q*6
2 楼
Why Would You Want Your Kids to Play Tennis?
Posted on April 26, 2014 by Javier Palenque
Tennis parents, look at these facts and make your own calculations:
* Odds of becoming a tennis pro 2 in 10000 or 0.0002. That does not seem
possible.
* Break even for a pro is #150 or approx. $160K year. Dad how much do
you make a year?
* It takes 4-8 years to reach top 200, at a cost of $160K year that is
between $640K-$1,28M.
Mary, how much is our house worth?
* Cost to train per year approx. $12K low end by age 15, you spent
easily in 5-6 yrs. Roughly $60K.
How many mutual funds can you buy with 12K per year?
* Only 7% of top world 100 juniors will be tennis pros and only 1% will
be top 20. Top in the world, not in the USA.
Hey John, did you win state yet?
* Until you win, you need to front end all expenses, ouch! But, I only
make….
* 10,000 hrs. spent by age 18 with odds of 0.0002? 5 hrs. day for 10
years, I should learn to code…
JP article 200x300 Why Would You Want Your Kids to Play Tennis?
When one looks at the cold facts, there is absolutely no reason what so
ever to aspire to be a professional player, and the cost and investment of
time is just mind blowing. Add to this list the randomness of injuries, bad
coaching, mental factors etc. These variables and experience combined with
the real facts make the decision to pursue a pro career delusional. But,
none of those horrible stats are why I encourage both of my kids to play
tennis and to play it extremely well. I want my kids to play tennis, because
I feel that there is no other sport that will prepare them for a life where
they need to practice everyday, compete every other weekend, win and lose,
laugh and cry, become part of a team, make friends and of course exercise
daily and learn their nutrition in an obese country, and last devote their
daily life to better themselves knowing full well that there are many other
players better than them. You see, when my kids are practicing hard every
day, I on the way home, make sure to relate the practice to life in the
future, let’s say he was on fire that day working towards a big competition
, I tell my son how I’m preparing for a huge presentation at work or
pursuing a business account that we need for the business. Sometimes, also
he has to deal with a big loss. Well, at work I also have those experiences
and often have to deal with them. Their tennis experience If properly
focused will help them in the future, I assure you.
As I look forward a couple of years from now I see my kid at 15,
practicing very hard, being fit, focused, worried about how to increase the
speed of his serve, savvy with in nutritional and working extremely hard
everyday towards a goal, as opposed to other kids in his class, who with too
much time in their hands, are looking for ways to get high, getting in
trouble, out of shape, drunk and planning orgies, etc. I think tennis keeps
them, focused, determined, challenged and by the time they turn 18 ready to
be champions in life. Through tennis, I will have taught them the value of
time and how to use it. You see at 18 my kids will have learned the
principles needed to succeed in life: independence, self reliance, decision
making, hard work, balance, determination, standing up after a big fall,
disappointment and joy, they will experience the cost of winning and the
sacrifices needed to get there, they will learn from losing and having to
get up from it and understand that losing is only feedback. In essence, they
will be properly trained to succeed in their lives.
Unlike other parents, who falsely dream a pro career for their kids and
the riches tennis will bring, I use tennis to make my kids better citizens,
better sons and daughters, someday a better father and mother, better people
all around. Better Americans. While it would be great to get a scholarship
to a great school, emphasis on great academic school, not any school that
has tennis. I have to plan for that eventuality as coaches make little money
. We know that the time we spend together, the adventure of tennis made us
closer as a family, kept us working towards a common goal and made our
journey as parents and kids the most enjoyable way to spend time together,
to bond, to get better, to grow as champions, to make new friends, to travel
and stay in lousy hotels because that’s all we could afford, to play
younger and older competitors and to laugh together. To live the journey of
this experience we know as parenting and life. Wow, it seems to me that I
have found a way to prepare my kids for their professional careers and it is
not in tennis. I’ll take tennis’ horrible odds, knowing full well that
for my kids there is simply no other way I would have chosen to spend our
time together, to prepare them for when they leave our nest, to be able to
fly for themselves and be champions in their own life. I love you tennis, I
love you. Javier. ([email protected]
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Posted on April 26, 2014 by Javier Palenque
Tennis parents, look at these facts and make your own calculations:
* Odds of becoming a tennis pro 2 in 10000 or 0.0002. That does not seem
possible.
* Break even for a pro is #150 or approx. $160K year. Dad how much do
you make a year?
* It takes 4-8 years to reach top 200, at a cost of $160K year that is
between $640K-$1,28M.
Mary, how much is our house worth?
* Cost to train per year approx. $12K low end by age 15, you spent
easily in 5-6 yrs. Roughly $60K.
How many mutual funds can you buy with 12K per year?
* Only 7% of top world 100 juniors will be tennis pros and only 1% will
be top 20. Top in the world, not in the USA.
Hey John, did you win state yet?
* Until you win, you need to front end all expenses, ouch! But, I only
make….
* 10,000 hrs. spent by age 18 with odds of 0.0002? 5 hrs. day for 10
years, I should learn to code…
JP article 200x300 Why Would You Want Your Kids to Play Tennis?
When one looks at the cold facts, there is absolutely no reason what so
ever to aspire to be a professional player, and the cost and investment of
time is just mind blowing. Add to this list the randomness of injuries, bad
coaching, mental factors etc. These variables and experience combined with
the real facts make the decision to pursue a pro career delusional. But,
none of those horrible stats are why I encourage both of my kids to play
tennis and to play it extremely well. I want my kids to play tennis, because
I feel that there is no other sport that will prepare them for a life where
they need to practice everyday, compete every other weekend, win and lose,
laugh and cry, become part of a team, make friends and of course exercise
daily and learn their nutrition in an obese country, and last devote their
daily life to better themselves knowing full well that there are many other
players better than them. You see, when my kids are practicing hard every
day, I on the way home, make sure to relate the practice to life in the
future, let’s say he was on fire that day working towards a big competition
, I tell my son how I’m preparing for a huge presentation at work or
pursuing a business account that we need for the business. Sometimes, also
he has to deal with a big loss. Well, at work I also have those experiences
and often have to deal with them. Their tennis experience If properly
focused will help them in the future, I assure you.
As I look forward a couple of years from now I see my kid at 15,
practicing very hard, being fit, focused, worried about how to increase the
speed of his serve, savvy with in nutritional and working extremely hard
everyday towards a goal, as opposed to other kids in his class, who with too
much time in their hands, are looking for ways to get high, getting in
trouble, out of shape, drunk and planning orgies, etc. I think tennis keeps
them, focused, determined, challenged and by the time they turn 18 ready to
be champions in life. Through tennis, I will have taught them the value of
time and how to use it. You see at 18 my kids will have learned the
principles needed to succeed in life: independence, self reliance, decision
making, hard work, balance, determination, standing up after a big fall,
disappointment and joy, they will experience the cost of winning and the
sacrifices needed to get there, they will learn from losing and having to
get up from it and understand that losing is only feedback. In essence, they
will be properly trained to succeed in their lives.
Unlike other parents, who falsely dream a pro career for their kids and
the riches tennis will bring, I use tennis to make my kids better citizens,
better sons and daughters, someday a better father and mother, better people
all around. Better Americans. While it would be great to get a scholarship
to a great school, emphasis on great academic school, not any school that
has tennis. I have to plan for that eventuality as coaches make little money
. We know that the time we spend together, the adventure of tennis made us
closer as a family, kept us working towards a common goal and made our
journey as parents and kids the most enjoyable way to spend time together,
to bond, to get better, to grow as champions, to make new friends, to travel
and stay in lousy hotels because that’s all we could afford, to play
younger and older competitors and to laugh together. To live the journey of
this experience we know as parenting and life. Wow, it seems to me that I
have found a way to prepare my kids for their professional careers and it is
not in tennis. I’ll take tennis’ horrible odds, knowing full well that
for my kids there is simply no other way I would have chosen to spend our
time together, to prepare them for when they leave our nest, to be able to
fly for themselves and be champions in their own life. I love you tennis, I
love you. Javier. ([email protected]
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a*g
3 楼
这两天正在熟读《棋经十三篇》
其中有一句——见可而进，知难而退。
现在俺没有把握的时候怎么办？
没办法，眼光是有限滴，就只能看这么多
那就只好强身健体，谋求将来有机会再发展
seem
【在 q****6 的大作中提到】
: Why Would You Want Your Kids to Play Tennis?
: Posted on April 26, 2014 by Javier Palenque
: Tennis parents, look at these facts and make your own calculations:
: * Odds of becoming a tennis pro 2 in 10000 or 0.0002. That does not seem
: possible.
: * Break even for a pro is #150 or approx. $160K year. Dad how much do
: you make a year?
: * It takes 4-8 years to reach top 200, at a cost of $160K year that is
: between $640K-$1,28M.
: Mary, how much is our house worth?
其中有一句——见可而进，知难而退。
现在俺没有把握的时候怎么办？
没办法，眼光是有限滴，就只能看这么多
那就只好强身健体，谋求将来有机会再发展
seem
【在 q****6 的大作中提到】
: Why Would You Want Your Kids to Play Tennis?
: Posted on April 26, 2014 by Javier Palenque
: Tennis parents, look at these facts and make your own calculations:
: * Odds of becoming a tennis pro 2 in 10000 or 0.0002. That does not seem
: possible.
: * Break even for a pro is #150 or approx. $160K year. Dad how much do
: you make a year?
: * It takes 4-8 years to reach top 200, at a cost of $160K year that is
: between $640K-$1,28M.
: Mary, how much is our house worth?
h*r
4 楼
意思很赞，就是太罗嗦了。
seem
【在 q****6 的大作中提到】
: Why Would You Want Your Kids to Play Tennis?
: Posted on April 26, 2014 by Javier Palenque
: Tennis parents, look at these facts and make your own calculations:
: * Odds of becoming a tennis pro 2 in 10000 or 0.0002. That does not seem
: possible.
: * Break even for a pro is #150 or approx. $160K year. Dad how much do
: you make a year?
: * It takes 4-8 years to reach top 200, at a cost of $160K year that is
: between $640K-$1,28M.
: Mary, how much is our house worth?
seem
【在 q****6 的大作中提到】
: Why Would You Want Your Kids to Play Tennis?
: Posted on April 26, 2014 by Javier Palenque
: Tennis parents, look at these facts and make your own calculations:
: * Odds of becoming a tennis pro 2 in 10000 or 0.0002. That does not seem
: possible.
: * Break even for a pro is #150 or approx. $160K year. Dad how much do
: you make a year?
: * It takes 4-8 years to reach top 200, at a cost of $160K year that is
: between $640K-$1,28M.
: Mary, how much is our house worth?
m*e
5 楼
好文章啊。大家要读到后面的两段，写的非常好。
不过这个爸爸的思路还是太传统了，现在打网球挣钱不是从网球上挣得。打的烂排名不
高也可以挣钱，参见国内那帮子男单们，还有锦织圭。 打到后来费用也不一定都是自
己出。Sam Query 变成职业以后的打球的费用是股东出的。他爸爸成立了一个股份公司
，股东平常支持Sam, Sam赢了股东分钱，呵呵。 当然Sam自身打的很好，股东都赚了。
不过这个爸爸的思路还是太传统了，现在打网球挣钱不是从网球上挣得。打的烂排名不
高也可以挣钱，参见国内那帮子男单们，还有锦织圭。 打到后来费用也不一定都是自
己出。Sam Query 变成职业以后的打球的费用是股东出的。他爸爸成立了一个股份公司
，股东平常支持Sam, Sam赢了股东分钱，呵呵。 当然Sam自身打的很好，股东都赚了。
u*a
6 楼
１）求中文摘译
２）把网球换成钢琴也差不多。
２）把网球换成钢琴也差不多。
S*s
7 楼
这些竞技的东西不都是万里挑一，到不了金字塔顶的就只能花钱而不是赚钱，或者从事
一些教练、陪练的工作。 只有读书才能让大部分参与者过上富足的生活。
一些教练、陪练的工作。 只有读书才能让大部分参与者过上富足的生活。
t*r
8 楼
属实。。。对于扑通蛙，体育就是个强身健体的玩意儿。。。
【在 S*******s 的大作中提到】
: 这些竞技的东西不都是万里挑一，到不了金字塔顶的就只能花钱而不是赚钱，或者从事
: 一些教练、陪练的工作。 只有读书才能让大部分参与者过上富足的生活。
【在 S*******s 的大作中提到】
: 这些竞技的东西不都是万里挑一，到不了金字塔顶的就只能花钱而不是赚钱，或者从事
: 一些教练、陪练的工作。 只有读书才能让大部分参与者过上富足的生活。
M*s
9 楼
是
i*t
10 楼
打网球要比学钢琴靠谱的多
k*n
11 楼
扯什么呢？ 打网球是为了泡妞，足球篮球是为了交哥们。 还职业？ 250
f*k
12 楼
对推网球有兴趣的父母，建议读阿加西的自传《open》。
L*1
13 楼
从锻炼身体的角度。。。？
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 打网球要比学钢琴靠谱的多
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 打网球要比学钢琴靠谱的多
a*l
14 楼
You can switch the word "tennis" with the name of almost any other sports or
hobby, and the article will read just as fine.
seem
【在 q****6 的大作中提到】
: Why Would You Want Your Kids to Play Tennis?
: Posted on April 26, 2014 by Javier Palenque
: Tennis parents, look at these facts and make your own calculations:
: * Odds of becoming a tennis pro 2 in 10000 or 0.0002. That does not seem
: possible.
: * Break even for a pro is #150 or approx. $160K year. Dad how much do
: you make a year?
: * It takes 4-8 years to reach top 200, at a cost of $160K year that is
: between $640K-$1,28M.
: Mary, how much is our house worth?
hobby, and the article will read just as fine.
seem
【在 q****6 的大作中提到】
: Why Would You Want Your Kids to Play Tennis?
: Posted on April 26, 2014 by Javier Palenque
: Tennis parents, look at these facts and make your own calculations:
: * Odds of becoming a tennis pro 2 in 10000 or 0.0002. That does not seem
: possible.
: * Break even for a pro is #150 or approx. $160K year. Dad how much do
: you make a year?
: * It takes 4-8 years to reach top 200, at a cost of $160K year that is
: between $640K-$1,28M.
: Mary, how much is our house worth?
q*6
15 楼
我读过了。 你的观点？
【在 f******k 的大作中提到】
: 对推网球有兴趣的父母，建议读阿加西的自传《open》。
【在 f******k 的大作中提到】
: 对推网球有兴趣的父母，建议读阿加西的自传《open》。
f*k
16 楼
也没啥观点不观点的，就是了解到一些网球运动员小时候的真实生活，有很多是我以前
没想到的。比如网球运动员是所有职业运动员里平均受教育水平最低的。
说他小时候他爸爸对他的训练是abusive training，指望网球赚钱的，他兄弟姐妹几个
都被他爸训练废掉了，就阿加西自己算是出头了，他是宁愿自己从没接触过网球的。后
来又遇到无良教练，感觉一个小孩儿，就是不断的被成年人利用，作为赚钱工具，挺让
人心疼的。
还有就是他在书中对张德陪的评论让人很不舒服，不喜欢一个运动员也没必要贬损人家
吧。虽然我早就知道张从来就不怎么popular，缺点被放大，有点种族stereotype的成
分。
【在 q****6 的大作中提到】
: 我读过了。 你的观点？
没想到的。比如网球运动员是所有职业运动员里平均受教育水平最低的。
说他小时候他爸爸对他的训练是abusive training，指望网球赚钱的，他兄弟姐妹几个
都被他爸训练废掉了，就阿加西自己算是出头了，他是宁愿自己从没接触过网球的。后
来又遇到无良教练，感觉一个小孩儿，就是不断的被成年人利用，作为赚钱工具，挺让
人心疼的。
还有就是他在书中对张德陪的评论让人很不舒服，不喜欢一个运动员也没必要贬损人家
吧。虽然我早就知道张从来就不怎么popular，缺点被放大，有点种族stereotype的成
分。
【在 q****6 的大作中提到】
: 我读过了。 你的观点？
t*r
17 楼
其实大部分娃的非酱油体育文艺 training 是 abusive training，"自然选择"/"自然
淘汰"的成分多于 nurture 的成分。。。俺娃说她知道有两同学，有体育造成的
tendonitis。。。
说白了还就是女人/母亲好骗，容易从她们那里赚钱。。。君不见版上一说推娃"认真/
吃苦/刷题/刷体育"，俺看各位麻麻们就立马两眼放光，四肢发软，争先恐后。。。
// 俺 run 了，勿追杀。。。
【在 f******k 的大作中提到】
: 也没啥观点不观点的，就是了解到一些网球运动员小时候的真实生活，有很多是我以前
: 没想到的。比如网球运动员是所有职业运动员里平均受教育水平最低的。
: 说他小时候他爸爸对他的训练是abusive training，指望网球赚钱的，他兄弟姐妹几个
: 都被他爸训练废掉了，就阿加西自己算是出头了，他是宁愿自己从没接触过网球的。后
: 来又遇到无良教练，感觉一个小孩儿，就是不断的被成年人利用，作为赚钱工具，挺让
: 人心疼的。
: 还有就是他在书中对张德陪的评论让人很不舒服，不喜欢一个运动员也没必要贬损人家
: 吧。虽然我早就知道张从来就不怎么popular，缺点被放大，有点种族stereotype的成
: 分。
淘汰"的成分多于 nurture 的成分。。。俺娃说她知道有两同学，有体育造成的
tendonitis。。。
说白了还就是女人/母亲好骗，容易从她们那里赚钱。。。君不见版上一说推娃"认真/
吃苦/刷题/刷体育"，俺看各位麻麻们就立马两眼放光，四肢发软，争先恐后。。。
// 俺 run 了，勿追杀。。。
【在 f******k 的大作中提到】
: 也没啥观点不观点的，就是了解到一些网球运动员小时候的真实生活，有很多是我以前
: 没想到的。比如网球运动员是所有职业运动员里平均受教育水平最低的。
: 说他小时候他爸爸对他的训练是abusive training，指望网球赚钱的，他兄弟姐妹几个
: 都被他爸训练废掉了，就阿加西自己算是出头了，他是宁愿自己从没接触过网球的。后
: 来又遇到无良教练，感觉一个小孩儿，就是不断的被成年人利用，作为赚钱工具，挺让
: 人心疼的。
: 还有就是他在书中对张德陪的评论让人很不舒服，不喜欢一个运动员也没必要贬损人家
: 吧。虽然我早就知道张从来就不怎么popular，缺点被放大，有点种族stereotype的成
: 分。
l*n
18 楼
你对女人偏见太大了吧。虽然说男人比女人理性一些，但也不是所有女人都不理性撒。
版上放养的妈妈也不少，你老人家不自己也或隐蔽或暴露的推娃数学么，大家输途同归
而已。
【在 t*******r 的大作中提到】
: 其实大部分娃的非酱油体育文艺 training 是 abusive training，"自然选择"/"自然
: 淘汰"的成分多于 nurture 的成分。。。俺娃说她知道有两同学，有体育造成的
: tendonitis。。。
: 说白了还就是女人/母亲好骗，容易从她们那里赚钱。。。君不见版上一说推娃"认真/
: 吃苦/刷题/刷体育"，俺看各位麻麻们就立马两眼放光，四肢发软，争先恐后。。。
: // 俺 run 了，勿追杀。。。
版上放养的妈妈也不少，你老人家不自己也或隐蔽或暴露的推娃数学么，大家输途同归
而已。
【在 t*******r 的大作中提到】
: 其实大部分娃的非酱油体育文艺 training 是 abusive training，"自然选择"/"自然
: 淘汰"的成分多于 nurture 的成分。。。俺娃说她知道有两同学，有体育造成的
: tendonitis。。。
: 说白了还就是女人/母亲好骗，容易从她们那里赚钱。。。君不见版上一说推娃"认真/
: 吃苦/刷题/刷体育"，俺看各位麻麻们就立马两眼放光，四肢发软，争先恐后。。。
: // 俺 run 了，勿追杀。。。
t*r
19 楼
鲁迅说: 理性了还能挖坑么？
【在 l******n 的大作中提到】
: 你对女人偏见太大了吧。虽然说男人比女人理性一些，但也不是所有女人都不理性撒。
: 版上放养的妈妈也不少，你老人家不自己也或隐蔽或暴露的推娃数学么，大家输途同归
: 而已。
【在 l******n 的大作中提到】
: 你对女人偏见太大了吧。虽然说男人比女人理性一些，但也不是所有女人都不理性撒。
: 版上放养的妈妈也不少，你老人家不自己也或隐蔽或暴露的推娃数学么，大家输途同归
: 而已。
l*n
20 楼
是，最近父母版比较冷清，需要流量：）
【在 t*******r 的大作中提到】
: 鲁迅说: 理性了还能挖坑么？
【在 t*******r 的大作中提到】
: 鲁迅说: 理性了还能挖坑么？
f*8
21 楼
就是锻炼身体，打着好玩，不是说学打网球就是为了打比赛，学唱歌就是为了当歌星啊
，我会让我儿子女儿都打打球学唱歌跳舞，就是为了玩和朋友一起having fun的。。
，我会让我儿子女儿都打打球学唱歌跳舞，就是为了玩和朋友一起having fun的。。
M*o
22 楼
Bomber: The clue's in the name: Janus Cars.
Sherlock: Why would you be giving me a clue?
Bomber: Why does anyone do anything? Because I'm bored. We were meant for
each other, Sherlock.
Sherlock: Then talk to me in your own voice.
Bomber: Patience. - See more at: http://www.planetclaire.org/quotes/sherlock/series-one/the-great-game/#sthash.kHSQapYj.dpuf
这句话让我印象深刻“Why does anyone do anything? Because I'm bored.”
搞体育、艺术都是为了生活更有意思
Sherlock: Why would you be giving me a clue?
Bomber: Why does anyone do anything? Because I'm bored. We were meant for
each other, Sherlock.
Sherlock: Then talk to me in your own voice.
Bomber: Patience. - See more at: http://www.planetclaire.org/quotes/sherlock/series-one/the-great-game/#sthash.kHSQapYj.dpuf
这句话让我印象深刻“Why does anyone do anything? Because I'm bored.”
搞体育、艺术都是为了生活更有意思
l*a
23 楼
我就希望能把娃推到能和我对打就行了
【在 f*****8 的大作中提到】
: 就是锻炼身体，打着好玩，不是说学打网球就是为了打比赛，学唱歌就是为了当歌星啊
: ，我会让我儿子女儿都打打球学唱歌跳舞，就是为了玩和朋友一起having fun的。。
【在 f*****8 的大作中提到】
: 就是锻炼身体，打着好玩，不是说学打网球就是为了打比赛，学唱歌就是为了当歌星啊
: ，我会让我儿子女儿都打打球学唱歌跳舞，就是为了玩和朋友一起having fun的。。
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