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fashion tips for ladies from men...# Fashion - 美丽时尚

s*t2011-04-26 07:04

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First, please, do not dress like little school girls. We really don't want
to be reminded of that annoying girl in the kindergarten. And, although
Lolita remains a fantasy for many men, the real alphas go for the real women.
Instead, start with shoes. If your shoes are hot, the rest can be crap, and
you are still hot. No, we are not talking about uggs. Uggs are, well, as
the name's origin, f' ugly (ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugg_boots)
Or if you have hot legs, we will take any shoe, or no shoe at all.

I*e2011-04-26 07:04

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原创还是？

want
women.
and
as

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: First, please, do not dress like little school girls. We really don't want
: to be reminded of that annoying girl in the kindergarten. And, although
: Lolita remains a fantasy for many men, the real alphas go for the real women.
: Instead, start with shoes. If your shoes are hot, the rest can be crap, and
: you are still hot. No, we are not talking about uggs. Uggs are, well, as
: the name's origin, f' ugly (ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugg_boots)
: Or if you have hot legs, we will take any shoe, or no shoe at all.

y*g2011-04-26 07:04

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老外的观点。。。不适用于中国男生
我就觉得学生服/学院风的女生不错，UGG也不错，当然腿细是前提

【在 I*****e 的大作中提到】

: 原创还是？
:
: want
: women.
: and
: as

M*a2011-04-26 07:04

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鞋是女人的命根子啊。。。。
不过撒兄你是来找拍的吧

s*t2011-04-26 07:04

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当然是原创。其实中国外国男人的基本审美观点都是一样的。哪里都有喜欢幼齿类型的
男人，根本原因是潜在的insecurity。
UGG这玩意就是高跟鞋的反义词，基本上把女人最能够激起男性征服欲和性遐想的地方全部掩盖了。最性感的小腿
，脚腕，曲线，全包在一堆软塌塌的人造毛里面。
想象一下，赫本、泰勒、Grace Kelly在世的时候，会穿UGG吗？

b*s2011-04-26 07:04

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怎么才写了个first？接着写啊！
我见过的大多数男人跟你想法一致，国男里有少量幼齿癖的，白男里几乎没有
不过，我还是喜欢冬天穿UGG，苏胡！

s*t2011-04-26 07:04

7 楼

这里好像对这个话题感兴趣的人不多啊。

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】

: 怎么才写了个first？接着写啊！
: 我见过的大多数男人跟你想法一致，国男里有少量幼齿癖的，白男里几乎没有
: 不过，我还是喜欢冬天穿UGG，苏胡！

y*s2011-04-26 07:04

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具体说说什么shoes男的普遍认为比较hot吧

want
women.
and
as

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: First, please, do not dress like little school girls. We really don't want
: to be reminded of that annoying girl in the kindergarten. And, although
: Lolita remains a fantasy for many men, the real alphas go for the real women.
: Instead, start with shoes. If your shoes are hot, the rest can be crap, and
: you are still hot. No, we are not talking about uggs. Uggs are, well, as
: the name's origin, f' ugly (ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugg_boots)
: Or if you have hot legs, we will take any shoe, or no shoe at all.

I*e2011-04-26 07:04

9 楼

LZ其实最想表达的意思是。不穿鞋最美

【在 y**s 的大作中提到】

: 具体说说什么shoes男的普遍认为比较hot吧
:
: want
: women.
: and
: as

y*s2011-04-26 07:04

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多脏呀,酷扌来给我们讲讲你今年买了多少双鞋了?
困死了

【在 I*****e 的大作中提到】

: LZ其实最想表达的意思是。不穿鞋最美

I*e2011-04-26 07:04

11 楼

按照calendar year还是fiscal year?

【在 y**s 的大作中提到】

: 多脏呀,酷扌来给我们讲讲你今年买了多少双鞋了?
: 困死了

y*s2011-04-26 07:04

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calendar吧

【在 I*****e 的大作中提到】

: 按照calendar year还是fiscal year?

S*y2011-04-26 07:04

13 楼

SAKS FF大潮我还没看到什么给力的日常高跟鞋

I*e2011-04-26 07:04

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因为CL不参加吧。

【在 S****y 的大作中提到】

: SAKS FF大潮我还没看到什么给力的日常高跟鞋

I*e2011-04-26 07:04

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太久了。。不记得了。可能十来双。不过对我个人的fiscal year来说。So far.
ZERO!!!　Big Cong

【在 y**s 的大作中提到】

: calendar吧

s*y2011-04-26 07:04

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不错啊，坐等下篇。。

want
women.
and
as

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: First, please, do not dress like little school girls. We really don't want
: to be reminded of that annoying girl in the kindergarten. And, although
: Lolita remains a fantasy for many men, the real alphas go for the real women.
: Instead, start with shoes. If your shoes are hot, the rest can be crap, and
: you are still hot. No, we are not talking about uggs. Uggs are, well, as
: the name's origin, f' ugly (ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugg_boots)
: Or if you have hot legs, we will take any shoe, or no shoe at all.

I*e2011-04-26 07:04

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want
women.
and
as
Amazing..first time I saw a pair of UGG, I read the brand as "UGLY" and I
thought....这做鞋的人真有自知之明...

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: First, please, do not dress like little school girls. We really don't want
: to be reminded of that annoying girl in the kindergarten. And, although
: Lolita remains a fantasy for many men, the real alphas go for the real women.
: Instead, start with shoes. If your shoes are hot, the rest can be crap, and
: you are still hot. No, we are not talking about uggs. Uggs are, well, as
: the name's origin, f' ugly (ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugg_boots)
: Or if you have hot legs, we will take any shoe, or no shoe at all.

y*s2011-04-26 07:04

18 楼

BIG CONG!!..我今年买包要买爆掉了5555

【在 I*****e 的大作中提到】

: 太久了。。不记得了。可能十来双。不过对我个人的fiscal year来说。So far.
: ZERO!!!　Big Cong

p*l2011-04-26 07:04

19 楼

we are holding our breath and waiting.

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: 这里好像对这个话题感兴趣的人不多啊。

S*y2011-04-26 07:04

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舒服和好看真是无法兼得~~~

【在 I*****e 的大作中提到】

: 太久了。。不记得了。可能十来双。不过对我个人的fiscal year来说。So far.
: ZERO!!!　Big Cong

s*t2011-04-26 07:04

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Rule of thumb: high heel rules. I know, they are uncomfortable. But if you
want to grab guys attention, always wear heels. They accentuate a woman's
curve, and instigate sexual imagination in a guy's mind.
When it comes to high heels, simplicity is always better, because they help
focus a guy's attention on your legs and feet, not the shoes themselves.
They compliment your figure, instead of complicating it (and us guys do not
like complication when it comes to women).
And, please, don't stand pointing toes inward a-la-little-shy-school-girl
style. We prefer straight legs, thank you.
These are some hot examples:

【在 y**s 的大作中提到】

: 具体说说什么shoes男的普遍认为比较hot吧
:
: want
: women.
: and
: as

s*t2011-04-26 07:04

22 楼

These are examples of shoes women love to buy/wear, and us guys really don't
care much for, but always tell you that they look cute on you:
One word about ballet flats -- we really think they look like bathroom shoes
. And please don't wear them with sloppy skinny jeans -- it's a dreadful
look. They make your legs look fat, short, and crooked.

s*t2011-04-26 07:04

23 楼

And these, are simply wrong:

b*t2011-04-26 07:04

24 楼

I guess if having a hot body, they will take any clothes or no clothes at
all.

z*u2011-04-26 07:04

25 楼

平底鞋舒服啊
出去旅行，无论是逛一整天大街，还是出去步行，都得穿平底的
否则坚持一天很难
还有夏天穿夹角拖鞋呢。呵呵。

't
shoes

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: These are examples of shoes women love to buy/wear, and us guys really don't
: care much for, but always tell you that they look cute on you:
: One word about ballet flats -- we really think they look like bathroom shoes
: . And please don't wear them with sloppy skinny jeans -- it's a dreadful
: look. They make your legs look fat, short, and crooked.

z*u2011-04-26 07:04

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很讨厌尖头皮鞋
尤其你这个第一张照片里面的尖头鞋，非常丑，显得脚巨胖

want
women.
and
as

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: First, please, do not dress like little school girls. We really don't want
: to be reminded of that annoying girl in the kindergarten. And, although
: Lolita remains a fantasy for many men, the real alphas go for the real women.
: Instead, start with shoes. If your shoes are hot, the rest can be crap, and
: you are still hot. No, we are not talking about uggs. Uggs are, well, as
: the name's origin, f' ugly (ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugg_boots)
: Or if you have hot legs, we will take any shoe, or no shoe at all.

s*t2011-04-26 07:04

27 楼

Not true. Poor taste in clothes is actually a huge turn off for us guys.
We just don't tell you.

【在 b********t 的大作中提到】

: I guess if having a hot body, they will take any clothes or no clothes at
: all.

s*t2011-04-26 07:04

28 楼

I'm talking about what men think. Try ask any guy if they like the shoes in
the first pic.

【在 z****u 的大作中提到】

: 很讨厌尖头皮鞋
: 尤其你这个第一张照片里面的尖头鞋，非常丑，显得脚巨胖
:
: want
: women.
: and
: as

M*a2011-04-26 07:04

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高跟鞋不可否认让女人更性感但是对女人脚似乎也有很大的伤害吧?? (不确定).
女人的的审美长长是由男人的审美所决定的,在退回n年前要是有bbs的话估计各位美
女会讨论怎么裹脚能让脚更美吧..........多多少少有点悲哀.

n*o2011-04-26 07:04

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完了……我最爱的平底……
不过楼主写得不错，继续继续！！

s*t2011-04-26 07:04

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这个，是自然规律吧。女人一般都是不会对Mr Nice Guy有兴趣的。

【在 M****a 的大作中提到】

: 高跟鞋不可否认让女人更性感但是对女人脚似乎也有很大的伤害吧?? (不确定).
: 女人的的审美长长是由男人的审美所决定的,在退回n年前要是有bbs的话估计各位美
: 女会讨论怎么裹脚能让脚更美吧..........多多少少有点悲哀.

z*u2011-04-26 07:04

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很多男人也讨厌尖头鞋

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: 这个，是自然规律吧。女人一般都是不会对Mr Nice Guy有兴趣的。

z*u2011-04-26 07:04

33 楼

这双黄色的鞋子，如果配的休闲点，也蛮好看的。
绑带子的鞋子还行

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: And these, are simply wrong:

s*t2011-04-26 07:04

34 楼

Not if it's done right.

【在 z****u 的大作中提到】

: 很多男人也讨厌尖头鞋

s*t2011-04-26 07:04

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h*32011-04-26 07:04

36 楼

非常同意你的观点。我自己买鞋子就是只买高跟鞋，7cm以下的不要。
款式颜色就是简单纯色的pump。没有任何修饰。
牌子一般就是欧洲最经典的那几个designer，穿着舒服，走路时间长也不会太累太疼，
这样整个人才能始终保持优雅。

you
s
help
not

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

p*l2011-04-26 07:04

37 楼

我从男人那里得到的feedback是
他们喜欢尖头的细高跟的样式简单的鞋
讨厌平跟坡跟大粗跟
ms对有细细的绑带的尖头细高跟鞋也很喜欢, strappy, 比较SM

I*e2011-04-26 07:04

38 楼

汗一个。。。。。。。你贴的这些鞋我个人的审美，觉得只有第一双还不错。别的，
恕我欣赏无能。
我觉得如果是原创，你可以加上一个。fashion tips for ladies from one of men
in the world!

you
s
help
not

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

n*o2011-04-26 07:04

39 楼

………………真难满足……

【在 p*********l 的大作中提到】

: 我从男人那里得到的feedback是
: 他们喜欢尖头的细高跟的样式简单的鞋
: 讨厌平跟坡跟大粗跟
: ms对有细细的绑带的尖头细高跟鞋也很喜欢, strappy, 比较SM

X*n2011-04-26 07:04

40 楼

说得八错！原来我得品味很man。。

s*m2011-04-26 07:04

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代我家男人re一个。
他对鞋的意见跟你说得没有什么出入，而我的兴趣也跟你批评的那些没有太多出入。所
以呢，家里就是一个壁橱来放鞋都不够放-----蝴蝶结的小平底出门穿，简洁热辣的高
跟鞋卧室里穿------当鞋是情趣用品的时候，无论多高多么非designer其实也不是那么
不舒服哈～

you
s
help
not

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

y*s2011-04-26 07:04

42 楼

我个人的感觉是,尖头,细高根,水台即使有也一定要是内包的.看你最后一段,是不是说
得mary janes?
另外如果鞋跟包得不好,那对我个人来说是个big turn off.当然男的可能不会看那么细
peeptoes男的会觉得性感吗?

you
s
help
not

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

s*t2011-04-26 07:04

43 楼

ballet flats are not the same as mary janes. ballet flats are made of
fabric and are shapeless.
peeptoes are very sexy, if it has the right shape and is worn with
impeccable pedicure and the right color.
for example, black peeptoes with bright red or black nails, or tan peeptoes
with black/dark blue nails, are very sexy in a powerful way. high contrast
without doofus colors (bright yellow, green, washed out blue, etc.) is
always good.
Good:
This is borderline but she managed to pull it off:

This one has a vintage beatnik feel, and should be very nice if worn with
tight fitting black capri pants. even better, pair it with a short hair cut
and a white cotton shirt knotted at the bottom. that'll give you a Audrey
Hepburn Sabrina look:
Now, the bad ones:

【在 y**s 的大作中提到】

: 我个人的感觉是,尖头,细高根,水台即使有也一定要是内包的.看你最后一段,是不是说
: 得mary janes?
: 另外如果鞋跟包得不好,那对我个人来说是个big turn off.当然男的可能不会看那么细
: peeptoes男的会觉得性感吗?
:
: you
: s
: help
: not

y*s2011-04-26 07:04

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哦,我说得mary janes是你倒数第二段.呵呵.ballet flats不是只有布料的阿
closed vs. peeptoes我还是选closed. peep太明骚了..

peeptoes
contrast

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

:
: ballet flats are not the same as mary janes. ballet flats are made of
: fabric and are shapeless.
: peeptoes are very sexy, if it has the right shape and is worn with
: impeccable pedicure and the right color.
: for example, black peeptoes with bright red or black nails, or tan peeptoes
: with black/dark blue nails, are very sexy in a powerful way. high contrast
: without doofus colors (bright yellow, green, washed out blue, etc.) is
: always good.
: Good:

s*t2011-04-26 07:04

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有本钱明骚为什么要闷骚呢？明骚男人最喜欢，女人恨得牙根痒痒　：）

【在 y**s 的大作中提到】

: 哦,我说得mary janes是你倒数第二段.呵呵.ballet flats不是只有布料的阿
: closed vs. peeptoes我还是选closed. peep太明骚了..
:
: peeptoes
: contrast

f*y2011-04-26 07:04

46 楼

还好人穿鞋不都是给别人看的
还好女人穿鞋不都是给男人看的

s*z2011-04-26 07:04

47 楼

go on
.

m*02011-04-26 07:04

48 楼

lz是足控阿
推荐冯骥才的三寸金莲
你肯定会看得很开心

I*e2011-04-26 07:04

49 楼

FT. Ballet Flats are made of Fabric ????? There are ton of leather ballet
flats out everywhere.
Honestly, based on what you say and what kind of shoes pics you paste here
, I have to say, you .......

peeptoes
contrast

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: 有本钱明骚为什么要闷骚呢？明骚男人最喜欢，女人恨得牙根痒痒　：）

c*72011-04-26 07:04

50 楼

mark一下回头看

y*g2011-04-26 07:04

51 楼

hehe 一面之词。
UGG可以很好的衬托出东亚mm的小细腿。老外腿粗，穿ugg反而没有东亚女孩好看。
马丁靴也是这个道理。小细腿的mm穿马丁靴也很好看。UGG的流行自有它的道理，当然高跟鞋也有我喜欢的类型。
不过无所谓，在这个问题上我一般不会和男人讨论。最好大家品位不同，我们凑在一起
去KTV，酒吧混的最多的几个LY都有不同喜好，这样选MM时都没冲突，哈哈，大家心照
不宣，为什么交情没那么深，但每次打电话就互相约的就这几个人。

方全部掩盖了。最性感的小腿

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: 当然是原创。其实中国外国男人的基本审美观点都是一样的。哪里都有喜欢幼齿类型的
: 男人，根本原因是潜在的insecurity。
: UGG这玩意就是高跟鞋的反义词，基本上把女人最能够激起男性征服欲和性遐想的地方全部掩盖了。最性感的小腿
: ，脚腕，曲线，全包在一堆软塌塌的人造毛里面。
: 想象一下，赫本、泰勒、Grace Kelly在世的时候，会穿UGG吗？

c*a2011-04-26 07:04

52 楼

lz写得挺好的，跟我所知道的男人观点很符合
我们也知道高跟鞋可以修饰比例又性感啊
只是女人们也有需要为了舒适而放弃性感的时候
比如上下班开车，高跟鞋不方便
冬天冰雪路滑，高跟鞋不安全
逛街时间长，高跟鞋不舒服
出门游玩，高跟鞋不实用
去掉上班，逛街，出门游玩的时间，（就没剩下多少了）我们愿意穿十厘米细高跟的鞋。
或者，如果我男人愿意让我出门有司机，逛街有助理，逛园子有人抬，我双脚不用以60
度角承受整个体重超过30分钟，我也愿意一天24小时穿十厘米细高根的鞋

c*a2011-04-26 07:04

53 楼

还有，要女生穿了高跟鞋身高超过一米八，你们男人会不会不爽？

y*g2011-04-26 07:04

54 楼

哈哈，低于180的肯定觉得不爽，180的男人穿个带跟的皮鞋还会觉得有点郁闷，185的
可能表示压力不大。

【在 c*****a 的大作中提到】

: 还有，要女生穿了高跟鞋身高超过一米八，你们男人会不会不爽？

y*62011-04-26 07:04

55 楼

3年前我出门从来都是高跟鞋，那是穿高跟一走就是一天，现在穿一次高跟鞋跟要了我
命似的

c*o2011-04-26 07:04

56 楼

基本上就是黑色高跟鞋么……

c*a2011-04-26 07:04

57 楼

就是的，那干吗抨击我们赖以为生的平底鞋....

s*d2011-04-26 07:04

58 楼

我以为是给变性来的ladies穿鞋的tips呢，汗。。。

M*a2011-04-26 07:04

59 楼

这第一帖里面的图片都是sartorialist里的啊，转图片要注明出处。去这个网站的男人
有不是gay
的吗？虽然比较赞同你的观点。

want
although
women.
crap, and
well, as
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugg_boots)
new.typhon.net/photos/22611Marina_1088Web1.jpg

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: First, please, do not dress like little school girls. We really don't want
: to be reminded of that annoying girl in the kindergarten. And, although
: Lolita remains a fantasy for many men, the real alphas go for the real women.
: Instead, start with shoes. If your shoes are hot, the rest can be crap, and
: you are still hot. No, we are not talking about uggs. Uggs are, well, as
: the name's origin, f' ugly (ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugg_boots)
: Or if you have hot legs, we will take any shoe, or no shoe at all.

c*n2011-04-26 07:04

60 楼

同学, 说的很对, 握手.
多少年前, 一表姐说. 跟要高, 头要尖, 然后才是舒服. 各位参考一下.

want
although
women.
crap, and
well, as
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugg_boots)
new.typhon.net/photos/22611Marina_1088Web1.jpg

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: First, please, do not dress like little school girls. We really don't want
: to be reminded of that annoying girl in the kindergarten. And, although
: Lolita remains a fantasy for many men, the real alphas go for the real women.
: Instead, start with shoes. If your shoes are hot, the rest can be crap, and
: you are still hot. No, we are not talking about uggs. Uggs are, well, as
: the name's origin, f' ugly (ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugg_boots)
: Or if you have hot legs, we will take any shoe, or no shoe at all.

R*i2011-04-26 07:04

61 楼

我怎么觉得男人根本对shoe无感觉。。。

y*g2011-04-26 07:04

62 楼

我是支持平底鞋，UGG，帆布鞋，小靴子一类的啊，我没有抨击这些。
平时穿衣风格总要变化，不可能一直穿高跟鞋。
女人打扮要会变换风格，总有要扮清纯，扮可爱，扮休闲，扮叛逆的时候，像LZ说的那
样穿，一个女人整天穿着高跟鞋扮御姐，熟女，OL女强人状不腻味嘛？LG/BF也会审美
疲劳。
前面不是有人鉴定过么，只热衷于尖头高跟鞋的可能有恋足癖。

【在 c*****a 的大作中提到】

: 就是的，那干吗抨击我们赖以为生的平底鞋....

X*u2011-04-26 07:04

63 楼

那个jms跳出来也对男生品头论足一下~~？？

y*g2011-04-26 07:04

64 楼

我嚼得你们不是整天都对男生品头论足嘛？还需要专门跳出来一下？哈哈

【在 X*****u 的大作中提到】

: 那个jms跳出来也对男生品头论足一下~~？？

c*n2011-04-26 07:04

65 楼

哈哈，你能报出几个女的shoe designer?

【在 R**i 的大作中提到】

: 我怎么觉得男人根本对shoe无感觉。。。

b*i2011-04-26 07:04

66 楼

饿，lz恋足癖？

s*t2011-04-26 07:04

67 楼

低于1米8 的，肯定有人不爽，但是肯定也有爽的。
Tom Cruise，萨科奇，Charlie Sheen, 肯定爽。
如果为了那些不爽的男人，就不穿高跟，那就亏大了。

【在 c*****a 的大作中提到】

: 还有，要女生穿了高跟鞋身高超过一米八，你们男人会不会不爽？

s*t2011-04-26 07:04

68 楼

我觉得清纯、可爱、休闲、叛逆这些如果需要“扮”出来，就没什么意思了。
御姐，熟女，OL女强人也不是穿穿高跟鞋就能扮出来的。
咱就事论事，气质修养这些不说，单说穿着打扮。

【在 y****g 的大作中提到】

:
: 我嚼得你们不是整天都对男生品头论足嘛？还需要专门跳出来一下？哈哈

y*g2011-04-26 07:04

69 楼

不能这么说，人都有多面的，能扮就不错了，总比千篇一律的要有情调。
越会扮的女孩越有趣，不解释，哈哈

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: 我觉得清纯、可爱、休闲、叛逆这些如果需要“扮”出来，就没什么意思了。
: 御姐，熟女，OL女强人也不是穿穿高跟鞋就能扮出来的。
: 咱就事论事，气质修养这些不说，单说穿着打扮。

s*t2011-04-26 07:04

70 楼

呵呵，会扮的不多啊，可遇不可求。

【在 y****g 的大作中提到】

:
: 不能这么说，人都有多面的，能扮就不错了，总比千篇一律的要有情调。
: 越会扮的女孩越有趣，不解释，哈哈

y*g2011-04-26 07:04

71 楼

她不会扮你要教她啊，如果你自己心中只有一套喜好的装扮，怎么引导别人扮嘛

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: 呵呵，会扮的不多啊，可遇不可求。

s*t2011-04-26 07:04

72 楼

Too much work...
Of course there is more than one look that can turn me on.

【在 y****g 的大作中提到】

:
: 她不会扮你要教她啊，如果你自己心中只有一套喜好的装扮，怎么引导别人扮嘛

b*s2011-04-26 07:04

73 楼

我觉得风格换来换去很好玩
BTW 我一直以为你彩虹啊，对不起，对不起。。。
你对现在的流行鞋子有啥看法？
比如女人穿oxford，bootie
现在还有那种很厚底的拖鞋，高跟或坡跟的sneakers
您有何高见？
http://www.shopbop.com/laceup-rubber-wedge-bootie-110mm/vp/v=1/

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: Too much work...
: Of course there is more than one look that can turn me on.

T*h2011-04-26 07:04

74 楼

才知道为什么我不喜欢小女生,原来是ALPHA部分导致.

want
women.
and
as

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: First, please, do not dress like little school girls. We really don't want
: to be reminded of that annoying girl in the kindergarten. And, although
: Lolita remains a fantasy for many men, the real alphas go for the real women.
: Instead, start with shoes. If your shoes are hot, the rest can be crap, and
: you are still hot. No, we are not talking about uggs. Uggs are, well, as
: the name's origin, f' ugly (ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugg_boots)
: Or if you have hot legs, we will take any shoe, or no shoe at all.

b*s2011-04-26 07:04

75 楼

哇，快奔！我最喜欢alpha male！

【在 T**********h 的大作中提到】

: 才知道为什么我不喜欢小女生,原来是ALPHA部分导致.
:
: want
: women.
: and
: as

T*h2011-04-26 07:04

76 楼

不用奔了.想象一下真理长什么样,我就长什么样.

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】

: 哇，快奔！我最喜欢alpha male！

I*e2011-04-26 07:04

77 楼

Boston Celtics Paul Pierce又名真理

【在 T**********h 的大作中提到】

: 不用奔了.想象一下真理长什么样,我就长什么样.

T*h2011-04-26 07:04

78 楼

........
那我比他还是虚假一点点.

【在 I*****e 的大作中提到】

: Boston Celtics Paul Pierce又名真理

X*n2011-04-26 07:04

79 楼

lol!

【在 T**********h 的大作中提到】

: ........
: 那我比他还是虚假一点点.

I*e2011-04-26 07:04

80 楼

这个paul真理不如你真理。我个人的感觉

【在 T**********h 的大作中提到】

: ........
: 那我比他还是虚假一点点.

b*s2011-04-26 07:04

81 楼

haha!

【在 T**********h 的大作中提到】

: ........
: 那我比他还是虚假一点点.

T*h2011-04-26 07:04

82 楼

难怪我吵架都会赢.

【在 I*****e 的大作中提到】

: 这个paul真理不如你真理。我个人的感觉

K*y2011-04-26 07:04

83 楼

学习了

T*h2011-04-26 07:04

84 楼

带一个比自己高的女的出去多有派啊!感觉自己跟黑社会老大一样.

【在 y****g 的大作中提到】

:
: 她不会扮你要教她啊，如果你自己心中只有一套喜好的装扮，怎么引导别人扮嘛

y*g2011-04-26 07:04

85 楼

你又没人黑老大那气质，你就是带个1米9的也白搭，呵呵

【在 T**********h 的大作中提到】

: 带一个比自己高的女的出去多有派啊!感觉自己跟黑社会老大一样.

X*n2011-04-26 07:04

86 楼

是不是感觉自己特象曾志伟

【在 T**********h 的大作中提到】

: 带一个比自己高的女的出去多有派啊!感觉自己跟黑社会老大一样.

c*y2011-04-26 07:04

87 楼

全包在一堆软塌塌的人造毛里面
lz知道得太有限了，连ugg为毛流行都不知道，tm好穿啊，tm保暖啊，tm真羊毛全方位
包裹脚啊，
你说的有些反例是也有道理的，但是女的要是穿ugg就不在意脚能不能吸引男的，就好
像看见穿非夹脚拖鞋的男的，丫肯定不是去约会的，估计就是下楼买泡面的

T*h2011-04-26 07:04

88 楼

我特想去纹个米老鼠.

【在 X*********n 的大作中提到】

: 是不是感觉自己特象曾志伟

T*h2011-04-26 07:04

89 楼

不懂了吧,黑老大都特低调.带着美女街上晃的都是黑老二.
咱追求没那么高,老二就行了.

【在 y****g 的大作中提到】

:
: 你又没人黑老大那气质，你就是带个1米9的也白搭，呵呵

y*g2011-04-26 07:04

90 楼

那回国入党吧，可能还有点希望

【在 T**********h 的大作中提到】

: 不懂了吧,黑老大都特低调.带着美女街上晃的都是黑老二.
: 咱追求没那么高,老二就行了.

T*h2011-04-26 07:04

91 楼

你怎么知道我不是党员?

【在 y****g 的大作中提到】

:
: 那回国入党吧，可能还有点希望

v*o2011-04-26 07:04

92 楼

proud owner of the first pair of shoes agrees w/ ur last paragraph

you
woman's
help
not
girl

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: Too much work...
: Of course there is more than one look that can turn me on.

v*o2011-04-26 07:04

93 楼

同意为男人dress up是很悲哀很原始的，穿着第一要舒服整洁第二要自己觉得好看，总
是紧张男人的看
法是不是太累了？而且fashion和seduction是不同的概念，男人也许懂seduction但是
不懂
fashion，就算要参考男人的意见那也要问gay men，顶级设计师有几个不是gay men的？
再说简洁也不是万金油，op提到的顶级美女赫本泰勒身上的outfit不是普通女人可以
pull off的，身
材完美当然希望简洁的look可以让男人concentrate on perfect figure，你要是自认
你的腿不
完美就需要穿有装饰的鞋，让人家少注意你的缺点，因为这时你要人家专注你的身材就
是自曝你的缺点

【在 M****a 的大作中提到】

: 高跟鞋不可否认让女人更性感但是对女人脚似乎也有很大的伤害吧?? (不确定).
: 女人的的审美长长是由男人的审美所决定的,在退回n年前要是有bbs的话估计各位美
: 女会讨论怎么裹脚能让脚更美吧..........多多少少有点悲哀.

y*g2011-04-26 07:04

94 楼

原来已经是黑社会啦，那努力往老二的位置混啊

【在 T**********h 的大作中提到】

: 你怎么知道我不是党员?

y*g2011-04-26 07:04

95 楼

原来已经是黑社会啦，那努力往老二的位置混啊

【在 T**********h 的大作中提到】

: 你怎么知道我不是党员?

y*g2011-04-26 07:04

96 楼

原来已经是黑社会啦，那努力往老二的位置混啊

【在 T**********h 的大作中提到】

: 你怎么知道我不是党员?

s*t2011-04-26 07:04

97 楼

The reason why gay men are good designers for women's fashion, is because
they understand better the need of other men.
In fact, that's pretty much what they think about all the time. They are
tireless in seeking new ways to attract men.

的？

【在 v*******o 的大作中提到】

: 同意为男人dress up是很悲哀很原始的，穿着第一要舒服整洁第二要自己觉得好看，总
: 是紧张男人的看
: 法是不是太累了？而且fashion和seduction是不同的概念，男人也许懂seduction但是
: 不懂
: fashion，就算要参考男人的意见那也要问gay men，顶级设计师有几个不是gay men的？
: 再说简洁也不是万金油，op提到的顶级美女赫本泰勒身上的outfit不是普通女人可以
: pull off的，身
: 材完美当然希望简洁的look可以让男人concentrate on perfect figure，你要是自认
: 你的腿不
: 完美就需要穿有装饰的鞋，让人家少注意你的缺点，因为这时你要人家专注你的身材就

v*o2011-04-26 07:04

98 楼

do you mean gay men understand better the need of other straight men or
other gay men?
if other straight men, then why there're few straight men fashion
designers since fashion is based on straight men's point of view according
to sb
if other gay men, that's totally off cuz women don't care how to attract
gay men

because
are

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: The reason why gay men are good designers for women's fashion, is because
: they understand better the need of other men.
: In fact, that's pretty much what they think about all the time. They are
: tireless in seeking new ways to attract men.
:
: 的？

y*g2011-04-26 07:04

99 楼

其实只是gay花在打扮和思考怎么打扮上的时间多，兴趣也在这上面，愿意入这个行当
，所以成功
的就比较多。

【在 v*******o 的大作中提到】

: do you mean gay men understand better the need of other straight men or
: other gay men?
: if other straight men, then why there're few straight men fashion
: designers since fashion is based on straight men's point of view according
: to sb
: if other gay men, that's totally off cuz women don't care how to attract
: gay men
:
: because
: are

s*t2011-04-26 07:04

100 楼

Gay men, straight men, they are both men. Straight men don't go into the
fashion business because there are better ways to make money than figuring
out how to sell clothes to women to attract other men.

【在 v*******o 的大作中提到】

: do you mean gay men understand better the need of other straight men or
: other gay men?
: if other straight men, then why there're few straight men fashion
: designers since fashion is based on straight men's point of view according
: to sb
: if other gay men, that's totally off cuz women don't care how to attract
: gay men
:
: because
: are

T*h2011-04-26 07:04

101 楼

这句话正好说反了吧。

【在 v*******o 的大作中提到】

: do you mean gay men understand better the need of other straight men or
: other gay men?
: if other straight men, then why there're few straight men fashion
: designers since fashion is based on straight men's point of view according
: to sb
: if other gay men, that's totally off cuz women don't care how to attract
: gay men
:
: because
: are

v*o2011-04-26 07:04

102 楼

这些对啊，还有一般认为gays are more talented in fashion，所以说要参考gay的意
见而不
是straight men

【在 y****g 的大作中提到】

:
: 其实只是gay花在打扮和思考怎么打扮上的时间多，兴趣也在这上面，愿意入这个行当
: ，所以成功
: 的就比较多。

T*h2011-04-26 07:04

103 楼

U reminded me a book I came across years ago. It was a Gay man's guide to
give head. The first page says: who
knows better about giving head, A gay man or a woman? The answer is obvious,
and the reason is obvious.
He,he......

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: The reason why gay men are good designers for women's fashion, is because
: they understand better the need of other men.
: In fact, that's pretty much what they think about all the time. They are
: tireless in seeking new ways to attract men.
:
: 的？

T*h2011-04-26 07:04

104 楼

Gay men Is also men, they don't have a different gene pool. Men are better
designers, although gay men tend to
occupy a higher percentage in fashion industry, because other than fashion,
interior design, and hair dressing,
historically they don't have much choices for their career without having to
face discrimination.

【在 v*******o 的大作中提到】

: 这些对啊，还有一般认为gays are more talented in fashion，所以说要参考gay的意
: 见而不
: 是straight men

v*o2011-04-26 07:04

105 楼

are you telling me that both gay men and straight men are attracted to the
same kinds? doubt it
啥叫better ways to make money?要是zuckerber or ellison这么讲还有道理，其他大
多数
工薪阶层直男要是有机会做比jacobs or mcqueen更大的设计师不会因为觉得自己的
ways to make
moeny更好而不take吧
现代直男早就不介意做传统由女性dominant的工作了，医院里的直男护士不要太流行，
但是fashion
designer就我的观察还是女性和gay men dominant的职业

the
figuring

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: Gay men, straight men, they are both men. Straight men don't go into the
: fashion business because there are better ways to make money than figuring
: out how to sell clothes to women to attract other men.

v*o2011-04-26 07:04

106 楼

historically gay men were in closets, where would the discrimination come
from when they tried to behave as straight as possible?

better
fashion,
having to

【在 T**********h 的大作中提到】

: Gay men Is also men, they don't have a different gene pool. Men are better
: designers, although gay men tend to
: occupy a higher percentage in fashion industry, because other than fashion,
: interior design, and hair dressing,
: historically they don't have much choices for their career without having to
: face discrimination.

s*t2011-04-26 07:04

107 楼

I think you are talking about this book:
I used to give them out as birthday gift.

obvious,

【在 T**********h 的大作中提到】

: U reminded me a book I came across years ago. It was a Gay man's guide to
: give head. The first page says: who
: knows better about giving head, A gay man or a woman? The answer is obvious,
: and the reason is obvious.
: He,he......

y*g2011-04-26 07:04

108 楼

这也不对，因为能成为jacobs或者mcqueen的几率很小，大部分gay男因为兴趣爱好还在
卖衣服卖
化妆品，而在这方面的兴趣少点的直男有空去学学写代码或者搞搞科研，陪客户混混场子
卖点服务
器或者包个工程啥的，虽然不能成为行业top几，但是挣点不错的收入还是很容易的。

【在 v*******o 的大作中提到】

: are you telling me that both gay men and straight men are attracted to the
: same kinds? doubt it
: 啥叫better ways to make money?要是zuckerber or ellison这么讲还有道理，其他大
: 多数
: 工薪阶层直男要是有机会做比jacobs or mcqueen更大的设计师不会因为觉得自己的
: ways to make
: moeny更好而不take吧
: 现代直男早就不介意做传统由女性dominant的工作了，医院里的直男护士不要太流行，
: 但是fashion
: designer就我的观察还是女性和gay men dominant的职业

v*o2011-04-26 07:04

109 楼

这个几率问题我当然知道，但是举这两个extreme例子是为了效果，op认为fashion is
about
straight men's sexual desire/fantasy，如果正确的话那么直男做fashion有天时地
利人和
的优势，数量又是gay的十倍，应该出更多top designer才对，于是op说直男有更好的
出路，那这就
是相对而言了，大众白领直男如果这么有优势可以做比女人和gay更top的designer的话
不会因为这是
女人的事业而不take，特别是fashion可是肥肉一块啊，没有理由不挤进来分一杯羹的

场子
。

【在 y****g 的大作中提到】

:
: 这也不对，因为能成为jacobs或者mcqueen的几率很小，大部分gay男因为兴趣爱好还在
: 卖衣服卖
: 化妆品，而在这方面的兴趣少点的直男有空去学学写代码或者搞搞科研，陪客户混混场子
: 卖点服务
: 器或者包个工程啥的，虽然不能成为行业top几，但是挣点不错的收入还是很容易的。

s*t2011-04-26 07:04

110 楼

Here is at least one politically incorrect reason that we don't tell you:
As much as us straight guys love women, we actually are afraid of working
with you. We can't deal with all the emotion and estrogen at the work place.
On the contrary, while gay men have a tough time working in a straight, male
-dominant environment, they love working with women. They actually enjoy
being emotional and PMSy, it's part of their identity.
Since the fashion industry's main customer base is women and the main
selling point is to attract guys, naturally it's a perfect fit for gay men.
Freakonomics 101, baby :)
Now, how did we end up talking about gay designers? What was your original
point again?

is

【在 v*******o 的大作中提到】

: 这个几率问题我当然知道，但是举这两个extreme例子是为了效果，op认为fashion is
: about
: straight men's sexual desire/fantasy，如果正确的话那么直男做fashion有天时地
: 利人和
: 的优势，数量又是gay的十倍，应该出更多top designer才对，于是op说直男有更好的
: 出路，那这就
: 是相对而言了，大众白领直男如果这么有优势可以做比女人和gay更top的designer的话
: 不会因为这是
: 女人的事业而不take，特别是fashion可是肥肉一块啊，没有理由不挤进来分一杯羹的
:

v*o2011-04-26 07:04

111 楼

this does make some sense but not enough to refute my point, we know as
a fact that gay men like to join the navy which is a straight male
dominant environment
my point is you may know about seduction and how to attract straight
guys, but gay guys and women know better about fashion

you:
working
place.
straight, male
enjoy
men.
original

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: Here is at least one politically incorrect reason that we don't tell you:
: As much as us straight guys love women, we actually are afraid of working
: with you. We can't deal with all the emotion and estrogen at the work place.
: On the contrary, while gay men have a tough time working in a straight, male
: -dominant environment, they love working with women. They actually enjoy
: being emotional and PMSy, it's part of their identity.
: Since the fashion industry's main customer base is women and the main
: selling point is to attract guys, naturally it's a perfect fit for gay men.
: Freakonomics 101, baby :)
: Now, how did we end up talking about gay designers? What was your original

T*h2011-04-26 07:04

112 楼

If you can compose a symphony, you wouldn't put too much time on a serenade.
If you can do architectural, you won't go for interior design.
From a guy working in a design industry, I am telling you that straight men
and gay men makes absolutely no difference in terms of sensitivity to form,
color, and style, in terms of being agressive and flamboyant in design.
Society largely decides what you can do, and what you will do. Boys are not
supposed to cry at a needle, coz the society gives them pressure. Straight
men sometimes subconsciously avoid anything related to femininity. Thus
there's a void created for the telants of gay community to aggregate.
This is all because of the social economics, not because gay men design
better. In fact, they don't.

【在 v*******o 的大作中提到】

: are you telling me that both gay men and straight men are attracted to the
: same kinds? doubt it
: 啥叫better ways to make money?要是zuckerber or ellison这么讲还有道理，其他大
: 多数
: 工薪阶层直男要是有机会做比jacobs or mcqueen更大的设计师不会因为觉得自己的
: ways to make
: moeny更好而不take吧
: 现代直男早就不介意做传统由女性dominant的工作了，医院里的直男护士不要太流行，
: 但是fashion
: designer就我的观察还是女性和gay men dominant的职业

y*e2011-04-26 07:04

113 楼

Grammar Tips from a Woman:
In title case, definite article "a" or "the" is not capitalized.

T*h2011-04-26 07:04

114 楼

Similar to your observation, gender started to merge, and straight guys
start to loose up on hidding their feminine side. And the word "metrosexual"
came into picture.
For the same reason, you see more and more straight guys like 楼主 to put
interest in fashion.
With time, gay men will lose their ground in the fashion industry when alpha
males are no longer afraid of being associated with femininity.

【在 v*******o 的大作中提到】

: this does make some sense but not enough to refute my point, we know as
: a fact that gay men like to join the navy which is a straight male
: dominant environment
: my point is you may know about seduction and how to attract straight
: guys, but gay guys and women know better about fashion
:
: you:
: working
: place.
: straight, male

T*h2011-04-26 07:04

115 楼

obviously we don't share the same history, he, he.

【在 v*******o 的大作中提到】

: historically gay men were in closets, where would the discrimination come
: from when they tried to behave as straight as possible?
:
: better
: fashion,
: having to

h*32011-04-26 07:04

116 楼

说到sensitivity。我觉得gay men还是要比straight men要强一些，而且在fashion上
更creative一些。
举个例子说，非fashion业的直男能说出"这个衣服显出腰臀曲线了，好看”或者“那条
裙子没有露出性感的脖子和锁骨，不好看”这种评价。但是对于“我这件上衣配个什么
样的accessory才能从平庸变为与众不同？”他们就没有概念了。
相反，gay men,即使是工作环境和性质与fashion毫无关系的nerdy gay men，也可以给
出很多建设性的意见，比如“you should tuck your black ruffle shirt into your
jeans and wear a brown belt to bring out the contract."
而且我同意楼上某人的意见，gay men are men。所以他们可以从男性的角度来看女性
的打扮是否attractive，同时又能以超出straight men的敏感度给出非常具体敏锐的建
设性意见。

serenade.
men
,
not

【在 T**********h 的大作中提到】

: If you can compose a symphony, you wouldn't put too much time on a serenade.
: If you can do architectural, you won't go for interior design.
: From a guy working in a design industry, I am telling you that straight men
: and gay men makes absolutely no difference in terms of sensitivity to form,
: color, and style, in terms of being agressive and flamboyant in design.
: Society largely decides what you can do, and what you will do. Boys are not
: supposed to cry at a needle, coz the society gives them pressure. Straight
: men sometimes subconsciously avoid anything related to femininity. Thus
: there's a void created for the telants of gay community to aggregate.
: This is all because of the social economics, not because gay men design

y*e2011-04-26 07:04

117 楼

After reading pages of "fashion tips" from sartoREAList, I conclude only one thing: sartoREAList can never be a true artist

T*h2011-04-26 07:04

118 楼

like he would care

one thing: sartoREAList can never be a true artist

【在 y*e 的大作中提到】

: After reading pages of "fashion tips" from sartoREAList, I conclude only one thing: sartoREAList can never be a true artist

s*t2011-04-26 07:04

119 楼

Have you ever thought about why gay men are more sensitive? And why they
are better dressed than straight men? It's because they want to attract
other men -- they know men are extremely visual, so they spend a lot of time
figuring out what works and what doesn't.
The gay world is very, very brutal, in terms of who gets laid and who doesn'
t. It's all about visual attraction. An average gay man probably spends
more time and money on his looks and works out more diligently in the gym
than an average woman.
Similarly, when a lesbian woman gives tips about women, I listen.

your

【在 h******3 的大作中提到】

: 说到sensitivity。我觉得gay men还是要比straight men要强一些，而且在fashion上
: 更creative一些。
: 举个例子说，非fashion业的直男能说出"这个衣服显出腰臀曲线了，好看”或者“那条
: 裙子没有露出性感的脖子和锁骨，不好看”这种评价。但是对于“我这件上衣配个什么
: 样的accessory才能从平庸变为与众不同？”他们就没有概念了。
: 相反，gay men,即使是工作环境和性质与fashion毫无关系的nerdy gay men，也可以给
: 出很多建设性的意见，比如“you should tuck your black ruffle shirt into your
: jeans and wear a brown belt to bring out the contract."
: 而且我同意楼上某人的意见，gay men are men。所以他们可以从男性的角度来看女性
: 的打扮是否attractive，同时又能以超出straight men的敏感度给出非常具体敏锐的建

h*32011-04-26 07:04

120 楼

恩。是的呀。你说的这些道理我都明白。in gay world, it's all about physical
attraction.
虽然彩虹男里也有那种完全不讲究穿着的胖熊型，他们最终的结果也就是找其他的bear
，跟那些tweenky风的帅哥是完全无缘的。
不过对于你说的关于lesbian的意见，我持保留态度。呵呵。

time
doesn'

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: Have you ever thought about why gay men are more sensitive? And why they
: are better dressed than straight men? It's because they want to attract
: other men -- they know men are extremely visual, so they spend a lot of time
: figuring out what works and what doesn't.
: The gay world is very, very brutal, in terms of who gets laid and who doesn'
: t. It's all about visual attraction. An average gay man probably spends
: more time and money on his looks and works out more diligently in the gym
: than an average woman.
: Similarly, when a lesbian woman gives tips about women, I listen.
:

a*y2011-04-26 07:04

121 楼

男的最看重的还是床上的感受.衣服穿得再漂亮,骗得了男人一时,骗不了一世.

want
women.
and
as

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: First, please, do not dress like little school girls. We really don't want
: to be reminded of that annoying girl in the kindergarten. And, although
: Lolita remains a fantasy for many men, the real alphas go for the real women.
: Instead, start with shoes. If your shoes are hot, the rest can be crap, and
: you are still hot. No, we are not talking about uggs. Uggs are, well, as
: the name's origin, f' ugly (ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugg_boots)
: Or if you have hot legs, we will take any shoe, or no shoe at all.

p*n2011-04-26 07:04

122 楼

我觉得楼主的意思是你如果想要利用性别优势来得到一些social benefit, then there
is some shortcut
真正独立和内心强大的女人是会利用自己的优势的

的？

【在 v*******o 的大作中提到】

: 同意为男人dress up是很悲哀很原始的，穿着第一要舒服整洁第二要自己觉得好看，总
: 是紧张男人的看
: 法是不是太累了？而且fashion和seduction是不同的概念，男人也许懂seduction但是
: 不懂
: fashion，就算要参考男人的意见那也要问gay men，顶级设计师有几个不是gay men的？
: 再说简洁也不是万金油，op提到的顶级美女赫本泰勒身上的outfit不是普通女人可以
: pull off的，身
: 材完美当然希望简洁的look可以让男人concentrate on perfect figure，你要是自认
: 你的腿不
: 完美就需要穿有装饰的鞋，让人家少注意你的缺点，因为这时你要人家专注你的身材就

l*x2011-04-26 07:04

123 楼

bow-tie, 荷叶边， fake flowers...
All little girls' favorite.
What kind of men need the little girls' image to remind them of their
awkward, clumsy and maybe angry adolescent years full of rejections?

't
shoes

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: These are examples of shoes women love to buy/wear, and us guys really don't
: care much for, but always tell you that they look cute on you:
: One word about ballet flats -- we really think they look like bathroom shoes
: . And please don't wear them with sloppy skinny jeans -- it's a dreadful
: look. They make your legs look fat, short, and crooked.

l*x2011-04-26 07:04

124 楼

For some reason, I think these are designed by powerful gay men.

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: And these, are simply wrong:

s*t2011-04-26 07:04

125 楼

Yes, you are probably right.
The "fashion industry" is an industry, and a lot of it is similar to the
snake oil business.

【在 l******x 的大作中提到】

: For some reason, I think these are designed by powerful gay men.

v*o2011-04-26 07:04

126 楼

even so, according to op straight should have much more advantage or be
more talented than gays if fashion is about what straight men feel,
instead of being no difference
also fashion design is somewhat diff. from other kinds of design career,
excel in one doesn't secure the other one, and we're talking about fashion
in particular

men
form,

【在 T**********h 的大作中提到】

: like he would care
:
: one thing: sartoREAList can never be a true artist

v*o2011-04-26 07:04

127 楼

this is really not for u2 say, only time will tell
话说我真不觉得直男还会为了别人怎么看而不顾利益，除了护士执业以外包括影视音乐舞蹈这些充斥女
性主题的内容直男们趋之若鹜，音乐剧啊chick flicks啊romantic comedy啊从演员到导演主要阵
容还是直男，所以给人印象fashion industry的gay数量unproportional是他们有天份的间接证
据
而且直男会放过和美女工作的机会？那是还不够直哈哈，影视音乐舞蹈摄影等等有大量美女的职业也是
直男喜欢入行的原因之一，很难相信他们会顾忌别人看法而不要和漂亮model工作的机会

alpha

【在 T**********h 的大作中提到】

: like he would care
:
: one thing: sartoREAList can never be a true artist

v*o2011-04-26 07:04

128 楼

i'm from china the earth, which planet r u from?

【在 T**********h 的大作中提到】

: obviously we don't share the same history, he, he.

v*o2011-04-26 07:04

129 楼

my point exactly, 所以自己的穿着打扮还是更愿意听女人和gay的意见，但是about
men's
fashion还是很愿意听取op和gay的意见的

【在 s**********t 的大作中提到】

: Yes, you are probably right.
: The "fashion industry" is an industry, and a lot of it is similar to the
: snake oil business.

v*o2011-04-26 07:04

130 楼

第一句没有不同意啊，明白他的意思但不赞成这种想法
第二句it's really not for u2 say, who r u2 tell what powerful women should
do?

there

【在 p****n 的大作中提到】

: 我觉得楼主的意思是你如果想要利用性别优势来得到一些social benefit, then there
: is some shortcut
: 真正独立和内心强大的女人是会利用自己的优势的
:
: 的？

p*n2011-04-26 07:04

131 楼

o my goodness..don't you think you are over reacting? look at your prior
posts, do you really want to pick up a fight with ppl?
geez

【在 v*******o 的大作中提到】

: 第一句没有不同意啊，明白他的意思但不赞成这种想法
: 第二句it's really not for u2 say, who r u2 tell what powerful women should
: do?
:
: there

v*o2011-04-26 07:04

132 楼

on the contrary i think ur the one who's over reacting here, everybody
else is just discussing sth interesting calmly, no swearing no name
calling, where would the fight come from?
有什么input大家可以讨论，有话说话有理讲理人身攻击就免了，这里不是水版军版，
if u got
nothing to offer ur welcome to stay quiet, 没人逼你参加

【在 p****n 的大作中提到】

: o my goodness..don't you think you are over reacting? look at your prior
: posts, do you really want to pick up a fight with ppl?
: geez