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d*f
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飞行员是个发烧友,想要测试777的极限,关掉通话系统,直接升到4万多尺的高度上,
然后全机人昏过去了,飞机掉到2万多尺,自动飞行系统接管,飞到没油了掉了下去。
SEPANG, Malaysia — Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 experienced significant
changes in altitude after it lost contact with ground control, and altered
its course more than once as if still under the command of a pilot, American
officials and others familiar with the investigation said Friday.
Radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appear to show the missing
airliner climbing to 45,000 feet, above the approved altitude limit for a
Boeing 777-200, soon after it disappeared from civilian radar and made a
sharp turn to the west, according to a preliminary assessment by a person
familiar with the data.
A captain of the Royal Malaysian Air Force, Izam Fareq Hassan, right, talked
with his team members during a search and rescue operation over the Strait
of Malacca on Friday.Satellite Firm Says Its Data From Jet Could Offer
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India's Andaman and Nicobar Islands. The Indian Navy is conducting a vast
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The radar track, which the Malaysian government has not released but says it
has provided to the United States and China, then shows the plane
descending unevenly to an altitude of 23,000 feet, below normal cruising
levels, as it approached the densely populated island of Penang, one of the
country’s largest. There, the plane turned from a southwest-bound course,
climbed to a higher altitude and flew northwest over the Strait of Malacca
toward the Indian Ocean.
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Detecting a Plane
Two kinds of radar are used to keep track of air traffic from the ground.
Primary radar
Sends out radio signals and listens for echoes that bounce back from objects
in the sky.
TRANSPONDER
Secondary radar
Sends signals that request information from the plane’s transponder. The
plane sends back information including its identification and altitude. The
radar repeatedly sweeps the sky and interrogates the transponder. Other
planes in flight can also receive the transponder signals.
THE NEW YORK TIMES
Investigators have also examined data transmitted from the plane’s Rolls-
Royce engines that shows it descending 40,000 feet in the space of a minute,
according to a senior American official briefed on the investigation. But
investigators do not believe the readings are accurate because the aircraft
would likely have taken longer to fall such a distance.
“A lot of stock cannot be put in the altitude data” sent from the engines,
one official said. “A lot of this doesn’t make sense.”
The data, while incomplete and difficult to interpret, could still provide
critical new clues as investigators try to determine what transpired on
Flight 370, which disappeared early last Saturday carrying 239 people from
Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.
Malaysian and international investigators have said in recent days that the
plane may have departed from its northerly flight route toward Beijing and
headed west across the Malaysian peninsula just after it disappeared from
civilian radar, its pilots stopped communicating with ground controllers and
its transponders stopped transmitting data about its speed and location.
The plane is also now thought to have continued flying for more than four
hours after diverting its course, based on automated “pings” sent by
onboard systems seeking to connect with satellites.
But the Malaysian military radar data, which local authorities have declined
to provide to the public, add significant new information about the flight
immediately after ground controllers lost contact. The combination of
altitude changes and at least two significant course corrections could have
a variety of explanations, including an intentional diversion by a pilot or
a hijacker, or uneven flying because a disabled crew.
The erratic movements of the aircraft after it diverted course and flew over
the country also raise questions about why the military did not respond in
real time to the flight emergency. Malaysian officials have acknowledged
that military radar may have picked up the plane, but have said they took no
action because it did not appear hostile.
Seven days after the jet’s disappearance, Malaysian authorities have shared
few details with American investigators, frustrating senior officials in
Washington. “They’re keeping us at a distance,” said one of the officials.
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But investigators in Malaysia and the United States recently began receiving
additional data about the plane and anticipate receiving more over the
weekend, according to a senior American official. “It’s gotten better and
better every day,” the official said, referring to information from the
plane’s manufacturer, satellites and military radar. “It should provide
more clarity to the flight path. It’s not a given but it’s a hope.”
Because the plane stopped transmitting its position about 40 minutes after
takeoff, military radar recorded only an unidentified blip moving through
Malaysian airspace. Certain weather conditions, and even flocks of birds,
can occasionally cause radar blips that may be mistaken for aircraft, and
the Malaysian authorities say they are still studying the signals to
determine if they came from Flight 370.
But the person who examined the data said it leaves little doubt that the
airliner flew near or through the southern tip of Thailand, then back across
Peninsular Malaysia, near the city of Penang, and out over the sea again.
That’s in part because the data is based on signals recorded by two radar
stations, one at Butterworth air force base on the peninsula’s west coast,
near Penang, and the other at Kota Bharu, on the northeast coast. Two radars
tracking a contact can significantly increase the reliability of the
readings.
Still, Ravi Madavaram, an aerospace engineer at the consulting firm Frost &
Sullivan based in Kuala Lumpur, said the accuracy of ground-based radars
determining a plane’s altitude falls the farther away the plane is. When
Flight 370 lost contact with ground control, it was more than 100 miles from
Kota Bharu and 200 miles from Butterworth, distances that he said could
degrade accuracy. But the altitudes measured as the plane crossed the
peninsula would be more reliable, he said.
Military radar last recorded the aircraft flying at an altitude of 29,500
feet about 200 miles northwest of Penang and headed toward India’s Andaman
Islands.
Cengiz Turkoglu, a senior lecturer in aeronautical engineering at City
University London who specializes in aviation safety, said dramatic changes
in altitude can be the result of a deliberate act in the cockpit. “It is
extremely difficult for an aircraft to physically, however heavy it might be
, to free fall.”
An Asia-based pilot of a Boeing 777-200, who asked not to be identified
because he was not authorized to speak to reporters, said an ascent above
the plane’s service limit of 43,100 feet, along with a depressurized cabin,
could have rendered the passengers and crew unconscious, and could be a
deliberate maneuver by a pilot or hijacker.
American officials were initially concerned in the first few days after the
plane went missing that terrorists had brought it down. But as agents have
examined the flight manifest and investigated the two Iranian men who were
on the plane traveling with stolen passports, the agents have become
convinced that there is not a clear connection to terrorism.
As part of its investigative efforts, the F.B.I. interviewed family members
of the Iranian men and used computer programs to determine whether they had
ties to known terrorists. Those efforts showed no connections to terrorism,
leading the investigators to believe the men were smugglers.
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Investigators considered but dismissed the possibility that hijackers landed
the plane somewhere for later use in a terrorist attack, according to a
senior American official briefed on the investigation.
The data, the official said, “leads them to believe that it either ran out
of fuel or crashed right before it ran out of fuel.”
It would take a substantially long runway to land a plane of that size, the
official said, adding that although the radius the plane could have flown
extends into territory in South Asia, “the idea it could cross into Indian
airspace and not get picked up made no sense.”
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P*a
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为什么升到四万多尺就全昏了?

American
missing

【在 d********f 的大作中提到】
: 飞行员是个发烧友,想要测试777的极限,关掉通话系统,直接升到4万多尺的高度上,
: 然后全机人昏过去了,飞机掉到2万多尺,自动飞行系统接管,飞到没油了掉了下去。
: SEPANG, Malaysia — Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 experienced significant
: changes in altitude after it lost contact with ground control, and altered
: its course more than once as if still under the command of a pilot, American
: officials and others familiar with the investigation said Friday.
: Radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appear to show the missing
: airliner climbing to 45,000 feet, above the approved altitude limit for a
: Boeing 777-200, soon after it disappeared from civilian radar and made a
: sharp turn to the west, according to a preliminary assessment by a person

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z*i
3
要发烧的话飞战斗机比这个爽吧

American
missing

【在 d********f 的大作中提到】
: 飞行员是个发烧友,想要测试777的极限,关掉通话系统,直接升到4万多尺的高度上,
: 然后全机人昏过去了,飞机掉到2万多尺,自动飞行系统接管,飞到没油了掉了下去。
: SEPANG, Malaysia — Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 experienced significant
: changes in altitude after it lost contact with ground control, and altered
: its course more than once as if still under the command of a pilot, American
: officials and others familiar with the investigation said Friday.
: Radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appear to show the missing
: airliner climbing to 45,000 feet, above the approved altitude limit for a
: Boeing 777-200, soon after it disappeared from civilian radar and made a
: sharp turn to the west, according to a preliminary assessment by a person

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R*a
4
民航飞行员没机会飞战斗机啊

【在 z***i 的大作中提到】
: 要发烧的话飞战斗机比这个爽吧
:
: American
: missing

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d*f
5
缺氧把,我不懂情专家指导

【在 P******a 的大作中提到】
: 为什么升到四万多尺就全昏了?
:
: American
: missing

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z*i
6
模拟舱总有机会吧。还可以入伍啊

民航飞行员没机会飞战斗机啊

【在 R***a 的大作中提到】
: 民航飞行员没机会飞战斗机啊
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d*f
7
飞行员在家买了一套,所以我推测这厮就是吃撑了

【在 z***i 的大作中提到】
: 模拟舱总有机会吧。还可以入伍啊
:
: 民航飞行员没机会飞战斗机啊

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R*a
8
模拟舱怎么模拟升过高限?
一般程序不让你升到高限以上啊

【在 z***i 的大作中提到】
: 模拟舱总有机会吧。还可以入伍啊
:
: 民航飞行员没机会飞战斗机啊

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z*i
9
宇航员的材料被搞去开飞机,悲剧了

飞行员在家买了一套,所以我推测这厮就是吃撑了

【在 d********f 的大作中提到】
: 飞行员在家买了一套,所以我推测这厮就是吃撑了
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z*i
10
几G几G的加速啊,伊追求的是那个快感?
总之,这个是俺晕机晕船的人感受不到的,只好猜猜

模拟舱怎么模拟升过高限?
一般程序不让你升到高限以上啊

【在 R***a 的大作中提到】
: 模拟舱怎么模拟升过高限?
: 一般程序不让你升到高限以上啊

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j*g
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4万2千英尺还是飞机正常的飞行高度,考虑到设计余量,4万5千尺不可能造成所有人缺
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d*f
12
颠簸可能造成系统受损,失压或者乘客飞出去都有可能

【在 j***g 的大作中提到】
: 4万2千英尺还是飞机正常的飞行高度,考虑到设计余量,4万5千尺不可能造成所有人缺
: 氧

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h*o
13
会不会和上次那个韩国航空一样,误撞操作杆?不过不make sense,无法解释通讯系统
怎么会断连。
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R*a
14
可能是空姐屁股比较大,往后坐的时候把通讯系统的开关也碰了

【在 h****o 的大作中提到】
: 会不会和上次那个韩国航空一样,误撞操作杆?不过不make sense,无法解释通讯系统
: 怎么会断连。

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z*i
15
飞机那个构造不可能密闭,失压最可能
上升太快,系统来不及维持压力?

颠簸可能造成系统受损,失压或者乘客飞出去都有可能

【在 d********f 的大作中提到】
: 颠簸可能造成系统受损,失压或者乘客飞出去都有可能
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h*o
16
无巧不成书的节奏?

【在 R***a 的大作中提到】
: 可能是空姐屁股比较大,往后坐的时候把通讯系统的开关也碰了
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R*a
17
不够密闭的话40000英尺就是海拔一万多米。
正常航行乘客就得晕过去一多半

【在 z***i 的大作中提到】
: 飞机那个构造不可能密闭,失压最可能
: 上升太快,系统来不及维持压力?
:
: 颠簸可能造成系统受损,失压或者乘客飞出去都有可能

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d*z
18
很多飞机的高度限制是因为发动机对氧气浓度的要求吧。
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e*e
19
民航安全高度也就10000米左右,话说米帝的SR-71能飞80000尺,是民航高度的2.5倍。
这个高度上需要宇航员类型的压力服装和MASK。而且这个高度/速度弹射出来时的温度
高达几百度。
看看SR-71驾驶员的行套:)
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z*i
20
又想了想,飞机自己看成一个压力容器的话
密闭也不难,门那些地方O-ring就行
问题是有那么多的焊接。。

不够密闭的话40000英尺就是海拔一万多米。
正常航行乘客就得晕过去一多半

【在 R***a 的大作中提到】
: 不够密闭的话40000英尺就是海拔一万多米。
: 正常航行乘客就得晕过去一多半

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h*o
21
机舱气压:
飛機通常在高度9,000~12,000m(30,000~40,000英尺)的平流層,以時速900km,接
近音速的速度飛行。由於高空的氣壓低,雖然機艙內加壓,但客艙內的氣壓仍低於地面
氣壓;等同於攀爬海拔2,000~2,500m的高山(相當於富士山五合目的高度)的狀況。
飛機的震動和晃動相對較少,雖然有利於患病旅客保持靜養狀態,但飛行時間、飛行高
度(機艙內的加壓狀態)、氣象條件等有時會對病症造成不良影響,所以根據患病旅客
的症狀,有時不能搭機。
建議在機艙內穿著寬鬆的服裝
建議攜帶常備藥品到機艙內
節制飲食、碳酸飲料、喝酒
腳下放置行李會妨礙移動
機艙內的氣壓
飛行中機艙內的氣壓與地面相比降低了20%~30%,著陸時氣壓會在15~30分鐘的時間
內產生劇烈變化。短時間內的氣壓變化,可能導致航空性中耳炎或腸道性腹痛。
氧氣濃度降低
氧氣濃度降低會對呼吸器官障礙、心臟障礙、腦血管障礙或重度貧血等造成不良影響。
另外,氧氣不足也可能會給懷孕後期的孕婦和新生兒帶來不良影響。
氣溫
機艙內的氣溫大致維持在24℃左右。
濕度
機艙內的濕度降低到0%~20%左右。
機體搖晃
不得已要穿越不穩定氣流時,機體會產生搖晃。有時會產生劇烈搖晃。
長時間落座
下肢有靜脈瘤或手術後的旅客因下肢血液滯流,容易形成血栓。
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R*a
22
这飞机漏风也太厉害了。
这个多开车就知道,一个喝了一半以上的矿泉水瓶子,瓶盖盖住,
如果从开车上山再下来,中间不打开瓶子,落差不用超过1000米,
下山以后矿泉水瓶子是瘪的了。飞机托运的类似容器,啥时候压强差能
大到下飞机打开行李一看,瓶子都瘪了的?
飞机起降的时候能感到耳压变化,不过开车上下山的时候稍微陡点儿的坡,
只要几分钟一样能感到变化,这几分钟能开车的路落差能有多大?

【在 h****o 的大作中提到】
: 机舱气压:
: 飛機通常在高度9,000~12,000m(30,000~40,000英尺)的平流層,以時速900km,接
: 近音速的速度飛行。由於高空的氣壓低,雖然機艙內加壓,但客艙內的氣壓仍低於地面
: 氣壓;等同於攀爬海拔2,000~2,500m的高山(相當於富士山五合目的高度)的狀況。
: 飛機的震動和晃動相對較少,雖然有利於患病旅客保持靜養狀態,但飛行時間、飛行高
: 度(機艙內的加壓狀態)、氣象條件等有時會對病症造成不良影響,所以根據患病旅客
: 的症狀,有時不能搭機。
: 建議在機艙內穿著寬鬆的服裝
: 建議攜帶常備藥品到機艙內
: 節制飲食、碳酸飲料、喝酒

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z*i
23
如果很快的速度爬高的话,泄漏速度也增大了
加压也来不及补充,爬高的速度应该是有限制的
不光是绝对高度的问题

【在 h****o 的大作中提到】
: 机舱气压:
: 飛機通常在高度9,000~12,000m(30,000~40,000英尺)的平流層,以時速900km,接
: 近音速的速度飛行。由於高空的氣壓低,雖然機艙內加壓,但客艙內的氣壓仍低於地面
: 氣壓;等同於攀爬海拔2,000~2,500m的高山(相當於富士山五合目的高度)的狀況。
: 飛機的震動和晃動相對較少,雖然有利於患病旅客保持靜養狀態,但飛行時間、飛行高
: 度(機艙內的加壓狀態)、氣象條件等有時會對病症造成不良影響,所以根據患病旅客
: 的症狀,有時不能搭機。
: 建議在機艙內穿著寬鬆的服裝
: 建議攜帶常備藥品到機艙內
: 節制飲食、碳酸飲料、喝酒

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d*f
24
可能是怕叫得太大声,所以把通讯器关了

【在 R***a 的大作中提到】
: 可能是空姐屁股比较大,往后坐的时候把通讯系统的开关也碰了
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z*i
25
制造不太重的大型密闭容器是很难的

这飞机漏风也太厉害了。
这个多开车就知道,一个喝了一半以上的矿泉水瓶子,瓶盖盖住,
如果从开车上山再下来,中间不打开瓶子,落差不用超过1000米,
下山以后矿泉水瓶子是瘪的了。飞机托运的类似容器,啥时候压强差能
大到下飞机打开行李一看,瓶子都瘪了的?
飞机起降的时候能感到耳压变化,不过开车上下山的时候稍微陡点儿的坡,
只要几分钟一样能感到变化,这几分钟能开车的路落差能有多大?

【在 R***a 的大作中提到】
: 这飞机漏风也太厉害了。
: 这个多开车就知道,一个喝了一半以上的矿泉水瓶子,瓶盖盖住,
: 如果从开车上山再下来,中间不打开瓶子,落差不用超过1000米,
: 下山以后矿泉水瓶子是瘪的了。飞机托运的类似容器,啥时候压强差能
: 大到下飞机打开行李一看,瓶子都瘪了的?
: 飞机起降的时候能感到耳压变化,不过开车上下山的时候稍微陡点儿的坡,
: 只要几分钟一样能感到变化,这几分钟能开车的路落差能有多大?

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k*l
26
两个驾驶员都有问题的可能性比较小,估计正常的那个跟劫机那个的打架来着,劫机的
飞行员打赢了,想低空飞到somewhere不过油不够了
---never mind, this can't explain why passenger didn't fight

American
missing

【在 d********f 的大作中提到】
: 飞行员是个发烧友,想要测试777的极限,关掉通话系统,直接升到4万多尺的高度上,
: 然后全机人昏过去了,飞机掉到2万多尺,自动飞行系统接管,飞到没油了掉了下去。
: SEPANG, Malaysia — Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 experienced significant
: changes in altitude after it lost contact with ground control, and altered
: its course more than once as if still under the command of a pilot, American
: officials and others familiar with the investigation said Friday.
: Radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appear to show the missing
: airliner climbing to 45,000 feet, above the approved altitude limit for a
: Boeing 777-200, soon after it disappeared from civilian radar and made a
: sharp turn to the west, according to a preliminary assessment by a person

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R*a
27
两个飞行员驾驶仓内妖精打架,乘客不知道啊

【在 k**l 的大作中提到】
: 两个驾驶员都有问题的可能性比较小,估计正常的那个跟劫机那个的打架来着,劫机的
: 飞行员打赢了,想低空飞到somewhere不过油不够了
: ---never mind, this can't explain why passenger didn't fight
:
: American
: missing

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f*p
28
这都不行,打飞机才真的叫爽呢!

【在 z***i 的大作中提到】
: 要发烧的话飞战斗机比这个爽吧
:
: American
: missing

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z*9
29
高度太高,空气稀薄,升力下降。
否则,飞机岂不是可以飞到太空去。

缺氧把,我不懂情专家指导

【在 d********f 的大作中提到】
: 缺氧把,我不懂情专家指导
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m*n
30
如果是回到同一海拔高度同一温度,不管你上下几万次,应该瓶子都不会瘪。
瓶子又不是单项漏气的,能出就能进。
唯一的解释是在同一海拔高度但是温度降低了。
当然,下降太快,来不及充气也可能,但是汽车能下降那么快?

【在 R***a 的大作中提到】
: 这飞机漏风也太厉害了。
: 这个多开车就知道,一个喝了一半以上的矿泉水瓶子,瓶盖盖住,
: 如果从开车上山再下来,中间不打开瓶子,落差不用超过1000米,
: 下山以后矿泉水瓶子是瘪的了。飞机托运的类似容器,啥时候压强差能
: 大到下飞机打开行李一看,瓶子都瘪了的?
: 飞机起降的时候能感到耳压变化,不过开车上下山的时候稍微陡点儿的坡,
: 只要几分钟一样能感到变化,这几分钟能开车的路落差能有多大?

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w*p
31
机长跟地面通讯道晚安之后,关掉了所有通讯,两名空姐跟正副驾驶开始4p。结果活动
太剧烈,碰到机上的控制飞机转向西南,然后机舱失压,但是没及时察觉,最后全飞机
都昏迷,油料耗光掉进印度洋。
这个很符合逻辑吧?
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s*r
32
高, 实在是高。

【在 w*p 的大作中提到】
: 机长跟地面通讯道晚安之后,关掉了所有通讯,两名空姐跟正副驾驶开始4p。结果活动
: 太剧烈,碰到机上的控制飞机转向西南,然后机舱失压,但是没及时察觉,最后全飞机
: 都昏迷,油料耗光掉进印度洋。
: 这个很符合逻辑吧?

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k*l
33
现在更清晰一点了,什么飞行极客,奶奶的一直是用simulator练习劫机来着

American
missing

【在 d********f 的大作中提到】
: 飞行员是个发烧友,想要测试777的极限,关掉通话系统,直接升到4万多尺的高度上,
: 然后全机人昏过去了,飞机掉到2万多尺,自动飞行系统接管,飞到没油了掉了下去。
: SEPANG, Malaysia — Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 experienced significant
: changes in altitude after it lost contact with ground control, and altered
: its course more than once as if still under the command of a pilot, American
: officials and others familiar with the investigation said Friday.
: Radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appear to show the missing
: airliner climbing to 45,000 feet, above the approved altitude limit for a
: Boeing 777-200, soon after it disappeared from civilian radar and made a
: sharp turn to the west, according to a preliminary assessment by a person

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T*U
34
要是让人晕,减压就可以了,升高费那么大劲。

American
missing

【在 d********f 的大作中提到】
: 飞行员是个发烧友,想要测试777的极限,关掉通话系统,直接升到4万多尺的高度上,
: 然后全机人昏过去了,飞机掉到2万多尺,自动飞行系统接管,飞到没油了掉了下去。
: SEPANG, Malaysia — Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 experienced significant
: changes in altitude after it lost contact with ground control, and altered
: its course more than once as if still under the command of a pilot, American
: officials and others familiar with the investigation said Friday.
: Radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appear to show the missing
: airliner climbing to 45,000 feet, above the approved altitude limit for a
: Boeing 777-200, soon after it disappeared from civilian radar and made a
: sharp turn to the west, according to a preliminary assessment by a person

avatar
n*g
35
有趣

American
missing

【在 d********f 的大作中提到】
: 飞行员是个发烧友,想要测试777的极限,关掉通话系统,直接升到4万多尺的高度上,
: 然后全机人昏过去了,飞机掉到2万多尺,自动飞行系统接管,飞到没油了掉了下去。
: SEPANG, Malaysia — Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 experienced significant
: changes in altitude after it lost contact with ground control, and altered
: its course more than once as if still under the command of a pilot, American
: officials and others familiar with the investigation said Friday.
: Radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appear to show the missing
: airliner climbing to 45,000 feet, above the approved altitude limit for a
: Boeing 777-200, soon after it disappeared from civilian radar and made a
: sharp turn to the west, according to a preliminary assessment by a person

avatar
d*f
36
所以告诉你了,就是极限测试

【在 T*U 的大作中提到】
: 要是让人晕,减压就可以了,升高费那么大劲。
:
: American
: missing

avatar
R*a
37
矿泉水瓶子是单向漏气的...
外面气压低的时候,里面空气只有一个方向能出去,就是从瓶口缝隙。
然后回到海平面外面气压高的时候,瓶缝进气太慢,整个瓶子就被压扁了

【在 m******n 的大作中提到】
: 如果是回到同一海拔高度同一温度,不管你上下几万次,应该瓶子都不会瘪。
: 瓶子又不是单项漏气的,能出就能进。
: 唯一的解释是在同一海拔高度但是温度降低了。
: 当然,下降太快,来不及充气也可能,但是汽车能下降那么快?

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