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m*02011-02-04 08:02

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本人国内300名开外烂校本科，TOP5工程院校硕士，美国150名开外州立大学博士。2年
本校的POST-DOC。现在美国一TIER4大学（200名开外）作AP。工程类里头偏机械背景。
目前正在和律师谈申请EB1A。
其他基本情况
1）NSF CAREER AWARD，其实就是一GRANT，不知道这个算不算NATIONAL AWARD。律师让
我把关于AWARD的介绍情况给她。感觉那意思这个可能不能算NATIONAL AWARD。不知道
版上有没有人拿这个算一个CLAIM的。
2）英文论文30+，两个BOOK CHAPTER，有一半是一作。当了AP之后基本都是最后一个通
讯作者了。引用大概70+，但是至少一半是自引（包括师弟师妹引用的）他引大概30+。
没办法，专业很冷，IF最高的才1点几。
3）REVIEW过三四个JOURNAL大概20篇论文，四五个会议大概10篇论文，还有NSF
PANELIST REVIEW了15个PROPOSAL。
以上大概基本情况，以前觉得还挺STRONG的，最近跟律师交流。觉得很没信心。。。上
了跟版上DIY高手咨询一下。多谢多谢。

w*r2011-02-04 08:02

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org. price 850k, we gave an offer 805k. seller give counter 850k, same price
. really pissed off by its arrogance. plan to walk away.

q*f2011-02-04 08:02

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ENOUGH

【在 m********0 的大作中提到】

: 本人国内300名开外烂校本科，TOP5工程院校硕士，美国150名开外州立大学博士。2年
: 本校的POST-DOC。现在美国一TIER4大学（200名开外）作AP。工程类里头偏机械背景。
: 目前正在和律师谈申请EB1A。
: 其他基本情况
: 1）NSF CAREER AWARD，其实就是一GRANT，不知道这个算不算NATIONAL AWARD。律师让
: 我把关于AWARD的介绍情况给她。感觉那意思这个可能不能算NATIONAL AWARD。不知道
: 版上有没有人拿这个算一个CLAIM的。
: 2）英文论文30+，两个BOOK CHAPTER，有一半是一作。当了AP之后基本都是最后一个通
: 讯作者了。引用大概70+，但是至少一半是自引（包括师弟师妹引用的）他引大概30+。
: 没办法，专业很冷，IF最高的才1点几。

d*s2011-02-04 08:02

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how much is 850 from the top price in 2006? if it is 30% off, then it may
not be bad.

price

【在 w*******r 的大作中提到】

: org. price 850k, we gave an offer 805k. seller give counter 850k, same price
: . really pissed off by its arrogance. plan to walk away.

V*a2011-02-04 08:02

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除了引用稍微低了点，其他都很强啊，
而且你是AP，有career award，太强大了！

【在 m********0 的大作中提到】

: 本人国内300名开外烂校本科，TOP5工程院校硕士，美国150名开外州立大学博士。2年
: 本校的POST-DOC。现在美国一TIER4大学（200名开外）作AP。工程类里头偏机械背景。
: 目前正在和律师谈申请EB1A。
: 其他基本情况
: 1）NSF CAREER AWARD，其实就是一GRANT，不知道这个算不算NATIONAL AWARD。律师让
: 我把关于AWARD的介绍情况给她。感觉那意思这个可能不能算NATIONAL AWARD。不知道
: 版上有没有人拿这个算一个CLAIM的。
: 2）英文论文30+，两个BOOK CHAPTER，有一半是一作。当了AP之后基本都是最后一个通
: 讯作者了。引用大概70+，但是至少一半是自引（包括师弟师妹引用的）他引大概30+。
: 没办法，专业很冷，IF最高的才1点几。

w*r2011-02-04 08:02

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it's about 15% off 2006 peak. This is crazy California. But last year, the
similar house sold for 825k.

【在 d*****s 的大作中提到】

: how much is 850 from the top price in 2006? if it is 30% off, then it may
: not be bad.
:
: price

I*t2011-02-04 08:02

7 楼

够了吧，lz很强啊
好奇的问，人国内300名开外烂校是个什么概念？

Y*o2011-02-04 08:02

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Zip code ?
926xx?

【在 w*******r 的大作中提到】

: it's about 15% off 2006 peak. This is crazy California. But last year, the
: similar house sold for 825k.

J*L2011-02-04 08:02

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国内300名开外，国内名校读硕，美国读博，2年postdoc，然后美国AP
楼主完全可以做国内学生奋斗的榜样了
强啊~~~~~~~~~~~~~

j*d2011-02-04 08:02

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我这出了2个都是被原价返回了。加州的房子拿到真得上涨了？？？？

c*n2011-02-04 08:02

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仅仅把你的背景逐一列出来就能把VO给震死！

w*r2011-02-04 08:02

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I thought most Lao Zhong already bought their houses last year with Tax
incentive?

【在 j****d 的大作中提到】

: 我这出了2个都是被原价返回了。加州的房子拿到真得上涨了？？？？

a*02011-02-04 08:02

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You wanna DIY, why you listen to the 律师?
Your backgroud is strong enough.

【在 m********0 的大作中提到】

: 本人国内300名开外烂校本科，TOP5工程院校硕士，美国150名开外州立大学博士。2年
: 本校的POST-DOC。现在美国一TIER4大学（200名开外）作AP。工程类里头偏机械背景。
: 目前正在和律师谈申请EB1A。
: 其他基本情况
: 1）NSF CAREER AWARD，其实就是一GRANT，不知道这个算不算NATIONAL AWARD。律师让
: 我把关于AWARD的介绍情况给她。感觉那意思这个可能不能算NATIONAL AWARD。不知道
: 版上有没有人拿这个算一个CLAIM的。
: 2）英文论文30+，两个BOOK CHAPTER，有一半是一作。当了AP之后基本都是最后一个通
: 讯作者了。引用大概70+，但是至少一半是自引（包括师弟师妹引用的）他引大概30+。
: 没办法，专业很冷，IF最高的才1点几。

s*d2011-02-04 08:02

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我认识的三个人，包括我自己都是在那之后买的房子

【在 w*******r 的大作中提到】

: I thought most Lao Zhong already bought their houses last year with Tax
: incentive?

m*02011-02-04 08:02

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感谢大家回复
这个学期巨忙
律师是2年前找的，委托费也是2年前交的。
觉得找律师能省事。
但是这个律师很TOUGH，为了保证成功，要求很苛刻。
我写了几封推荐信，但是没按照她给的模板。
昨天没鼻子没脸的把我说了一通。超级打击人自信心
俺觉得吧，怎么也是个服务性行业。不应该这么对待客户吧。。。

【在 a*********0 的大作中提到】

: You wanna DIY, why you listen to the 律师?
: Your backgroud is strong enough.

N*s2011-02-04 08:02

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二套房所以不在乎那个我认识的老中夫妇平均〉2个房/户。当然都是工作了的。

【在 s*****d 的大作中提到】

: 我认识的三个人，包括我自己都是在那之后买的房子

p*32011-02-04 08:02

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Listen to her since you hire her.

b*r2011-02-04 08:02

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the only thing you can do is walk away, if 850k is out of ur range
money talks

d*i2011-02-04 08:02

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背景很强啊，有NSF CAREER AWARD
但既然是AP，为啥不EB1B呢？相对来说更容易一些

【在 m********0 的大作中提到】

: 本人国内300名开外烂校本科，TOP5工程院校硕士，美国150名开外州立大学博士。2年
: 本校的POST-DOC。现在美国一TIER4大学（200名开外）作AP。工程类里头偏机械背景。
: 目前正在和律师谈申请EB1A。
: 其他基本情况
: 1）NSF CAREER AWARD，其实就是一GRANT，不知道这个算不算NATIONAL AWARD。律师让
: 我把关于AWARD的介绍情况给她。感觉那意思这个可能不能算NATIONAL AWARD。不知道
: 版上有没有人拿这个算一个CLAIM的。
: 2）英文论文30+，两个BOOK CHAPTER，有一半是一作。当了AP之后基本都是最后一个通
: 讯作者了。引用大概70+，但是至少一半是自引（包括师弟师妹引用的）他引大概30+。
: 没办法，专业很冷，IF最高的才1点几。

s*d2011-02-04 08:02

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恰好我说的这三个例子都是一房……
主要是二房也不qualify吧

【在 N**s 的大作中提到】

: 二套房所以不在乎那个我认识的老中夫妇平均〉2个房/户。当然都是工作了的。

l*52011-02-04 08:02

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1）NSF CAREER AWARD，其实就是一GRANT，不知道这个算不算NATIONAL AWARD。律师让
我把关于AWARD的介绍情况给她。感觉那意思这个可能不能算NATIONAL AWARD。不知道
版上有没有人拿这个算一个CLAIM的。
不算AWARD, 但可以放到CONTRIBUTION中
2）英文论文30+，两个BOOK CHAPTER，有一半是一作。当了AP之后基本都是最后一个通
讯作者了。引用大概70+，但是至少一半是自引（包括师弟师妹引用的）他引大概30+。
没办法，专业很冷，IF最高的才1点几。
引用太少, CASE有明显漏洞
3）REVIEW过三四个JOURNAL大概20篇论文，四五个会议大概10篇论文，还有NSF
PANELIST REVIEW了15个PROPOSAL。
REVIEW足够了, NSF的ROSOSAL REVIEW还可以作为证据支持CONTRIBUTION

w*r2011-02-04 08:02

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Well, got official counter letter, they did lower by 5k, make it 845k. But
that still seems to show they are extreamly confident about their asking
price. While I feel it is worth at most 820k based on neighbouring sales
past year, although I can afford higher than that.Really haven't decided
whether I should try to counter another time to 815k or 820k. Although I
think even that price doesn't have a good chance to be accepted.
Maybe because it is ealy spring, they are not in a hurry? BTW, they ask for
30 days lease back option. I am OK with that since I would not move in
quickly after close anyways. Any drawback with lease back?

【在 b****r 的大作中提到】

: the only thing you can do is walk away, if 850k is out of ur range
: money talks

y*e2011-02-04 08:02

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老大别吓人家了，我我窃以为啥AP啥的压根不需要来这个版或者置疑自己啥的，AP哪怕
是排名200的学校也比个140难很多
更不要说career award，排名50以后的院系，有个这么的funding，甜妞基本搞定80％

1）NSF CAREER AWARD，其实就是一GRANT，不知道这个算不算NATIONAL AWARD。律师让
我把关于AWARD的介绍情况给她。感觉那意思这个可能不能算NATIONAL AWARD。不知道
版上有没有人拿这个算一个CLAIM的。
不算AWARD, 但可以放到CONTRIBUTION中
2）英文论文30+，两个BOOK CHAPTER，有一半是一作。当了AP之后基本都是最后一个通
讯作者了。引用大概70+，但是至少一半是自引（包括师弟师妹引用的）他引大概30+。
没办法，专业很冷，IF最高的才1点几。
引用太少, CASE有明显漏洞
3）REVIEW过三四个JOURNAL大概20篇论文，四五个会议大概10篇论文，还有NSF
PANELIST REVIEW了15个PROPOSAL。
REVIEW足够了, NSF的ROSOSAL REVIEW还可以作为证据支持CONTRIBUTION

【在 l******5 的大作中提到】

: 1）NSF CAREER AWARD，其实就是一GRANT，不知道这个算不算NATIONAL AWARD。律师让
: 我把关于AWARD的介绍情况给她。感觉那意思这个可能不能算NATIONAL AWARD。不知道
: 版上有没有人拿这个算一个CLAIM的。
: 不算AWARD, 但可以放到CONTRIBUTION中
: 2）英文论文30+，两个BOOK CHAPTER，有一半是一作。当了AP之后基本都是最后一个通
: 讯作者了。引用大概70+，但是至少一半是自引（包括师弟师妹引用的）他引大概30+。
: 没办法，专业很冷，IF最高的才1点几。
: 引用太少, CASE有明显漏洞
: 3）REVIEW过三四个JOURNAL大概20篇论文，四五个会议大概10篇论文，还有NSF
: PANELIST REVIEW了15个PROPOSAL。

n*92011-02-04 08:02

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have you done your home about the market? How may similar properties are for
sale now in the same area and how many has been sold for the past 30days?
What is the price/SqFT and how many % drop on average between listing price
and sold price?

price

【在 w*******r 的大作中提到】

: org. price 850k, we gave an offer 805k. seller give counter 850k, same price
: . really pissed off by its arrogance. plan to walk away.

w*r2011-02-04 08:02

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This house has about average price/sqft in the area with similar properties.
The upgrade is average, too. the sold/list price is about 96% in the area.
That is the base for my initial offer. I was planning to end up with 3%
below asking price. But probably because it is newly on the market, seller
still has high expectations. Maybe I should wait a couple months?

for
price

【在 n*******9 的大作中提到】

: have you done your home about the market? How may similar properties are for
: sale now in the same area and how many has been sold for the past 30days?
: What is the price/SqFT and how many % drop on average between listing price
: and sold price?
:
: price

n*92011-02-04 08:02

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how many has been sold for the past 30 days and how many similar properties
are for sell now?

properties.
.

【在 w*******r 的大作中提到】

: This house has about average price/sqft in the area with similar properties.
: The upgrade is average, too. the sold/list price is about 96% in the area.
: That is the base for my initial offer. I was planning to end up with 3%
: below asking price. But probably because it is newly on the market, seller
: still has high expectations. Maybe I should wait a couple months?
:
: for
: price

N*s2011-02-04 08:02

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Be tough to that arrogant ass

Well, got official counter letter, they did lower by 5k, make it 845k. But
that still se........
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【在 w*******r 的大作中提到】

: Well, got official counter letter, they did lower by 5k, make it 845k. But
: that still seems to show they are extreamly confident about their asking
: price. While I feel it is worth at most 820k based on neighbouring sales
: past year, although I can afford higher than that.Really haven't decided
: whether I should try to counter another time to 815k or 820k. Although I
: think even that price doesn't have a good chance to be accepted.
: Maybe because it is ealy spring, they are not in a hurry? BTW, they ask for
: 30 days lease back option. I am OK with that since I would not move in
: quickly after close anyways. Any drawback with lease back?

w*r2011-02-04 08:02

28 楼

two sold in past 30 days. Only one currently on the market.

properties

【在 n*******9 的大作中提到】

: how many has been sold for the past 30 days and how many similar properties
: are for sell now?
:
: properties.
: .

s*t2011-02-04 08:02

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it's hard to say what the spring will bring.
If more houses enter the market than newly arrived buyers, then the price
will
fall. If many buyers, then the price for 好方型好朝向会很快被人抢走。

properties.
.

【在 w*******r 的大作中提到】

: This house has about average price/sqft in the area with similar properties.
: The upgrade is average, too. the sold/list price is about 96% in the area.
: That is the base for my initial offer. I was planning to end up with 3%
: below asking price. But probably because it is newly on the market, seller
: still has high expectations. Maybe I should wait a couple months?
:
: for
: price

n*92011-02-04 08:02

30 楼

so that mean the inventory is only for 15 days and for any listings there
could be two buyers. you are in a seller friendly market now. that was said,
you need reconsider your offer.

【在 w*******r 的大作中提到】

: two sold in past 30 days. Only one currently on the market.
:
: properties

w*r2011-02-04 08:02

31 楼

The zillow estimate is pointing downward pricing trend for this community.
It is down about 20k to 30k in last 30 days.

said,

【在 n*******9 的大作中提到】

: so that mean the inventory is only for 15 days and for any listings there
: could be two buyers. you are in a seller friendly market now. that was said,
: you need reconsider your offer.

w*r2011-02-04 08:02

32 楼

The seller agent told my agent their bottom line is probably 835k, which is
still higher than the my upper limit. I plan to let it cool down a bit. If
the seller can't find higher offer in the next month or so, they will adjust
their expectation and may come back to lower their price. I will continue
to look for other houses in the mean time.

【在 w*******r 的大作中提到】

: The zillow estimate is pointing downward pricing trend for this community.
: It is down about 20k to 30k in last 30 days.
:
: said,

N*t2011-02-04 08:02

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你应该再出815000。买家只是想看你有多大成意。换位思考一下，如果你是买家and
believe your house worth 825K, and someone offer you $805K. There is no way
you will lower the price to the final 825 at once, right?
I suggest counter offer to $815, then 818, and final 820. After the seller
give your the final, and count one more time, and most likely you will get
the house at around $825.
As a buyer, you should ask yourself or your agent what is maximum price you
want to offer for that house.

price

【在 w*******r 的大作中提到】

: org. price 850k, we gave an offer 805k. seller give counter 850k, same price
: . really pissed off by its arrogance. plan to walk away.

N*t2011-02-04 08:02

34 楼

你应该再出815000。买家只是想看你有多大成意。换位思考一下，如果你是买家and
believe your house worth 825K, and someone offer you $805K. There is no way
you will lower the price to the final 825 at once, right?
I suggest counter offer to $815, then 818, and final 820. After the seller
give your the final, and count one more time, and most likely you will get
the house at around $825.
As a buyer, you should ask yourself or your agent what is maximum price you
want to offer for that house.

price

【在 w*******r 的大作中提到】

: org. price 850k, we gave an offer 805k. seller give counter 850k, same price
: . really pissed off by its arrogance. plan to walk away.

w*r2011-02-04 08:02

35 楼

I've already decided to give a counter of 815k. But that is almost my upper
limit, giving the current market condition.

way
seller
you

【在 N*****t 的大作中提到】

: 你应该再出815000。买家只是想看你有多大成意。换位思考一下，如果你是买家and
: believe your house worth 825K, and someone offer you $805K. There is no way
: you will lower the price to the final 825 at once, right?
: I suggest counter offer to $815, then 818, and final 820. After the seller
: give your the final, and count one more time, and most likely you will get
: the house at around $825.
: As a buyer, you should ask yourself or your agent what is maximum price you
: want to offer for that house.
:
: price

s*t2011-02-04 08:02

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我觉得利率是一个不确定因素。或许你等两个月815k成交，但是可能利率就
升高了0.5%。去年11月到今年1月连个月， 30年利率升了差不多1%。
如果你80%贷款买房的话， 1%的利率对这么大数额的贷款差别可大了。
如果你贷款少的话就无所谓了，大不了早点还清。

upper

【在 w*******r 的大作中提到】

: I've already decided to give a counter of 815k. But that is almost my upper
: limit, giving the current market condition.
:
: way
: seller
: you

k*l2011-02-04 08:02

37 楼

做好research，知道什么是fair price，什么是deal，什么价格是overprice
给counter offer不要升的太快

w*r2011-02-04 08:02

38 楼

Thanks, that is what I've decided to do. I will stick to 815k, no more. I
will push this thing aside, not think about it anymore. I really feel the
price still has room to come down.

【在 k*********l 的大作中提到】

: 做好research，知道什么是fair price，什么是deal，什么价格是overprice
: 给counter offer不要升的太快

u*e2011-02-04 08:02

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我建议你不要counter.
如果房子刚上市,你出offer.房主会觉得第二个offer马上就到.
他希望你们去相互bid,这样他就可以渔翁得利.
你现在counter,只会暴露你的意图.
如果有第二个offer,你再加价不迟.
如果没有第二个offer,屋主回头,你就不好再压价了.
所以建议你跟卖方Agent说,自己对市场不太了解,要多看几个房子
再回价.如果房主愿意再降价,希望他能通知你.

price

【在 w*******r 的大作中提到】

: org. price 850k, we gave an offer 805k. seller give counter 850k, same price
: . really pissed off by its arrogance. plan to walk away.

b*s2011-02-04 08:02

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你这个房子我猜得到。我觉得也就值770K左右。装修得还不错，但是位置要打折50 ~
100K.
要是我，就从750K开始offer. counter offer 可以慢慢加到780。绝对绝对不值800K.

w*r2011-02-04 08:02

41 楼

HAHA, then tell me what is the first letter of this neighbourhood to show
that you are not bluffing.

800K.

【在 b**********s 的大作中提到】

: 你这个房子我猜得到。我觉得也就值770K左右。装修得还不错，但是位置要打折50 ~
: 100K.
: 要是我，就从750K开始offer. counter offer 可以慢慢加到780。绝对绝对不值800K.

b*s2011-02-04 08:02

42 楼

3 Bedrooms but claimed 4 bedrooms.
I should take back what i said.
If I were you, I'll pay ~700K, at most 750. I'm glad you walked away. Let's
see which idiot pays 800K+ for this cramped house.

a*i2011-02-04 08:02

43 楼

The worst thing you can do when buying a house is to ask or tell your agent
what's the maximum price you want to offer,

you

【在 N*****t 的大作中提到】

: 你应该再出815000。买家只是想看你有多大成意。换位思考一下，如果你是买家and
: believe your house worth 825K, and someone offer you $805K. There is no way
: you will lower the price to the final 825 at once, right?
: I suggest counter offer to $815, then 818, and final 820. After the seller
: give your the final, and count one more time, and most likely you will get
: the house at around $825.
: As a buyer, you should ask yourself or your agent what is maximum price you
: want to offer for that house.
:
: price