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a*z2012-12-13 08:12

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好不容易老板支持EB1B。可是，昨天Conference call，结果律师说再等３个月，your
case is not strong。已经等了半年了。是不是律师听HR的？
律师似乎完全不懂EB1B。她竟然说EB1B有１０条标准满足２条。publication要２０。
文章要被别人实际应用。哎。。。。
我这条件够EB1B吗？NIW 够吗?? Cancer gene therapy.
== Publications - English 5 (IF 3-7) and Chinese 5; 2 book chapters and some
abstract.
== Citations - Total 55. English paper 29 and Chinese paper 26. Most English
papers are recently published. 哎。。。。
== Judge - >35 times. IF 1 - 5.9.
== online media reports by NewRx etc.
** One paper has been highlighted with commentary like "innovitve approach .
.. is suppior to old method. definitely advantage in vivo."
** The other paper has been cited in a review - "uncommon... rare..."
** One book is described as "one of the most highly respected"
没信心.....

s*d2012-12-13 08:12

2 楼

不怕一万就怕万一。。。。
大家说说要怎么做？
我今晚开始床边放一锅盖，有事往外跑的时候也可以挡一下啥的。。
欢迎补充

d*s2012-12-13 08:12

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【以下文字转载自 GunsAndGears 讨论区】
发信人: kickok (Time is money, friend!), 信区: GunsAndGears
标题: 一记响亮的耳光，伊利诺伊终于解放了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Dec 12 22:06:56 2012, 美东)
2012.12.12，美国第七巡回法院郑重宣判，伊利诺伊州对公民携带CCW的禁令无效，严
重违反美国宪法第二修正案：美国公民有持枪保护自己的自由。这一判决，标志着全美
国最后一个顽固的堡垒，奥巴马的发祥地，伊利诺伊州，终于摆脱了liberal们的魔爪。
伊利诺伊州，这个号称美国历史上最伟大总统林肯的州，曾经是自由民主的典范。拥有
芝加哥，背靠五大湖，经济繁荣。然而自从上个世纪90年代以来，伊利诺伊州变得越来
越liberal,也越来越腐败。短短十几年，伊利诺伊已经有好几个州长因为贪腐锒铛入狱
。谁当了伊利诺伊州的州长，谁就可能成为晚间节目的笑柄。前民主党州长，现在的阶
下囚Rod Blagojevich竟然将奥巴马的参议员空缺都明码标价，转手倒卖，可见此州腐
败到何等地步。
而芝加哥呢，这个昔日的美国明珠，早已被民主党们折腾得面目全非，失去了原来的模
样。成为谋杀者的天堂，工会的乐土，黑帮的集聚地。截至10月29日，芝加哥已经有
436人被杀死，平均每天接近2人。上至七八十岁的老人，下至几岁的小孩，都无法幸免
。要知道，这可是一个禁止携枪的州呀!
奥巴马及其支持者可能永远也不明白，为什么禁止人民有枪，人民越不安全？为什么拿
走他们的武器，他们越发容易被武器击中？他们可能忘记了，任何人要获得CCW，必须
经过严格的背景调查和审核。那些最终拿到CCW的，都是奉公守法，有责任感的公民。
他们拥枪，是他们行使宪法赋予的权利，不到没有退路，任何守法的公民都不会轻易扣
动扳机。
而那些黑帮，混混们，他们可不在乎什么CCW，因为他们知道自己永远也拿不到。就算
禁枪，他们还是有办法拿到武器。他们可以为一顿晚餐结果一个外卖郎的性命，可以为
20块钱把你打几个窟窿，也可以为满足生殖器官的欲望用枪胁迫你的女友。
在这个法制的社会里，如果人人守法，那的确没有需要枪的必要。否则，你防得了君子
，却永远防不了小人。Liberal们可能永远也不明白这个道理。他们眼中的世界，都是
美好的。他们眼中的人，不管黑白，都是善良的。在他们梦中的理想社会，也许最后看
到的，是飞向他们的那颗乌黑的子弹。
今日的判决，让伊利诺伊的liberal们如丧考妣。但我却要拍手称快，这是自由的胜利
，这是宪法的胜利，这是人民的胜利。

h*l2012-12-13 08:12

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你们专业，你的case的确不够强。。。。。
谁听谁的，这个你去问了才知道

your
some
English

【在 a*******z 的大作中提到】

: 好不容易老板支持EB1B。可是，昨天Conference call，结果律师说再等３个月，your
: case is not strong。已经等了半年了。是不是律师听HR的？
: 律师似乎完全不懂EB1B。她竟然说EB1B有１０条标准满足２条。publication要２０。
: 文章要被别人实际应用。哎。。。。
: 我这条件够EB1B吗？NIW 够吗?? Cancer gene therapy.
: == Publications - English 5 (IF 3-7) and Chinese 5; 2 book chapters and some
: abstract.
: == Citations - Total 55. English paper 29 and Chinese paper 26. Most English
: papers are recently published. 哎。。。。
: == Judge - >35 times. IF 1 - 5.9.

c*n2012-12-13 08:12

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男生们可以收集自己的精液用来放辐射了
女生们如果帮男生收集，精液一律免费赠送

【在 s*******d 的大作中提到】

: 不怕一万就怕万一。。。。
: 大家说说要怎么做？
: 我今晚开始床边放一锅盖，有事往外跑的时候也可以挡一下啥的。。
: 欢迎补充

h*k2012-12-13 08:12

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googled: CCW = Concealed Carry Weapon

x*w2012-12-13 08:12

7 楼

1b可以上了,谁听谁的,我们也不知道.
我建议把你的case发给几个移民律师评估一下,如果他们说你的case够强了,你再去和你
老板谈谈.应该你老板能做主吧.实在不行就抛开那个律师自己干.只需要HR出证明材料
和签字即可.

s*d2012-12-13 08:12

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你男的女的？

【在 c******n 的大作中提到】

: 男生们可以收集自己的精液用来放辐射了
: 女生们如果帮男生收集，精液一律免费赠送

l*e2012-12-13 08:12

9 楼

why joke?

j*n2012-12-13 08:12

10 楼

your
some
English
生物方面的eb1b 我觉得你是够条件了不过这种完全仰仗employer的脸色了
我觉得你值得再去跟老板argue一次如果老板最终还是不支持（或许他有别的考虑？）
那你也就只好等了。

【在 a*******z 的大作中提到】

: 好不容易老板支持EB1B。可是，昨天Conference call，结果律师说再等３个月，your
: case is not strong。已经等了半年了。是不是律师听HR的？
: 律师似乎完全不懂EB1B。她竟然说EB1B有１０条标准满足２条。publication要２０。
: 文章要被别人实际应用。哎。。。。
: 我这条件够EB1B吗？NIW 够吗?? Cancer gene therapy.
: == Publications - English 5 (IF 3-7) and Chinese 5; 2 book chapters and some
: abstract.
: == Citations - Total 55. English paper 29 and Chinese paper 26. Most English
: papers are recently published. 哎。。。。
: == Judge - >35 times. IF 1 - 5.9.

r*c2012-12-13 08:12

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结果辐射云没来，人精尽而亡

【在 c******n 的大作中提到】

: 男生们可以收集自己的精液用来放辐射了
: 女生们如果帮男生收集，精液一律免费赠送

w*g2012-12-13 08:12

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Why own a gun? Where do you put it? If you have children, how do you hide it
from your children?
Even if you have a gun, why do you want to carry it when you go out? What is
the odds that you will ever get to use it? I have been in the US for 17
years and not even once that I feel like I need to use a gun. Even if I feel
that I need to use a gun, it is probably not the sane thing to do. There
are just so many better choices than pulling out a gun and shoot.
If you feel you need hand gun or a rifle, why stop there? How about a
machine gun? How about a cannon? How about a tank? How about a rocket? How
about a missile?
The only reason that I think a gun is useful is for hunting. There is just
so very opportunities to do hunting nowadays.

a*z2012-12-13 08:12

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我这条件NIW 够吗?
完全没信心

T*e2012-12-13 08:12

14 楼

刚从amazon上买了口铁锅

【在 s*******d 的大作中提到】

: 不怕一万就怕万一。。。。
: 大家说说要怎么做？
: 我今晚开始床边放一锅盖，有事往外跑的时候也可以挡一下啥的。。
: 欢迎补充

d*s2012-12-13 08:12

15 楼

wait for the comments, you will know

【在 l*****e 的大作中提到】

: why joke?

T*u2012-12-13 08:12

16 楼

很多单位的律师都不错，很多连p都不懂，但是很懂磨洋工。

s*d2012-12-13 08:12

17 楼

赞，够大吗？

【在 T*********e 的大作中提到】

: 刚从amazon上买了口铁锅

n*e2012-12-13 08:12

18 楼

it
这个问题真想讨论可以去枪版。有很多现成的例子和答案。
is
feel
如果一辈子遇不到那是最好。
不能买machine gun, cannon, missile是因为违法。坦克拆了武器系统之后可以买。咱
玩枪那也是要依法玩枪。

【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】

: Why own a gun? Where do you put it? If you have children, how do you hide it
: from your children?
: Even if you have a gun, why do you want to carry it when you go out? What is
: the odds that you will ever get to use it? I have been in the US for 17
: years and not even once that I feel like I need to use a gun. Even if I feel
: that I need to use a gun, it is probably not the sane thing to do. There
: are just so many better choices than pulling out a gun and shoot.
: If you feel you need hand gun or a rifle, why stop there? How about a
: machine gun? How about a cannon? How about a tank? How about a rocket? How
: about a missile?

K*N2012-12-13 08:12

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我觉得1B够了。claim publication和judgement

T*e2012-12-13 08:12

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盖在后背上没问题

【在 s*******d 的大作中提到】

: 赞，够大吗？

d*s2012-12-13 08:12

21 楼

I understand your reason for not having a gun for yourself, and I respect
your right for NOT having guns. Do you respect others' right for owning guns?
That is my only question.
Too many libertards want to ban guns. Other than 2nd amendment, it is the
right of civilian. Even in China, Mafias will have their ways to get guns.
According to statistics, areas with more CCW licenses have a much lower rate
of criminals. Because the "cost" of robbery or other illegal acts are high,
they could lost their lives from that.
About your questions, which is also libertards kept mentioned, there are
several solutions.
- Why own a gun? 2 reasons, home/self-defense and interest. 1st reason are
the major concern which nobody wish they would need a gun for that. But it
never hurts for getting prepared, isn't it?
- Where to put your guns? For self-defense, i.e. CCW, you need to carry it
with you. There are several choices for concealed carry holsters. For home
defense, you need to put it somewhere easy to access, yet out of reach from
others. A gun safe will be ideal for this situation.
- What if you have kids, how do you keep guns away from them? This is a very
good question. Never think there is some place in your home that kids could
not reach, this is a common sense among my gun owner friends. Lock your
long guns away in a stationary gun case, and lock your pistol in a separate
small gun safe near you for easy access. I will buy some nice gun safe if I
have kids or if owning my house. Owning guns have a great amount of
responsibility. "Lock-away" is part of the solution. Education is more
important. I will teach them firearm safety as early as possible. Maybe
buying them a 22LR rifle at adequate age.

it
is
feel

【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】

: Why own a gun? Where do you put it? If you have children, how do you hide it
: from your children?
: Even if you have a gun, why do you want to carry it when you go out? What is
: the odds that you will ever get to use it? I have been in the US for 17
: years and not even once that I feel like I need to use a gun. Even if I feel
: that I need to use a gun, it is probably not the sane thing to do. There
: are just so many better choices than pulling out a gun and shoot.
: If you feel you need hand gun or a rifle, why stop there? How about a
: machine gun? How about a cannon? How about a tank? How about a rocket? How
: about a missile?

M*t2012-12-13 08:12

22 楼

乌龟？

【在 T*********e 的大作中提到】

: 盖在后背上没问题

n*t2012-12-13 08:12

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Sometime the option itself is much more important than the possible choices.

it
is
feel

【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】

: Why own a gun? Where do you put it? If you have children, how do you hide it
: from your children?
: Even if you have a gun, why do you want to carry it when you go out? What is
: the odds that you will ever get to use it? I have been in the US for 17
: years and not even once that I feel like I need to use a gun. Even if I feel
: that I need to use a gun, it is probably not the sane thing to do. There
: are just so many better choices than pulling out a gun and shoot.
: If you feel you need hand gun or a rifle, why stop there? How about a
: machine gun? How about a cannon? How about a tank? How about a rocket? How
: about a missile?

s*d2012-12-13 08:12

24 楼

你不是本来后背就有块盖吗？LOL

【在 T*********e 的大作中提到】

: 盖在后背上没问题

h*n2012-12-13 08:12

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CCW对芝加哥的治安改善会有正面作用。
Skokie这个地名芝加哥版上的人都应该知道吧，三十年前，Skokie/Morton Grove地区是
最早通过禁枪法案的伊利诺伊城镇，禁止镇上除警察以外的普通居民拥枪；作为对此的
回应，佐治亚州的小镇Kennesaw也通过了一项非同寻常的法案，要求普通居民除特殊情
况外必须拥枪。对比一下三十年后，两个地区的变化，会很有意思，这里有一篇2007年
的调查文章：
http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41196/
在强制拥枪法案通过前的1981年，Kennesaw的犯罪率是4,332 per 100,000人，不是一个
十分安全的地方（当年全美平均犯罪率是3,899 per 100,000）。而到了2005年，Kenne
saw的犯罪率降低到2,027 per 100,000。
相比之下，Morton Grove这个安全富裕的芝加哥北郊小镇，其犯罪率在他们的禁枪法案
通过后的第二年就飙涨了15.7%，同年Cook县的犯罪率只上升了3%。到2005年，Morton
Grove的犯罪率是 2,268 per 100,000，比Kennesaw还稍高。
事实胜于雄辩。

it
is
feel

【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】

: Why own a gun? Where do you put it? If you have children, how do you hide it
: from your children?
: Even if you have a gun, why do you want to carry it when you go out? What is
: the odds that you will ever get to use it? I have been in the US for 17
: years and not even once that I feel like I need to use a gun. Even if I feel
: that I need to use a gun, it is probably not the sane thing to do. There
: are just so many better choices than pulling out a gun and shoot.
: If you feel you need hand gun or a rifle, why stop there? How about a
: machine gun? How about a cannon? How about a tank? How about a rocket? How
: about a missile?

w*k2012-12-13 08:12

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我刚想吃的，但是还是觉得太恶心了

【在 c******n 的大作中提到】

: 男生们可以收集自己的精液用来放辐射了
: 女生们如果帮男生收集，精液一律免费赠送

h*n2012-12-13 08:12

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Virginia拥枪率目前处于历史最高点，而暴力犯罪率则是30年来最低。
http://reason.com/blog/2012/11/27/virginia-enjoys-rising-gun-ow

it
is
feel

【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】

: Why own a gun? Where do you put it? If you have children, how do you hide it
: from your children?
: Even if you have a gun, why do you want to carry it when you go out? What is
: the odds that you will ever get to use it? I have been in the US for 17
: years and not even once that I feel like I need to use a gun. Even if I feel
: that I need to use a gun, it is probably not the sane thing to do. There
: are just so many better choices than pulling out a gun and shoot.
: If you feel you need hand gun or a rifle, why stop there? How about a
: machine gun? How about a cannon? How about a tank? How about a rocket? How
: about a missile?

g*n2012-12-13 08:12

28 楼

我已经打地铺睡厅里了。离门就2米远。

【在 s*******d 的大作中提到】

: 不怕一万就怕万一。。。。
: 大家说说要怎么做？
: 我今晚开始床边放一锅盖，有事往外跑的时候也可以挡一下啥的。。
: 欢迎补充

d*f2012-12-13 08:12

29 楼

这不是和堕胎一样么，猪党要求自由堕胎，人民群众要求自由带枪，你不能在这个问题
上就搞双重标准啊

it
is
feel

【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】

: Why own a gun? Where do you put it? If you have children, how do you hide it
: from your children?
: Even if you have a gun, why do you want to carry it when you go out? What is
: the odds that you will ever get to use it? I have been in the US for 17
: years and not even once that I feel like I need to use a gun. Even if I feel
: that I need to use a gun, it is probably not the sane thing to do. There
: are just so many better choices than pulling out a gun and shoot.
: If you feel you need hand gun or a rifle, why stop there? How about a
: machine gun? How about a cannon? How about a tank? How about a rocket? How
: about a missile?

s*d2012-12-13 08:12

30 楼

还是太远

【在 g******n 的大作中提到】

: 我已经打地铺睡厅里了。离门就2米远。

n*s2012-12-13 08:12

31 楼

这要压抑到什么程度，动不动要给别人耳光？够变态

q*n2012-12-13 08:12

32 楼

我睡在床底下了。

【在 s*******d 的大作中提到】

: 不怕一万就怕万一。。。。
: 大家说说要怎么做？
: 我今晚开始床边放一锅盖，有事往外跑的时候也可以挡一下啥的。。
: 欢迎补充

N*N2012-12-13 08:12

33 楼

同意，其实耳光都打在这些人自己脸上。

【在 n*****s 的大作中提到】

: 这要压抑到什么程度，动不动要给别人耳光？够变态

M*92012-12-13 08:12

34 楼

床底下可以睡？ @@

【在 q******n 的大作中提到】

: 我睡在床底下了。

c*n2012-12-13 08:12

35 楼

枪版猛男为什么都只敢蒙着脸摆酷？

爪。

【在 d*******s 的大作中提到】

: I understand your reason for not having a gun for yourself, and I respect
: your right for NOT having guns. Do you respect others' right for owning guns?
: That is my only question.
: Too many libertards want to ban guns. Other than 2nd amendment, it is the
: right of civilian. Even in China, Mafias will have their ways to get guns.
: According to statistics, areas with more CCW licenses have a much lower rate
: of criminals. Because the "cost" of robbery or other illegal acts are high,
: they could lost their lives from that.
: About your questions, which is also libertards kept mentioned, there are
: several solutions.

Y*r2012-12-13 08:12

36 楼

我睡车库里好几天了

【在 q******n 的大作中提到】

: 我睡在床底下了。

a*r2012-12-13 08:12

37 楼

和掏家伙怒射笼子里的大白兔比，这算前戏了。

【在 n*****s 的大作中提到】

: 这要压抑到什么程度，动不动要给别人耳光？够变态

T*e2012-12-13 08:12

38 楼

我今晚准备睡地下室了

【在 Y***r 的大作中提到】

: 我睡车库里好几天了

D*y2012-12-13 08:12

39 楼

这跟life insurance一样，没几个人想用得到。

it
is
feel

【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】

: Why own a gun? Where do you put it? If you have children, how do you hide it
: from your children?
: Even if you have a gun, why do you want to carry it when you go out? What is
: the odds that you will ever get to use it? I have been in the US for 17
: years and not even once that I feel like I need to use a gun. Even if I feel
: that I need to use a gun, it is probably not the sane thing to do. There
: are just so many better choices than pulling out a gun and shoot.
: If you feel you need hand gun or a rifle, why stop there? How about a
: machine gun? How about a cannon? How about a tank? How about a rocket? How
: about a missile?

i*a2012-12-13 08:12

40 楼

我今晚不睡了

【在 T*********e 的大作中提到】

: 我今晚准备睡地下室了

H*72012-12-13 08:12

41 楼

支持拥枪

M*92012-12-13 08:12

42 楼

我都一周不睡了。。。

【在 i****a 的大作中提到】

: 我今晚不睡了

w*r2012-12-13 08:12

43 楼

独裁国家呆惯了的娃真可怜。
拥枪是民主最根本的保证。

it
is
feel

【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】

: Why own a gun? Where do you put it? If you have children, how do you hide it
: from your children?
: Even if you have a gun, why do you want to carry it when you go out? What is
: the odds that you will ever get to use it? I have been in the US for 17
: years and not even once that I feel like I need to use a gun. Even if I feel
: that I need to use a gun, it is probably not the sane thing to do. There
: are just so many better choices than pulling out a gun and shoot.
: If you feel you need hand gun or a rifle, why stop there? How about a
: machine gun? How about a cannon? How about a tank? How about a rocket? How
: about a missile?

T*e2012-12-13 08:12

44 楼

楼上两个什么关系，一个马甲，一个马甲王？

【在 M*********9 的大作中提到】

: 我都一周不睡了。。。

t*r2012-12-13 08:12

45 楼

擦，敢情欧洲都是独裁国家

【在 w********r 的大作中提到】

: 独裁国家呆惯了的娃真可怜。
: 拥枪是民主最根本的保证。
:
: it
: is
: feel

M*92012-12-13 08:12

46 楼

不认识。你认识？

【在 T*********e 的大作中提到】

: 楼上两个什么关系，一个马甲，一个马甲王？

N*m2012-12-13 08:12

47 楼

丹麦不如墨西哥民主？
这也能跟独裁扯上，服了。

【在 w********r 的大作中提到】

: 独裁国家呆惯了的娃真可怜。
: 拥枪是民主最根本的保证。
:
: it
: is
: feel

T*e2012-12-13 08:12

48 楼

我认识。。。

【在 M*********9 的大作中提到】

: 不认识。你认识？

t*r2012-12-13 08:12

49 楼

这个倒不一定，劳模狠民主的，大家都拥护毒贩

【在 N*****m 的大作中提到】

: 丹麦不如墨西哥民主？
: 这也能跟独裁扯上，服了。

M*92012-12-13 08:12

50 楼

可俺不认识啊。。俺的名号先闯出来的。。她/他一定是山寨，哈哈。。

【在 T*********e 的大作中提到】

: 我认识。。。

N*m2012-12-13 08:12

51 楼

那就丹麦不如巴基斯坦民主？呵呵

【在 t********r 的大作中提到】

: 这个倒不一定，劳模狠民主的，大家都拥护毒贩

l*t2012-12-13 08:12

52 楼

有什么证据？

【在 M*********9 的大作中提到】

: 可俺不认识啊。。俺的名号先闯出来的。。她/他一定是山寨，哈哈。。

a*w2012-12-13 08:12

53 楼

丹麦还有王室呢，显然是独裁国家。

【在 N*****m 的大作中提到】

: 丹麦不如墨西哥民主？
: 这也能跟独裁扯上，服了。

m*u2012-12-13 08:12

54 楼

他是i马甲......哈哈

【在 M*********9 的大作中提到】

: 可俺不认识啊。。俺的名号先闯出来的。。她/他一定是山寨，哈哈。。

d*f2012-12-13 08:12

55 楼

欧洲你只有成为变态的自由，保持正常人的状态是禁止的

【在 t********r 的大作中提到】

: 擦，敢情欧洲都是独裁国家

m*u2012-12-13 08:12

56 楼

BSO裸睡

【在 s*******d 的大作中提到】

: 不怕一万就怕万一。。。。
: 大家说说要怎么做？
: 我今晚开始床边放一锅盖，有事往外跑的时候也可以挡一下啥的。。
: 欢迎补充

l*k2012-12-13 08:12

57 楼

在美国的老将，只认美国式民主，很正常呵呵

【在 t********r 的大作中提到】

: 擦，敢情欧洲都是独裁国家

a*22012-12-13 08:12

58 楼

围观你顶锅盖跑的画面。。。。。。。别忘了香榧子哟

【在 s*******d 的大作中提到】

: 不怕一万就怕万一。。。。
: 大家说说要怎么做？
: 我今晚开始床边放一锅盖，有事往外跑的时候也可以挡一下啥的。。
: 欢迎补充

w*g2012-12-13 08:12

59 楼

Where did I say that I object you owning a gun?
You can own all the guns that you want to. What I object is to carry
concealed weapon.
When it is legal to carry concealed weapon, you can expect people pulling
out a gun and shoot at any given moment. That is a scary thought.
If you want to use examples like Virginia's crime rate in comparison to
Illinois's, I will say that you are trying to use correlation to prove
causality. Also, the sample size is too small to draw any conclusion.
Chicago is a big city with lots of violent criminals. Virginia on the other
hand has far less concentration of population and criminals.
You think hardened criminals will be scared if you can also pull a gun and
shoot?
Wisconsin recently passed the concealed carry law but all school campuses
prohibit carrying weapon on school including knives and so are all the
government facilities. I can't imagine a private company will allow weapons
either.
What this tells you is that the politicians would rather let people killing
each other on the streets but won't let the same happen in their own
backyard.
It is fine that you can put guns in your own home to protect your family
against intruders. If you go out, there is very few places you can take
weapons too. So most likely you will leave your weapons in your car. That is
almost useless. Once you entered your car, you can get away from almost all
situations.
Now the only chance you may have to use your gun is walking around aimlessly
. But why would do you do that?

guns?
rate
high,

【在 d*******s 的大作中提到】

: I understand your reason for not having a gun for yourself, and I respect
: your right for NOT having guns. Do you respect others' right for owning guns?
: That is my only question.
: Too many libertards want to ban guns. Other than 2nd amendment, it is the
: right of civilian. Even in China, Mafias will have their ways to get guns.
: According to statistics, areas with more CCW licenses have a much lower rate
: of criminals. Because the "cost" of robbery or other illegal acts are high,
: they could lost their lives from that.
: About your questions, which is also libertards kept mentioned, there are
: several solutions.

s*d2012-12-13 08:12

60 楼

。。。。。。。。。。。

【在 m*****u 的大作中提到】

: BSO裸睡

n*e2012-12-13 08:12

61 楼

"When it is legal to carry concealed weapon, you can expect people pulling
out a gun and shoot at any given moment. That is a scary thought."
How many man slaughtering have you heard in a shooting range where everyone
carries a gun? In fact massacre only happens when the gunner has a gun while
the others don't. In a situation where everyone has a gun, the gunman can
expect getting shot from law abiding citizens when he pulled out his gun.
"You think hardened criminals will be scared if you can also pull a gun and
shoot? "
Yes I do.

other

【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】

: Where did I say that I object you owning a gun?
: You can own all the guns that you want to. What I object is to carry
: concealed weapon.
: When it is legal to carry concealed weapon, you can expect people pulling
: out a gun and shoot at any given moment. That is a scary thought.
: If you want to use examples like Virginia's crime rate in comparison to
: Illinois's, I will say that you are trying to use correlation to prove
: causality. Also, the sample size is too small to draw any conclusion.
: Chicago is a big city with lots of violent criminals. Virginia on the other
: hand has far less concentration of population and criminals.

a*22012-12-13 08:12

62 楼

哈哈哈哈马褂V5！这都看出来了。。。。哈哈哈哈
地震来了，这问题还蛮严重的哦
满街都是裸奔的人。。。。。。。。。

【在 m*****u 的大作中提到】

: BSO裸睡

d*f2012-12-13 08:12

63 楼

别动车希腊了，你不如用你这逻辑推演一下，人们怎么随便堕胎杀死健康儿童把，我看
这个场景比拟什么把枪就射现实的多阿

other

【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】

: Where did I say that I object you owning a gun?
: You can own all the guns that you want to. What I object is to carry
: concealed weapon.
: When it is legal to carry concealed weapon, you can expect people pulling
: out a gun and shoot at any given moment. That is a scary thought.
: If you want to use examples like Virginia's crime rate in comparison to
: Illinois's, I will say that you are trying to use correlation to prove
: causality. Also, the sample size is too small to draw any conclusion.
: Chicago is a big city with lots of violent criminals. Virginia on the other
: hand has far less concentration of population and criminals.

s*d2012-12-13 08:12

64 楼

晕死！我说的是挡脑袋，你们都想哪去了，我刚才还在想放锅盖和裸睡有嘛关系呢。。。

【在 a*******2 的大作中提到】

: 哈哈哈哈马褂V5！这都看出来了。。。。哈哈哈哈
: 地震来了，这问题还蛮严重的哦
: 满街都是裸奔的人。。。。。。。。。

w*g2012-12-13 08:12

65 楼

It is not a good example to use shooting range to counter my argument.
People in shooting range don't have argument against each other and it is
very limited environment. I am surprised you didn't use an army base as an
example.
The video below actually proves my point. In Texas, everybody carries gun
and yet the criminals came in, robbed, and shoot. Did it prevent them from
attempting the robbery?
Also, what is the odds that you will win the battle against criminal? Do you
want to take the chance and try to win a gun battle? If losing a few
dollars is all that you need to sacrifice, I think you probably should just
let them take the money.
Finally, the convenient store clerks have gun in their store. It is
completely legal and reasonable. Just like banks have armed guards, I
completely agree that these stores should be equipped with guns. I also
think it is perfectly logical to have guns in your own home if you decide
that this is the right thing to do.

everyone
while
and

【在 n****e 的大作中提到】

: "When it is legal to carry concealed weapon, you can expect people pulling
: out a gun and shoot at any given moment. That is a scary thought."
: How many man slaughtering have you heard in a shooting range where everyone
: carries a gun? In fact massacre only happens when the gunner has a gun while
: the others don't. In a situation where everyone has a gun, the gunman can
: expect getting shot from law abiding citizens when he pulled out his gun.
: "You think hardened criminals will be scared if you can also pull a gun and
: shoot? "
: Yes I do.
:

a*22012-12-13 08:12

66 楼

哈哈哈哈

。。

【在 s*******d 的大作中提到】

: 晕死！我说的是挡脑袋，你们都想哪去了，我刚才还在想放锅盖和裸睡有嘛关系呢。。。

d*s2012-12-13 08:12

67 楼

If you moved to Swiss, government will issue you a full-auto weapon. Cannot
reject.

【在 t********r 的大作中提到】

: 擦，敢情欧洲都是独裁国家

x*i2012-12-13 08:12

68 楼

以？听说你那儿有好吃的？

【在 a*******2 的大作中提到】

: 围观你顶锅盖跑的画面。。。。。。。别忘了香榧子哟

d*s2012-12-13 08:12

69 楼

What you concern is reasonable, and that's why we need to train and taking
test to apply for CCW license. All CCW owner will have their 10 finger print
recorded, also a FBI level background check. I don't blame you for lack of
knowledge on CCW, it's always been good if you could take a CCW course and
see what they teach their. Don't believe in those libertards' education, if
you attend a CCW course, you will know why I say so.
And yes, I do think something like the Aurora cinema shooting would be
better if any of them could have a CCW weapon and shot down that "mathar-
fakar" other than waiting for people to breach the lock from outside.
Actually, AR jamming saved several lives in at lease 2 cases. And you will
see what kind people they are. A well range-educated people can fix jamming
easily.

other

【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】

: Where did I say that I object you owning a gun?
: You can own all the guns that you want to. What I object is to carry
: concealed weapon.
: When it is legal to carry concealed weapon, you can expect people pulling
: out a gun and shoot at any given moment. That is a scary thought.
: If you want to use examples like Virginia's crime rate in comparison to
: Illinois's, I will say that you are trying to use correlation to prove
: causality. Also, the sample size is too small to draw any conclusion.
: Chicago is a big city with lots of violent criminals. Virginia on the other
: hand has far less concentration of population and criminals.

m*u2012-12-13 08:12

70 楼

脑袋用锅盖挡不住吧。。。。

。。

【在 s*******d 的大作中提到】

: 晕死！我说的是挡脑袋，你们都想哪去了，我刚才还在想放锅盖和裸睡有嘛关系呢。。。

d*s2012-12-13 08:12

71 楼

How many billions do you have, so that a "hardened criminal" as you said
would set you as a target?
And yes, if any retarded people could conceal carry would be scary. That's
why many states set open carry as legal without a permit.

"You think hardened criminals will be scared if you can also pull a gun and
shoot? "

【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】

: It is not a good example to use shooting range to counter my argument.
: People in shooting range don't have argument against each other and it is
: very limited environment. I am surprised you didn't use an army base as an
: example.
: The video below actually proves my point. In Texas, everybody carries gun
: and yet the criminals came in, robbed, and shoot. Did it prevent them from
: attempting the robbery?
: Also, what is the odds that you will win the battle against criminal? Do you
: want to take the chance and try to win a gun battle? If losing a few
: dollars is all that you need to sacrifice, I think you probably should just

s*d2012-12-13 08:12

72 楼

我头没你大。。。

【在 m*****u 的大作中提到】

: 脑袋用锅盖挡不住吧。。。。
:
: 。。

N*N2012-12-13 08:12

73 楼

也门沙特笑而不语

【在 w********r 的大作中提到】

: 独裁国家呆惯了的娃真可怜。
: 拥枪是民主最根本的保证。
:
: it
: is
: feel

q*n2012-12-13 08:12

74 楼

恩，我的床是简易床。
四个脚撑起来的。

【在 M*********9 的大作中提到】

: 床底下可以睡？ @@

N*N2012-12-13 08:12

75 楼

那个国家叫做Switzerland...

Cannot

【在 d*******s 的大作中提到】

: If you moved to Swiss, government will issue you a full-auto weapon. Cannot
: reject.

q*n2012-12-13 08:12

76 楼

睡车底下味道很大吧，都是汽油味。

【在 Y***r 的大作中提到】

: 我睡车库里好几天了

w*g2012-12-13 08:12

77 楼

I think any thugs that rob a convenient store would qualify as a hardened
criminal. I don't think they will think twice to rob you even if you may
carry a weapon.
Unless you can draw your gun faster than the robber can pull his trigger,
you will lose the fight.
I lived in cities where everyone can carry a gun and where you can buy a
rifle without even needing a permit, I still hear about shooting death
almost daily. It is no help I tell you.
Don't think you are safer just because you carry a gun. You are more likely
to shoot yourself in the leg or hurt your children than using it to defend
your property.

and

【在 d*******s 的大作中提到】

: How many billions do you have, so that a "hardened criminal" as you said
: would set you as a target?
: And yes, if any retarded people could conceal carry would be scary. That's
: why many states set open carry as legal without a permit.
:
: "You think hardened criminals will be scared if you can also pull a gun and
: shoot? "

Y*r2012-12-13 08:12

78 楼

额。。。怎么看出来我睡车底下的？

【在 q******n 的大作中提到】

: 睡车底下味道很大吧，都是汽油味。

w*g2012-12-13 08:12

79 楼

看不懂这个是什么思路.

【在 d********f 的大作中提到】

: 别动车希腊了，你不如用你这逻辑推演一下，人们怎么随便堕胎杀死健康儿童把，我看
: 这个场景比拟什么把枪就射现实的多阿
:
: other

d*s2012-12-13 08:12

80 楼

Only retards will draw his gun when being pointed by a gun. Of course you
need to wait for distraction. Obviously you don't know what CCW means, and
how much training it requires
想到一句中国俗话，没有任何贬低的意思，就是＂夏虫不足语冰＂。凡事不能拍脑袋想
当然，要去了解

likely

【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】

: I think any thugs that rob a convenient store would qualify as a hardened
: criminal. I don't think they will think twice to rob you even if you may
: carry a weapon.
: Unless you can draw your gun faster than the robber can pull his trigger,
: you will lose the fight.
: I lived in cities where everyone can carry a gun and where you can buy a
: rifle without even needing a permit, I still hear about shooting death
: almost daily. It is no help I tell you.
: Don't think you are safer just because you carry a gun. You are more likely
: to shoot yourself in the leg or hurt your children than using it to defend

d*s2012-12-13 08:12

81 楼

I lived in a small city called Beijing for 23 years. I heard all kind of
crap happened there. It ban guns so sure, but I will keep my CCW pocket
knife with me, just in case.
你最后一句体现很多国人抵制枪的原因，因为不了解，所以恐惧，因为恐惧，所以不愿
了解，宁可把头扎土里。Being a physician, i would rather risk my leg to keep
my family safe.
说到对枪的初始恐惧，挡中央的洗脑教育功不可没，就像我们一直学的，国民党不抵抗
，八年抗战全靠土共地道战，地雷战，游击战取得胜利。小时我曾经坚信不疑。对枪应
该持有适度的敬畏，出事的都是以为自己可以完全驾驭了。但没必要恐惧

likely

【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】

: I think any thugs that rob a convenient store would qualify as a hardened
: criminal. I don't think they will think twice to rob you even if you may
: carry a weapon.
: Unless you can draw your gun faster than the robber can pull his trigger,
: you will lose the fight.
: I lived in cities where everyone can carry a gun and where you can buy a
: rifle without even needing a permit, I still hear about shooting death
: almost daily. It is no help I tell you.
: Don't think you are safer just because you carry a gun. You are more likely
: to shoot yourself in the leg or hurt your children than using it to defend

w*g2012-12-13 08:12

82 楼

I think people of my age all had the three months training when entering
college. I believe I was a pretty good shooter and know how rifle works.
OK, I don't know what exactly CCW entails, or what kind of training CCW
requires.
But that is besides the point. The point is that you are not safer by
carrying a gun around with us all day.
Some poster said earlier that a gun is like a life insurance. I disagree. A
life insurance is passive. It kicks in once I die. I don't need to do
anything other than pay the premium. To use a gun to guard your life, you
need to use it to properly defend yourself. But is it the best choice? I
really doubt so. We can choose to avoid danger whenever we can. If you are
faced danger, we can choose to retreat. If you can't retreat, we can
surrender. If surrender is no option, then you would wish you have a gun
with you. The odds that you are in the last situation is really slim. I
think it is as small as winning a lottery. You are more likely to get a
serious traffic accident than facing a danger that you have to shoot. What
is the odds that you are siting in a movie theater when someone opens fire?

【在 d*******s 的大作中提到】

: Only retards will draw his gun when being pointed by a gun. Of course you
: need to wait for distraction. Obviously you don't know what CCW means, and
: how much training it requires
: 想到一句中国俗话，没有任何贬低的意思，就是＂夏虫不足语冰＂。凡事不能拍脑袋想
: 当然，要去了解
:
: likely

d*f2012-12-13 08:12

83 楼

这个就是pro-choice的思路，主党徒永远让人看不懂，自己想要一件事情的时候，他就
问你，你怎么不让我自由。等到他反对一件事情的时候，就变成‘你为什么不给我反对
你的自由’。大爷的，百战百胜阿

【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】

: 看不懂这个是什么思路.

w*g2012-12-13 08:12

84 楼

pro-choice is to pro the choice of your own body and your own privacy.
Pro-choice is to preserve the freedom of women to decide what to do with her
own body, whether to keep pregnancy or terminate the pregnancy, which is
ultimately the issue of privacy, an argument used in the supreme court
decision.
Concealed carry of weapon is not a matter of privacy. You can carry weapon
in your own home for all that you want. You can carry in concealment or
openly in your own home or store or company, no one cares.
However, if you carry weapon in public, you put others in danger. You
violate the freedom of others who want to stay in a public space without
fearing of weapon being accidentally discharged. It is no longer a privacy
issue or freedom of choice to one's own body.
I failed to see the relation between CCW and pro-choice.

【在 d********f 的大作中提到】

: 这个就是pro-choice的思路，主党徒永远让人看不懂，自己想要一件事情的时候，他就
: 问你，你怎么不让我自由。等到他反对一件事情的时候，就变成‘你为什么不给我反对
: 你的自由’。大爷的，百战百胜阿

k*n2012-12-13 08:12

85 楼

以后吵架用中文，英文看起来亚历山大

g*n2012-12-13 08:12

86 楼

+1

【在 d********f 的大作中提到】

: 欧洲你只有成为变态的自由，保持正常人的状态是禁止的

d*s2012-12-13 08:12

87 楼

No mean offensive, the military training for college does not help. Even a
PLA soldier would not allowed to modify or repair their guns. Disassemble
and reassemble (a.k.a. field strip) is basic. And pistol is way different
than type 56 you might shot before.
Nobody ever said its likely to use your CCW on a regular. What we kept
saying is we hope the best not using it. I know your theory of the useless
of carrying a gun in 99.9% times in your life. Some people will dig their
head into the sand and choosing to ignore the event of small probability
which might cost their lives or those of the one they loved, others don't.

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: I think people of my age all had the three months training when entering
: college. I believe I was a pretty good shooter and know how rifle works.
: OK, I don't know what exactly CCW entails, or what kind of training CCW
: requires.
: But that is besides the point. The point is that you are not safer by
: carrying a gun around with us all day.
: Some poster said earlier that a gun is like a life insurance. I disagree. A
: life insurance is passive. It kicks in once I die. I don't need to do
: anything other than pay the premium. To use a gun to guard your life, you
: need to use it to properly defend yourself. But is it the best choice? I