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d*g2012-03-08 08:03

1 楼

【以下文字转载自 Working 讨论区】
发信人: dinerly (提腊蜜粟), 信区: Working
标题: 问个trade-support之类的工作
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Mar 8 11:56:35 2012, 美东)
有木有大牛对这个比较了解的，就是给trader打下手，做点表格，收集资料，搞个
research的。
在buy side - alternative investment的offer。
干两年出来能干什么呢？
我也不是有野心的，只要工作按时上下班不出差就行了。

d*g2012-03-08 08:03

2 楼

疑虑是：
1.编程功夫废了
2.干两年出来能干什么呢？support工作貌似不多啊

s*32012-03-08 08:03

3 楼

It really depends. The advantage is, if you work hard, and are good at
communication, you could move to business, either to middle office or front
office. But this is not easy, but possible.
The disadvantage is, the job could be boring. For the working hour, it
depends on the markets your job covers. If the traders care about Asia/EU
markets, it's going to be hard to get off work on time.
(sorry no Chinese input at this machine.)

【在 d*********g 的大作中提到】

: 疑虑是：
: 1.编程功夫废了
: 2.干两年出来能干什么呢？support工作貌似不多啊

b*u2012-03-08 08:03

4 楼

为啥move mo?比码农赚的少多了。

front

【在 s*****3 的大作中提到】

: It really depends. The advantage is, if you work hard, and are good at
: communication, you could move to business, either to middle office or front
: office. But this is not easy, but possible.
: The disadvantage is, the job could be boring. For the working hour, it
: depends on the markets your job covers. If the traders care about Asia/EU
: markets, it's going to be hard to get off work on time.
: (sorry no Chinese input at this machine.)

d*y2012-03-08 08:03

5 楼

哈哈，我是原贴主。
疑问就是，trade support/ops本来就是middle office吧。为什么工作无聊呢？这个
job offer说明产品是CDO/MBS/IRS之类的，所以大部分时间都在review investor
reports，计算interest/shortfall/WAS/WARF神马的。
我个人觉得内容还可以了，不知道是不是我漏掉了什么？
如果不做这个，不想去front office，也不会编程的大妈（光有一个金融master）还能
在金融公司干什么呢？
谢谢大牛！

front

【在 s*****3 的大作中提到】

: It really depends. The advantage is, if you work hard, and are good at
: communication, you could move to business, either to middle office or front
: office. But this is not easy, but possible.
: The disadvantage is, the job could be boring. For the working hour, it
: depends on the markets your job covers. If the traders care about Asia/EU
: markets, it's going to be hard to get off work on time.
: (sorry no Chinese input at this machine.)

b*u2012-03-08 08:03

6 楼

上面以为你做的是IT support。
operations的话，完全不编程，虽是中台但pay没IT高，市场绝定的。
当然IB里的tech又是IT里pay的最低的。因此你要做好comp很disappointing的准备。

【在 d*****y 的大作中提到】

: 哈哈，我是原贴主。
: 疑问就是，trade support/ops本来就是middle office吧。为什么工作无聊呢？这个
: job offer说明产品是CDO/MBS/IRS之类的，所以大部分时间都在review investor
: reports，计算interest/shortfall/WAS/WARF神马的。
: 我个人觉得内容还可以了，不知道是不是我漏掉了什么？
: 如果不做这个，不想去front office，也不会编程的大妈（光有一个金融master）还能
: 在金融公司干什么呢？
: 谢谢大牛！
:
: front

d*y2012-03-08 08:03

7 楼

恩恩了解了。
工钱还好啦，比不上大牛们，给我自己买俩prada包还是够了，哈哈哈。

【在 b***u 的大作中提到】

: 上面以为你做的是IT support。
: operations的话，完全不编程，虽是中台但pay没IT高，市场绝定的。
: 当然IB里的tech又是IT里pay的最低的。因此你要做好comp很disappointing的准备。

a*U2012-03-08 08:03

8 楼

”当然IB里的tech又是IT里pay的最低的“这句没有理解，IB的IT比M，F，要好呀。

Y*u2012-03-08 08:03

9 楼

firstly, you need to know what buy side is.
There are mainly three areas in traditional buy side (not quant or hft shop)
Investment research is the most prestige (and best paid) area, includes PM,
Investment Analyst and Quantitative Analyst. All those people are making
decision or pitching ideas of investment strategies. Basically they are the
people who make money.
After investment managers decide a strategy, let's say long AAPL 100M and
hedged using SPX, execution team will try to find the best way to execute
the trades (when, what, how, with whom). There are traders who execute the
trades, and trading support who enter trade, verify trade, amend trade and
prepare trading/risk report. Generally, trading is not a prestige job in buy
side, compared with sell-side.
So as a trading support, you are not doing any strategy related research. It
is usually considered as a boring job since you need to a lot manual/
verification work. You may do some risk job if ur company doesn't have risk
team.
It is definitely not a tough job, but also not a 9-5 one. I think the hour
expectation should be 8-6 or 7-6.
The career path is usually lead to senior operation staff in large fund or
bank. I think similar bank may have a better career since the people you
serve have more power (trader makes profit in bank)
If your company is small, it is possible that trader is one of the
investment team member, then you have a much better career path.

d*y2012-03-08 08:03

10 楼

恩，你说的verify trades好像我这个offer都没有，确定我们说的是一个类型？
我的理解是产品不同，trade support内容也不同？
因为这个组没有research也没有trade execution之类的活计，只是manage大概30多个
MBS/CDO portfolio，在reinvestment period之间trade一些loan之类的，我这个活计
就是investor report，然后做一些分析，比如说买这个loan，整个portfolio tests会
不会失败阿，卖了那个，portfolio是不是breach test拉~
verify trades有另外的settlement team在做。
难道是各个银行组职位也不同？

shop)
,
the

【在 Y******u 的大作中提到】

: firstly, you need to know what buy side is.
: There are mainly three areas in traditional buy side (not quant or hft shop)
: Investment research is the most prestige (and best paid) area, includes PM,
: Investment Analyst and Quantitative Analyst. All those people are making
: decision or pitching ideas of investment strategies. Basically they are the
: people who make money.
: After investment managers decide a strategy, let's say long AAPL 100M and
: hedged using SPX, execution team will try to find the best way to execute
: the trades (when, what, how, with whom). There are traders who execute the
: trades, and trading support who enter trade, verify trade, amend trade and

Y*u2012-03-08 08:03

11 楼

It is possible that we are not talking about same type of job. If you want
to post your job description (on job application/listing page), we may give
more detail

【在 d*****y 的大作中提到】

: 恩，你说的verify trades好像我这个offer都没有，确定我们说的是一个类型？
: 我的理解是产品不同，trade support内容也不同？
: 因为这个组没有research也没有trade execution之类的活计，只是manage大概30多个
: MBS/CDO portfolio，在reinvestment period之间trade一些loan之类的，我这个活计
: 就是investor report，然后做一些分析，比如说买这个loan，整个portfolio tests会
: 不会失败阿，卖了那个，portfolio是不是breach test拉~
: verify trades有另外的settlement team在做。
: 难道是各个银行组职位也不同？
:
: shop)

d*g2012-03-08 08:03

12 楼

【以下文字转载自 Working 讨论区】
发信人: dinerly (提腊蜜粟), 信区: Working
标题: 问个trade-support之类的工作
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Mar 8 11:56:35 2012, 美东)
有木有大牛对这个比较了解的，就是给trader打下手，做点表格，收集资料，搞个
research的。
在buy side - alternative investment的offer。
干两年出来能干什么呢？
我也不是有野心的，只要工作按时上下班不出差就行了。

d*g2012-03-08 08:03

13 楼

疑虑是：
1.编程功夫废了
2.干两年出来能干什么呢？support工作貌似不多啊

s*32012-03-08 08:03

14 楼

It really depends. The advantage is, if you work hard, and are good at
communication, you could move to business, either to middle office or front
office. But this is not easy, but possible.
The disadvantage is, the job could be boring. For the working hour, it
depends on the markets your job covers. If the traders care about Asia/EU
markets, it's going to be hard to get off work on time.
(sorry no Chinese input at this machine.)

【在 d*********g 的大作中提到】

: 疑虑是：
: 1.编程功夫废了
: 2.干两年出来能干什么呢？support工作貌似不多啊

b*u2012-03-08 08:03

15 楼

为啥move mo?比码农赚的少多了。

front

【在 s*****3 的大作中提到】

: It really depends. The advantage is, if you work hard, and are good at
: communication, you could move to business, either to middle office or front
: office. But this is not easy, but possible.
: The disadvantage is, the job could be boring. For the working hour, it
: depends on the markets your job covers. If the traders care about Asia/EU
: markets, it's going to be hard to get off work on time.
: (sorry no Chinese input at this machine.)

d*y2012-03-08 08:03

16 楼

哈哈，我是原贴主。
疑问就是，trade support/ops本来就是middle office吧。为什么工作无聊呢？这个
job offer说明产品是CDO/MBS/IRS之类的，所以大部分时间都在review investor
reports，计算interest/shortfall/WAS/WARF神马的。
我个人觉得内容还可以了，不知道是不是我漏掉了什么？
如果不做这个，不想去front office，也不会编程的大妈（光有一个金融master）还能
在金融公司干什么呢？
谢谢大牛！

front

【在 s*****3 的大作中提到】

: It really depends. The advantage is, if you work hard, and are good at
: communication, you could move to business, either to middle office or front
: office. But this is not easy, but possible.
: The disadvantage is, the job could be boring. For the working hour, it
: depends on the markets your job covers. If the traders care about Asia/EU
: markets, it's going to be hard to get off work on time.
: (sorry no Chinese input at this machine.)

b*u2012-03-08 08:03

17 楼

上面以为你做的是IT support。
operations的话，完全不编程，虽是中台但pay没IT高，市场绝定的。
当然IB里的tech又是IT里pay的最低的。因此你要做好comp很disappointing的准备。

【在 d*****y 的大作中提到】

: 哈哈，我是原贴主。
: 疑问就是，trade support/ops本来就是middle office吧。为什么工作无聊呢？这个
: job offer说明产品是CDO/MBS/IRS之类的，所以大部分时间都在review investor
: reports，计算interest/shortfall/WAS/WARF神马的。
: 我个人觉得内容还可以了，不知道是不是我漏掉了什么？
: 如果不做这个，不想去front office，也不会编程的大妈（光有一个金融master）还能
: 在金融公司干什么呢？
: 谢谢大牛！
:
: front

d*y2012-03-08 08:03

18 楼

恩恩了解了。
工钱还好啦，比不上大牛们，给我自己买俩prada包还是够了，哈哈哈。

【在 b***u 的大作中提到】

: 上面以为你做的是IT support。
: operations的话，完全不编程，虽是中台但pay没IT高，市场绝定的。
: 当然IB里的tech又是IT里pay的最低的。因此你要做好comp很disappointing的准备。

a*U2012-03-08 08:03

19 楼

”当然IB里的tech又是IT里pay的最低的“这句没有理解，IB的IT比M，F，要好呀。

Y*u2012-03-08 08:03

20 楼

firstly, you need to know what buy side is.
There are mainly three areas in traditional buy side (not quant or hft shop)
Investment research is the most prestige (and best paid) area, includes PM,
Investment Analyst and Quantitative Analyst. All those people are making
decision or pitching ideas of investment strategies. Basically they are the
people who make money.
After investment managers decide a strategy, let's say long AAPL 100M and
hedged using SPX, execution team will try to find the best way to execute
the trades (when, what, how, with whom). There are traders who execute the
trades, and trading support who enter trade, verify trade, amend trade and
prepare trading/risk report. Generally, trading is not a prestige job in buy
side, compared with sell-side.
So as a trading support, you are not doing any strategy related research. It
is usually considered as a boring job since you need to a lot manual/
verification work. You may do some risk job if ur company doesn't have risk
team.
It is definitely not a tough job, but also not a 9-5 one. I think the hour
expectation should be 8-6 or 7-6.
The career path is usually lead to senior operation staff in large fund or
bank. I think similar bank may have a better career since the people you
serve have more power (trader makes profit in bank)
If your company is small, it is possible that trader is one of the
investment team member, then you have a much better career path.

d*y2012-03-08 08:03

21 楼

恩，你说的verify trades好像我这个offer都没有，确定我们说的是一个类型？
我的理解是产品不同，trade support内容也不同？
因为这个组没有research也没有trade execution之类的活计，只是manage大概30多个
MBS/CDO portfolio，在reinvestment period之间trade一些loan之类的，我这个活计
就是investor report，然后做一些分析，比如说买这个loan，整个portfolio tests会
不会失败阿，卖了那个，portfolio是不是breach test拉~
verify trades有另外的settlement team在做。
难道是各个银行组职位也不同？

shop)
,
the

【在 Y******u 的大作中提到】

: firstly, you need to know what buy side is.
: There are mainly three areas in traditional buy side (not quant or hft shop)
: Investment research is the most prestige (and best paid) area, includes PM,
: Investment Analyst and Quantitative Analyst. All those people are making
: decision or pitching ideas of investment strategies. Basically they are the
: people who make money.
: After investment managers decide a strategy, let's say long AAPL 100M and
: hedged using SPX, execution team will try to find the best way to execute
: the trades (when, what, how, with whom). There are traders who execute the
: trades, and trading support who enter trade, verify trade, amend trade and

Y*u2012-03-08 08:03

22 楼

It is possible that we are not talking about same type of job. If you want
to post your job description (on job application/listing page), we may give
more detail

【在 d*****y 的大作中提到】

: 恩，你说的verify trades好像我这个offer都没有，确定我们说的是一个类型？
: 我的理解是产品不同，trade support内容也不同？
: 因为这个组没有research也没有trade execution之类的活计，只是manage大概30多个
: MBS/CDO portfolio，在reinvestment period之间trade一些loan之类的，我这个活计
: 就是investor report，然后做一些分析，比如说买这个loan，整个portfolio tests会
: 不会失败阿，卖了那个，portfolio是不是breach test拉~
: verify trades有另外的settlement team在做。
: 难道是各个银行组职位也不同？
:
: shop)

r*t2012-03-08 08:03

23 楼

This is a good front desk job supporting traders and portfolio managers in a
small hedge fund.
Probably 100%-200% bonus if portfolios are successful. Assuming your base
is around $100k.
If you don't want to go, I would like to go. I will pay you $1000 cash
today as referral --- you refund me 75% if I don't get hired.

【在 d*****y 的大作中提到】

: 恩，你说的verify trades好像我这个offer都没有，确定我们说的是一个类型？
: 我的理解是产品不同，trade support内容也不同？
: 因为这个组没有research也没有trade execution之类的活计，只是manage大概30多个
: MBS/CDO portfolio，在reinvestment period之间trade一些loan之类的，我这个活计
: 就是investor report，然后做一些分析，比如说买这个loan，整个portfolio tests会
: 不会失败阿，卖了那个，portfolio是不是breach test拉~
: verify trades有另外的settlement team在做。
: 难道是各个银行组职位也不同？
:
: shop)

B*52012-03-08 08:03

24 楼

蛮不错的工作，你的背景正合适啊～

【在 d*****y 的大作中提到】

: 哈哈，我是原贴主。
: 疑问就是，trade support/ops本来就是middle office吧。为什么工作无聊呢？这个
: job offer说明产品是CDO/MBS/IRS之类的，所以大部分时间都在review investor
: reports，计算interest/shortfall/WAS/WARF神马的。
: 我个人觉得内容还可以了，不知道是不是我漏掉了什么？
: 如果不做这个，不想去front office，也不会编程的大妈（光有一个金融master）还能
: 在金融公司干什么呢？
: 谢谢大牛！
:
: front

a*n2012-03-08 08:03

25 楼

在金融行业做IT，就是给别人打下手，饿不死也赚不到钱，如果你想赚钱就尽早转行