【在 m*****5 的大作中提到】 : maxx new york去年破产重组的时候,很多款的设计都被各个大牌买走了,以后大牌一 : 卖起码就是3倍价格
Y*n
18 楼
哈哈, 你举得两个反例的人群里肯定有这样的人: 就是我钱多的已经看不到价格差别了, 我只看到的品质差别。 如果是这样, 当然不 是肤浅。 我原帖下的定义是: ”我出400%—10% 的冤枉钱就是因为他是大牌。“ 但是, 即便不是肤浅, 我也有微词啊。品质差别太小, 价格差别相对太大, 多余的 钱how to justify? why not use it wisely? donate to poor people and the hungry? 所以我最敬佩的人就是有财富,但是行为毫不炫耀,对别人慷慨的人。
nobody is perfect! ;) I am joking. more or less, we all get affected by the "glamour" just be moderate about it is all ^__^
【在 S*********i 的大作中提到】 : 我承认,我买大牌的时候确实考虑了的icon, status一面,不是一味考虑 i think..肤 : 浅肤浅,没啥不好意思承认的,细细
p*l
20 楼
问题是 这种人捐的钱为社会做的贡献通常也不是我们能比的呀 如果随便一捐就是几个米莲的 自己吃啊穿啊其实都是小钱 不make a dent 要人住在地下室里穿着Forever 21省出几个米连来捐给慈善事业,这未免强人所难了
【在 Y*******n 的大作中提到】 : 哈哈, 你举得两个反例的人群里肯定有这样的人: : 就是我钱多的已经看不到价格差别了, 我只看到的品质差别。 如果是这样, 当然不 : 是肤浅。 : 我原帖下的定义是: : ”我出400%—10% 的冤枉钱就是因为他是大牌。“ : 但是, 即便不是肤浅, 我也有微词啊。品质差别太小, 价格差别相对太大, 多余的 : 钱how to justify? why not use it wisely? donate to poor people and the : hungry? : 所以我最敬佩的人就是有财富,但是行为毫不炫耀,对别人慷慨的人。 :
S*i
21 楼
i have no money for da pai thou...can you define da , how da is da???
【在 Y*******n 的大作中提到】 : nobody is perfect! : ;) : I am joking. more or less, we all get affected by the "glamour" : just be moderate about it is all : ^__^
Y*n
22 楼
那就不要比嘛, 难道你非上做捐款大户榜还要做榜眼啊。 哈哈。 this is where "重在参与”is important. Donate what you think is reasonable. why waste the money on luxury?
【在 Y*******n 的大作中提到】 : 那就不要比嘛, 难道你非上做捐款大户榜还要做榜眼啊。 哈哈。 : this is where "重在参与”is important. Donate what you think is reasonable. : why waste the money on luxury?
maybe nothing too wrong, just less right. just saying. there is a better choice. their happiness has nothing to do with it. of course they are happy, duh
【在 S*********i 的大作中提到】 : as long as they are happy, what is wrong abt 买到的是虚的东西??
【在 S*********i 的大作中提到】 : as long as they are happy, what is wrong abt 买到的是虚的东西??
Y*n
37 楼
500% - 10% tells you exactly how justifiable it is. 买的人自己心里有数就好了. I've repeated this, it really depends on how they made choice. this has nothign to do with 经济状况和消费观念. 任何经济状况都有对status/icon的evalution. 如果对这个evaluate 得过高了, 就是 肤浅, 你已经同意了。 肤浅的选择造成浪费 所以不如捐出去。 这不是judge.
我想你上面已经同意了:非常非常有钱的人买点奢侈品无可厚非? 怎么又来"this has nothign to do with 经济状况和消费观念"了呢?
they
【在 Y*******n 的大作中提到】 : 500% - 10% tells you exactly how justifiable it is. : 买的人自己心里有数就好了. I've repeated this, it really depends on how they : made choice. this has nothign to do with 经济状况和消费观念. : 任何经济状况都有对status/icon的evalution. 如果对这个evaluate 得过高了, 就是 : 肤浅, 你已经同意了。 : 肤浅的选择造成浪费 : 所以不如捐出去。 : 这不是judge.
【在 Y*******n 的大作中提到】 : 500% - 10% tells you exactly how justifiable it is. : 买的人自己心里有数就好了. I've repeated this, it really depends on how they : made choice. this has nothign to do with 经济状况和消费观念. : 任何经济状况都有对status/icon的evalution. 如果对这个evaluate 得过高了, 就是 : 肤浅, 你已经同意了。 : 肤浅的选择造成浪费 : 所以不如捐出去。 : 这不是judge.
Y*n
41 楼
my original post:
G*a
42 楼
他们再有钱,也不值得咱花时间去操心他们生活 咱再穷,自己时间也宝贵啊;)
they
【在 Y*******n 的大作中提到】 : 500% - 10% tells you exactly how justifiable it is. : 买的人自己心里有数就好了. I've repeated this, it really depends on how they : made choice. this has nothign to do with 经济状况和消费观念. : 任何经济状况都有对status/icon的evalution. 如果对这个evaluate 得过高了, 就是 : 肤浅, 你已经同意了。 : 肤浅的选择造成浪费 : 所以不如捐出去。 : 这不是judge.
Y*n
43 楼
wrong. this is where quality difference is comparable to price difference. u did not fully get my point from my first post,
【在 b*****r 的大作中提到】 : Per Se那真是overrated啊,估计大多人都是被忽悠去的:) : : 好,但是也好不到10倍的地步吧?可是一样很多人去吃,不见得就是肤浅。
Y*n
56 楼
我比的是400美金和2000美金的差价。 你的这个比喻太牵强了。你非说5块钱那个吃得一样品质。我也无语了。 “喜欢也就买了,想都不会多想” 这不是你纠结不纠结, 多想还是少想的问题, 说到底你还是停留在把奢侈品等同于购 买力的水平上。 你是说我纠结因为我赚的少?哈哈。let's not go that direction, shall we? 这是一个”what makes you pay the 495% extra"的问题。are you in it for the icon/status, or something else? 这个问题和一个人收入没有关系。我讨厌的风气就是买高级货暗示自己收入高的。
Do you want to occupy wall street? :)) I mean ...Come on, what is wrong abt 买高级货暗示自己收入高?? for ppl who work their ass off to get paid, I see nothing wrong with it?? They deserve it.
, shall we?
【在 Y*******n 的大作中提到】 : 我比的是400美金和2000美金的差价。 : 你的这个比喻太牵强了。你非说5块钱那个吃得一样品质。我也无语了。 : “喜欢也就买了,想都不会多想” : 这不是你纠结不纠结, 多想还是少想的问题, 说到底你还是停留在把奢侈品等同于购 : 买力的水平上。 你是说我纠结因为我赚的少?哈哈。let's not go that direction, shall we? : 这是一个”what makes you pay the 495% extra"的问题。are you in it for the : icon/status, or something else? : 这个问题和一个人收入没有关系。我讨厌的风气就是买高级货暗示自己收入高的。 : : 30
【在 Y*******n 的大作中提到】 : 我比的是400美金和2000美金的差价。 : 你的这个比喻太牵强了。你非说5块钱那个吃得一样品质。我也无语了。 : “喜欢也就买了,想都不会多想” : 这不是你纠结不纠结, 多想还是少想的问题, 说到底你还是停留在把奢侈品等同于购 : 买力的水平上。 你是说我纠结因为我赚的少?哈哈。let's not go that direction, shall we? : 这是一个”what makes you pay the 495% extra"的问题。are you in it for the : icon/status, or something else? : 这个问题和一个人收入没有关系。我讨厌的风气就是买高级货暗示自己收入高的。 : : 30
Y*n
67 楼
wall street is history. wake up! I already said it: it's not too wrong, just less right! “非”和”厚非“的关系嘛! 【在 S*********i 的大作中提到】 : Do you want to occupy wall street? :)) : I mean ...Come on, what is wrong abt 买高级货暗示自己收入高?? for ppl who : work their ass off to get paid, I see nothing wrong with it?? They deserve : it. : : , shall we?
p*l
68 楼
奢侈的地方不同而已 美国人喜欢把钱花在房子车子上 很多美国人喜欢很贵的hobby
【在 Y*******n 的大作中提到】 : this cannot be wronger : 日本人和美国人口相当。 : 人群中喜欢奢侈品的比例在new rich国家高多了。
I feel happy for them because they make good moeny! I respect them becasue they work hard! I don't really respect them becasue they spent unwisely! hey but I am OK with it! I said it's LESS right! 你和basil都有混淆概念 。把两个东西混在一起,我是分开了。
【在 S*********i 的大作中提到】 : you should feel happy for them and show respect, not look down upon. : I respect hard working ppl, regardless how they spend their money:))
【在 Y*******n 的大作中提到】 : 日本土地贵, 装修压根是零头。 : all in all, so you think american people tend to spend more on luxury goods?
Y*n
85 楼
thank you :) but not exactly. 有消费奢侈品的能力就消费,不是的. 而是说 因为地位,品牌的驱使而买奢侈品, 炫耀的, 是肤浅。 还是这个世界永远有人比你有钱 《---one should not care that much about who makes more money than herself/himself .this should not affect your way of life. 不是说你是最有钱的, 你的行为就可以justifiable。 【在 E*******1 的大作中提到】 : 又吵~~有消费奢侈品的能力就消费,没有的话别强撑,还是这个世界永远有人比你有钱 : ,有见识,所以不要轻易得瑟。。。。妖后是这个意思不?
【在 Y*******n 的大作中提到】 : thank you :) but not exactly. : 有消费奢侈品的能力就消费,不是的. 而是说 : 因为地位,品牌的驱使而买奢侈品, 炫耀的, 是肤浅。 : 还是这个世界永远有人比你有钱 《---one should not care that much about who : makes more money than herself/himself .this should not affect your way of : life. 不是说你是最有钱的, 你的行为就可以justifiable。
S*i
88 楼
then why you care about their motives on buying luxury??
【在 Y*******n 的大作中提到】 : thank you :) but not exactly. : 有消费奢侈品的能力就消费,不是的. 而是说 : 因为地位,品牌的驱使而买奢侈品, 炫耀的, 是肤浅。 : 还是这个世界永远有人比你有钱 《---one should not care that much about who : makes more money than herself/himself .this should not affect your way of : life. 不是说你是最有钱的, 你的行为就可以justifiable。
G*a
89 楼
最后我想说的是,我的point在于,也许这个问题并不是那么好解的。 在于你用自己的表层意识,也就是Kahneman的第二个系统,来试图解释潜意识,也就是 Kahneman第一个系统的机理。 ---用冰川露出水面的那一小角,解释冰川藏于下面那一大块呢,是很难的课题 Kahneman的书,基本上总结了他这一辈子的work。非常有意思的easy read。。好像网 上也有免费下栽,不妨看看 :) 这个关系到basic human decision making 最后我要disclaim一下,我对economics的理解很粗浅。如有谬误,大家原谅,欢迎指 正
【在 S*********i 的大作中提到】 : then why you care about their motives on buying luxury??
g*y
91 楼
那种大牌=有钱,或者大牌=有品位是让人烦。
, shall we?
【在 Y*******n 的大作中提到】 : 我比的是400美金和2000美金的差价。 : 你的这个比喻太牵强了。你非说5块钱那个吃得一样品质。我也无语了。 : “喜欢也就买了,想都不会多想” : 这不是你纠结不纠结, 多想还是少想的问题, 说到底你还是停留在把奢侈品等同于购 : 买力的水平上。 你是说我纠结因为我赚的少?哈哈。let's not go that direction, shall we? : 这是一个”what makes you pay the 495% extra"的问题。are you in it for the : icon/status, or something else? : 这个问题和一个人收入没有关系。我讨厌的风气就是买高级货暗示自己收入高的。 : : 30
p*l
92 楼
最大的问题是,子非鱼,焉知他人的motive是什么?
【在 S*********i 的大作中提到】 : then why you care about their motives on buying luxury??
I like and dislike different "qualities" of a person with different degree. everyone has a little shallowness in them. we are not saint. but what's wrong trying/promoting to improve ourselves? u've already admitted certain behavior is shallow, unless you love to be shallow, why not trying to be less shallow?
【在 S*********i 的大作中提到】 : i think you like me yah, hahaha...
Y*n
100 楼
THAT WAS NOT MY OPINION AT ALL. you are twisting my point again.
environmental priming maybe the 替罪羊 for buying luxury without being shallow? otherwise, I cannot see the relations to my topic. very interesting input , though
well..i have a lot of problems to fix on myself..being shallow is not bothering me, sorry can't make u happier...
【在 Y*******n 的大作中提到】 : I like and dislike different "qualities" of a person with different degree. : everyone has a little shallowness in them. we are not saint. : but what's wrong trying/promoting to improve ourselves? : u've already admitted certain behavior is shallow, unless you love to be : shallow, why not trying to be less shallow?
Y*n
108 楼
OK since you are kidding! 我压根就没指认谁是肤浅。所以谈不上judge. 我只说了***如果***他的决定是建立在某些基础上才是肤浅。 just in case I wasn't clear enough :)
【在 Y*******n 的大作中提到】 : environmental priming : maybe the 替罪羊 for buying luxury without being shallow? : otherwise, I cannot see the relations to my topic. : very interesting input , though : : 书 : intuitive
E*1
113 楼
咱这比华人不知道清静多少,那边都是贴大牌的,连带着贴大牌的盒子,包装等等 这里还挺少见的
no.
【在 S*********i 的大作中提到】 : 看到显摆大牌的我老想笑 : back to the point -- anyone on this board 显摆大牌? i only need a yes or no. : ...
Y*n
114 楼
K are u tryign to get me into trouble? lol Honestly I can't think of any "blatant" attempt here. I really can't say that. that would be rather sad, considering the average IQ of netters here. but generally such behavior is in every forum...much less on this one, I think. It's a nightmare in tianya. so uncool . lol people here are more..."subtle" about it.
no.
【在 S*********i 的大作中提到】 : 看到显摆大牌的我老想笑 : back to the point -- anyone on this board 显摆大牌? i only need a yes or no. : ...
逛小店是支持independence proudction的途径啊 then we will have 多样性competition a better market with variety and fairer pricing (driven by healthy competition) all above in turn to benefit ourselves (the consumer)
【在 Y*******n 的大作中提到】 : 逛小店是支持independence proudction的途径啊 : then we will have 多样性competition : a better market with variety and fairer pricing (driven by healthy : competition) : all above in turn to benefit ourselves (the consumer)
【在 Y*******n 的大作中提到】 : 逛小店是支持independence proudction的途径啊 : then we will have 多样性competition : a better market with variety and fairer pricing (driven by healthy : competition) : all above in turn to benefit ourselves (the consumer)
Yeah two Chinatowns -- the one in downtown manhattan is older; Flushing is by newer immigrants...approx. 40 min by subway from manhattan depending where you get on the train.
【在 S*********i 的大作中提到】 : Yeah two Chinatowns -- the one in downtown manhattan is older; Flushing is : by newer immigrants...approx. 40 min by subway from manhattan depending : where you get on the train. : : ?
【在 b*****r 的大作中提到】 : Animal Asia : 要看捐款人想用在什么方面了。。。
g*y
172 楼
其实还是萝卜白菜各有所爱。 本来就众口难调。 再美的美女也有人说丑。 我经常看 到商场有些衣服那难看到不知什么人会买,但是我自己买的东西奔出来也有人说难看得 白给也不要。 所以这样就很好理解了。 one man's trash is another man's treasure吗。 只要不因为因为东西judge人就好了。否则太自以为是了。
【在 g*****y 的大作中提到】 : 真的吗??!!! 天啊! 我晕倒。。。 那就给动物捐吧。。我因为有2猫,,每月固定捐 : aspca, American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals 。而且aspca : 在animal planet 有节目。
.....how many years you have been in US without knowing its population?
【在 Y*******n 的大作中提到】 : 中国的零头是美国的全部, 不太可能。
c*l
204 楼
or 15 mins on LIRR from Penn station
【在 S*********i 的大作中提到】 : Yeah two Chinatowns -- the one in downtown manhattan is older; Flushing is : by newer immigrants...approx. 40 min by subway from manhattan depending : where you get on the train. : : ?
Y*n
205 楼
waht do you mean? 1.3 billion 的零头是0.3 billion? that's more than 20% that's not called 零头
【在 S*********i 的大作中提到】 : .....how many years you have been in US without knowing its population?
S*i
206 楼
what is 零头 for a number of 1.3 then? whatever I am going home
【在 Y*******n 的大作中提到】 : waht do you mean? : 1.3 billion 的零头是0.3 billion? : that's more than 20% : that's not called 零头
p*l
207 楼
13亿的零头难道不是3亿? 你不会以为中国人口的零头是图上的最末数字2吧?
【在 Y*******n 的大作中提到】 : waht do you mean? : 1.3 billion 的零头是0.3 billion? : that's more than 20% : that's not called 零头
Y*n
208 楼
你把你赚的零头给我吧。 say...五分之一 哈哈
【在 S*********i 的大作中提到】 : what is 零头 for a number of 1.3 then? : whatever : I am going home
nothing to do with what this organization is doing.does red cross have credibility? they dont take overhead from donation. all the money go directly to the receiver. anyways she can be called a philanthropist for what she is doing NOW.
【在 G***a 的大作中提到】 : 可能她以前一些事情,让她已经失去credibility了吧
p*l
237 楼
微不足道是个很模糊的概念啊 比如给你个数字 1,234.56,零头是多少?
【在 Y*******n 的大作中提到】 : 应该是微不足道的一部分, 才叫零头 : is that clear? : : 畅快
Y*n
238 楼
her idea is more correct because the ratio is low not because it's "小数部分" jesus...ur driving me crazy...are you for real debating this.
【在 c*****l 的大作中提到】 : nothing to do with what this organization is doing.does red cross have : credibility? : they dont take overhead from donation. all the money go directly to the : receiver. : anyways she can be called a philanthropist for what she is doing NOW.
I've been searching. If you find another one with ZERO overhead, for chinese kids, and the founder is of better histroy than Chai, please let me know. Much appreciated.
【在 c*****l 的大作中提到】 : I've been searching. If you find another one with ZERO overhead, for chinese : kids, and the founder is of better histroy than Chai, please let me know. : Much appreciated.
y*u
248 楼
居然还在版上看见柴大妈的用户者~~~
chinese
【在 c*****l 的大作中提到】 : I've been searching. If you find another one with ZERO overhead, for chinese : kids, and the founder is of better histroy than Chai, please let me know. : Much appreciated.
b*r
249 楼
你是p大的?话说这坑真多样话
【在 n****o 的大作中提到】 : 我绝对相信有更好的,也相信公主能找到。 : 就算真的没有更好的,我也绝对不会捐给柴大妈的组织。 : : chinese
【在 y*****u 的大作中提到】 : 居然还在版上看见柴大妈的用户者~~~ : : chinese
c*l
263 楼
Ur money ur choice.
【在 n****o 的大作中提到】 : 我绝对相信有更好的,也相信公主能找到。 : 就算真的没有更好的,我也绝对不会捐给柴大妈的组织。 : : chinese
G*3
264 楼
看到这里实在忍不住了。。。 问题是亿本来就不是一个很小的单位。。。比如说,一个人欠另外一个人1块三,要是 债主大方一点,零头就给抹了吧,是三毛。可是一个人要是欠另外一个人1.3亿,我估 计打死债主也不愿意把那个“零头”给抹了啊。。。 非得纠结零头,13.x亿的零头怎么说也得是.x吧,怎么就能算到3上了? common sense 啊同学!!!
It may be useful to loot at the history of fashion. Before the 18th century there were simply no fashion in Europe. The styles and colors of clothes are defined by the social status of the people who wear them. French revolution and the subsequent industrial revolution gave rise to two things in the 19th century: a bourgeois class that is wealthy enough to seek beauty beyond utility, and shops that produce ready to wear clothes which are of comparable quality to those of tailor made ones but at much more affordable price. Good tailors who were servants to the aristocrats became designers and artists of their own kind. Paris became the fashion capital of the world . Many fashion brands have very long history and maintained the high standards and craftsmanship of the 19th century. Such brands tend to separate themselves from other ready to wear shops that mass produce low quality clothing, by artificially hike their prices to achieve exclusivity. Exclusivity is one of the things people crave for and are willing to pay an extra premium to join the club. That is why the new rich are so eager about these items. Many of the fashion clothes are in fact art items, detached from any real world function or utility. They look best on models in fashion shows or display shelves in boutique shops. Wearing them by most of us will simply destroy the art. That's the reason I prefer to keep them in shops rather than seeing them took home:)
you are just over defensive.0.3billion is NOT a small portion to 1.3 billion . that's end of it. I never 信口雌黄 but I said I didn't have official reference but only using common sense. Either answer to this question doesn' t harm my point a bit any way! the only thing is, first you think I criticized you. that didn't work. because I didn't,literally.correct? now you say I criticized whole china. sure that's so wrong right? Why can't u see I just pointed out some uncomfortable truth! that's all. stop whining and face it for a change! Or, do me a favor refer to your very first post, you've already had a honest reflection of yourself which I applause for. that should be end of it. why change your standpoint and come back whining about trivial things over and over as if what I said were not true? Jesus! 发信人: YourQueen (changing ID), 信区: Fashion 标 题: Re: 我对大名牌完全免疫 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jan 6 12:16:40 2012, 美东) nobody is perfect! ;) I am joking. more or less, we all get affected by the "glamour" just be moderate about it is all ^__^
【在 S*********i 的大作中提到】 : 我承认,我买大牌的时候确实考虑了的icon, status一面,不是一味考虑 i think..肤 : 浅肤浅,没啥不好意思承认的,细细
零头是应该至少少于1/10的一个很小的比例 agreed. however you define it, this should stand true. doesn't matter who wins on this topic, this has nothing to do with my point on shallowness in shoppingn behavior. get over it!
其实upper class是最care他们那个阶层的,中产是一方面不愿承认阶层存在一方面又 想各方面接近上层。阶层从economically来区分是穷人跟富人,从social角度区分(i. e. manners and traditions)就是上层中产这样的等级, 不是有钱就那个阶层了,a lot of inherited money才算upper class and above,就是可以一辈子吃父母亲戚的 fund不需要自己make a living那种。。。
【在 b*****r 的大作中提到】 : 其实upper class是最care他们那个阶层的,中产是一方面不愿承认阶层存在一方面又 : 想各方面接近上层。阶层从economically来区分是穷人跟富人,从social角度区分(i. : e. manners and traditions)就是上层中产这样的等级, 不是有钱就那个阶层了,a : lot of inherited money才算upper class and above,就是可以一辈子吃父母亲戚的 : fund不需要自己make a living那种。。。
oops, 得,我没时间继续跟你whine鸟,who damn care 1.3 and 0.3..。。您老。。继续高尚 着吧~!
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【在 Y*******n 的大作中提到】 : you are just over defensive.0.3billion is NOT a small portion to 1.3 billion : . that's end of it. I never 信口雌黄 but I said I didn't have official : reference but only using common sense. Either answer to this question doesn' : t harm my point a bit any way! : the only thing is, : first you think I criticized you. : that didn't work. because I didn't,literally.correct? : now you say I criticized whole china. sure that's so wrong right? : Why can't u see I just pointed out some uncomfortable truth! that's all. : stop whining and face it for a change! Or, do me a favor refer to your very
我觉得那些钱,名气高到一定层次了的都算了, 不过人家first class阶层的人自己会 care,会分新贵 or old money, 暴发户啥的, 人嘛,都是这样的,都想有优越感,呵呵 。贵族学校里应该能看到很多这类的事吧。 华人现在在美国赚钱算不少的吧,弯曲不是说25万是贫困线吗?年收入25万以上在美国 top 5%了吧,一些大名牌肯定还是能消费得起的。
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【在 b*****r 的大作中提到】 : 其实upper class是最care他们那个阶层的,中产是一方面不愿承认阶层存在一方面又 : 想各方面接近上层。阶层从economically来区分是穷人跟富人,从social角度区分(i. : e. manners and traditions)就是上层中产这样的等级, 不是有钱就那个阶层了,a : lot of inherited money才算upper class and above,就是可以一辈子吃父母亲戚的 : fund不需要自己make a living那种。。。
booo, obviously everyone here are still pretty hyped up. you and some other people upstairs, please kindly read my posts (just first few) then reply. obviously you guys all missed my points of definition of luxury goods and shallowness in shopping behavior. 海边大豪宅 doesn't even fall in the concept since there is no "brand" value in it .every cent of a real estate price is justifiable by location and other factors, just no brand values. to your other examples, I am too lazy to repeat my points...u can find exactly the same logic reasoning between purplebasil and me, unfortunately, people really don't care about the fact that your opinion maybe already presented before and already got discussed over, they just keep repeating what I have already proved wrong. LOL this is ridiculous.