it matters to many people. getting tenure means acknowledgement so that you can tell others that you leave not because you cannot get tenure.
【在 f*******7 的大作中提到】 : does this even matter? are you getting a tenured offer from the new school? : : teneure
f*7
8 楼
LZ没说新的学校不给tenure吧。
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【在 m*******e 的大作中提到】 : it matters to many people. getting tenure means acknowledgement so that you : can tell others that you leave not because you cannot get tenure.
That's not possible if the future school follows the AAU April 30 agreement on faculty hire. They may notify the current school by May 1 about the intent to hire.
跟你现在的学校谈让他们keep you on their book as an adjunct associate professor, 这样如果你在新学校明年tenure有问题(highly unlikely, especially if the new school also provides a sizable startup package), 你还有个退路回现在 的学校。这个叫做"golden parachute", 在faculty move的时候是很常见的,但是前提 是你和现在的系/学校关系不错他们有意愿要留你。
【在 f*******7 的大作中提到】 : 跟你现在的学校谈让他们keep you on their book as an adjunct associate : professor, 这样如果你在新学校明年tenure有问题(highly unlikely, especially if : the new school also provides a sizable startup package), 你还有个退路回现在 : 的学校。这个叫做"golden parachute", 在faculty move的时候是很常见的,但是前提 : 是你和现在的系/学校关系不错他们有意愿要留你。
【在 f*******7 的大作中提到】 : 跟你现在的学校谈让他们keep you on their book as an adjunct associate : professor, 这样如果你在新学校明年tenure有问题(highly unlikely, especially if : the new school also provides a sizable startup package), 你还有个退路回现在 : 的学校。这个叫做"golden parachute", 在faculty move的时候是很常见的,但是前提 : 是你和现在的系/学校关系不错他们有意愿要留你。
no it's not TT/tenured -> adjunct. it's between leaving the university of completely vs keeping an adjunct affiliation with the possibility of coming back.
【在 v*******y 的大作中提到】 : TT->adjunct : 这个没听过啊 : : if
没了,我不是说我们学校 我们学校也是属于基本不直接给tenure的 我说的是ivy league-》南部名校的情况 不过这个ivy league tenure9年,而且本身不给untenured associate 确实出来的能给full了
【在 L***s 的大作中提到】 : 你们是好学校的那一方把?
w*y
33 楼
他们说没有发生过的,Unteure from other lower rank university 直接给tenure upon arrival.
【在 f*******7 的大作中提到】 : 你能和要去的学校negotiate tenure么?
v*y
34 楼
这样看来,你这个并不是大家理解的tenured offer 你这个风险是大大的,你要考虑好好的
【在 w*******y 的大作中提到】 : 他们说没有发生过的,Unteure from other lower rank university 直接给tenure : upon arrival.
f*7
35 楼
how big is the difference in ranking (and location)? if it's substantially better at the new school, I would jump regardless of tenure
【在 w*******y 的大作中提到】 : 他们说没有发生过的,Unteure from other lower rank university 直接给tenure : upon arrival.
L*s
36 楼
我还是在我们这个烂学校混tenure吧。
【在 w*******y 的大作中提到】 : 他们说没有发生过的,Unteure from other lower rank university 直接给tenure : upon arrival.
w*y
37 楼
本专业排名 20-》10 整个School 50--》10
【在 f*******7 的大作中提到】 : how big is the difference in ranking (and location)? : if it's substantially better at the new school, I would jump regardless of : tenure
can you delay the signing of offer with the new school till May so you can wait for tenure decision at your current school?
【在 w*******y 的大作中提到】 : 他们说没有发生过的,Unteure from other lower rank university 直接给tenure : upon arrival.
f*7
46 楼
not all AAU schools follow the 430 agreement strictly. it was an old guideline created in the 1960s when it was a lot easier to find faculty jobs and a lot harder for universities to find replacements when a faculty member was recruited away. you can check the academic personnel manual at your potential new employer. if its never mentioned then maybe they don't care
【在 f*******7 的大作中提到】 : not all AAU schools follow the 430 agreement strictly. it was an old : guideline created in the 1960s when it was a lot easier to find faculty jobs : and a lot harder for universities to find replacements when a faculty : member was recruited away. : you can check the academic personnel manual at your potential new employer. : if its never mentioned then maybe they don't care
f*7
55 楼
I don't think that's right, see this: "The American Association of University (AAU) has an agreement that offers made after April 30th to faculty currently at an AAU institution can only be made with the permission of the other institution." http://womensplace.osu.edu/assets/files/FacultyRecruitmentTips.
【在 w*******y 的大作中提到】 : The new school told me it is April 15th... : : jobs : .
Very good point. I just thought an oral resignation may trigger some negative effect on the evaluation (e.g., Chair heard it and email it to dean ). Currently, my package is still on the desk of dean.
我们是州立学校,unpaid leave有几种,如果是 personal leave 学校在此期间不提供 任何benefits,其他跟公务有关的一般会保留,比如拿了外边的fellowship去俄罗斯呆 一年,期满后如果不回来需要把钱交还给学校。 我觉得你应该找个信得过的老教授谈一下,看看他/她有什么建议。我们系的那个AP提 出要走,在场的两个正教授马上就说不要辞职,先take leave,去那边看看情况再说, 所以我的感觉是这事儿至少在我们这里还挺正常的。 还有你看那些千人,国内拿着高薪当着院长,国外的职位很少有人完全辞掉,95%以上 都在take some form of leave。
this is great advice. I think if LZ is certain an offer is coming, this is the time you let your current dept know so you can start discussing possible arrangements. don't let them find out on their own after the fact or leave them a very short notice. for your own protection you want to have an open dialog and maintain a good relationship so you have the option of going back.
【在 a**********d 的大作中提到】 : 我们是州立学校,unpaid leave有几种,如果是 personal leave 学校在此期间不提供 : 任何benefits,其他跟公务有关的一般会保留,比如拿了外边的fellowship去俄罗斯呆 : 一年,期满后如果不回来需要把钱交还给学校。 : 我觉得你应该找个信得过的老教授谈一下,看看他/她有什么建议。我们系的那个AP提 : 出要走,在场的两个正教授马上就说不要辞职,先take leave,去那边看看情况再说, : 所以我的感觉是这事儿至少在我们这里还挺正常的。 : 还有你看那些千人,国内拿着高薪当着院长,国外的职位很少有人完全辞掉,95%以上 : 都在take some form of leave。
w*y
67 楼
Thanks a lot for your nice suggestions!
maintain
【在 f*******7 的大作中提到】 : this is great advice. : I think if LZ is certain an offer is coming, this is the time you let your : current dept know so you can start discussing possible arrangements. don't : let them find out on their own after the fact or leave them a very short : notice. for your own protection you want to have an open dialog and maintain : a good relationship so you have the option of going back.
a*r
68 楼
这个应该比较适用于人走后对教学不产生 major disruption 的情况, 否则学校需要尽快招人,就不会给leave of absence. 一般来说 一个系想特别留住一个人,会通过counteroffer, 如果给了counteroffer 这个人还选择走,除非这个系教学上还有后援力量,否则是不大可能 为了苦等某个人,不在乎一个宝贵的faculty line. 这个AP在走后一年又被招回来的经历还是挺诡异的 - 所谓好马 不吃回头草嘛。当时难道没有counteroffer?
【在 a**********d 的大作中提到】 : 我们是州立学校,unpaid leave有几种,如果是 personal leave 学校在此期间不提供 : 任何benefits,其他跟公务有关的一般会保留,比如拿了外边的fellowship去俄罗斯呆 : 一年,期满后如果不回来需要把钱交还给学校。 : 我觉得你应该找个信得过的老教授谈一下,看看他/她有什么建议。我们系的那个AP提 : 出要走,在场的两个正教授马上就说不要辞职,先take leave,去那边看看情况再说, : 所以我的感觉是这事儿至少在我们这里还挺正常的。 : 还有你看那些千人,国内拿着高薪当着院长,国外的职位很少有人完全辞掉,95%以上 : 都在take some form of leave。
【在 f*******7 的大作中提到】 : this is great advice. : I think if LZ is certain an offer is coming, this is the time you let your : current dept know so you can start discussing possible arrangements. don't : let them find out on their own after the fact or leave them a very short : notice. for your own protection you want to have an open dialog and maintain : a good relationship so you have the option of going back.