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l*d2013-06-13 07:06

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抛砖引玉, 我先来两条:
1. Exacerbates the cumbersome 485 application processing, and incurs many
more procedural RFE if J-supplemental form is mandatory.
2. Put unnecessary attestation burden on employer from private sector and
small business owners (e.g. human resource hours/attorney fees/
communications with previous employers who held original I140 but unwilling
to cooperate, etc) (in addition, many of which are start-ups who were
originally able to hire through 485-EAD, in order to stay competitive in
business).

a*e2013-06-13 07:06

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【以下文字转载自 WaterWorld 讨论区】
发信人: areyoueye (关注食事，了解食尚), 信区: WaterWorld
标题: 【端午新说】
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jun 13 18:51:17 2013, 美东)
战国时有个粽子达人叫屈原，人们很喜欢吃他做的粽子。但是最让他伤神的是食客天天
都在争论到底是甜粽子好吃还是咸粽子好吃。终于有一天屈原崩溃了，投江自杀。两千
多年过去了，人们为了纪念粽子达人，每年端午节期间还是争论到底是甜粽子好吃还
是咸粽子好吃。 the end

l*d2013-06-13 07:06

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What Evidence Must You Submit With Supplement J?
A letter from the employer on the employer’s letterhead describing the new
job offer referenced in Part 5. of Supplement J (including job requirements
and duties in the new position), and HOW the new job offer as described in
Part 5. of Supplement J is in the same or a similar occupational
classification as the job offer in the underlying Form I-140.
以上这条就是一个笑话，我原雇主不给你I140信息又怎样？你除非去法院告我。但是根
据哪条法律？？
Totally a Catch 22.

unwilling

【在 l*********d 的大作中提到】

: 抛砖引玉, 我先来两条:
: 1. Exacerbates the cumbersome 485 application processing, and incurs many
: more procedural RFE if J-supplemental form is mandatory.
: 2. Put unnecessary attestation burden on employer from private sector and
: small business owners (e.g. human resource hours/attorney fees/
: communications with previous employers who held original I140 but unwilling
: to cooperate, etc) (in addition, many of which are start-ups who were
: originally able to hire through 485-EAD, in order to stay competitive in
: business).

t*t2013-06-13 07:06

4 楼

萝卜白菜那个好吃，居然还争？

【在 a*******e 的大作中提到】

: 【以下文字转载自 WaterWorld 讨论区】
: 发信人: areyoueye (关注食事，了解食尚), 信区: WaterWorld
: 标题: 【端午新说】
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jun 13 18:51:17 2013, 美东)
: 战国时有个粽子达人叫屈原，人们很喜欢吃他做的粽子。但是最让他伤神的是食客天天
: 都在争论到底是甜粽子好吃还是咸粽子好吃。终于有一天屈原崩溃了，投江自杀。两千
: 多年过去了，人们为了纪念粽子达人，每年端午节期间还是争论到底是甜粽子好吃还
: 是咸粽子好吃。 the end

s*n2013-06-13 07:06

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楼主一句话说到了本质，美国的这种玩法到现在都没有变。

Totally a Catch 22.

【在 l*********d 的大作中提到】

: What Evidence Must You Submit With Supplement J?
: A letter from the employer on the employer’s letterhead describing the new
: job offer referenced in Part 5. of Supplement J (including job requirements
: and duties in the new position), and HOW the new job offer as described in
: Part 5. of Supplement J is in the same or a similar occupational
: classification as the job offer in the underlying Form I-140.
: 以上这条就是一个笑话，我原雇主不给你I140信息又怎样？你除非去法院告我。但是根
: 据哪条法律？？
: Totally a Catch 22.
:

R*a2013-06-13 07:06

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显然白菜好吃，说萝卜好吃的都是白痴

【在 t**t 的大作中提到】

: 萝卜白菜那个好吃，居然还争？

p*i2013-06-13 07:06

7 楼

这是个很好的论点，理论上perm和i140都属于employer，因此new employer无法得到
job classification更无从验证。
（让然，别提起foia那茬）

new
requirements

【在 l*********d 的大作中提到】

M*92013-06-13 07:06

8 楼

那得看谁做，怎么做吧。。。手艺不成，也不能好吃吧。。。
说萝卜好吃的是兔子。

【在 R***a 的大作中提到】

: 显然白菜好吃，说萝卜好吃的都是白痴

l*d2013-06-13 07:06

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要FOIA也得雇主透露I140号码是不？
老印论坛上一堆连自己140号码都拿不到的。
就冲这点，这个J表就不具可操作性。

【在 p******i 的大作中提到】

: 这是个很好的论点，理论上perm和i140都属于employer，因此new employer无法得到
: job classification更无从验证。
: （让然，别提起foia那茬）
:
: new
: requirements

R*a2013-06-13 07:06

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给兔子萝卜和白菜，兔子绝对先吃白菜啊

【在 M*********9 的大作中提到】

: 那得看谁做，怎么做吧。。。手艺不成，也不能好吃吧。。。
: 说萝卜好吃的是兔子。

c*n2013-06-13 07:06

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本还想着可能跳槽，现在想想要小心点，搞个J表就搞死人。还是安心23的来搞

M*92013-06-13 07:06

12 楼

才不信呢。兔子爱萝卜这是众所周知的。吃萝卜还能磨磨牙，吃白菜能干啥？

【在 R***a 的大作中提到】

: 给兔子萝卜和白菜，兔子绝对先吃白菜啊

l*d2013-06-13 07:06

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Comment:
I am an immigrant myself in the final steps of obtaining my LPR status.
I do not support the reform in its current shape, for the proposed changes
is contradictory to President Obama's EO for modernizing the immigration
system for US' competitiveness in 21st century.
Specifically,
1. Additional I485 supplement J forms required further processing effort
from USCIS, and will EXACERBATE the already cumbersome and severely back-
logged 485 application process, and will incur many more procedural RFE if J
-supplement form is mandatory.
2. The I485 J supplement form necessitate unnecessary attestation burden on
employer from private sector and small business owners (e.g. human resource
hours/attorney fees/communications with previous employers who held original
I140 but unwilling to cooperate, etc). Furthermore, many of the potential
employers are small start-up company who were originally able to hire
through 485-EAD, in order to stay competitive in high-tech business.
In addition, the proposed rule is procedurally not feasible. Let me take the
following requirement as an example:
To properly file a Supplement J form,
"
What Evidence Must You Submit With Supplement J?
A letter from the employer on the employer’s letterhead describing the new
job offer referenced in Part 5. of Supplement J (including job requirements
and duties in the new position), and HOW the new job offer as described in
Part 5. of Supplement J is in the same or a similar occupational
classification as the job offer in the underlying Form I-140."
As we are aware of, the PERM and I140 are by law the property of the
sponsoring employer, who is not obligated to provide such job description
information to the succeeding new employer. It remains in dark how USCIS can
ensure a smooth transfer of important legal information between the
involved parties.
Based on the above analysis, I call for revocation of the premature reform
in the proposed rule in making.
Thank you for considering my concerns.
A respectful LEGAL immigrant

c*r2013-06-13 07:06

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你是沒種過菜的，兔子絕對先吃白菜

【在 M*********9 的大作中提到】

: 才不信呢。兔子爱萝卜这是众所周知的。吃萝卜还能磨磨牙，吃白菜能干啥？

D*I2013-06-13 07:06

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为什么才130多的COMMENT，老印的论坛TRACKIT上有人搞嘛？？

k*o2013-06-13 07:06

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严格说，不见得需要I-140号码，理论上可以提供其他的身份信息来寻找，但是显然可
能导致处理的延迟，另外如果DHS说查不到可能也比较难argue.

【在 l*********d 的大作中提到】

: 要FOIA也得雇主透露I140号码是不？
: 老印论坛上一堆连自己140号码都拿不到的。
: 就冲这点，这个J表就不具可操作性。

m*22013-06-13 07:06

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Trackiit和IV上都没啥动静，怎么回事，J Form不影响烙印吗？

【在 D*****I 的大作中提到】

: 为什么才130多的COMMENT，老印的论坛TRACKIT上有人搞嘛？？

l*d2013-06-13 07:06

18 楼

发表评论的link如下:
http://www.regulations.gov/#!submitComment;D=USCIS-2015-0008-00

x*o2013-06-13 07:06

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要啥I140的信息？就是那个批准的通知？一张纸，I-797？难道公司不给你吗？

new
requirements

【在 l*********d 的大作中提到】

l*d2013-06-13 07:06

20 楼

您试着要一下, 回头贴个心得, 要不?

【在 x********o 的大作中提到】

: 要啥I140的信息？就是那个批准的通知？一张纸，I-797？难道公司不给你吗？
:
: new
: requirements

l*t2013-06-13 07:06

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我倒是有这个797表的扫描件，不知道这个管用不？

【在 l*********d 的大作中提到】

: 您试着要一下, 回头贴个心得, 要不?

x*o2013-06-13 07:06

22 楼

就是，我也有。当初批了之后，律师给我的。在美国，扫描件和原件是一样的效力吧。

【在 l******t 的大作中提到】

: 我倒是有这个797表的扫描件，不知道这个管用不？

j*92013-06-13 07:06

23 楼

去dmv办个驾照都要原价！！！

【在 x********o 的大作中提到】

: 就是，我也有。当初批了之后，律师给我的。在美国，扫描件和原件是一样的效力吧。

c*32013-06-13 07:06

24 楼

各州规定不同吧，我去DMV都是用的复印件

【在 j********9 的大作中提到】

: 去dmv办个驾照都要原价！！！

l*d2013-06-13 07:06

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复印件需要认证不？还是有号码就行？
J表的要求是让现任雇主填，那就是说雇主得承担验证前任的797表的责任。

【在 x********o 的大作中提到】

: 就是，我也有。当初批了之后，律师给我的。在美国，扫描件和原件是一样的效力吧。

l*d2013-06-13 07:06

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这里是Instructions for J 的原文, 大家看看可操作性如何?
------------------------------------------------------------------------
What Evidence Must You Submit With Supplement J?
1. If you are filing Supplement J to confirm that the job offer represented
in the underlying Form I-140 is bona fide, then you only need to complete
Parts 1., 2., and 3. of Supplement J and have the Form I-140 petitioner
complete Parts 4.,5., and 6.
2. If you are filing Supplement J to request job portability under INA
section 204(j), you, the applicant, must complete Parts 1., 2., and 3., and
the employer offering a new permanent job offer under INA section 204(j)
must complete Parts 4., 5., and 6. In addition, you must submit the
following documents with Supplement J:
A. A copy of Form I-797, Notice of Action, establishing the receipt date and
acceptance of your Form I-485 under INA section 245, which shows that your
Form I-485 has been pending for 180 days or more. If you do not have such
documentation, USCIS will review the electronic record for the Form I-485
receipt number provided in Part 2. of Supplement J and/or any other USCIS
records for evidence that you have filed a Form I-485 that has remained
pending for 180 days or more;
B. If available, a copy of Form I-797 showing that you are the principal
beneficiary of an approved or still pending Form I-140. If you do not have
such documentation, USCIS will review the electronic record for the Form I-
140 receipt number provided in Part 2. of Supplement J and/or any other
USCIS records for evidence that you are the principal beneficiary of an
approved or still pending Form I-140; and
C. A letter from the employer on the employer’s letterhead describing the
new job offer referenced in Part 5. of Supplement J (including job
requirements and duties in the new position), and how the new job offer as
described in Part 5. of Supplement J is in the same or a similar
occupational classification as the job offer in the underlying Form I-140.
NOTE: If you do not have the evidence listed in Items A. or B. above, you
may provide information on Supplement J or other secondary evidence to
demonstrate that you have filed Form I-485 which has been pending for 180
days or more since the receipt date, and that you are the principal
beneficiary of an approved or still pending Form I-140. Failure to provide
the evidence listed above or secondary evidence may result in delayed
processing or denial of your request for job portability.
NOTE: USCIS will review Supplement J in assessing whether the new job offer
is in the same or a similar occupational classification as the job in the
underlying Form I-140. The applicant and/or employer may submit any other
evidence that is relevant in showing the new job is in the same or a similar
occupational classification as the job specified in Form I-140.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

unwilling

【在 l*********d 的大作中提到】

x*o2013-06-13 07:06

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我的concern 是，你找到的新工作，怎知工种代码和以前Perm的是同一个工种代码？以
前Perm 和140 上，哪里写了工种代码？新工作接offer之前，怎么获得此工作的工种
代码？

F*r2013-06-13 07:06

28 楼

PERM上有代码。form9089

【在 x********o 的大作中提到】

: 我的concern 是，你找到的新工作，怎知工种代码和以前Perm的是同一个工种代码？以
: 前Perm 和140 上，哪里写了工种代码？新工作接offer之前，怎么获得此工作的工种
: 代码？

l*d2013-06-13 07:06

29 楼

这找HR要各种表格，还是在辞职走人的当儿，步步惊心啊！

【在 F********r 的大作中提到】

: PERM上有代码。form9089

F*r2013-06-13 07:06

30 楼

完全可以不给你。公司的财产。

这找HR要各种表格，还是在辞职走人的当儿，步步惊心啊！

【在 l*********d 的大作中提到】

: 这找HR要各种表格，还是在辞职走人的当儿，步步惊心啊！

x*o2013-06-13 07:06

31 楼

好，我找HR老太婆要来看看。

【在 F********r 的大作中提到】

: 完全可以不给你。公司的财产。
:
: 这找HR要各种表格，还是在辞职走人的当儿，步步惊心啊！

l*d2013-06-13 07:06

32 楼

MM你大胆地往前走啊！

【在 x********o 的大作中提到】

: 好，我找HR老太婆要来看看。

l*d2013-06-13 07:06

33 楼

yohoyu 的帖子值得关注。

【在 l*********d 的大作中提到】

: MM你大胆地往前走啊！

l*d2013-06-13 07:06

34 楼

J表通过了.

A*n2013-06-13 07:06

35 楼

求link谢谢

【在 l*********d 的大作中提到】

: J表通过了.