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四个月娃训睡过程，及请教如何sleep training？5.16 update# NextGeneration - 我爱宝宝

b*22014-05-15 07:05

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申明：有人反对ST,有人不解，有人支持，有人疑问，请尊重每个人的想法。每个妈妈
都是爱宝宝的，我希望st对我家宝宝的睡眠有帮助。我把过程贴上来，就是希望能给别
的妈妈一点经验，无论是成功还是失败；也有st经验的人，给予些帮助。
不打口水仗。
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训前的情况：四个月大的娃，母乳喂养，一天喂8次，每三小时一喂；白天每两小时睡
一小觉，抱着走着摇着拍着屁股睡，睡着了轻轻放下（放不好继续重复抱走摇拍放的节
奏），小觉睡30分钟就醒；长觉是睡30分钟醒来继续抱，还能再睡30分钟-1个小时。
.......最近娃长到15斤了，实在抱不动了。
从娃三个月的时候就在网上查了sleep training的信息，在娃打完第四个月的疫苗后，
决定狠下心！
第一天：
1.上午到了小觉的点，把娃放到小床上，亲了下，跟宝宝说，该睡觉觉了，出门。
娃哭了30分钟，哭到睡，睡了25分钟。醒，哭15分钟，抱出来玩。
2.下午到了长觉的点，重复，娃哭了27分钟，睡35分钟，醒来哭15分钟抱出来。
3.傍晚到了小觉的点，重复，娃哭了20分钟，睡25分钟，醒来哭15分钟爆出来。
明天再更新晚上的战果吧。。。。
可有高人指点下是否做的对？？？或者有好的建议？？跪求~~~~~~~
4. 晚上，吃饭，洗澡，换睡衣，放床上，哭20分钟睡着，从9：00睡到2：30，起来吃
饭，抱着3分钟睡着放小床上，一直呼呼睡到7：30. （估计是娃白天哭得太累，晚上第
一次睡得这么安稳；为娘的不忍，不过看到宝宝难得早晨醒来不闹不哭，笑嘻嘻的要抱
抱，感觉可以继续train）
第二天：
1.上午一觉，没有哭，只哼唧了8分钟，在小床上睡着。为娘的那个感慨....但是只睡
了25分钟（以前宝宝是睡将近半小时后，抱起来恍恍走走哄睡又能睡30-60分钟）。可
能宝宝是不会自己继续入睡？？所以我过去拍拍他，亲亲他，跟他说同一句话“宝宝
，睡吧”，分别隔了5分钟、10分钟去亲下。15分钟后他还在哭，失败，抱起来跟他玩
，转移注意力。

r*e2014-05-15 07:05

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她哭的时候你是怎么煎熬自己的？二十多分钟啊！

【在 b*********2 的大作中提到】

: 申明：有人反对ST,有人不解，有人支持，有人疑问，请尊重每个人的想法。每个妈妈
: 都是爱宝宝的，我希望st对我家宝宝的睡眠有帮助。我把过程贴上来，就是希望能给别
: 的妈妈一点经验，无论是成功还是失败；也有st经验的人，给予些帮助。
: 不打口水仗。
: ---------------------------------------------------
: 训前的情况：四个月大的娃，母乳喂养，一天喂8次，每三小时一喂；白天每两小时睡
: 一小觉，抱着走着摇着拍着屁股睡，睡着了轻轻放下（放不好继续重复抱走摇拍放的节
: 奏），小觉睡30分钟就醒；长觉是睡30分钟醒来继续抱，还能再睡30分钟-1个小时。
: .......最近娃长到15斤了，实在抱不动了。
: 从娃三个月的时候就在网上查了sleep training的信息，在娃打完第四个月的疫苗后，

s*o2014-05-15 07:05

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有时候娃就是要attention的假哭，眼睛滴流乱转还扯着嗓子叫，那种不理没关系。
真的哭起来，眼睛一闭，满脸通红，四肢僵硬，哭的上气不接下气那种最好还是抱抱。
不过我家娃叫叫之后睡着的，醒来不哭的。
lz在娃醒来后为啥要让他哭15分钟再抱啊？

【在 r*******e 的大作中提到】

: 她哭的时候你是怎么煎熬自己的？二十多分钟啊！

p*02014-05-15 07:05

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我个人觉得4个月太小了，，因为也还是要反复喂奶什么的。换尿布什么的。
抱抱的习惯可以慢慢修整，，因为妈妈胳膊也受不了，，
你可以买SMOOTHER之类的来帮助小孩自己睡眠，还可以在CRIB旁边唱歌，玩游戏什么的
，让小孩自己在CRIB有安全安心的感觉。
还是什么SLEEPER之类的摇BABY睡觉，但是不抱，，慢慢的小孩就不依赖抱着睡了。
，我觉得你突然用CRY OUT方式有点不合适。（这是我个人意见）

c*s2014-05-15 07:05

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请推荐一个smoother想试试看。现在娃两个半月大，抱着睡一放下就醒

【在 p********0 的大作中提到】

: 我个人觉得4个月太小了，，因为也还是要反复喂奶什么的。换尿布什么的。
: 抱抱的习惯可以慢慢修整，，因为妈妈胳膊也受不了，，
: 你可以买SMOOTHER之类的来帮助小孩自己睡眠，还可以在CRIB旁边唱歌，玩游戏什么的
: ，让小孩自己在CRIB有安全安心的感觉。
: 还是什么SLEEPER之类的摇BABY睡觉，但是不抱，，慢慢的小孩就不依赖抱着睡了。
: ，我觉得你突然用CRY OUT方式有点不合适。（这是我个人意见）

n*82014-05-15 07:05

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吃饱撑的，折腾娃。感觉她完全没研究过st，就是某天一拍脑袋，就开始所谓的st了。

【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】

: 有时候娃就是要attention的假哭，眼睛滴流乱转还扯着嗓子叫，那种不理没关系。
: 真的哭起来，眼睛一闭，满脸通红，四肢僵硬，哭的上气不接下气那种最好还是抱抱。
: 不过我家娃叫叫之后睡着的，醒来不哭的。
: lz在娃醒来后为啥要让他哭15分钟再抱啊？

b*22014-05-15 07:05

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头两次受不了，由老公执行。光听哭声就心碎了。
第三次后，慢慢接受了。

【在 r*******e 的大作中提到】

: 她哭的时候你是怎么煎熬自己的？二十多分钟啊！

b*22014-05-15 07:05

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你说的都是我关注的点。
1.一开始放下在床上，他能哭出泪来，我们就每隔几分钟进去瞅瞅，以防出现你说的真
哭。从训练的第三次开始，发现宝宝就是不流泪的哭，放心了不少。
2.我怀疑他睡了20-30分钟后，醒来还想继续睡，但是无法入睡才哭？？我也认为睡足
了后醒来应该是能自己在床上待会笑会，至少不该哭。
3.因为第2点的疑惑，所以再他小觉醒来哭后，我没有直接抱他。还是每隔5、10分钟去
看看亲亲他，希望他能再次入睡。但是到第二天的上午觉为止，一直失败。
你的意见？？？

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f*e2014-05-15 07:05

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什么ST、断夜奶、单独睡，都是为了大人方便
你要为了娃好就不要勉强，这都是娃的天性

p*l2014-05-15 07:05

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不sl的话双职工没有人帮忙是要累死的节奏

A*x2014-05-15 07:05

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Some comments, recommendations.
1. About sleep training. My opinion is, same as Dr. Ferber in child's sleeping problem>, there is no wrong way of sleeping. The key is,
the sleep arrangement in your house has to work for everyone. Everyone.
2. About your day time training. After the baby was awake, you left the baby
cried for 15min before you pick her/him up.
Not sure why you do this, and I don't recall the book recommend this either.
3. Here is some of what the book suggests. Let's say baby naps for 1 hour
regularly w/o sleep training. If he/she cries for 30min, then, you will
still wake him/her up at the regular time. This means, he will not make up
what's lost for crying. This is quite important.
4. About your 2nd day, the shorter than usually nap may potentially due to
better sleep quality at night.
5. About your night feeding. Baby is way bigger than 11-lb, the critical
weight for stop night feeding. He doesn't need night feeding any more,
unless he did not eat enough during day time. Then you should change his
eating habit during day time.
6. About the night sleep: 抱着3分钟睡着放小床上. May be a typo? Sleep
training means no putting down after falling sleep.
You are making progress.
Be positive! Just be consistant. You know what's working for your family.
Not anyone else.
Good luck!

b*r2014-05-15 07:05

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说说我家的 4个半月t失败哭太久不忍 6个月t仍然失败哭没有变短 7个月t成功
我觉得t要大一点她能明白了也能养成习惯了否则只是无规律的白哭

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b*22014-05-15 07:05

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baby
either.
非常感谢你中肯的建议！！感谢！

【在 A******x 的大作中提到】

: Some comments, recommendations.
: 1. About sleep training. My opinion is, same as Dr. Ferber in : child's sleeping problem>, there is no wrong way of sleeping. The key is,
: the sleep arrangement in your house has to work for everyone. Everyone.
: 2. About your day time training. After the baby was awake, you left the baby
: cried for 15min before you pick her/him up.
: Not sure why you do this, and I don't recall the book recommend this either.
: 3. Here is some of what the book suggests. Let's say baby naps for 1 hour
: regularly w/o sleep training. If he/she cries for 30min, then, you will
: still wake him/her up at the regular time. This means, he will not make up

b*22014-05-15 07:05

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baby
either.
请问：
我现在还有一个问题，每天宝宝醒来的时间、睡觉的时间不固定，每个小觉的长短也不
一，这就造成吃饭的时间、睡觉的点每天都不同。如何能固定下他的点呢？
你的建议？

【在 A******x 的大作中提到】

B*y2014-05-15 07:05

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貌似答案在3. 到点就叫醒，这样每天的时间就一样了
3. Here is some of what the book suggests. Let's say baby naps for 1 hour

A*x2014-05-15 07:05

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3 is the method used during training. once the new sleep habit, i.e.,
falling sleep on his own is established, you don't need to use this any more.

【在 B******y 的大作中提到】

: 貌似答案在3. 到点就叫醒，这样每天的时间就一样了
: 3. Here is some of what the book suggests. Let's say baby naps for 1 hour

A*x2014-05-15 07:05

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to answer your this question, it is worth to point out that falling to sleep
on his own is one problem, establish a daily sleep routine is another
problem, establish a daily esting routine is yet another problem. however,
they are interweaved together.
your baby now should have learned and be able to fall sleep on his own, and
fall back to sleep on his own. this is new for him, as he is adjusting to
the new way, his routine may defer from his old routine: new way of falling
to sleep, potentially better sleep quality, also remember that at this stage
, babies' routine change quite often, too.
about establish a daily routine, for eating and sleeping, there are
different ways.
1. fixed schedule. clb is an example. some day cares are also usind this
method. i personally do not have experience on this.
2. baby's own schedule. completely the opposite of the first one. sometimes
this may create some inconvenience for the family, say the baby sleeps from
5pm to 5am, yet everyone else sleeps from 10pm to 7am.
3. is q mixed of baby's own routine, with adult intervention. the amount of
intervention is up to you to decide.
I chosen 3, let my baby take the lead, only interfere was to adjust to wake
up between 6:30 to 7am.
if i may, i would like to point out that 8 feedings for a 4 months old is
way too often. he should have total of 24oz a day, more or less. this means
that he only drinks 3 oz per feeding.

【在 b*********2 的大作中提到】

:
: baby
: either.
: 请问：
: 我现在还有一个问题，每天宝宝醒来的时间、睡觉的时间不固定，每个小觉的长短也不
: 一，这就造成吃饭的时间、睡觉的点每天都不同。如何能固定下他的点呢？
: 你的建议？

b*22014-05-15 07:05

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sleep
and
falling
stage
谢谢Arcteryx, 获益良多。我英文不好，就还是写中文吧。
我已经开始拉长喂奶的时间，虽然我对自己产奶没有信心，但是我想试试。晚上由原来
的每3小时一喂，我已经拉长到5个小时。计划在宝宝适应后，在他5个月的时候拉长到6
个小时。如何？还是一下子就彻底改变呢？
关于晚上我仍然抱睡，可能因为我的内心还是不够强大。前天半夜宝宝哭了近1个小时
还没有睡着，弄得我心情很糟糕。所以我昨晚又抱睡了。我现在非常希望他在白天学会
自己入睡后，应用到晚上。我这样的心态可行否？还是totally wrong?

【在 A******x 的大作中提到】

: to answer your this question, it is worth to point out that falling to sleep
: on his own is one problem, establish a daily sleep routine is another
: problem, establish a daily esting routine is yet another problem. however,
: they are interweaved together.
: your baby now should have learned and be able to fall sleep on his own, and
: fall back to sleep on his own. this is new for him, as he is adjusting to
: the new way, his routine may defer from his old routine: new way of falling
: to sleep, potentially better sleep quality, also remember that at this stage
: , babies' routine change quite often, too.
: about establish a daily routine, for eating and sleeping, there are

A*x2014-05-15 07:05

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我已经开始拉长喂奶的时间，虽然我对自己产奶没有信心，但是我想试试。晚上由原来
的每3小时一喂，我已经拉长到5个小时。计划在宝宝适应后，在他5个月的时候拉长到6
个小时。如何？还是一下子就彻底改变呢？
Purely biologically speaking, once a baby is bigger than 11-lb, he can
sustain overnight without feeding.
Is he capable of going thru w/o feeding during nights? Yes.
That's the theory part. In reality, the book's view is: parents should do a
one time change to the ultimate goal, rather than step to step change, for
the sake of the child.
The step to step change is actually for the parents, as we are the one who
have trouble to adapt, not the babies.
关于晚上我仍然抱睡，可能因为我的内心还是不够强大。前天半夜宝宝哭了近1个小时
还没有睡着，弄得我心情很糟糕。所以我昨晚又抱睡了。我现在非常希望他在白天学会
自己入睡后，应用到晚上。我这样的心态可行否？还是totally wrong?
The book's view is that it is very common for people (not just babies) to
have different sleeping behaviors day and night.
Therefore, your way of adjusting day time naps, in hope of also impact
nightly sleep, may or may not work.
From your updated progress, it looks that your baby is getting better and
better falling to sleep on his own (only 5min or so now, comparing to 40min
before). So, the nightly falling back to sleep may just be 5 min or less, as
the sleeping hormone is stronger during nights.
Different notes about why after 4AM, he wokes every 30 - 60min.
This is answered in chapter 1 in the book. It's not just him, it's everyone.
There are 3 phases for one night sleep:
P1 - deep sleep. The sleep w/ dream. Even something is happening around the
person, but what's happening is more likely being incorporated in the dream,
rather than woke him up.
P2 - light sleep. No dream. This is where people will wake/fall back to
sleep many times. You don't remember, but you are doing it. to your baby
this is the after 4am part.
P3 - Deep sleep again. As adults, we don't have this phase again, simply
because of no time. But kids they do. This is also the reason if you sleep
in on a weekend morning, you will be in a very deep sleep.

b*22014-05-15 07:05

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到6
a
；）
我把st也实施到夜晚了。
只是，昨天晚上10点睡着后，不知道为何11点多醒来，我硬着心不抱他，他哭了半个多
小时，最后没有办法抱起来，觉得反正再过半个多小时就改吃饭了，就喂了他，然后立
马放床上没有哄睡，他哼都不哼就睡着了。----再遇到这种找不到理由的醒来，我该
如何处理呢？

【在 A******x 的大作中提到】

: 我已经开始拉长喂奶的时间，虽然我对自己产奶没有信心，但是我想试试。晚上由原来
: 的每3小时一喂，我已经拉长到5个小时。计划在宝宝适应后，在他5个月的时候拉长到6
: 个小时。如何？还是一下子就彻底改变呢？
: Purely biologically speaking, once a baby is bigger than 11-lb, he can
: sustain overnight without feeding.
: Is he capable of going thru w/o feeding during nights? Yes.
: That's the theory part. In reality, the book's view is: parents should do a
: one time change to the ultimate goal, rather than step to step change, for
: the sake of the child.
: The step to step change is actually for the parents, as we are the one who

b*22014-05-15 07:05

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到6
a
对了，根据你的建议，现在每天上午是隔4个小时喂一次，下午尽量4小时（大部分时候
撑到3.5小时）。赞一个！！！
现在小宝宝刚上米糊，我发现网上有说把辅食加在两餐母乳之间，也有说和母乳一起
吃。你的建议？每次辅食的量是多少呢（现在我是把辅食放在母乳之前喂，一般是一勺
奶粉3勺米粉1.5oz水，小家伙吃得很香。从第一天吃辅食后，第四天才排泄，深黄色粘
稠无固体）

【在 A******x 的大作中提到】

A*x2014-05-15 07:05

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我把st也实施到夜晚了。
只是，昨天晚上10点睡着后，不知道为何11点多醒来，我硬着心不抱他，他哭了半个多
小时，最后没有办法抱起来，觉得反正再过半个多小时就改吃饭了，就喂了他，然后立
马放床上没有哄睡，他哼都不哼就睡着了。----再遇到这种找不到理由的醒来，我该
如何处理呢？
Now, about 1 week since ST, your son's own pattern should immerge.
This 10pm put down, 11pm up, it may look "all the sudden" to you, it may not
.
Keep observing him for several days, maybe this is his new routine.
Also remember, they are in such a rapid changing age, that the routine you
are used to, may be changing the next day.
It does look like that you are letting your baby leading the schedule. Same
as I did. :)

A*x2014-05-15 07:05

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I am only comfortable to offer suggestions on sleep.
So far, it looks like you are really making big improvement on your entire
family's sleep! Way to go! Good job!

【在 b*********2 的大作中提到】

:
: 到6
: a
: 对了，根据你的建议，现在每天上午是隔4个小时喂一次，下午尽量4小时（大部分时候
: 撑到3.5小时）。赞一个！！！
: 现在小宝宝刚上米糊，我发现网上有说把辅食加在两餐母乳之间，也有说和母乳一起
: 吃。你的建议？每次辅食的量是多少呢（现在我是把辅食放在母乳之前喂，一般是一勺
: 奶粉3勺米粉1.5oz水，小家伙吃得很香。从第一天吃辅食后，第四天才排泄，深黄色粘
: 稠无固体）

c*u2014-05-15 07:05

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每次都喂一样多的情况下，何以每次睡觉时间差距那么大？难道醒过来不是为了吃？

N*e2014-05-15 07:05

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我家娃娃也四个月了，从3个月左右就自己睡整觉了，开始是从半夜12点到早上5点或六
点，现在是从晚上10点睡到7点，晚上不要吃奶，白天吃四次吧