p*e
2 楼
昨天刚刚收到了Audit通知。核心问题O*NET上面的“Auditor”职位说仅需要本科和两
年工作经验，我的招聘广告说的四年+Master。可是我的职位是 Internal Audit
Manager，一个Manager职位要四年+Master不合理么？我找了一下其他公司公开的招聘
广告，类似职位都要8年以上经验，不过学历到时本科的居多。律师建议找个CIA协会的
人写封信，不知道这个是否是合理的supporting。板上那位有类似的经验么？恳请您不
吝赐教。谢谢大家！
下面是律师邮件：
Yesterday we received a random audit selection notification for your
currently pending PERM case with DOL. This is a standard audit request (
requesting proof of recruitment and recruitment result) that is not targeted
for any one particular issue so you should not be worried.
However, in preparing the response for your audit, it specifically asks for
business necessity for EMPLOYER requesting “Master’s or foreign equivalent
degree in Business Administration, Accounting, Finance, or a related field
and Four (4) years of business auditing experience.”
The O*Net this audit references states that the normal preparation for an “
auditor” position is MS degree or BS + 2 years of exp which obviously
cannot be universally true for all “auditor” positions. Therefore, please
work with your manager and provide us with business related reasons as to
why EMPLOYER requires someone with at least MS + 4 years of business
auditing experience for your Internal Audit Manager role with EMPLOYER. In
order to comply with the request, we will need job specific related
information from you and your manager in stating why someone with less than
4 years of related exp would not be qualified for your position (i.e being
familiar with industry standards and regulations when performing and
managing internal audits, etc).
Additionally, if you are able to obtain a letter from an industry expert (
perhaps from someone from CIA?) that can substantiate being an Internal
Audit Manager for large corporation entails at least having 4 years or more
years of related auditing experience, etc that usually helps in persuading
DOL as well.
下面是Audit的原文：
Audit Request #3
The job experience required by the employer in Section H. 6 and/or H. 10 of
the ETA Form 9089, forty eight (48) months, is beyond that normally required
for the job opportunity as defined by O*NET. Please provide an explanation
and documentation supporting the business necessity for this requirement.
In accordance with 20 Code of Federal Regulations 656.17(h)(1), “In order
to establish business necessity, an employer must demonstrate the following:
i) Job duties and requirements bears a reasonable relationship to the
occupation in the context of the employer’s business AND
ii) Are essential to perform the job in a reasonable manner.”
Unsupported statements, mere assertions of fact without the submittal of
supporting documentation, and declarations of employer preferences,
convenience, or efficiency are in sufficient to support business necessity.
Additionally, challenges based on the Dictionary of Occupational Titles (DOT
), prior Foreign Labor Certification decisions, or disagreement with the SWA
’s SOC/O*Net code as assigned in the prevailing wage determination fail to
address business necessity. (PWD appeals must be sent to the SWA within 30
days of the determination date prior to the filing of the ETA form 9089).
年工作经验，我的招聘广告说的四年+Master。可是我的职位是 Internal Audit
Manager，一个Manager职位要四年+Master不合理么？我找了一下其他公司公开的招聘
广告，类似职位都要8年以上经验，不过学历到时本科的居多。律师建议找个CIA协会的
人写封信，不知道这个是否是合理的supporting。板上那位有类似的经验么？恳请您不
吝赐教。谢谢大家！
下面是律师邮件：
Yesterday we received a random audit selection notification for your
currently pending PERM case with DOL. This is a standard audit request (
requesting proof of recruitment and recruitment result) that is not targeted
for any one particular issue so you should not be worried.
However, in preparing the response for your audit, it specifically asks for
business necessity for EMPLOYER requesting “Master’s or foreign equivalent
degree in Business Administration, Accounting, Finance, or a related field
and Four (4) years of business auditing experience.”
The O*Net this audit references states that the normal preparation for an “
auditor” position is MS degree or BS + 2 years of exp which obviously
cannot be universally true for all “auditor” positions. Therefore, please
work with your manager and provide us with business related reasons as to
why EMPLOYER requires someone with at least MS + 4 years of business
auditing experience for your Internal Audit Manager role with EMPLOYER. In
order to comply with the request, we will need job specific related
information from you and your manager in stating why someone with less than
4 years of related exp would not be qualified for your position (i.e being
familiar with industry standards and regulations when performing and
managing internal audits, etc).
Additionally, if you are able to obtain a letter from an industry expert (
perhaps from someone from CIA?) that can substantiate being an Internal
Audit Manager for large corporation entails at least having 4 years or more
years of related auditing experience, etc that usually helps in persuading
DOL as well.
下面是Audit的原文：
Audit Request #3
The job experience required by the employer in Section H. 6 and/or H. 10 of
the ETA Form 9089, forty eight (48) months, is beyond that normally required
for the job opportunity as defined by O*NET. Please provide an explanation
and documentation supporting the business necessity for this requirement.
In accordance with 20 Code of Federal Regulations 656.17(h)(1), “In order
to establish business necessity, an employer must demonstrate the following:
i) Job duties and requirements bears a reasonable relationship to the
occupation in the context of the employer’s business AND
ii) Are essential to perform the job in a reasonable manner.”
Unsupported statements, mere assertions of fact without the submittal of
supporting documentation, and declarations of employer preferences,
convenience, or efficiency are in sufficient to support business necessity.
Additionally, challenges based on the Dictionary of Occupational Titles (DOT
), prior Foreign Labor Certification decisions, or disagreement with the SWA
’s SOC/O*Net code as assigned in the prevailing wage determination fail to
address business necessity. (PWD appeals must be sent to the SWA within 30
days of the determination date prior to the filing of the ETA form 9089).
a*a
3 楼
【 以下文字转载自 ChineseMed 讨论区 】
发信人: Xiyaopeng (习药棚), 信区: ChineseMed
标 题: 说说两岁小孩受凉发烧的事（比较按摩、捂汗、中药）
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Aug 6 22:58:57 2013, 美东)
女儿，两岁，还不太会说话表达。估计是晚上踢被子受凉的。
早上抱着觉得身体微热，额头发烫，无汗。午觉前周尔晋的小儿按摩，推三关。推了几
百下后，没见烧退。
于是改为加被捂汗。睡了近半个小时，出了些小汗，但体温骤升，抱着觉得身体滚烫，
烧不退反升。
又试了些其它按摩，如揉大椎等，拖到晚上，还是烧得厉害。终于决定喝中药，准确点
儿说是灌中药。以女儿的小姐脾气，自个儿喝是不可能的。这也是我犹豫许久没上中药
的原因。症状是发热、无汗、脉浮紧，与葛根汤。用的是念慈庵的中药颗粒冲剂，四分
之一袋。第一次给小孩灌药，没经验。先用杯子，洒了一地，也没喝进啥。后用奶瓶，
配上剪大了孔的奶嘴，对准嘴灌。效果还行，灌入了十之五六。谁知女儿竟在最后哇地
一声将药悉数呕出，功亏一箧。那懊恼劲儿就别提了... 唉，就这么着吧。折腾了这许
久，女儿也困了。但睡着约半小时后突然惊醒大哭。只好把她抱起，感觉身体依旧灼热
。然而抱了约十分钟后，见证奇迹的时刻到了：汗出热退! 病就这么着好了。
小结一下。对周尔晋的按摩很失望。捂汗的方法出汗不彻底，且有使体温攀升的不良后
果。中药如神，呕出这么多还管用。
后来知道，更好的灌药法是用不带针头的塑料针管，沿嘴角注入，控制节奏以防呕。
发信人: Xiyaopeng (习药棚), 信区: ChineseMed
标 题: 说说两岁小孩受凉发烧的事（比较按摩、捂汗、中药）
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Aug 6 22:58:57 2013, 美东)
女儿，两岁，还不太会说话表达。估计是晚上踢被子受凉的。
早上抱着觉得身体微热，额头发烫，无汗。午觉前周尔晋的小儿按摩，推三关。推了几
百下后，没见烧退。
于是改为加被捂汗。睡了近半个小时，出了些小汗，但体温骤升，抱着觉得身体滚烫，
烧不退反升。
又试了些其它按摩，如揉大椎等，拖到晚上，还是烧得厉害。终于决定喝中药，准确点
儿说是灌中药。以女儿的小姐脾气，自个儿喝是不可能的。这也是我犹豫许久没上中药
的原因。症状是发热、无汗、脉浮紧，与葛根汤。用的是念慈庵的中药颗粒冲剂，四分
之一袋。第一次给小孩灌药，没经验。先用杯子，洒了一地，也没喝进啥。后用奶瓶，
配上剪大了孔的奶嘴，对准嘴灌。效果还行，灌入了十之五六。谁知女儿竟在最后哇地
一声将药悉数呕出，功亏一箧。那懊恼劲儿就别提了... 唉，就这么着吧。折腾了这许
久，女儿也困了。但睡着约半小时后突然惊醒大哭。只好把她抱起，感觉身体依旧灼热
。然而抱了约十分钟后，见证奇迹的时刻到了：汗出热退! 病就这么着好了。
小结一下。对周尔晋的按摩很失望。捂汗的方法出汗不彻底，且有使体温攀升的不良后
果。中药如神，呕出这么多还管用。
后来知道，更好的灌药法是用不带针头的塑料针管，沿嘴角注入，控制节奏以防呕。
b*6
4 楼
transamerica不是,但是打着transamerica的旗号卖保险招人的那个什么公司,是老鼠会
.
.
c*n
5 楼
当时看了就笑瘫+吓趴了。。真是自己的娃吗
B*y
6 楼
它要是老鼠会的话，我的401k就全完了。现在我所在公司的所有员工401k全在它那里。
。。
【在 C********e 的大作中提到】
: rt
。。
【在 C********e 的大作中提到】
: rt
o*1
7 楼
小孩子真惨
【在 a*******a 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 ChineseMed 讨论区 】
: 发信人: Xiyaopeng (习药棚), 信区: ChineseMed
: 标 题: 说说两岁小孩受凉发烧的事（比较按摩、捂汗、中药）
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Aug 6 22:58:57 2013, 美东)
: 女儿，两岁，还不太会说话表达。估计是晚上踢被子受凉的。
: 早上抱着觉得身体微热，额头发烫，无汗。午觉前周尔晋的小儿按摩，推三关。推了几
: 百下后，没见烧退。
: 于是改为加被捂汗。睡了近半个小时，出了些小汗，但体温骤升，抱着觉得身体滚烫，
: 烧不退反升。
: 又试了些其它按摩，如揉大椎等，拖到晚上，还是烧得厉害。终于决定喝中药，准确点
【在 a*******a 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 ChineseMed 讨论区 】
: 发信人: Xiyaopeng (习药棚), 信区: ChineseMed
: 标 题: 说说两岁小孩受凉发烧的事（比较按摩、捂汗、中药）
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Aug 6 22:58:57 2013, 美东)
: 女儿，两岁，还不太会说话表达。估计是晚上踢被子受凉的。
: 早上抱着觉得身体微热，额头发烫，无汗。午觉前周尔晋的小儿按摩，推三关。推了几
: 百下后，没见烧退。
: 于是改为加被捂汗。睡了近半个小时，出了些小汗，但体温骤升，抱着觉得身体滚烫，
: 烧不退反升。
: 又试了些其它按摩，如揉大椎等，拖到晚上，还是烧得厉害。终于决定喝中药，准确点
s*z
8 楼
你们公司这么不靠谱，还用trabsamerica
【在 B******y 的大作中提到】
: 它要是老鼠会的话，我的401k就全完了。现在我所在公司的所有员工401k全在它那里。
: 。。
【在 B******y 的大作中提到】
: 它要是老鼠会的话，我的401k就全完了。现在我所在公司的所有员工401k全在它那里。
: 。。
B*y
9 楼
嗯，这不算最不靠谱的地方，其他的地方我都懒得说了，准备跳槽了。。。
【在 s********z 的大作中提到】
: 你们公司这么不靠谱，还用trabsamerica
【在 s********z 的大作中提到】
: 你们公司这么不靠谱，还用trabsamerica
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