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AT&T有哪些smartphone能支持中文的？

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G*d2009-10-09 07:10

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看了好多好多review
谢谢Dotaallstars推荐的sonus faber
至少从review上看sonus faber比dynaudio/bowers&wilkins/vienna accoustics更适合我
BW/dynaudio似乎都是以neutral/analytical见长
sonus faber以laid back见长。。。更适合classical（只听classical）
至少从我过去对耳机的比较来说，我更喜欢laid-back/warm, 更喜欢hd650 而不是akg
702/
701（这两个是side-by-side比较过很久）
vienna accoustics(主要指haydn)似乎在BW/dynaudio和sonus faber两种风格之间，稍
微偏向sonus faber这边
鄙人井底之蛙，还没看到linn/psb类似产品的review，欢迎大家的各种意见

a*e2009-10-09 07:10

2 楼

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a*92009-10-09 07:10

3 楼

打出来的pdf每个字母之间的间隔一下变的巨大
我把一个好的pdf用pdf printer打出来也是这个德行, 截图如下
如果是ps文件就没有问题
有人遇到过这个问题么

S*F2009-10-09 07:10

4 楼

有全键盘或者触摸屏的
能刷中文系统或界面最好，或者能通过加中文包能读能输入中文也可
版上考古发现已知的除了iphone好像还有nokia e71x, samsung jack, lg incite
还有别的么？比如samsung solstice, samsung impression, samsung propel, nokia
surge 6790, lg xenon, lg neon等等可否？

D*s2009-10-09 07:10

5 楼

俺还推荐了pmc呢。。。tannoy也挺好。
不过sonus的木料和喷漆就是好，养眼。

s*y2009-10-09 07:10

6 楼

same here, but when i print chinese pdf file, everything looks perfect :)

M*j2009-10-09 07:10

7 楼

smartphone难道不都是可以搞搞中文支持么？

G*d2009-10-09 07:10

8 楼

pmc那个是monitor吧？
tonnoy哪款？

【在 D**********s 的大作中提到】

: 俺还推荐了pmc呢。。。tannoy也挺好。
: 不过sonus的木料和喷漆就是好，养眼。

L*n2009-10-09 07:10

9 楼

换acrobat reader试试?evince还是差点. 顺便,你是什么gtk theme?

【在 a****9 的大作中提到】

: 打出来的pdf每个字母之间的间隔一下变的巨大
: 我把一个好的pdf用pdf printer打出来也是这个德行, 截图如下
: 如果是ps文件就没有问题
: 有人遇到过这个问题么

l*r2009-10-09 07:10

10 楼

blackberry

nokia

【在 S***F 的大作中提到】

: 有全键盘或者触摸屏的
: 能刷中文系统或界面最好，或者能通过加中文包能读能输入中文也可
: 版上考古发现已知的除了iphone好像还有nokia e71x, samsung jack, lg incite
: 还有别的么？比如samsung solstice, samsung impression, samsung propel, nokia
: surge 6790, lg xenon, lg neon等等可否？

D*s2009-10-09 07:10

11 楼

可以去他们家网站看看http://www.pmc-speakers.com/，hifi做的不错。我在新街口听过TB2和MB2，AA的转盘前级和后级。单元的素质不错。
天朗自然要听同轴喇叭了，看看bluebook有没有价位比较好的，没听过几耳朵天朗的书架

【在 G********d 的大作中提到】

: pmc那个是monitor吧？
: tonnoy哪款？

A*s2009-10-09 07:10

12 楼

Palm OS的没问题

nokia

【在 S***F 的大作中提到】

j*k2009-10-09 07:10

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sonus faber is excellent if you like mostly chamber music, especially
strings... it has the sound to die for.
sonus faber is NOT too good when it comes to piano sonatas or large scale
orchastras, not dynamic enough and lacks a little bit of transperancy.
There is no one set of standard with speakers though. It really depends on
the type of music you listen to. You should listen to these speakers
yourself before buying.
I am using Piega C3 LTD (family room) and PMC OB1 (dedicated listening room)
. The Piega is excellent with piano playback and female vocal. It is warm
but very transparent. The PMC is great with Jazz and rock&roll...

n*n2009-10-09 07:10

14 楼

只要是smartphone搞一搞都能支持中文。
米国好像就at&t的网络是支持中文短信互发的吧？

D*s2009-10-09 07:10

15 楼

一个品牌没有那么绝对，sonus很多用的都是单拿的单元，延伸和transperancy都不错
，像extrama，大小名琴，管弦乐，钢琴，人声，摇滚都不错。
PMC几只箱子中频挺丰满的，人声尤其女声比那些小音圈大振膜好听多少倍。PMC的音染
算是比较小的了，空间感稍微压缩了一点，也有可能是AA的问题，或者是近距离中频声
压较高，需要比较大的箱子和屋子才出得来bw801的宽松大气。对了，老bw801声音特点
和推好的hd650还是挺像的。
曼哈顿应该有门店吧，去听听。

room)

【在 j***k 的大作中提到】

: sonus faber is excellent if you like mostly chamber music, especially
: strings... it has the sound to die for.
: sonus faber is NOT too good when it comes to piano sonatas or large scale
: orchastras, not dynamic enough and lacks a little bit of transperancy.
: There is no one set of standard with speakers though. It really depends on
: the type of music you listen to. You should listen to these speakers
: yourself before buying.
: I am using Piega C3 LTD (family room) and PMC OB1 (dedicated listening room)
: . The Piega is excellent with piano playback and female vocal. It is warm
: but very transparent. The PMC is great with Jazz and rock&roll...

a*a2009-10-09 07:10

16 楼

直接支持中文的好像只有iphone？

j*k2009-10-09 07:10

17 楼

everytime i go to one of those stores, I end up buying something... I will
try to stay away from those stores until I recover from the biggest purchase
of my life, a house.. ;-)
I am also pretty happy with what I have and the synergy of all my components
. In the family room, the combo is Linn Unidisk SC > Accustic Arts Power I
Amp > Piega C3 LTD. In my listening room the combo is Basis 2001 turntable (
dynavector 17DIII cartridge > Linn Linto phono amp > Viva Solista LT Amp >
PMC OB1.
The listening room is analog only while the family room is digital... ;-)

【在 D**********s 的大作中提到】

: 一个品牌没有那么绝对，sonus很多用的都是单拿的单元，延伸和transperancy都不错
: ，像extrama，大小名琴，管弦乐，钢琴，人声，摇滚都不错。
: PMC几只箱子中频挺丰满的，人声尤其女声比那些小音圈大振膜好听多少倍。PMC的音染
: 算是比较小的了，空间感稍微压缩了一点，也有可能是AA的问题，或者是近距离中频声
: 压较高，需要比较大的箱子和屋子才出得来bw801的宽松大气。对了，老bw801声音特点
: 和推好的hd650还是挺像的。
: 曼哈顿应该有门店吧，去听听。
:
: room)

F*e2009-10-09 07:10

18 楼

just got chinese done on my new Pure (Diamond2)

G*d2009-10-09 07:10

19 楼

你的器材我全都没听说。。。估计都是天价。。。
我买得起的dynamic range好的有点啥牌子？
目前那个sonus faber domus concertino我还算能买得起used。。。

room)

【在 j***k 的大作中提到】

a*62009-10-09 07:10

20 楼

不支持中文就是idiot phone了

j*k2009-10-09 07:10

21 楼

If your buget is $600 and has to be a bookself, I would buy either
Silverline Minuet (new) or Linn Tukan (used). Both speakers are very dynamic
and don't require you to have a super power amp to match. I have heard the
Minuet on a 3W SET amp, and the sound is just beautiful. Minuet would sound
better with a tube amp than solid state though. The Tukan is even more
dynamic but because Linn had stop making them in 2001, you would have to be
careful when buying used. They are at least 10 years old now.
I really do like Sonus Faber.. But it really belongs to Szeryng playing
Mozart violin sonatas...
Glen Gould's Bach would for sure sound better with a Linn Tukan... ;-)
just my 2 cents..

j*k2009-10-09 07:10

22 楼

but whatever we say here or whever the review you read on Audiogon, they are
purely subjective at best. NYC has a lot of good shops so you should take
advantage of it and visit a few. The more you listen, the more you know.
buying speakers is like getting a wife. you should not pay too much
attention to others' reviews and only buy what you like..

i*d2009-10-09 07:10

23 楼

sonus faber看到实物也很特别。
单元皱皱的，木头箱整块的。

合我
akg

【在 G********d 的大作中提到】

: 看了好多好多review
: 谢谢Dotaallstars推荐的sonus faber
: 至少从review上看sonus faber比dynaudio/bowers&wilkins/vienna accoustics更适合我
: BW/dynaudio似乎都是以neutral/analytical见长
: sonus faber以laid back见长。。。更适合classical（只听classical）
: 至少从我过去对耳机的比较来说，我更喜欢laid-back/warm, 更喜欢hd650 而不是akg
: 702/
: 701（这两个是side-by-side比较过很久）
: vienna accoustics(主要指haydn)似乎在BW/dynaudio和sonus faber两种风格之间，稍
: 微偏向sonus faber这边

G*d2009-10-09 07:10

24 楼

Thank you so much for your advice.
classical music is diverse. I listen from monteverdi to schoenberg.
Probably none of bookshelves will sound great with Mahler's symphonies or
Wagner's Rings. Quite a lot of monitors/bookshelves might do well with
chamber music. With my budget(maybe below 1000 for used) and within
bookshelves, a compromise shall always be made.
Mahler might be labeled to be dynamic by listeners of old generation. But
some modern recordings of period performance of classical/baroque composers
such as Mozart/Bach can be more dynamic. (I always love Glenn's Bach and
Grumiaux's Mozart. The choice of ID for Mitbbs has little to do with my
overall taste of music.) Personally I listen to Beethoven 30% of time, Bach
25%. I listen to old recordings such as Schnabel and Furtwangler quite often
.
Moreover, I really prefer non-fatigue speakers to analytical ones.
Harpsichord can sound very fatiguing. So is Mahler.
BTW, how is the bass of Silverline Minuet and Linn Tukan? compared to domus
concertino or VA Haydn grand?

dynamic
the
sound
be

【在 j***k 的大作中提到】

: If your buget is $600 and has to be a bookself, I would buy either
: Silverline Minuet (new) or Linn Tukan (used). Both speakers are very dynamic
: and don't require you to have a super power amp to match. I have heard the
: Minuet on a 3W SET amp, and the sound is just beautiful. Minuet would sound
: better with a tube amp than solid state though. The Tukan is even more
: dynamic but because Linn had stop making them in 2001, you would have to be
: careful when buying used. They are at least 10 years old now.
: I really do like Sonus Faber.. But it really belongs to Szeryng playing
: Mozart violin sonatas...
: Glen Gould's Bach would for sure sound better with a Linn Tukan... ;-)

G*d2009-10-09 07:10

25 楼

我觉得sonus faber看着特难看。。。
特别是黑包皮的。。。
我喜欢geek型的比如这样的

【在 i*d 的大作中提到】

: sonus faber看到实物也很特别。
: 单元皱皱的，木头箱整块的。
:
: 合我
: akg

D*s2009-10-09 07:10

26 楼

Dynaudio Contour 1.3 MkII经典书架，低频不错高频自然没的说，淘一淘应该和
concertino差不多。audiogon上面有卖5件套的。
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrmoni&1318116177&/Dyn

【在 G********d 的大作中提到】

: 你的器材我全都没听说。。。估计都是天价。。。
: 我买得起的dynamic range好的有点啥牌子？
: 目前那个sonus faber domus concertino我还算能买得起used。。。
:
: room)

D*s2009-10-09 07:10

27 楼

sonus faber难看。。。大家都要笑了啊。。。sonus是最霸气侧漏的箱子了

【在 G********d 的大作中提到】

: 我觉得sonus faber看着特难看。。。
: 特别是黑包皮的。。。
: 我喜欢geek型的比如这样的

G*d2009-10-09 07:10

28 楼

我觉得吧 SF的外观是花心思迎合大多数人的我这样的geek没有被覆盖到。。。

【在 D**********s 的大作中提到】

: sonus faber难看。。。大家都要笑了啊。。。sonus是最霸气侧漏的箱子了

D*s2009-10-09 07:10

29 楼

侧漏啊侧漏

【在 G********d 的大作中提到】

: 我觉得sonus faber看着特难看。。。
: 特别是黑包皮的。。。
: 我喜欢geek型的比如这样的

G*d2009-10-09 07:10

30 楼

这些书架箱子 silverline minuet, linn katan, dynaudio contour 1.3, dynaudio
focus 110, VA haydn, SF concertino domus, ...哪个低音相对好点儿？

【在 D**********s 的大作中提到】

: Dynaudio Contour 1.3 MkII经典书架，低频不错高频自然没的说，淘一淘应该和
: concertino差不多。audiogon上面有卖5件套的。
: http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrmoni&1318116177&/Dyn

D*s2009-10-09 07:10

31 楼

这个简单，查一查音盆尺寸和分频点就知道了。我估计还是1.3下潜好

【在 G********d 的大作中提到】

: 这些书架箱子 silverline minuet, linn katan, dynaudio contour 1.3, dynaudio
: focus 110, VA haydn, SF concertino domus, ...哪个低音相对好点儿？

G*d2009-10-09 07:10

32 楼

dyna focus 110
45 Hz5 kHz (3 dB)
dyna focus 140
41 Hz5 kHz (3 dB)
va haydn grand
42-20000 Hz 5” Bass/Midrange Driver
sf domus concertino
找到了
50 Hz - 20.000 Hz
sf toy
60 Hz – 25.000
sf 老concertino
Frequency response: 55-20,000 Hz, + 3 dB
linn katan
75Hz to 20kHz (+/-3dB)
silverline minuet
60 - 28,000 Hz

G*d2009-10-09 07:10

33 楼

dyna focus 140的分析
http://www.stereophile.com/content/dynaudio-focus-140-loudspeak

D*s2009-10-09 07:10

34 楼

另外sf和单拿中低音单元还有一个特点，就是音圈尺寸比较大，比如，7寸的单元，音
圈就要有5寸，虽然驱动起来更难，但是细节不会拖泥带水，真理之书里面提到过。

【在 G********d 的大作中提到】

: dyna focus 140的分析
: http://www.stereophile.com/content/dynaudio-focus-140-loudspeak

G*d2009-10-09 07:10

35 楼

中规中矩估计就dyna focus 140了

D*s2009-10-09 07:10

36 楼

有套乌托邦，国内贪官的家庭影院箱
http://cgi.ebay.com/pair-jm-labs-utopias-/220827326498?pt=Speak

【在 G********d 的大作中提到】

: 中规中矩估计就dyna focus 140了

G*d2009-10-09 07:10

37 楼

膜拜啊。。。。
我可烧不起啊。。。

【在 D**********s 的大作中提到】

: 有套乌托邦，国内贪官的家庭影院箱
: http://cgi.ebay.com/pair-jm-labs-utopias-/220827326498?pt=Speak

D*s2009-10-09 07:10

38 楼

买sonus吧，以后升级好出手，只要你不破坏漆面，不贬值。

【在 G********d 的大作中提到】

: 膜拜啊。。。。
: 我可烧不起啊。。。

G*d2009-10-09 07:10

39 楼

这是我觉得最难看的sonus faber
http://cgi.ebay.com/SONUS-FABER-TOY-HIGH-END-SPEAKERS-BLACK-LEA
LOL

D*s2009-10-09 07:10

40 楼

豹纹的

【在 G********d 的大作中提到】

: 这是我觉得最难看的sonus faber
: http://cgi.ebay.com/SONUS-FABER-TOY-HIGH-END-SPEAKERS-BLACK-LEA
: LOL

j*k2009-10-09 07:10

41 楼

Contour 1.3 MkII is very nice, but it requires good amplification. What's LZ
's amp? Amp matching is just as important as the speaker itself.
Like I said before, at the end of the day, we can talk all we want here, but
the important thing is for you to audition the speakers yourself and judge
for yourself. The final sound quality is also depends on the environment and
your system synergy. It is less about tech specs.
Before my daughter was born, my wife and I used to go to live concerts at
Carnegie Halls a few times a month. Listening to performance and instrument
live had given me a good perspective of the sound quality I was looking for
in speakers. You're also in NYC, take advantage of it..

j*k2009-10-09 07:10

42 楼

i am shocked to find someone here who also like period performance and
instrucments. I thought I was weired for liking period performancesc. But
why do you think they are more dynamic compared to modern instruments. I
thought those instruments have limited frequency range compared to modern
piano and violins...
anyway... if you are already into period performance, then you would
inevitability turn to LP at some point... just a matter of time.. ;-)

G*d2009-10-09 07:10

43 楼

found another possible options : Von Schweikert VR-1
this is easier to drive than Sonus Faber and Vienna Acoustics Haydn.
Probably I can find dealers of VS, VA and Dynaudio in NYC.

j*k2009-10-09 07:10

44 楼

i have auditioned Von Schweikert VR-2 a few years back. It looked pretty but
the sound failed to impress me. The amp used was Viva Solista LT.
Von Schweikert is 100% made in China, not there is anything wrong with made
in China, but its pretty much like Davinci Furniture... you know what i mean
.
Innovative AudioVideo is the Dynaudio dealer in Manhattan. I have been
shopping there since 1999. If u go there, ask for Bruce Deegan. he's
very knowledgable and nice to deal with. Sometimes, he talks too much though. I have auditioned Dyna 140 at Innovative a few years back, comparing against B&W 805... 140 was too laidback for my taste, the sound was sort of sleepy. 805 was much, much better... I didn't buy neither at the end.... picked up Harbeth SHL5 instead and spent the next 3 years truely enjoying it...
Von Schweikert's dealer in NYC used to be EarsNova, but the store closed
earlier in the year, not sure when it would re-open. The owner Josh is an asshole and has had a bad reputation since the 1980s ... But somehow he managed to be the exclusive dealers for a lot of real nice brands. In the past 6 years, I have gotten my Viva amp, Piega Speakers, Harbeth SHL5, Basis 2001 turntable and a few other things... all from him! He's a horrible person to deal with.. in a way, I am sort of glad that he's out of business...

【在 G********d 的大作中提到】

: found another possible options : Von Schweikert VR-1
: this is easier to drive than Sonus Faber and Vienna Acoustics Haydn.
: Probably I can find dealers of VS, VA and Dynaudio in NYC.

G*d2009-10-09 07:10

45 楼

for period performance, I mean historically informed performance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historically_informed_performance
On solo instrument level, modern ones can be more capble in dynamic range
than their historical counterparts(piano vs fortpiano). However, period
performance usually go with small orchestral(historical size according to
scores). A typical modern performance in romantic tradition will usually
perform a beethoven symphony in a Mahler-sized orchestra. Subtlety and clarity of single instrument are then more prominent in enjoying a period performance.
Secondly, to my ears, the historically infomred musicians play according to the score quite often while romantic
conductors ignore part of the score to make music sound "better". In a classical work, ppp can be
followed by ff, which is odd for romantic tradition of modern performance.
Anyway there are a hell lot of bad period musicians.
Personally I believe the
case of dynamic range comparison is completely different in bach's works
because of a variety of reasons.

【在 j***k 的大作中提到】

: i am shocked to find someone here who also like period performance and
: instrucments. I thought I was weired for liking period performancesc. But
: why do you think they are more dynamic compared to modern instruments. I
: thought those instruments have limited frequency range compared to modern
: piano and violins...
: anyway... if you are already into period performance, then you would
: inevitability turn to LP at some point... just a matter of time.. ;-)

G*d2009-10-09 07:10

46 楼

今天见了一台sonus faber minimia fm2 成色很差
第一感觉是高音比较impressive，低音还可以
功放是一台mcintosh 275

D*s2009-10-09 07:10

47 楼

不要太指望胆机的低频功率，音色和细节才是重点，低音盆尺寸也有所限制。单拿的高
音当然错不了。 sound stage应该也很出众

【在 G********d 的大作中提到】

: 今天见了一台sonus faber minimia fm2 成色很差
: 第一感觉是高音比较impressive，低音还可以
: 功放是一台mcintosh 275

G*d2009-10-09 07:10

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卖家是个烧友
好像在换线
但是古典cd没几张
挑了张熟悉的dg original里的
听着还不错回家跟我的比了下差别很大
他还有5个bw dm302
一对bw804 但都没有在用

【在 D**********s 的大作中提到】

: 不要太指望胆机的低频功率，音色和细节才是重点，低音盆尺寸也有所限制。单拿的高
: 音当然错不了。 sound stage应该也很出众

D*s2009-10-09 07:10

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恩，我前两天用10股16gauge的GE音响线用热缩管做了shielded speaker cable。线芯
比6 gauge还粗，正在煲。感觉声音干净清晰多了。成本加上banana plug什么的才50刀
，厂线500刀也买不到6gauge的音箱线，diy简单方便效果还好

【在 G********d 的大作中提到】

: 卖家是个烧友
: 好像在换线
: 但是古典cd没几张
: 挑了张熟悉的dg original里的
: 听着还不错回家跟我的比了下差别很大
: 他还有5个bw dm302
: 一对bw804 但都没有在用

j*k2009-10-09 07:10

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275 is nice...

【在 G********d 的大作中提到】

D*s2009-10-09 07:10

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here is a nicer one.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Carver-Silver-Seven-tube-amplifiers-KT88-ve

【在 j***k 的大作中提到】

: 275 is nice...

p*e2009-10-09 07:10

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oh my goodness...this is freaking beautiful...

【在 D**********s 的大作中提到】

: here is a nicer one.
: http://cgi.ebay.com/Carver-Silver-Seven-tube-amplifiers-KT88-ve

D*s2009-10-09 07:10

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电子管OTL还都是挺壮观的，以前我问了一帖，没人跟
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/HiFi/31247879.html

【在 p********e 的大作中提到】

: oh my goodness...this is freaking beautiful...

i*d2009-10-09 07:10

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上照片。

【在 D**********s 的大作中提到】

: 恩，我前两天用10股16gauge的GE音响线用热缩管做了shielded speaker cable。线芯
: 比6 gauge还粗，正在煲。感觉声音干净清晰多了。成本加上banana plug什么的才50刀
: ，厂线500刀也买不到6gauge的音箱线，diy简单方便效果还好

D*s2009-10-09 07:10

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样子不养眼啊
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0013HMV6U
用的这个热缩管，10股线的直径正好
http://www.amazon.com/AV92646-Gauge-Ultra-ProGrade-Speaker/dp/B
线用的是上面这个，极性有颜色标记，多股线的时候相位不会弄错
http://cgi.ebay.com/8-Nakamichi-BFA-Banana-Plug-Connector-24K-0
nakamichi的bfa plug,质量不错
http://cgi.ebay.com/Cardas-Solder-and-Flux-Sample-/270797015094
cardas的焊锡
剩下的就是一点电工胶带。
呵呵

【在 i*d 的大作中提到】

: 上照片。

D*s2009-10-09 07:10

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对了，copper gauze或者别的shielding材料去hobby lobby挑一挑，如果周围电磁干扰
比较大可以用铝箔或者铜胶带做高频屏蔽