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o*5
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http://www.09635.com/company/1917564.aspx
美国银行北京分行联系信息
联 系 人: 王雪莲
区 号: 010 邮 编: 100004
电 话: 65053508-664 传 真: 65053509
电子邮件: 暂无
网 址: 暂无
地 址: 北京市国贸大厦一座26层
Google提供的广告
德图650 水活性测量仪
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a*x
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各位,我现在在购置我的AUDIO SYSTEM. 我试听了几个品牌:B&W, KEF, KLIPSCH,
ENERGY, DEFINITIVE TECHNOLOGY, POLK AUDIO, etc B&W对我来说远远好过其它(除了
一款CANTON的书架音箱,但太贵了)。 我试听的B&W是683,3-way floor standing
speakers. 我想买ONKYO 708, B&W 683 AS FRONT MAIN, HTM61 AS CENTER。 请大家
给点意见,谢谢。我的BUDGET是FRONT 3 (if needed, I can buy a subwoofer) PLUS
RECEIVER around $2500, maxium $3000. 音乐/电影 大致 50/50。
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n*n
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【 以下文字转载自 bluechips 俱乐部 】
发信人: newgumin (新股民), 信区: bluechips
标 题: 救援成本或万亿两房改革不容缓zz
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jun 16 19:32:09 2010, 美东)
新浪财经讯 《Investor's Business Daily》6月16日发表评论文章称,美国的金融和
经济危机始于“两房”,如果不对它们进行改革,目前的金融改革难有实质意义。
以下是评论文章原文:
救助房利美(Fannie Mae)和房地美(Freddie Mac)所需的纳税人成本可能高达1万亿
美元,然而民主党却迟迟不愿对这对有毒双胞胎进行改革,使得所谓金融改革尽成表面
文章。
就目前已经获得的1600亿美元政府救助来讲,“两房”所接受的资金已经超过了美
国国际集团(AIG)、花旗集团(Citigroup)和金融危机中的其他“海报男孩”(poster
boy),正如一位分析师所言,“两房”成了“一切救援之母”。
比起华盛顿钟爱的任何华尔街替罪羊,这两家位于华盛顿的抵押贷款巨头涉足次级
贷款和其他垃圾房贷都要深得多。它们在抵押
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c*j
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牛仔裤口袋大腿附近总是会起包,过一段时间好了,然后过一段时间又出来了。有时候
左腿,有
时候右腿。挺疼的。像是毛囊发炎什么的。是不是因为裤袋里面总装着手机,辐射导致
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a*o
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比browser爽多了.
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r*k
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第一次进城啊!听说停车很麻烦,请问纽约周边有没有值得推荐的停车的地方
多谢多谢哈
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o*5
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自己顶

【在 o*********5 的大作中提到】
: http://www.09635.com/company/1917564.aspx
: 美国银行北京分行联系信息
: 联 系 人: 王雪莲
: 区 号: 010 邮 编: 100004
: 电 话: 65053508-664 传 真: 65053509
: 电子邮件: 暂无
: 网 址: 暂无
: 地 址: 北京市国贸大厦一座26层
: Google提供的广告
: 德图650 水活性测量仪

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z*n
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不错, 货真价实.

PLUS

【在 a******x 的大作中提到】
: 各位,我现在在购置我的AUDIO SYSTEM. 我试听了几个品牌:B&W, KEF, KLIPSCH,
: ENERGY, DEFINITIVE TECHNOLOGY, POLK AUDIO, etc B&W对我来说远远好过其它(除了
: 一款CANTON的书架音箱,但太贵了)。 我试听的B&W是683,3-way floor standing
: speakers. 我想买ONKYO 708, B&W 683 AS FRONT MAIN, HTM61 AS CENTER。 请大家
: 给点意见,谢谢。我的BUDGET是FRONT 3 (if needed, I can buy a subwoofer) PLUS
: RECEIVER around $2500, maxium $3000. 音乐/电影 大致 50/50。

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o*e
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好像有道理。两房不改,大老虎没打还是要出来吃人的。两房的问题其实是政府的问题
,政府要舔穷人的屁股可以,但是不可以打劫其他群体!
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c*3
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牛B,一路小心驾驶。
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p*w
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这个是干什么的呢

【在 o*********5 的大作中提到】
: http://www.09635.com/company/1917564.aspx
: 美国银行北京分行联系信息
: 联 系 人: 王雪莲
: 区 号: 010 邮 编: 100004
: 电 话: 65053508-664 传 真: 65053509
: 电子邮件: 暂无
: 网 址: 暂无
: 地 址: 北京市国贸大厦一座26层
: Google提供的广告
: 德图650 水活性测量仪

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a*x
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就是不知道B&W能不能砍价,DEALER说这个从不打折。而且CHARLOTTE地区只有一个
authorized dealer.
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r*k
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哈哈,多谢大叔关心
打算中间在pitt过一夜

【在 c*******3 的大作中提到】
: 牛B,一路小心驾驶。
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w*t
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B&W 的精华在8系列 。
家庭影院一定要 subwoofer, 不然效果差远了。
另外, 不买环绕音箱 ?
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s*x
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就到纽约接待中心聚合吧。那儿车位挺好找
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z*n
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8系好谁都知道,问题是米够吗?

【在 w**t 的大作中提到】
: B&W 的精华在8系列 。
: 家庭影院一定要 subwoofer, 不然效果差远了。
: 另外, 不买环绕音箱 ?

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r*k
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这个建议好!

【在 s******x 的大作中提到】
: 就到纽约接待中心聚合吧。那儿车位挺好找
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a*x
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8系太贵,我的预算就3000,买不起。打算先买683一对,加个HTM61 CENTER,配个
ONKYO708就先凑合了。现在正在等708,出来就买,然后立马搞定音箱。

【在 w**t 的大作中提到】
: B&W 的精华在8系列 。
: 家庭影院一定要 subwoofer, 不然效果差远了。
: 另外, 不买环绕音箱 ?

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U*e
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长途奔袭啊。

【在 r*k 的大作中提到】
: 第一次进城啊!听说停车很麻烦,请问纽约周边有没有值得推荐的停车的地方
: 多谢多谢哈

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l*s
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可以买二手8系
像BBking的那对冰箱

【在 a******x 的大作中提到】
: 8系太贵,我的预算就3000,买不起。打算先买683一对,加个HTM61 CENTER,配个
: ONKYO708就先凑合了。现在正在等708,出来就买,然后立马搞定音箱。

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r*k
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professor来不来

【在 U*****e 的大作中提到】
: 长途奔袭啊。
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a*x
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不喜二手,就目前的预算,只能683了。$1500 per pair这个价钱的,在我听过的几个
牌子里,没有赶得上683的。当然,这跟个人喜好很有关系。就个人感觉,在我试听的
牌子中,大概的喜好程度依次是:
1.B&W,CANTON;
2. DEFINITIVE TECH,KEF;
3. KLIPSCH;
4. POLK AUDIO, ENERGY;
本来对ENERGY挺抱希望的,但听后很失望。CANTON我只听了一对书架音箱,但感觉惊艳
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U*e
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来拉。俺追星来拉。
记得把签名练得好看一点,pose练得再帅一点喔。

【在 r*k 的大作中提到】
: professor来不来
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a*x
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另外,有没有能够令人满意的wireless的环绕解决方案啊?
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p*c
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慢慢开。。。红牛很重要
俺前一阵2600mile只开了两天,睡了几小时。。。。全靠红牛了
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i*d
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你这708是鸡肋。

PLUS

【在 a******x 的大作中提到】
: 各位,我现在在购置我的AUDIO SYSTEM. 我试听了几个品牌:B&W, KEF, KLIPSCH,
: ENERGY, DEFINITIVE TECHNOLOGY, POLK AUDIO, etc B&W对我来说远远好过其它(除了
: 一款CANTON的书架音箱,但太贵了)。 我试听的B&W是683,3-way floor standing
: speakers. 我想买ONKYO 708, B&W 683 AS FRONT MAIN, HTM61 AS CENTER。 请大家
: 给点意见,谢谢。我的BUDGET是FRONT 3 (if needed, I can buy a subwoofer) PLUS
: RECEIVER around $2500, maxium $3000. 音乐/电影 大致 50/50。

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r*k
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2600mi快横穿半个美国了吧!

【在 p***c 的大作中提到】
: 慢慢开。。。红牛很重要
: 俺前一阵2600mile只开了两天,睡了几小时。。。。全靠红牛了

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V*n
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are you still looking for other people's opinion, or you are all set? looks
like you really like the 683s, which is certainly fine. But I don't think
anyone else thinks they are a good value at $1500 (plus tax?). If you can
find new or open box kef for under $900, I'd say that's a much better buy.
Human ears are very adaptive. you'll like pretty anything after a while (
while, maybe not Bose)...



【在 a******x 的大作中提到】
: 不喜二手,就目前的预算,只能683了。$1500 per pair这个价钱的,在我听过的几个
: 牌子里,没有赶得上683的。当然,这跟个人喜好很有关系。就个人感觉,在我试听的
: 牌子中,大概的喜好程度依次是:
: 1.B&W,CANTON;
: 2. DEFINITIVE TECH,KEF;
: 3. KLIPSCH;
: 4. POLK AUDIO, ENERGY;
: 本来对ENERGY挺抱希望的,但听后很失望。CANTON我只听了一对书架音箱,但感觉惊艳
: !

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s*r
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最好带上小刀,红牛不管用时候就扎一下。 我每天上下班才20个mile,经常犯困

【在 p***c 的大作中提到】
: 慢慢开。。。红牛很重要
: 俺前一阵2600mile只开了两天,睡了几小时。。。。全靠红牛了

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w*t
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这年头很少以MSRP 价格从dealer 买音箱吧.
$1500 真的可以买到比 683好得多的音箱.
不过自己高兴就好。
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r*k
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头悬梁,锥刺骨

【在 s*********r 的大作中提到】
: 最好带上小刀,红牛不管用时候就扎一下。 我每天上下班才20个mile,经常犯困
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a*x
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我也对这个没谱,但预算有限。请帮忙推荐一款900刀以下的,HT和听MUSIC都可以接受
的,而且还得可以ACCESS我的PC里的APE。

【在 i*d 的大作中提到】
: 你这708是鸡肋。
:
: PLUS

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p*c
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啥叫快横穿?半个?
大半个了。。。
多伦多到西雅图,不严格地说就是类似NY州到WA。。。

【在 r*k 的大作中提到】
: 2600mi快横穿半个美国了吧!
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a*x
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I want to find a deal too. But there is no online B&W dealer. And I was told
by the only two authorized dealers in my area that B&W never has discount.
I found a KEF deal. It's last year's model, new, $900 per pair (iq90,MSRP
1500). But I really think B&W 683's sound quality is much better than these.
If I didn't go to demo B&W, probably I will get these.

looks

【在 V*****n 的大作中提到】
: are you still looking for other people's opinion, or you are all set? looks
: like you really like the 683s, which is certainly fine. But I don't think
: anyone else thinks they are a good value at $1500 (plus tax?). If you can
: find new or open box kef for under $900, I'd say that's a much better buy.
: Human ears are very adaptive. you'll like pretty anything after a while (
: while, maybe not Bose)...
:
: 艳

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l*g
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我现在上下学开车0.5mile.阿哈哈.

【在 s*********r 的大作中提到】
: 最好带上小刀,红牛不管用时候就扎一下。 我每天上下班才20个mile,经常犯困
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s*y
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B&W挺好的,我们都喜欢,不过单从demo体验的这个角度而言,你听别的音箱的时候
dealer那里相应的系统都怎么样?你自己的系统配置是什么?这些都是需要考虑的

told
.
these.

【在 a******x 的大作中提到】
: I want to find a deal too. But there is no online B&W dealer. And I was told
: by the only two authorized dealers in my area that B&W never has discount.
: I found a KEF deal. It's last year's model, new, $900 per pair (iq90,MSRP
: 1500). But I really think B&W 683's sound quality is much better than these.
: If I didn't go to demo B&W, probably I will get these.
:
: looks

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b*k
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那完全应该骑自行车啊

【在 l*******g 的大作中提到】
: 我现在上下学开车0.5mile.阿哈哈.
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a*x
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请推荐一下1500/PAIR比683好得多的,我可以去试听一下,683我还没买,还可以选其
它的。谢谢!另外,B&W网上没的买,AUTHORIZED DEALER(我住的地方就两家)都说不
打折。

【在 w**t 的大作中提到】
: 这年头很少以MSRP 价格从dealer 买音箱吧.
: $1500 真的可以买到比 683好得多的音箱.
: 不过自己高兴就好。

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l*g
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山路,车多,危险!

【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 那完全应该骑自行车啊
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L*k
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dealer should give you at least 10% discount.
for 1500 you can also consider bw cdm1

【在 a******x 的大作中提到】
: 请推荐一下1500/PAIR比683好得多的,我可以去试听一下,683我还没买,还可以选其
: 它的。谢谢!另外,B&W网上没的买,AUTHORIZED DEALER(我住的地方就两家)都说不
: 打折。

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b*k
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顶钢盔即可

【在 l*******g 的大作中提到】
: 山路,车多,危险!
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V*n
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what you are saying actually makes me doubt your judgment even more. I have
never heard 683 or iq90, but I know as a fact that 683 can not possibly be
that much better than iq90. maybe you can describe how you demoed/compared
the two. and we can give some advice on how to do a better comparison. I can
tell you it's very difficult to subjectively judge audio performance when
you don't have a good reference (or a lot of experience, for that matter).
to fully evaluate speaker performance takes mont

【在 a******x 的大作中提到】
: I want to find a deal too. But there is no online B&W dealer. And I was told
: by the only two authorized dealers in my area that B&W never has discount.
: I found a KEF deal. It's last year's model, new, $900 per pair (iq90,MSRP
: 1500). But I really think B&W 683's sound quality is much better than these.
: If I didn't go to demo B&W, probably I will get these.
:
: looks

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a*x
43
I have to say the comparison is not side by side. The KEF dealer is using
some Marantz receiver and B&W dealer is using Rotel. I am not familiar with
receivers but I guess the dealers should know what receivers are good
matching for their speakers. The music I audited is not exactly the same
but there are some same songs/music. My feeling on B&W is much better, the
sound is much fuller, the vocal part (mid range) is especially better than
KEF,the high end is similar and the base is also better.

【在 V*****n 的大作中提到】
: what you are saying actually makes me doubt your judgment even more. I have
: never heard 683 or iq90, but I know as a fact that 683 can not possibly be
: that much better than iq90. maybe you can describe how you demoed/compared
: the two. and we can give some advice on how to do a better comparison. I can
: tell you it's very difficult to subjectively judge audio performance when
: you don't have a good reference (or a lot of experience, for that matter).
: to fully evaluate speaker performance takes mont

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w*t
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说到放pC里的音乐,如果你对音质有要求 强烈推荐 logitech 的 squeezebox touch,
最近刚买了一个,很方便,很强大:-),音质也很好。

【在 a******x 的大作中提到】
: I have to say the comparison is not side by side. The KEF dealer is using
: some Marantz receiver and B&W dealer is using Rotel. I am not familiar with
: receivers but I guess the dealers should know what receivers are good
: matching for their speakers. The music I audited is not exactly the same
: but there are some same songs/music. My feeling on B&W is much better, the
: sound is much fuller, the vocal part (mid range) is especially better than
: KEF,the high end is similar and the base is also better.

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w*t
45
683 $1500/pair, iq90 $900/pair, 价格差了40%,
不过KFF的折扣是比较多, 网上也有 deal。
比如这对 XQ30, $1400/pair plus ship. 不过好像是open box。
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/KEFXQ30GB/KEF/Xq30-Slimline-Floorstanding-3-way-Speakers-In-Gloss-Black-Pair/1.html
当然,你最好去local KEF deal 先听XQ30 一下,比 683 好很多很多。 XQ30 的 MSRP
是 $2600, street 价格是 $2000 出头。

【在 a******x 的大作中提到】
: 请推荐一下1500/PAIR比683好得多的,我可以去试听一下,683我还没买,还可以选其
: 它的。谢谢!另外,B&W网上没的买,AUTHORIZED DEALER(我住的地方就两家)都说不
: 打折。

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a*x
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弱弱的问一下,我能把PC里的音乐STREAM到RECEIVER,再到SPEAKER呀!这个LOGITECH
的东东的优势是什么呢?

【在 w**t 的大作中提到】
: 说到放pC里的音乐,如果你对音质有要求 强烈推荐 logitech 的 squeezebox touch,
: 最近刚买了一个,很方便,很强大:-),音质也很好。

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x*k
47
To test speakers, it would be so much better to find a good quality CD of
the kind of music you would listen most. Critically listen it several times
on few pieces at home. Then take the CD to any dealer on any speaker set
with similar volumes that's goign to be closest to apple to apple or A/B
comparison.
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j*4
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AV receiver that has ethernet port could perform this feature.

LOGITECH

【在 a******x 的大作中提到】
: 弱弱的问一下,我能把PC里的音乐STREAM到RECEIVER,再到SPEAKER呀!这个LOGITECH
: 的东东的优势是什么呢?

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i*d
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708不如807吧,都800刀。
b&W作为影院音箱,评价一直很好,你这一套配起来影院效果应该很不错。
听音乐就放在第二位。
是可以找找deal。

【在 a******x 的大作中提到】
: 弱弱的问一下,我能把PC里的音乐STREAM到RECEIVER,再到SPEAKER呀!这个LOGITECH
: 的东东的优势是什么呢?

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a*x
50
啊??怎么我看到的大多数review都说B&w683是MUSIC SPEAKER啊? B&W应该首先是
MUSIC SPEAKER.

【在 i*d 的大作中提到】
: 708不如807吧,都800刀。
: b&W作为影院音箱,评价一直很好,你这一套配起来影院效果应该很不错。
: 听音乐就放在第二位。
: 是可以找找deal。

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V*n
51
well, LZ, there you have it. while B&W does have good driver technology, no
one can bend the laws of physics, which means b&w can't use the same cost to
make a speaker even 10% better than KEF, both being serious research driven
hifi companies (different from market driven consumer companies like all
the others on your list aside from canton). no doubt the 683s are overall
the better speakers. but the iq90s can definitely hold its candle with a
different focus (particularly imaging and sound sta

【在 w**t 的大作中提到】
: 683 $1500/pair, iq90 $900/pair, 价格差了40%,
: 不过KFF的折扣是比较多, 网上也有 deal。
: 比如这对 XQ30, $1400/pair plus ship. 不过好像是open box。
: http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/KEFXQ30GB/KEF/Xq30-Slimline-Floorstanding-3-way-Speakers-In-Gloss-Black-Pair/1.html
: 当然,你最好去local KEF deal 先听XQ30 一下,比 683 好很多很多。 XQ30 的 MSRP
: 是 $2600, street 价格是 $2000 出头。

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V*n
52
oh, btw, the three most important things in audio (means they matter more
than anything else):
1, the recorded material
2, the speakers
3, the room they are played in
looks like 1 and 3 are not controlled here. my personal experience is amp
matters a lot too, but mostly in bass at higher volume.
and like someone in this thread said, you really need to level match the
speakers. without it, you will simply perceive the louder one as better,
period. and out memories can't just tell you which is lou

【在 a******x 的大作中提到】
: I have to say the comparison is not side by side. The KEF dealer is using
: some Marantz receiver and B&W dealer is using Rotel. I am not familiar with
: receivers but I guess the dealers should know what receivers are good
: matching for their speakers. The music I audited is not exactly the same
: but there are some same songs/music. My feeling on B&W is much better, the
: sound is much fuller, the vocal part (mid range) is especially better than
: KEF,the high end is similar and the base is also better.

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a*x
53
Thanks a lot guys! I am new in this area and you guys are really helpful.
After listen to you guys and my research, I probably will go to B&W 683 +
HTM61, MARANTZ SR7002 (old model, but I don't need fancy video features like
3D READY. 700 from AMAZON). It will be around 3000 in total. I will buy a
sony PS3 as my blue-ray player and stream my music on PC from there.
This weekend, I will give KEF last chance, try them again. :-)
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i*d
54
我用过marantz 8400,看分量应该和7002同级,老个一两代。
总体感觉,marantz是市面上家用AV receiver中,最偏重音乐效果的。音乐方面,比
denon,onkyo,yamaha都强。
影院方面,速度比较慢,不够凌厉。适合看言情片,听片尾曲。
不知道新一代有没有变化。
可能很适合你的需要。

like

【在 a******x 的大作中提到】
: Thanks a lot guys! I am new in this area and you guys are really helpful.
: After listen to you guys and my research, I probably will go to B&W 683 +
: HTM61, MARANTZ SR7002 (old model, but I don't need fancy video features like
: 3D READY. 700 from AMAZON). It will be around 3000 in total. I will buy a
: sony PS3 as my blue-ray player and stream my music on PC from there.
: This weekend, I will give KEF last chance, try them again. :-)

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V*n
55
I just bought a marantz 7002 too from amazon a couple of days. now that the
7005 is coming out, the 7002 is a superb deal. marantz has always had a
great emphasis on the mid (where most music is) and lack the power output
required for the bass (in full range audio, half of the power is consumed by
frequencies below 350hz). so this makes marantz not suitable for insensitive
speakers or low impedance speakers. the 683s are fine. but if you want to
play your movie really loud, you can always set yo

【在 i*d 的大作中提到】
: 我用过marantz 8400,看分量应该和7002同级,老个一两代。
: 总体感觉,marantz是市面上家用AV receiver中,最偏重音乐效果的。音乐方面,比
: denon,onkyo,yamaha都强。
: 影院方面,速度比较慢,不够凌厉。适合看言情片,听片尾曲。
: 不知道新一代有没有变化。
: 可能很适合你的需要。
:
: like

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V*n
56
it's always interesting to see people get so hyped up about something when
they are just getting into a new hobby, myself included.

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【在 a******x 的大作中提到】
: Thanks a lot guys! I am new in this area and you guys are really helpful.
: After listen to you guys and my research, I probably will go to B&W 683 +
: HTM61, MARANTZ SR7002 (old model, but I don't need fancy video features like
: 3D READY. 700 from AMAZON). It will be around 3000 in total. I will buy a
: sony PS3 as my blue-ray player and stream my music on PC from there.
: This weekend, I will give KEF last chance, try them again. :-)

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