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请问IAmCPA about 401k# Midlife - 人到中年
s*1
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税前和税后哪个选项比较好?如果我知道退休后收入比现在少很多?是不是前者?后者
有什么好处呢?
还有401要尽量放满吗?
谢谢。
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w*i
2
对,税后的好处是你现在钱挣的比退休后少的话,现在先交税可以省一点。你有这个问
题,显然现在钱不多,那就是税前好。401k呢就是钱多的没地方用放的。

【在 s**********1 的大作中提到】
: 税前和税后哪个选项比较好?如果我知道退休后收入比现在少很多?是不是前者?后者
: 有什么好处呢?
: 还有401要尽量放满吗?
: 谢谢。

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s*1
3
谢谢。
很有疑问,有多少人退休后比现在赚得多??所以我对税后401很疑惑。

【在 w***i 的大作中提到】
: 对,税后的好处是你现在钱挣的比退休后少的话,现在先交税可以省一点。你有这个问
: 题,显然现在钱不多,那就是税前好。401k呢就是钱多的没地方用放的。

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w*i
4
有不少吧。

【在 s**********1 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢。
: 很有疑问,有多少人退休后比现在赚得多??所以我对税后401很疑惑。

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s*1
5
举例子?退休后的收入不就是来自401吗?每年能够有10万以上?或者还有其他投资,
但是我觉得年收入超过10万还是不容易。

【在 w***i 的大作中提到】
: 有不少吧。
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w*i
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你知道投资吗?给你最简单个例子。你有50个房子出租。每个每月挣500,你一年有多
少收入?其他的投资你可能都没听说过。

【在 s**********1 的大作中提到】
: 举例子?退休后的收入不就是来自401吗?每年能够有10万以上?或者还有其他投资,
: 但是我觉得年收入超过10万还是不容易。

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s*1
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有多少人有50个房子?
你这样说的50个房子好容易的样子。一般的人有2-3个就不错了吧。

【在 w***i 的大作中提到】
: 你知道投资吗?给你最简单个例子。你有50个房子出租。每个每月挣500,你一年有多
: 少收入?其他的投资你可能都没听说过。

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n*s
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未来不可知啊,同学,以后的税率多半也会涨吧,所以现在的钱是放401k还是放Roth或
者其他地方真没人说的清,
知道要放就可以了,老中40岁大都过了SS的上限了,能一直六位数工作到退休的话,加
上SS benefits,放哪里都不会有大问题的。

【在 s**********1 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢。
: 很有疑问,有多少人退休后比现在赚得多??所以我对税后401很疑惑。

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w*i
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我就打一比方,告诉你可以有很多收入来源。

【在 s**********1 的大作中提到】
: 有多少人有50个房子?
: 你这样说的50个房子好容易的样子。一般的人有2-3个就不错了吧。

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I*A
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这个不能一概而论。 401K最主要的目的是避税。我觉得如果能避税,那么就交,不能
避税,我情愿要现金。
避税的方法很多,并不一定都是401K。 是不是要交满,需要看你整个收入的PACK
AGE。你有更好的途径避税的话,交足401K仍然不是最好的避税方法,因为你等
待的时间很长。如果你急需用钱,用401K的会被罚款10%。而且DISTRIBUTION还
是应税项目。
税前还是税后取决于你对将来收入的一个预期。如果你的收入是越来越高,而且你有可
能需要从401K你提现,那么税后是个不错的选择。
你每年报税的时候最好和你的CPA讨论一下第二年的计划。我的客户,特别是收入比较
高的人群,我都是帮他们做好第二年的税务计划的。 HEHE,所以我总是比别人忙点。
我有时是拿着卖白菜的钱,操着卖白粉的心的。

【在 s**********1 的大作中提到】
: 税前和税后哪个选项比较好?如果我知道退休后收入比现在少很多?是不是前者?后者
: 有什么好处呢?
: 还有401要尽量放满吗?
: 谢谢。

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w*i
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说的不错

【在 I****A 的大作中提到】
: 这个不能一概而论。 401K最主要的目的是避税。我觉得如果能避税,那么就交,不能
: 避税,我情愿要现金。
: 避税的方法很多,并不一定都是401K。 是不是要交满,需要看你整个收入的PACK
: AGE。你有更好的途径避税的话,交足401K仍然不是最好的避税方法,因为你等
: 待的时间很长。如果你急需用钱,用401K的会被罚款10%。而且DISTRIBUTION还
: 是应税项目。
: 税前还是税后取决于你对将来收入的一个预期。如果你的收入是越来越高,而且你有可
: 能需要从401K你提现,那么税后是个不错的选择。
: 你每年报税的时候最好和你的CPA讨论一下第二年的计划。我的客户,特别是收入比较
: 高的人群,我都是帮他们做好第二年的税务计划的。 HEHE,所以我总是比别人忙点。

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s*1
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谢谢详细解答,还是专业人士靠谱。
另外也听说401的不算入申请大学奖学金助学金时的收入的部分,对吗?

【在 I****A 的大作中提到】
: 这个不能一概而论。 401K最主要的目的是避税。我觉得如果能避税,那么就交,不能
: 避税,我情愿要现金。
: 避税的方法很多,并不一定都是401K。 是不是要交满,需要看你整个收入的PACK
: AGE。你有更好的途径避税的话,交足401K仍然不是最好的避税方法,因为你等
: 待的时间很长。如果你急需用钱,用401K的会被罚款10%。而且DISTRIBUTION还
: 是应税项目。
: 税前还是税后取决于你对将来收入的一个预期。如果你的收入是越来越高,而且你有可
: 能需要从401K你提现,那么税后是个不错的选择。
: 你每年报税的时候最好和你的CPA讨论一下第二年的计划。我的客户,特别是收入比较
: 高的人群,我都是帮他们做好第二年的税务计划的。 HEHE,所以我总是比别人忙点。

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I*A
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还有收入。应该这样说,30岁以前,可以避税的项目少,而且收入会越来越高,应该尽
量交401K。30岁到50岁之间,收入会越来越高,但是避税的项目会越来越多,对现金的
需求很旺盛,那么得权衡,是更需要现金还是要避税,才能决定要不要交401K。50岁以
后,收入成下降状态,对现金的需求也减少。到59.5岁,需要用退休计划的钱不会被罚
款,就比较随心所欲。
就收入的分布来说,年轻的时候靠工资与BUSINESS,就是ACTIVE INCOME。年纪大的时
候靠财产产生的收入,就是PASSIVE INCOME。收入的构成其实对税收也有很大的影响
的。

【在 s**********1 的大作中提到】
: 税前和税后哪个选项比较好?如果我知道退休后收入比现在少很多?是不是前者?后者
: 有什么好处呢?
: 还有401要尽量放满吗?
: 谢谢。

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n*s
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不算,你居住的房子也不算,不过不算归不算,各个学校都有自己的guide line, 学校
跟人一样,有generous的也有小气的。

【在 s**********1 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢详细解答,还是专业人士靠谱。
: 另外也听说401的不算入申请大学奖学金助学金时的收入的部分,对吗?

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I*A
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你要做任何比较重大的财务决定,和你的会计师商量一下,不会错的。这也是为什么大
家选了一个会计师,如果相处的还行,一般就不会换。好的会计师就是个万事通,一年
为你省掉成千上万的钱,不仅仅是报税。

【在 s**********1 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢详细解答,还是专业人士靠谱。
: 另外也听说401的不算入申请大学奖学金助学金时的收入的部分,对吗?

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n*s
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这么快就忘光了,真是老了,不是完全不算,是要乘一个可以忽略不计的系数,算下来
就可以认为不算在内了,这个有专门的书讲,SSbenefits 老了该怎么取也有专门的书
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w*i
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钱多,特别是来源多的才有用。钱少就个工资收入的就没啥花头搞了。

【在 I****A 的大作中提到】
: 你要做任何比较重大的财务决定,和你的会计师商量一下,不会错的。这也是为什么大
: 家选了一个会计师,如果相处的还行,一般就不会换。好的会计师就是个万事通,一年
: 为你省掉成千上万的钱,不仅仅是报税。

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I*A
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那是因为一般要的是ADJUSTED GROSS INCOME,就是税表上的第38栏或22栏。 这个AGI
是你的GROSS INCOME调整后的数字。退休计划被ADJUSTED了。

【在 s**********1 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢详细解答,还是专业人士靠谱。
: 另外也听说401的不算入申请大学奖学金助学金时的收入的部分,对吗?

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I*A
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钱少的有ERNED INCOME CREDIT 啊。
你几个孩子,收入报多少拿到最高的退税,不同的会计师可以搞出几千的差别来。

【在 w***i 的大作中提到】
: 钱多,特别是来源多的才有用。钱少就个工资收入的就没啥花头搞了。
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w*i
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这个简单,自己看看就搞定了。

【在 I****A 的大作中提到】
: 钱少的有ERNED INCOME CREDIT 啊。
: 你几个孩子,收入报多少拿到最高的退税,不同的会计师可以搞出几千的差别来。

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I*A
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我只能感叹,60后,70 后的钱是真难赚啊。我最怕60后70后,帐算的太精刮
了。从他们手里赚钱,那就是洞里拔蛇。

【在 w***i 的大作中提到】
: 这个简单,自己看看就搞定了。
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w*i
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LOL

【在 I****A 的大作中提到】
: 我只能感叹,60后,70 后的钱是真难赚啊。我最怕60后70后,帐算的太精刮
: 了。从他们手里赚钱,那就是洞里拔蛇。

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s*1
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哈哈,也要看人,我是精打细算的,我姐姐就大手大脚,可能还是因为她经济比较宽裕。
一个例子是她在家里做全职家庭主妇,却花20刀/小时请高中生督促她儿子做功课,我
真的服了。

【在 I****A 的大作中提到】
: 我只能感叹,60后,70 后的钱是真难赚啊。我最怕60后70后,帐算的太精刮
: 了。从他们手里赚钱,那就是洞里拔蛇。

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G*2
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I don't see anyone mentioning this here, there may be another factor, in
some cases, a quite important factor, that may help you decide whether to
put money in 401(k) or not and by how much, that is, the company match.
For example, if your company matches your 401(k) contributions 1:1, up to 5%
, then, I would think, you want to put at least 5% of your gross pay into
the 401(k) to take the full advantage of that company match. So, say, if
your annual gross pay is $100,000, then, that's $5,000 extra money for the 5
% match into your pocket, 401(k) pocket, that is.
Also, contributing money and by how much, before tax, may also lower your
actual tax bracket, so in fact, save you more in taxes (maybe state tax as
well).
To me, it seems to be a no brainer to put money into the 401(k) up to the
IRS annual limit, as long as you have enough money left for your family's
normal living and your company offers good and wide investment choices for
401(k). If you are not sure whether to contribute before tax money (regular
401(k)) or after tax money (Roth 401(k) - but not every company offers that,
so you may not have a choice), then just put money in both, like 50-50? :-)
Also, don't forget, for people over 50, there is an extra catch-up
contribution limit for 401(k) and 403(b) - $6,000 for 2015.

【在 s**********1 的大作中提到】
: 税前和税后哪个选项比较好?如果我知道退休后收入比现在少很多?是不是前者?后者
: 有什么好处呢?
: 还有401要尽量放满吗?
: 谢谢。

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w*i
25
Can not agree. If you don't know how to invest, 401k maybe a good choice. If
you can gain more from investment, I don't see any reason to put money in
401k.

5%
5

【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】
: I don't see anyone mentioning this here, there may be another factor, in
: some cases, a quite important factor, that may help you decide whether to
: put money in 401(k) or not and by how much, that is, the company match.
: For example, if your company matches your 401(k) contributions 1:1, up to 5%
: , then, I would think, you want to put at least 5% of your gross pay into
: the 401(k) to take the full advantage of that company match. So, say, if
: your annual gross pay is $100,000, then, that's $5,000 extra money for the 5
: % match into your pocket, 401(k) pocket, that is.
: Also, contributing money and by how much, before tax, may also lower your
: actual tax bracket, so in fact, save you more in taxes (maybe state tax as

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w*i
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这个就是天生的。我从没有过钱少的时候,可没有大手大脚的习惯。

裕。

【在 s**********1 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈,也要看人,我是精打细算的,我姐姐就大手大脚,可能还是因为她经济比较宽裕。
: 一个例子是她在家里做全职家庭主妇,却花20刀/小时请高中生督促她儿子做功课,我
: 真的服了。

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I*A
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这个还是有一定的共性的。 60后,不论挣多少钱,买东西就是只买有DISCOUNT的。能
够自己做的,绝不会花钱去买。非要买的,讨价还价地烦死了。只要中国的60后常光顾
的店,要不了多久就等着倒闭吧。我觉得有谁和60后生活,那个节约劲儿让人发疯。又
不是没钱,还要那么省。
70后强一点,不会超支,但也不会那么省。还是可以接受的。有钱还是会用的。
80后就开始潇洒了。我虽然不太喜欢80后的为人态度,但是花钱态度我喜欢。

【在 w***i 的大作中提到】
: 这个就是天生的。我从没有过钱少的时候,可没有大手大脚的习惯。
:
: 裕。

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w*i
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你很偏激啊,要做买卖肯定做不大。

【在 I****A 的大作中提到】
: 这个还是有一定的共性的。 60后,不论挣多少钱,买东西就是只买有DISCOUNT的。能
: 够自己做的,绝不会花钱去买。非要买的,讨价还价地烦死了。只要中国的60后常光顾
: 的店,要不了多久就等着倒闭吧。我觉得有谁和60后生活,那个节约劲儿让人发疯。又
: 不是没钱,还要那么省。
: 70后强一点,不会超支,但也不会那么省。还是可以接受的。有钱还是会用的。
: 80后就开始潇洒了。我虽然不太喜欢80后的为人态度,但是花钱态度我喜欢。

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I*A
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我实在被60后搞怕了。这群人收入不论高低,就是既精明又省,算账算到圆角分。数字
反反复复的核对,核对到圆角分。挣他们的钱太难了。我不太爱挣60后的钱。
这群人收入不低。
你有可能就是60后。因为你不欠钱,而且钱到死花不完。要是个80后,90后,多少钱他
们花不完?

【在 w***i 的大作中提到】
: 你很偏激啊,要做买卖肯定做不大。
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w*i
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每一个成功的投资人,经理人对钱都会算的很仔细。你吃会计这行饭,这不是应该的吗
?你对钱马马虎虎,我怎么敢雇你?做生意无法应对各种客人,心存偏见只做容易的,
你生意怎么可能做的大?

【在 I****A 的大作中提到】
: 我实在被60后搞怕了。这群人收入不论高低,就是既精明又省,算账算到圆角分。数字
: 反反复复的核对,核对到圆角分。挣他们的钱太难了。我不太爱挣60后的钱。
: 这群人收入不低。
: 你有可能就是60后。因为你不欠钱,而且钱到死花不完。要是个80后,90后,多少钱他
: 们花不完?

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G*2
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"If you don't know how to invest, 401k maybe a good choice." - This seems to
be contradictory. And I'm not sure what you are trying to say? So can you
not agree with what?
In general, 401(k) plan does offer investments, it may not have every
investment or every type of investment in the universe, but putting money
into 401(k) does also require you to know how to invest. It's not like 401(k
) is a bank savings account or something, you put money in without choosing
anything and then forget it. And 401(k) plan is not a pension plan.
That's why I said, "as long as ... your company offers good and wide
investment choices for 401(k). ..."
Even if you can gain more from other investments that your 401(k) doesn't
offer, there are still plenty of reasons to put money in 401(k).

If

【在 w***i 的大作中提到】
: Can not agree. If you don't know how to invest, 401k maybe a good choice. If
: you can gain more from investment, I don't see any reason to put money in
: 401k.
:
: 5%
: 5

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w*i
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Compare with other investment, choices, gain and risk of 401k are limited.
You will not make a fortune, on the other hand you will not lose everything
either. For people with limited knowledge, experience and time, it is not a
bad choice.

to
(k
choosing

【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】
: "If you don't know how to invest, 401k maybe a good choice." - This seems to
: be contradictory. And I'm not sure what you are trying to say? So can you
: not agree with what?
: In general, 401(k) plan does offer investments, it may not have every
: investment or every type of investment in the universe, but putting money
: into 401(k) does also require you to know how to invest. It's not like 401(k
: ) is a bank savings account or something, you put money in without choosing
: anything and then forget it. And 401(k) plan is not a pension plan.
: That's why I said, "as long as ... your company offers good and wide
: investment choices for 401(k). ..."

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I*A
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不是这样的。任何东西都要讲究COST 和BENEFIT,还有一个机会成本,因为资源有限
。作为CPA,我没有别的成本,我的时间就是最大的成本。如果收费是固定的,我为你
个几块钱花个几天的时间来查找,我还要不要吃饭了?我还要不要做别的客户了?税务
局和审计也都有个SIGNIFICANT的标准。我觉得无限地要求一个CPA精确到圆角分,很无
耻。除非按时计费,可以。你愿意花个几千万把块的来保证精确性,来精确到圆角分,
没有问题。
因为这个,60后的钱我特别不爱挣。挣他们的钱,我少挣很多别人的钱。60 后因
小失大。真的可以为了自己几块钱的事情,耽搁人家好长时间,赤裸裸的掠夺。人家的
时间不是钱吗?

【在 w***i 的大作中提到】
: 每一个成功的投资人,经理人对钱都会算的很仔细。你吃会计这行饭,这不是应该的吗
: ?你对钱马马虎虎,我怎么敢雇你?做生意无法应对各种客人,心存偏见只做容易的,
: 你生意怎么可能做的大?

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a*e
34
这个401k还是Roth 401的还真不好说。我一直是税前contribute.

【在 s**********1 的大作中提到】
: 税前和税后哪个选项比较好?如果我知道退休后收入比现在少很多?是不是前者?后者
: 有什么好处呢?
: 还有401要尽量放满吗?
: 谢谢。

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I*A
35
还有就是一个CPA好多客户,通常几百个总是有的。都是TIME SENSITIVE的。3/15
公司税要出去,4/15 个人税要出去。每个季度季度税要出去。W-2要出去,
payroll要出去。每个人都急吼吼地东西要出去。
如果你要求非常准确,你只能雇佣INHOUSE的CPA.只为你一个人工作,你要多精确就可
以多精确。否则没有一个CPA会愿意为你那种精确性来耐心地工作的。

【在 w***i 的大作中提到】
: 每一个成功的投资人,经理人对钱都会算的很仔细。你吃会计这行饭,这不是应该的吗
: ?你对钱马马虎虎,我怎么敢雇你?做生意无法应对各种客人,心存偏见只做容易的,
: 你生意怎么可能做的大?

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G*2
36
It seems that you may not know fully what 401(k) plan is and what it can
offer, or maybe your company's 401(k) is very limited, so you believe other
401(k) plans are very limited as well?
Every 401(k) plan is not created equal. Many 401(k) plans offer full
spectrum of investment choices, stocks, mutual funds, options, and etc. So,
if those investment vehicles can make someone a fortune, then 401(k) can too.
Again, 401(k) is not pension plan or defined benefit plan. So, yes, just
like any other investments, you could lose everything if you don't invest
wisely in 401(k) plan.

everything
a

【在 w***i 的大作中提到】
: Compare with other investment, choices, gain and risk of 401k are limited.
: You will not make a fortune, on the other hand you will not lose everything
: either. For people with limited knowledge, experience and time, it is not a
: bad choice.
:
: to
: (k
: choosing

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w*i
37
I never heard a 401k plan can trade options. Can you give me an example
which company allows that? If you don't mind, can you share what percentage
return you get from your 401k?

other
,
too.

【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】
: It seems that you may not know fully what 401(k) plan is and what it can
: offer, or maybe your company's 401(k) is very limited, so you believe other
: 401(k) plans are very limited as well?
: Every 401(k) plan is not created equal. Many 401(k) plans offer full
: spectrum of investment choices, stocks, mutual funds, options, and etc. So,
: if those investment vehicles can make someone a fortune, then 401(k) can too.
: Again, 401(k) is not pension plan or defined benefit plan. So, yes, just
: like any other investments, you could lose everything if you don't invest
: wisely in 401(k) plan.
:

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I*A
38
as good as you invested in your stock. The return on the retirement, the tax
is deferred.

percentage

【在 w***i 的大作中提到】
: I never heard a 401k plan can trade options. Can you give me an example
: which company allows that? If you don't mind, can you share what percentage
: return you get from your 401k?
:
: other
: ,
: too.

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I*A
39
Again,just like other invest,the higher risk,the higher return.

percentage

【在 w***i 的大作中提到】
: I never heard a 401k plan can trade options. Can you give me an example
: which company allows that? If you don't mind, can you share what percentage
: return you get from your 401k?
:
: other
: ,
: too.

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w*i
40
If tax rate is same, deferred does not save you anything.

tax

【在 I****A 的大作中提到】
: as good as you invested in your stock. The return on the retirement, the tax
: is deferred.
:
: percentage

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I*A
41
Suppose you don't work after you reach 65, and no other income,it make huge
difference. I assume you use SSN benefit first. I believe most of people
will do. But if you are Bill Gates, indeed, no difference.
For me, if I reach 65,i don't want to make money any more. I like to bring
my debt to tomb with me, not equity.

【在 w***i 的大作中提到】
: If tax rate is same, deferred does not save you anything.
:
: tax

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G*2
42
But for what? What's your point?
And, so, what are you trying to say or prove?
From what I know, USC Section 401 (k) - that's where the 401(k) name came
from, does not specifically exclude "options" as investment options/choices
in a 401(k) plan, so?
And if you look at USC Section 401 (k), there are some other things a
qualified 401(k) can offer, which you may never heard of.
Also, sharing what percentage of return I get from my 401(k) plan doesn't
mean or prove anything, except my own investment choices / ability that I'm
not here to show off in the first place?

percentage

【在 w***i 的大作中提到】
: I never heard a 401k plan can trade options. Can you give me an example
: which company allows that? If you don't mind, can you share what percentage
: return you get from your 401k?
:
: other
: ,
: too.

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t*y
43
你讲这么多理论,拿不出干货有个毛用啊。共产主义好不好啊?
你和他两个PK,奔下财产,谁钱多谁赢。或者谁能多送我钱谁赢。LOL

choices
m

【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】
: But for what? What's your point?
: And, so, what are you trying to say or prove?
: From what I know, USC Section 401 (k) - that's where the 401(k) name came
: from, does not specifically exclude "options" as investment options/choices
: in a 401(k) plan, so?
: And if you look at USC Section 401 (k), there are some other things a
: qualified 401(k) can offer, which you may never heard of.
: Also, sharing what percentage of return I get from my 401(k) plan doesn't
: mean or prove anything, except my own investment choices / ability that I'm
: not here to show off in the first place?

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t*y
44
你这主意很好,我也想搞一大笔钱,花完死了也不用还了。你给讲讲怎么做吧,能欠的
越多越好。最好能弄个几千万,我马上就退休去花钱。

huge

【在 I****A 的大作中提到】
: Suppose you don't work after you reach 65, and no other income,it make huge
: difference. I assume you use SSN benefit first. I believe most of people
: will do. But if you are Bill Gates, indeed, no difference.
: For me, if I reach 65,i don't want to make money any more. I like to bring
: my debt to tomb with me, not equity.

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p*5
45
考虑未来这么多干嘛?现在的享受最重要。我觉得理财第一步,是孩子。然后是房产美
食旅游,开心的东西。然后是收藏界的东西。
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I*A
46
easiest way is to buy house. You can buy first luxury house, so pay the
minimum. now, you owe bank 420,000 (the maxium of non jumbo loan), or 600,
000. now, you need to have investment property. Do small business loan,
commercial loan, you just need 10% down. pay the minimum. the income go to
your pocket. It is so easy to get million dollar debt. probably take you
lots of time to have 10 million debt.
after you pay off your mortgage, go bank to cash out. you can cash out 80%.
you have debt again. so, you see, if you want to have debt, you always have
way to do it. I believe you can bring your debt to tomb. hehe.

【在 t**y 的大作中提到】
: 你这主意很好,我也想搞一大笔钱,花完死了也不用还了。你给讲讲怎么做吧,能欠的
: 越多越好。最好能弄个几千万,我马上就退休去花钱。
:
: huge

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I*A
47
我觉得俺们老中那种精打细算,从不借钱,生怕别人赚钱的习惯真是不好。搞得老中个
个都很WS。有几个钱都是牙缝里挤出来的。

【在 t**y 的大作中提到】
: 你这主意很好,我也想搞一大笔钱,花完死了也不用还了。你给讲讲怎么做吧,能欠的
: 越多越好。最好能弄个几千万,我马上就退休去花钱。
:
: huge

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t*y
48
请问哪家贷款可以Do small business loan, commercial loan, you just need 10%
down.

have

【在 I****A 的大作中提到】
: easiest way is to buy house. You can buy first luxury house, so pay the
: minimum. now, you owe bank 420,000 (the maxium of non jumbo loan), or 600,
: 000. now, you need to have investment property. Do small business loan,
: commercial loan, you just need 10% down. pay the minimum. the income go to
: your pocket. It is so easy to get million dollar debt. probably take you
: lots of time to have 10 million debt.
: after you pay off your mortgage, go bank to cash out. you can cash out 80%.
: you have debt again. so, you see, if you want to have debt, you always have
: way to do it. I believe you can bring your debt to tomb. hehe.

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w*i
49
你这么精明,请问你赚了多少钱啊?

【在 I****A 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得俺们老中那种精打细算,从不借钱,生怕别人赚钱的习惯真是不好。搞得老中个
: 个都很WS。有几个钱都是牙缝里挤出来的。

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s*1
50
我倒是不怕别人赚钱,但是我不想花的钱就不会花。我的钱是有限的,我会把它花在我
认为值得的地方。
我不知道你上面说的借债方式,需要支付的利息会是多少。简单的房贷,如果利率4%,
那么30年下来利息的数目和本金差不多,甚至更多。并且前面同学说的,到了一定年龄
,没什么收入了,还能借出来钱?银行有那么傻吗?

【在 I****A 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得俺们老中那种精打细算,从不借钱,生怕别人赚钱的习惯真是不好。搞得老中个
: 个都很WS。有几个钱都是牙缝里挤出来的。

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i*i
51
谢谢你的详细解答.
借楼问一下什么是AMT啊? 今年可能会到AMT因为公司option的原因. 我有些option买的
时候公司股价15, 成本5, 听说即使我没有卖(没有captial gain), 仍然要交税... 完
全不懂啊.

huge

【在 I****A 的大作中提到】
: Suppose you don't work after you reach 65, and no other income,it make huge
: difference. I assume you use SSN benefit first. I believe most of people
: will do. But if you are Bill Gates, indeed, no difference.
: For me, if I reach 65,i don't want to make money any more. I like to bring
: my debt to tomb with me, not equity.

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G*2
52
没那么简单, 那么容易吧?
When you apply for a loan, one important factor any lender will exam / use
to decide whether to approve your loan or not is the debt-to-income ratio.
So, not anyone can get a million dollar loan / debt.
By the same token, not anyone can buy a luxury house with a mortgage.
And that debt-to-income ratio also largely affects your credit score.
Otherwise, if your scheme would be successful, there wouldn't be any lenders
left.
Remember the 2007 / 2008 financial crisis? One big reason is that, at the
time, many lenders relaxed that debt-to-income ratio rule, so more people
could buy a house and more people could buy a much bigger house that they
could not buy or afford before. (The lenders did that for some other reasons
, but not for trying to help people to realize their American dreams.)
Also, if you have kids and / or loved ones, after you go to your tomb, they
might "inherit" your debt. - This is more complicated.
Sorry to burst your bubble. :-)

have

【在 I****A 的大作中提到】
: easiest way is to buy house. You can buy first luxury house, so pay the
: minimum. now, you owe bank 420,000 (the maxium of non jumbo loan), or 600,
: 000. now, you need to have investment property. Do small business loan,
: commercial loan, you just need 10% down. pay the minimum. the income go to
: your pocket. It is so easy to get million dollar debt. probably take you
: lots of time to have 10 million debt.
: after you pay off your mortgage, go bank to cash out. you can cash out 80%.
: you have debt again. so, you see, if you want to have debt, you always have
: way to do it. I believe you can bring your debt to tomb. hehe.

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s*1
53
你欠的债起码子女不用还,另外一半接下来然后继续带到坟墓。。。

lenders

【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】
: 没那么简单, 那么容易吧?
: When you apply for a loan, one important factor any lender will exam / use
: to decide whether to approve your loan or not is the debt-to-income ratio.
: So, not anyone can get a million dollar loan / debt.
: By the same token, not anyone can buy a luxury house with a mortgage.
: And that debt-to-income ratio also largely affects your credit score.
: Otherwise, if your scheme would be successful, there wouldn't be any lenders
: left.
: Remember the 2007 / 2008 financial crisis? One big reason is that, at the
: time, many lenders relaxed that debt-to-income ratio rule, so more people

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G*2
54
Who said that? Or who told you that?
If your estate planning lawyer simply told you that without any conditions
and/or precautions, you should fire him/her immediately and run from him/her
as quickly as possible.
Again, this is a very complicated matter. That's why there are probate
courts and estate planning lawyers. And each state is different. So, it's
not 这二三句话可以概括或说明的.

【在 s**********1 的大作中提到】
: 你欠的债起码子女不用还,另外一半接下来然后继续带到坟墓。。。
:
: lenders

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w*i
55
CPA同学呢?这么多问题怎么不来回答?
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I*A
56
不想回答了。有太多比在这儿打嘴仗重要的事情要做。
任何事情都不会空穴来风就是了。每个人都有自己的生活方式。有人选择把财富带入坟
墓,有人选择把债务带入坟墓,反正都是带进坟墓的东西,没有本质的区别。
我本人不反对别人把财富带进坟墓。

【在 w***i 的大作中提到】
: CPA同学呢?这么多问题怎么不来回答?
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