There is some possibility to get a sharp reversal from 2pm.
z*8
2 楼
4步最省料最省时间的laminate/engineered wood安装妙法
g*n
3 楼
那也是死猫跳,加空仓的好时机
z*8
4 楼
How can you have almost zero waste when you install laminate or engineered wood flooring? The laminate flooring salespeople recommend allowing for at least 5% waste. Still, when I installed the flooring from left to right, often I found the right plank was too short and I had to undo the whole row and start all over again. Thus even figuring I will waste 5% of materials ( thus money), I can not guarantee I will not also waste time. In this video, I will show you a very easy simple 4-step process that will not only allow you to save the material (the money) but also the time. In fact, the layout of the whole room can be predicted before the actual installation.
z*8
5 楼
how did you do your laminate floor last time?
b*y
6 楼
we didn't do our laminate, amigos came and played mariyachi
【在 z*****8 的大作中提到】 : how did you do your laminate floor last time?
z*8
7 楼
I will make a few more videos to show you how easy it is to install laminate flooring.
【在 b**********y 的大作中提到】 : we didn't do our laminate, amigos came and played mariyachi
b*y
8 楼
I agree that from pov of techniques and skills reqiured,DIY installing those click n go flooring planks is pretty easy. but, when factoring the amount of work, time and laborious factor, it may not be worth the hassle. I am looking at hand a job to replace laminate in a basement, and tearing down the existing flooring, hauling all the shit up stairs and dumping it, carrying the new underpayment and 70 cartons of the flooring back down the steps...... this simple physical labor and repetitive nature just driving me nuts. if you enjoy doing this shit - power to you
laminate
【在 z*****8 的大作中提到】 : I will make a few more videos to show you how easy it is to install laminate : flooring.
z*8
9 楼
if it is your own basement and you don't have the time pressure, then it can be physical and mental exercise. People in this country has overweight problem. Last time when I did my own hardwood floor, I did two rows per day. I agree it is physically demanding, but when there is no time pressure, it is not a big deal, you don't lose anything.
I me
【在 b**********y 的大作中提到】 : I agree that from pov of techniques and skills reqiured,DIY installing : those click n go flooring planks is pretty easy. but, when factoring the : amount of work, time and laborious factor, it may not be worth the hassle. I : am looking at hand a job to replace laminate in a basement, and tearing : down the existing flooring, hauling all the shit up stairs and dumping it, : carrying the new underpayment and 70 cartons of the flooring back down the : steps...... this simple physical labor and repetitive nature just driving me : nuts. : if you enjoy doing this shit - power to you :
b*y
10 楼
a few points I am making on your statement as well as your method: 1. to start with, most folks do home improvements to enhance the quality of living, such as changing flooring and remodeling. if you leave your home in such a mess for weeks to months before you can finish what you started and restore your living - it defeats the purpose of doing it 2. there is little in your method that can be deemed as new revelation. it all boils down to a good planning ahead, and planning each every move. your awkward terminology only adds to confusion 3. in your video, you are promoting a method to cut one plank into 3+ pieces to reduce waste. this method has a fatal flaw against a float floor installation, the cut piece with no groove or tongue can't be used in such installation scheme.
day. it
【在 z*****8 的大作中提到】 : if it is your own basement and you don't have the time pressure, then it : can be physical and mental exercise. People in this country has overweight : problem. Last time when I did my own hardwood floor, I did two rows per day. : I agree it is physically demanding, but when there is no time pressure, it : is not a big deal, you don't lose anything. : : I : me
z*8
11 楼
1. agree with you if you don't want the mess. My wife can tolerate it, but this is not for everyone. My kids enjoyed such mess: 2. I don't think you have done this, you really don't know what you are talking about. I wasted a lot of time initially when actually doing it (I know I am very stupid, did not figure it out early). No other people have discussed this before. I am sharing it here with everyone to save everyone's time and money. 3. I don't think you understand the method. Who said cutting one piece into 3+ pieces? Do you really think I installed the floor without tongue and groove? My installation scheme is the optimal scheme, optimal means, no other people can be better than mine (the best they can do is as good as in terms of saving money and time). This is the first scheme in this world. 4. many years ago, when I did the hardwood floor, I may have some very minor mistakes (but the above video is perfect, there is no fatal flaw, not even minor flaw), if you think you know this stuff, try to view the following to see if you may spot any minor flaw:
of in your pieces
【在 b**********y 的大作中提到】 : a few points I am making on your statement as well as your method: : 1. to start with, most folks do home improvements to enhance the quality of : living, such as changing flooring and remodeling. if you leave your home in : such a mess for weeks to months before you can finish what you started and : restore your living - it defeats the purpose of doing it : 2. there is little in your method that can be deemed as new revelation. it : all boils down to a good planning ahead, and planning each every move. your : awkward terminology only adds to confusion : 3. in your video, you are promoting a method to cut one plank into 3+ pieces : to reduce waste. this method has a fatal flaw against a float floor
F*0
12 楼
这种应该可以写个程序, 输入房间大小, 一条 plank的大小, 自动算出最合理的安 装妙法。
z*8
13 楼
good idea, 同意。 但这只是最初估计,这APP应该可随时调整, 因为 1. a lot of time you make mistakes cutting 2. the room may not be squared. 3. so currently the algorithm is very accurate for the current row, for the whole house, it is only estimate.
yangyi> 你都没把完工的情况拍出来,说服力不够啊。 要拍什样的场面才能 说服? 怎么这版的牛人都哪里去了? 没几个人能看到这法的好处? yangyi> 这个方法比现有的安装方法先进在哪里? 1. you have agreed that this method save your money, so this is one advantage. 2. save your time: my new method: in 2 seconds, without laying planks, you will know what it looks like, whether there is problem. old method: when you reach the end of row, you either go to the next row or you remove your current row and start all over again, wasting your time.
【在 z*****8 的大作中提到】 : yangyi> 你都没把完工的情况拍出来,说服力不够啊。 : 要拍什样的场面才能 说服? : 怎么这版的牛人都哪里去了? 没几个人能看到这法的好处? : yangyi> 这个方法比现有的安装方法先进在哪里? : 1. you have agreed that this method save your money, so this is one : advantage. : 2. save your time: : my new method: in 2 seconds, without laying planks, you will know what it : looks like, whether there is problem. : old method: when you reach the end of row, you either go to the next row
z*8
23 楼
jimatssf> 如果我铺,先一行。剩下的切割后,铺到第二行第一个。第二行末尾再切 你的铺法的问题, 当你 “第二行末尾再切” 的时候发现错了怎么办? 不大大浪费时 间吗?我花了大篇幅讲 “8 inch rule” and "wrong way to save time"。
【在 z*****8 的大作中提到】 : jimatssf> 如果我铺,先一行。剩下的切割后,铺到第二行第一个。第二行末尾再切 : 你的铺法的问题, 当你 “第二行末尾再切” 的时候发现错了怎么办? 不大大浪费时 : 间吗?我花了大篇幅讲 “8 inch rule” and "wrong way to save time"。
z*8
25 楼
jimatssf 呀 jimatssf 呀, 您气杀我了。 你可放到“下”一行 (next row), 但你这一行有错(本行有错,current row is wrong ), 你对 current row 咋办?
【在 z*****8 的大作中提到】 : jimatssf> 如果我铺,先一行。剩下的切割后,铺到第二行第一个。第二行末尾再切 : 你的铺法的问题, 当你 “第二行末尾再切” 的时候发现错了怎么办? 不大大浪费时 : 间吗?我花了大篇幅讲 “8 inch rule” and "wrong way to save time"。
1. you can not switch to the middle, you lose the tongue and groove. 2. 两寸的right end piece is too small. This is NOT about 好看, this is structure requirement. Keeping 两寸的right end piece is wrong way to save time.
【在 z*****8 的大作中提到】 : you need to watch another time
z*8
36 楼
sorry, did not mean to offend you. Hope all people here share things they know and learn from each other.
【在 j******f 的大作中提到】 : you just enjoy smelling your own fart. good luck
b*y
37 楼
like I said before, the workers typically do this type of planning and plotting in their minds before they approach the row of new length, it's their trade. I observed them making those adjustments and have chatted with a few, they may not explain using the terms you fabricated, but the same essence.
【在 z*****8 的大作中提到】 : 1. you can not switch to the middle, you lose the tongue and groove. : 2. 两寸的right end piece is too small. This is NOT about 好看, this is : structure requirement. : Keeping 两寸的right end piece is wrong way to save time.
y*i
38 楼
我可没说你这个方法一定省钱啊,你别乱说。
it row
【在 z*****8 的大作中提到】 : yangyi> 你都没把完工的情况拍出来,说服力不够啊。 : 要拍什样的场面才能 说服? : 怎么这版的牛人都哪里去了? 没几个人能看到这法的好处? : yangyi> 这个方法比现有的安装方法先进在哪里? : 1. you have agreed that this method save your money, so this is one : advantage. : 2. save your time: : my new method: in 2 seconds, without laying planks, you will know what it : looks like, whether there is problem. : old method: when you reach the end of row, you either go to the next row
z*8
39 楼
I agree, they must have something to use, but I noticed they waste a lot of materials. Don't know if they save the time or not, I assume since they are professional, they must care about the time. However for any non-professional like me, I really had to spend the time to study this. I had experimented using a few different ways to save the time, however I found the human error was also a major factor, i.e. you just make your cut the wrong length or left and right messed up. Thus I presented the template way in this video. In any case what ever the professional are using, they are not sharing because I did google search and youtube search, I did not find anything.
with
【在 b**********y 的大作中提到】 : like I said before, the workers typically do this type of planning and : plotting in their minds before they approach the row of new length, it's : their trade. I observed them making those adjustments and have chatted with : a few, they may not explain using the terms you fabricated, but the same : essence.
z*8
40 楼
你别乱说了, 你根本没有看这视频,连几秒都没看, 因为在35秒之内我有拍我省的结 果。
【在 y****i 的大作中提到】 : 我可没说你这个方法一定省钱啊,你别乱说。 : : it : row
b*y
41 楼
well, for the hired guns they only do what motivates them to get things done quickly. in projects with fixed cost and everything included, I actually observed them saving the material meticulously - since they can keep the leftover to themselves.
assume any template
【在 z*****8 的大作中提到】 : I agree, they must have something to use, but I noticed they : waste a lot of materials. Don't know if they save the time or not, I assume : since they are professional, they must care about the time. However for any : non-professional like me, I really had to spend the time to study this. I : had experimented using a few different ways to save the time, however I : found the human error was also a major factor, i.e. you just make your cut : the wrong length or left and right messed up. Thus I presented the template : way in this video. In any case what ever the professional are using, they : are not sharing because I did google search and youtube search, I did not : find anything.
z*8
42 楼
do you think it is possible that they do not know the optimal solution and they used sub-optimal? The optimal solution I presented here is: 1. almost zero material waste (professional says 5%) 2. 1-second template compare check (I really doubt anyone else can come up with less time than this).
done
【在 b**********y 的大作中提到】 : well, for the hired guns they only do what motivates them to get things done : quickly. in projects with fixed cost and everything included, I actually : observed them saving the material meticulously - since they can keep the : leftover to themselves. : : assume : any : template
b*y
43 楼
I can't run a quantifiable analysis, since I didn't have two projects of the same floor plan to run a comparison study, neither did I have the opportunity and enthusiasm to measure and record. but I can experiment with the basement project I have at hand when I get a chance. anyways I believe high effiency and ultimate costsaving are two conflicting goals that can be balanced but impossible to achieve at the same time.
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【在 z*****8 的大作中提到】 : do you think it is possible that they do not know the optimal solution and : they used sub-optimal? : The optimal solution I presented here is: : 1. almost zero material waste (professional says 5%) : 2. 1-second template compare check (I really doubt anyone else can come up : with less time than this). : : done
z*8
44 楼
beijingdaddy> high effiency and ultimate costsaving are two conflicting goals My point is that people have the believe "high effiency and ultimate costsaving are two conflicting goals", I am just presenting my result showing this is not true in this situation. In this situation, you shoot two birds with one bullet. It is possible those hired guns used some methods passed by other people, or they just think this a inherent problem in the business without solution ( everyone wastes that 5% because everyone says so). In contrary I started the solution with the modulo operation (math). So I did not start with zero knowledge, I got help from mathematics.
the same
【在 b**********y 的大作中提到】 : I can't run a quantifiable analysis, since I didn't have two projects of the : same floor plan to run a comparison study, neither did I have the : opportunity and enthusiasm to measure and record. : but I can experiment with the basement project I have at hand when I get a : chance. anyways I believe high effiency and ultimate costsaving are two : conflicting goals that can be balanced but impossible to achieve at the same : time. : : up
z*8
45 楼
below is another one of my experiments in my project. Initially I invented this method to save material (only material you still waste the time). The problem with this initial method is that it is an "after the fact" method, after you have made error, it tried to minimize the waste. The better solution, or the optimal solution would help you to prevent the waste from happening. So now I use the second solution as a complement, in the case you made an error.
z*8
46 楼
以下的问题都回答了吧? 还有什么问题? ============================================= there is little in your method that can be deemed as new revelation. 你办法有什么神奇的? 全世界第一, 哪有老中第一的时候?lmao 省钱是有可能的,省时间就未必 high effiency and ultimate costsaving are two conflicting goals =============================================
b*y
47 楼
sure, you come down and do my basement to prove it then. fair enuff?
two or
【在 z*****8 的大作中提到】 : beijingdaddy> high effiency and ultimate costsaving are two conflicting : goals : My point is that people have the believe "high effiency and ultimate : costsaving are two conflicting goals", I am just presenting my result : showing this is not true in this situation. In this situation, you shoot two : birds with one bullet. : It is possible those hired guns used some methods passed by other people, or : they just think this a inherent problem in the business without solution ( : everyone wastes that 5% because everyone says so). : In contrary I started the solution with the modulo operation (math). So I
z*8
48 楼
this video should already saved a lot of time and trouble. I am still going through a few hundred Gbytes of video files. There are some tricks that would save you more time and trouble, I will finish the editing soon.
【在 b**********y 的大作中提到】 : sure, you come down and do my basement to prove it then. fair enuff? : : two : or
【在 z*****8 的大作中提到】 : this video should already saved a lot of time and trouble. I am still going : through a few hundred Gbytes of video files. There are some tricks that : would save you more time and trouble, I will finish the editing soon.
in the video's description (the text description when you visit the video's youtube link ), the link is here: https://youtu.be/W04oIH7o5RE I have the following that may help you in understanding: Note that this video uses the classical installation from left to right. Even though the left piece is shown placed at right end for measurement, it is just for measurement, you should not install the left piece at the right end, you should not cut the left piece again. The installation is as follows: A. place the left piece at the left end. B. place a new standard length plank next to the left piece. C. if the new standard length plank reaches the right wall, then cut this new standard length plank to fit the current row. This cutting would yield one right piece for the current row, and a new left piece for a new row. ( The video showed the equation new_left=old_left-custom to compute the new_ left length, it does imply you actually cut the old_left. The new_left is obtained by cutting the new standard length plank). D. the video focuses on predicating waste, if you need to know the new left length, then see the equation below if old_left>custom, then new_left=old_left-custom if old_left<custom, then new_left=old_left-custom+standard
You can sit in your little circle of world and enjoy touting the hell of your shitty invention. We are just enjoying watching your dance
z*8
57 楼
I am not sure why you hate so much someone's invention. If you have a better idea, or if you know someone else has a better idea, you are welcome to share and to contribute.
【在 b**********y 的大作中提到】 : You can sit in your little circle of world and enjoy touting the hell of : your shitty invention. We are just enjoying watching your dance
b*y
58 楼
I have made my points clear to you, yet you insist on touting your world NO. 1 despite others opinion and statements. in your eyes whoever doesn't agree with you is hater; and that makes you none other than a joke.
better
【在 z*****8 的大作中提到】 : I am not sure why you hate so much someone's invention. If you have a better : idea, or if you know someone else has a better idea, you are welcome to : share and to contribute.
z*8
59 楼
you are welcome to contribute and share your ideas. People have different methods. People can debate and argue. The indication of hate comes from your specific word of "your shitty invention". Maybe I am too sensitive, isn't this hate? Do you have anything specific about my "shitty invention", i.e., which part is wrong or worse than yours or other people's method?
I have made my points clear to you, yet you insist on touting your world NO. agree
【在 b**********y 的大作中提到】 : I have made my points clear to you, yet you insist on touting your world NO. : 1 despite others opinion and statements. in your eyes whoever doesn't agree : with you is hater; and that makes you none other than a joke. : : better
b*y
60 楼
that's just my honest opinion - I am sorry for my bluntnes, but I honestly don't know how to sugarcoat it without infringe your sensitive feelings. BTW, this a frigging BBS message portal, if you post your videos aiming to gain clicks and popularity, then be prepared for different voices and wind blown the ways other than what you'd like. peace out.
your , NO.
【在 z*****8 的大作中提到】 : you are welcome to contribute and share your ideas. People have different : methods. People can debate and argue. The indication of hate comes from your : specific word of "your shitty invention". Maybe I am too sensitive, isn't : this hate? Do you have anything specific about my "shitty invention", i.e., : which part is wrong or worse than yours or other people's method? : : I have made my points clear to you, yet you insist on touting your world NO. : agree
my point is the discussion of the specific algorithm, which part is wrong or worse than yours or other people's method? This is what most people visiting this forum is for, people come here to share information or to learn things. The algorithm is very objective, either it is shitty or not. If it is shitty, don't I deserve to know why it is shitty (the objective reason not the subjective reason)?
that's just my honest opinion - I am sorry for my bluntnes, but I honestly
【在 b**********y 的大作中提到】 : that's just my honest opinion - I am sorry for my bluntnes, but I honestly : don't know how to sugarcoat it without infringe your sensitive feelings. : BTW, this a frigging BBS message portal, if you post your videos aiming to : gain clicks and popularity, then be prepared for different voices and wind : blown the ways other than what you'd like. : peace out. : : your : , : NO.
I would be interested in your version to explain it, under 8 minutes. Let us know. Thanks. Note, this youtube video is the FIRST in the world to attempt to explain it. From the comments of this thread here, you can see people even did not understand the 8 inch rule, even though I had explained it in the video for a few minutes. If you notice in the video, from the cardboard on the floor, I have written multiple conditions on the cardboard, however after many hours editing and trying to shorten the video, I came the the realization that some of the conditions can be generalized to others. I have also left some comments in the video descriptions to help people to understand it.
不就是个简单的数学问题 yn=axn+bn n为房间数量,a为每条laminate长度,b是补充的长度 假设c为required minimum length in the end 最后就是求最小waste 如果a,b,c是定值的话基本就是初中生数学问题,复杂点先讨论下b的几个可能性先 熟练工心中有数就行了,没兴趣拍视频陪你玩
us it. for written
【在 z*****8 的大作中提到】 : I would be interested in your version to explain it, under 8 minutes. Let us : know. Thanks. : Note, this youtube video is the FIRST in the world to attempt to explain it. : From the comments of this thread here, you can see people even did not : understand the 8 inch rule, even though I had explained it in the video for : a few minutes. : If you notice in the video, from the cardboard on the floor, I have written : multiple conditions on the cardboard, however after many hours editing and : trying to shorten the video, I came the the realization that some of the : conditions can be generalized to others. I have also left some comments in
z*8
70 楼
You only tried to define the problem and saying it is so simple that it is middle school kids problem. So what is your solution to this problem? i.e., what is your algorithm? Step 1, 2, 3?
【在 p******s 的大作中提到】 : 不就是个简单的数学问题 yn=axn+bn : n为房间数量,a为每条laminate长度,b是补充的长度 : 假设c为required minimum length in the end : 最后就是求最小waste : 如果a,b,c是定值的话基本就是初中生数学问题,复杂点先讨论下b的几个可能性先 : 熟练工心中有数就行了,没兴趣拍视频陪你玩 : : us : it. : for
【在 z*****8 的大作中提到】 : You only tried to define the problem and saying it is so simple that it is : middle school kids problem. So what is your solution to this problem? : i.e., what is your algorithm? Step 1, 2, 3?