st
2 楼
why not use eclipse/jbuilder etc?
【在 b******l 的大作中提到】
: 我有CYGWIN的DDD. 多谢了
【在 b******l 的大作中提到】
: 我有CYGWIN的DDD. 多谢了
xt
3 楼
Or use System.err.println() haha
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: why not use eclipse/jbuilder etc?
b*l
4 楼
I used print in graduate school. which is not good enough for a real project.
【在 xt 的大作中提到】
:
: Or use System.err.println() haha
【在 xt 的大作中提到】
:
: Or use System.err.println() haha
b*l
5 楼
I tried to use all the free software if possible. :-)
such as DDD
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: why not use eclipse/jbuilder etc?
such as DDD
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: why not use eclipse/jbuilder etc?
st
6 楼
well, many linux/unix lovers still stick to vi... doing their real projects...
【在 b******l 的大作中提到】
: I used print in graduate school. which is not good enough for a real project.
【在 b******l 的大作中提到】
: I used print in graduate school. which is not good enough for a real project.
st
7 楼
jbuilder personal edition is free,
eclipse is free as well.
【在 b******l 的大作中提到】
: I tried to use all the free software if possible. :-)
: such as DDD
eclipse is free as well.
【在 b******l 的大作中提到】
: I tried to use all the free software if possible. :-)
: such as DDD
b*l
8 楼
I am using vim, too, but news is: on w2k. :-)
If on linux/unix, I won't come to ask.
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: well, many linux/unix lovers still stick to vi... doing their real projects...
If on linux/unix, I won't come to ask.
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: well, many linux/unix lovers still stick to vi... doing their real projects...
b*l
9 楼
really. I will give a try. Thanx
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: jbuilder personal edition is free,
: eclipse is free as well.
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: jbuilder personal edition is free,
: eclipse is free as well.
st
10 楼
yeah, that's the thing, what a waste if you dont ues IDE on w2k.
【在 b******l 的大作中提到】
: I am using vim, too, but news is: on w2k. :-)
: If on linux/unix, I won't come to ask.
【在 b******l 的大作中提到】
: I am using vim, too, but news is: on w2k. :-)
: If on linux/unix, I won't come to ask.
b*l
11 楼
I don't use IDE because Idon't need usually.
My case is I used language other than C/C++/java, but from time to time,
maybe twice a year, I have to read some c/C++/java code, and possible study
it.
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: yeah, that's the thing, what a waste if you dont ues IDE on w2k.
My case is I used language other than C/C++/java, but from time to time,
maybe twice a year, I have to read some c/C++/java code, and possible study
it.
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: yeah, that's the thing, what a waste if you dont ues IDE on w2k.
st
12 楼
no matter a lot code or just small amount, IDE helps you, make it faster,
IMHO, so I would prefer to use IDE.
【在 b******l 的大作中提到】
: I don't use IDE because Idon't need usually.
: My case is I used language other than C/C++/java, but from time to time,
: maybe twice a year, I have to read some c/C++/java code, and possible study
: it.
IMHO, so I would prefer to use IDE.
【在 b******l 的大作中提到】
: I don't use IDE because Idon't need usually.
: My case is I used language other than C/C++/java, but from time to time,
: maybe twice a year, I have to read some c/C++/java code, and possible study
: it.
c*r
13 楼
well, I am on os x with a gvim. And if you really like a gui, you can try
eclips. it's a little slow, but fine.
projects...
project.
【在 b******l 的大作中提到】
: I am using vim, too, but news is: on w2k. :-)
: If on linux/unix, I won't come to ask.
eclips. it's a little slow, but fine.
projects...
project.
【在 b******l 的大作中提到】
: I am using vim, too, but news is: on w2k. :-)
: If on linux/unix, I won't come to ask.
st
14 楼
you know, people fall in love with "good" gui, since it speeds up the
work, IMHO...
【在 c***r 的大作中提到】
: well, I am on os x with a gvim. And if you really like a gui, you can try
: eclips. it's a little slow, but fine.
:
: projects...
: project.
work, IMHO...
【在 c***r 的大作中提到】
: well, I am on os x with a gvim. And if you really like a gui, you can try
: eclips. it's a little slow, but fine.
:
: projects...
: project.
b*l
15 楼
that is why people(some quick CS MS)can build a GUI in couple minutes, but
knew nothing about OS or compile, and they call themself Computer SCIENCE
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: you know, people fall in love with "good" gui, since it speeds up the
: work, IMHO...
knew nothing about OS or compile, and they call themself Computer SCIENCE
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: you know, people fall in love with "good" gui, since it speeds up the
: work, IMHO...
m*d
16 楼
don't use gui that often except msvc, maybe just get used to vim
【在 b******l 的大作中提到】
: that is why people(some quick CS MS)can build a GUI in couple minutes, but
: knew nothing about OS or compile, and they call themself Computer SCIENCE
【在 b******l 的大作中提到】
: that is why people(some quick CS MS)can build a GUI in couple minutes, but
: knew nothing about OS or compile, and they call themself Computer SCIENCE
st
17 楼
that's software engineering, dont know anybody doing that calling
themselves "science".
【在 b******l 的大作中提到】
: that is why people(some quick CS MS)can build a GUI in couple minutes, but
: knew nothing about OS or compile, and they call themself Computer SCIENCE
themselves "science".
【在 b******l 的大作中提到】
: that is why people(some quick CS MS)can build a GUI in couple minutes, but
: knew nothing about OS or compile, and they call themself Computer SCIENCE
xt
18 楼
project.
I used print in our projects, until I got a really slow debugger lately.
【在 b******l 的大作中提到】
: I used print in graduate school. which is not good enough for a real project.
xt
19 楼
projects...
I am not one of them, but I use vi on W2K. :-)
I also use notepad for JSP.
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: well, many linux/unix lovers still stick to vi... doing their real projects...
st
20 楼
I dont know any good IDE for jsp yet...
well, never consider click of a mouse giving you refrence of that function
and many other functionality would be convenient?
【在 xt 的大作中提到】
:
: projects...
: I am not one of them, but I use vi on W2K. :-)
: I also use notepad for JSP.
well, never consider click of a mouse giving you refrence of that function
and many other functionality would be convenient?
【在 xt 的大作中提到】
:
: projects...
: I am not one of them, but I use vi on W2K. :-)
: I also use notepad for JSP.
xt
21 楼
I don't call myself "science". haha
It takes me a few weeks to build a good GUI.
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: that's software engineering, dont know anybody doing that calling
: themselves "science".
xt
22 楼
Sometimes, but not all that necessary. The real story is, we didn't buy any
IDE. :-)
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: I dont know any good IDE for jsp yet...
: well, never consider click of a mouse giving you refrence of that function
: and many other functionality would be convenient?
st
23 楼
depend on the complexity of the GUI bah... that's not science for sure..
【在 xt 的大作中提到】
:
: Sometimes, but not all that necessary. The real story is, we didn't buy any
: IDE. :-)
【在 xt 的大作中提到】
:
: Sometimes, but not all that necessary. The real story is, we didn't buy any
: IDE. :-)
xt
24 楼
I only build GUI's as Sybase Central plug-ins. I start from hand coding
the panels - The viewer frame is already provided by Sybase Central.
However I have to follow all the Sybase Central rules to make it work.
Also I need to take care of all the localization issues etc. Last time
it took me 6 weeks to build a GUI comprised of about 30 panels.
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: depend on the complexity of the GUI bah... that's not science for sure..
st
25 楼
30 panels, that's a lot "pain in the ass" ah.
【在 xt 的大作中提到】
:
: I only build GUI's as Sybase Central plug-ins. I start from hand coding
: the panels - The viewer frame is already provided by Sybase Central.
: However I have to follow all the Sybase Central rules to make it work.
: Also I need to take care of all the localization issues etc. Last time
: it took me 6 weeks to build a GUI comprised of about 30 panels.
【在 xt 的大作中提到】
:
: I only build GUI's as Sybase Central plug-ins. I start from hand coding
: the panels - The viewer frame is already provided by Sybase Central.
: However I have to follow all the Sybase Central rules to make it work.
: Also I need to take care of all the localization issues etc. Last time
: it took me 6 weeks to build a GUI comprised of about 30 panels.
xt
26 楼
If you do it right, it is pretty staight forward.
Of course the first thing is to define all the
behaviours.
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: 30 panels, that's a lot "pain in the ass" ah.
st
27 楼
I know, once you have some samples, it gets faster later on.
【在 xt 的大作中提到】
:
: If you do it right, it is pretty staight forward.
: Of course the first thing is to define all the
: behaviours.
【在 xt 的大作中提到】
:
: If you do it right, it is pretty staight forward.
: Of course the first thing is to define all the
: behaviours.
b*l
28 楼
FYI, I am using Eclipse now. Quite OK for my trace purpose, though download
took an hour.
got Websphere too, but it is too big
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: I know, once you have some samples, it gets faster later on.
took an hour.
got Websphere too, but it is too big
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: I know, once you have some samples, it gets faster later on.
st
29 楼
your download speed seem slow? any way, it's an one time thing.
【在 b******l 的大作中提到】
: FYI, I am using Eclipse now. Quite OK for my trace purpose, though download
: took an hour.
: got Websphere too, but it is too big
【在 b******l 的大作中提到】
: FYI, I am using Eclipse now. Quite OK for my trace purpose, though download
: took an hour.
: got Websphere too, but it is too big
xt
30 楼
Websphere? I use the latest version, enterprise. Never liked
it much.
【在 b******l 的大作中提到】
: FYI, I am using Eclipse now. Quite OK for my trace purpose, though download
: took an hour.
: got Websphere too, but it is too big
p*n
31 楼
IDEA
【在 b******l 的大作中提到】
: 我有CYGWIN的DDD. 多谢了
【在 b******l 的大作中提到】
: 我有CYGWIN的DDD. 多谢了
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