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发信人: umutata (土著人), 信区: Military
标 题: 此文一出，“老印团结”的神话瞬间破灭了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue May 27 12:40:44 2014, 美东)
我来个摘要：
印度人之间由于语言宗教不同，派系复杂，歧视严重。美国IT业都被印度东南部两个邦
的人把持，只招自己人，不招外种族的人，甚至连其他地域族群的印度人也不招。让这
些人把持IT业，不但是白人，黑人，华人等所有族裔的灾难，也是绝大多数印度人（他
们那个特定小圈子的人除外）的灾难。
在这些印度人小圈子“团结”的表象背后，是各种肮脏的内幕。老印高管剥削下级印度
人，任意奴役侮辱，下级为了保住他们的工作，常常要向上级行贿。他们还开设很多咨
询公司（应该是ICC之流），滥用H1B名额，剥削压榨印度人。
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发信人: oba (欧巴), 信区: Military
标 题: 看到一个阿三揭露老印们如何整烂美国
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue May 27 11:33:15 2014, 美东)
有黑幕三帮忙美帝三十年内将不攻自破。可惜自恨的职场国人还不觉醒。
http://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2014/05/07/many-h4-visa-hol
RKsharma2012 • 16 days ago
For last few days I am reading in media, that US authorities may
consider option of giving EAD to spouses of H1Bs. I want to bring few
points to your notice from an insider perspective.
1.I will say adding more EAD/H1Bs are not going to benefit US economy
unless senior authorities in US fix some underlying Issues.
2.US
IT industry is controlled by Indians from only two states in India,
Tamil Naidu and Andhra pradesh, as you know India is a diverse country
with different languages and cultures with lot of discrimination and
infighting among various sections.
Coming back to point, people from Tamil Naidu and Andhra Pradesh working
in IT field recruit people only from their region, villages etc. A mass
trend is going on (in USA) where Managers from same community are being
paid cut under the table (which is called bribe in US) to keep people
from his/her community. There is no hiring whatsoever of any Americans,
technical reason given are, person is not fit for team, or doesn't have
skill set, US CEOs are told that Indians will work for cheap than
Americans but if you take into account; fixing, testing, delayed and
shelved projects, there are negligible savings in the end for US
businesses.
3.Practices like slavery, disrespect, dirty politics,
discrimination,exploitation are being ported from India in quantified
magnitude to USA, look at any IT company what is reality, Indians can't
work with anybody except people from Tamil Naidu (Hyper sensitive
managers with high end ego) and Andhra (people with fraud degrees,
resumes and fake work experience), whatever America has progressed in
200-300 years especially in fields like HR, social sciences will be
lost. There won't be any new Innovation because slowly and steadily
culture of slavery, nepotism has become norm in last 15 yrs, right now
it is at peak in US IT industry.
If this goes on there will be complete elimination of all HR concepts
taught in top B schools in USA like Harvard,Columbia, Stanford, MIT,
Wharton etc, ground reality is Indians know only one thing, manage by
threat, this style doesn't work in knowledge era, so they won't ever
hire Americans or natives, technical suggestions or excuses may vary but
this is ground reality. Lot of H1B from these states are working with
fake degrees and by just paying bribes to managers of their own
community.
One way to tackle this mess is, don't allow any H1Bs to work on third
party site which is known in Industry as staffing/Client site, well if
someone wants to hire an Einstein, let them keep Einstein inside the
company.
4. All recruiting activities in US IT industry are outsourced, people
sitting in India in Tamil Naidu and Andhra Pradesh are using magic
jack/Vonage phones to call candidates in US, then they push profile of
these candidates to American businesses, one company who is actual
sponsor of H1B hands over resume to second company and so on till resume
reaches desk of a Manager working with end client in USA like Citibank,
all these middle men keep charging money every hour by claiming on
paper that they are actual sponsor of H1B candidate.
Nowhere in world is; this practice going on, people sitting in India are
controlling US market and because of their own financial interest they
make changes in resume to make it look like 100% fit with job
requirements. Local Americans are not preferred as locals are aware of
their rights and don't want to get exploited.
Indian companies especially in New Jersey/California area sponsor H1Bs,
then approach is to exploit other Indians and make money, once cycle of
one Indian gets completed, he/she starts same cycle again to exploit
other Indians by opening a consulting company (which in reality does
staffing services as explained), these companies, lie and lie, hire few
Indians on H1 and continue cycle of exploitation for years. These
companies take one apartment on rent and during bench period; put other
Indians (whose H1B they sponsor)like animals in one apartment(so no
expenditure either to boost US economy, rather there is burden on
natural ecosystem).
5. Finally I understand cases in US are decided based on facts and not
emotions, I have brought few observations/facts into your notice and am
praying before you to make a system which is fair to local Americans
(Black,white,Women,Spanish etc), this way everybody will be happy and in
my opinion giving EAD to H4 is not good, you are adding new people to
work force (which will increase nepotism, favoritism, bribery etc)
without fixing underlying issues.
In my humble opinion, practically there should be two actions first; as part
of legal immigration overhaul.
Action 1.
H1B candidates shouldn't be allowed to work at third party, also
referred as client site, example can be Citibank. Companies in US should
be allowed to sponsor H1B with caveat that keep person in-house,
Companies can't market the H1B person to others. This clause may reduce
lot of existing problems.
Action 2.
There should not be any layer involved between end client and H1 Sponsor
company, I am sure with this; all fraudulent Indian companies in New
Jersey/California who are gaming US immigration system will get closed,
since these people don't do hard work, they are just exploiting other
Indians in name of H1 sponsorship. Also American CEOs should be
requested to hire diverse people in IT teams across USA so that monopoly
gets broken.
I hope my observations and prayer can make difference to lives of all
humans who are part of this great country known as America on planet
earth. I was honest in bringing facts to your notice since due to
political correctness nobody including media is thinking/stating about
ground reality.
With this I rest my humble prayer before you.
Best Regards,
RK Sharma
Indian IT professional
发信人: umutata (土著人), 信区: Military
标 题: 此文一出，“老印团结”的神话瞬间破灭了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue May 27 12:40:44 2014, 美东)
我来个摘要：
印度人之间由于语言宗教不同，派系复杂，歧视严重。美国IT业都被印度东南部两个邦
的人把持，只招自己人，不招外种族的人，甚至连其他地域族群的印度人也不招。让这
些人把持IT业，不但是白人，黑人，华人等所有族裔的灾难，也是绝大多数印度人（他
们那个特定小圈子的人除外）的灾难。
在这些印度人小圈子“团结”的表象背后，是各种肮脏的内幕。老印高管剥削下级印度
人，任意奴役侮辱，下级为了保住他们的工作，常常要向上级行贿。他们还开设很多咨
询公司（应该是ICC之流），滥用H1B名额，剥削压榨印度人。
--------------------------------------
发信人: oba (欧巴), 信区: Military
标 题: 看到一个阿三揭露老印们如何整烂美国
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue May 27 11:33:15 2014, 美东)
有黑幕三帮忙美帝三十年内将不攻自破。可惜自恨的职场国人还不觉醒。
http://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2014/05/07/many-h4-visa-hol
RKsharma2012 • 16 days ago
For last few days I am reading in media, that US authorities may
consider option of giving EAD to spouses of H1Bs. I want to bring few
points to your notice from an insider perspective.
1.I will say adding more EAD/H1Bs are not going to benefit US economy
unless senior authorities in US fix some underlying Issues.
2.US
IT industry is controlled by Indians from only two states in India,
Tamil Naidu and Andhra pradesh, as you know India is a diverse country
with different languages and cultures with lot of discrimination and
infighting among various sections.
Coming back to point, people from Tamil Naidu and Andhra Pradesh working
in IT field recruit people only from their region, villages etc. A mass
trend is going on (in USA) where Managers from same community are being
paid cut under the table (which is called bribe in US) to keep people
from his/her community. There is no hiring whatsoever of any Americans,
technical reason given are, person is not fit for team, or doesn't have
skill set, US CEOs are told that Indians will work for cheap than
Americans but if you take into account; fixing, testing, delayed and
shelved projects, there are negligible savings in the end for US
businesses.
3.Practices like slavery, disrespect, dirty politics,
discrimination,exploitation are being ported from India in quantified
magnitude to USA, look at any IT company what is reality, Indians can't
work with anybody except people from Tamil Naidu (Hyper sensitive
managers with high end ego) and Andhra (people with fraud degrees,
resumes and fake work experience), whatever America has progressed in
200-300 years especially in fields like HR, social sciences will be
lost. There won't be any new Innovation because slowly and steadily
culture of slavery, nepotism has become norm in last 15 yrs, right now
it is at peak in US IT industry.
If this goes on there will be complete elimination of all HR concepts
taught in top B schools in USA like Harvard,Columbia, Stanford, MIT,
Wharton etc, ground reality is Indians know only one thing, manage by
threat, this style doesn't work in knowledge era, so they won't ever
hire Americans or natives, technical suggestions or excuses may vary but
this is ground reality. Lot of H1B from these states are working with
fake degrees and by just paying bribes to managers of their own
community.
One way to tackle this mess is, don't allow any H1Bs to work on third
party site which is known in Industry as staffing/Client site, well if
someone wants to hire an Einstein, let them keep Einstein inside the
company.
4. All recruiting activities in US IT industry are outsourced, people
sitting in India in Tamil Naidu and Andhra Pradesh are using magic
jack/Vonage phones to call candidates in US, then they push profile of
these candidates to American businesses, one company who is actual
sponsor of H1B hands over resume to second company and so on till resume
reaches desk of a Manager working with end client in USA like Citibank,
all these middle men keep charging money every hour by claiming on
paper that they are actual sponsor of H1B candidate.
Nowhere in world is; this practice going on, people sitting in India are
controlling US market and because of their own financial interest they
make changes in resume to make it look like 100% fit with job
requirements. Local Americans are not preferred as locals are aware of
their rights and don't want to get exploited.
Indian companies especially in New Jersey/California area sponsor H1Bs,
then approach is to exploit other Indians and make money, once cycle of
one Indian gets completed, he/she starts same cycle again to exploit
other Indians by opening a consulting company (which in reality does
staffing services as explained), these companies, lie and lie, hire few
Indians on H1 and continue cycle of exploitation for years. These
companies take one apartment on rent and during bench period; put other
Indians (whose H1B they sponsor)like animals in one apartment(so no
expenditure either to boost US economy, rather there is burden on
natural ecosystem).
5. Finally I understand cases in US are decided based on facts and not
emotions, I have brought few observations/facts into your notice and am
praying before you to make a system which is fair to local Americans
(Black,white,Women,Spanish etc), this way everybody will be happy and in
my opinion giving EAD to H4 is not good, you are adding new people to
work force (which will increase nepotism, favoritism, bribery etc)
without fixing underlying issues.
In my humble opinion, practically there should be two actions first; as part
of legal immigration overhaul.
Action 1.
H1B candidates shouldn't be allowed to work at third party, also
referred as client site, example can be Citibank. Companies in US should
be allowed to sponsor H1B with caveat that keep person in-house,
Companies can't market the H1B person to others. This clause may reduce
lot of existing problems.
Action 2.
There should not be any layer involved between end client and H1 Sponsor
company, I am sure with this; all fraudulent Indian companies in New
Jersey/California who are gaming US immigration system will get closed,
since these people don't do hard work, they are just exploiting other
Indians in name of H1 sponsorship. Also American CEOs should be
requested to hire diverse people in IT teams across USA so that monopoly
gets broken.
I hope my observations and prayer can make difference to lives of all
humans who are part of this great country known as America on planet
earth. I was honest in bringing facts to your notice since due to
political correctness nobody including media is thinking/stating about
ground reality.
With this I rest my humble prayer before you.
Best Regards,
RK Sharma
Indian IT professional