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S*s
1 楼
在Windows 8还没有推出的时候。
目前市场上成功的也就ipad1/2，目前出货良好的amazon fire只能算是成功了一半。
而android广大的tablets我个人认为很难称之为成功。
对比这成功，一半成功和不成功。
最大的区别还在于和内容的结合。
apple和amazon都是在内容上有巨大的优势，硬件上反而尚在其次。
apple除了内容上的巨大优势，还持有先发优势，设计上的优势，还有apple多年来一直
努力营造的高贵感。
amazon则基于kindle树立了巨大的用户群，以及自身在电子商务和图书市场上的霸主地
位，其实他选择什么系统尚在其次，如果他愿意，他甚至能救活webOS。
反观android，google大力的推广砸钱以及各大厂商的支持营造了一片繁荣之景，可是
实际出货量却不尽如人意，大量的厂家正通过打折来清理存货为下一代产品腾空间。
其实内容上android已经好了很多，虽然没有apple和amazon的先发或者天然优势。
google的问题在于没有把重点放在内容上，而是放在硬件规格，系统换代上。各大厂商
逐渐开始硬件上的同质化，而市面上同时存在的从2.x到4.0的系统也在兼容性和更新维
护上造成了较大的问题。
严重的同质化最后会损害广大android设备生产商的利润，给消费者的印象也不好。
windows 8将来的推出会是重磅的产品，虽然arm的W8版本未来仍是迷雾，但是节电版本
的常规W8为平板做了很大的优化，如果能在节电和便携上取得平衡，基于广大PC用户以
及庞大的软件市场将使W8平板成为重磅的产品。
我相信苹果有足够的技术储备来对抗W8平板，arm版的可以用ipad3对抗之，而PC版的则
直接上macbook touch来对抗。反观现在其他的厂商，android系统将重新洗牌，不少厂
商会退出而追寻windows8，google会针对目前的乱象统一自己的阵营，减少授权，届时
只有moto，三星会成为android系统的领头羊。而amazon的平板不管基于什么系统，仍
然有潜力成为一股独树一帜的力量。
所以我预测一年后或者一年半后，高端平板市场将是windows8和基于macOS的apple 电
脑之争。娱乐平板将是四足鼎立，ipad，android，amazon和arm版的W8.
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t*n
2 楼
便宜量足是王道

在Windows 8还没有推出的时候。
目前市场上成功的也就ipad1/2，目前出货良好的amazon fire只能算是成功了一半。
而android广大的tablets我个人认为很难称之为成功。
对比这成功，一半成功和不成功。
最大的区别还在于和内容的结合。
apple和amazon都是在内容上有巨大的优势，硬件上反而尚在其次。
apple除了内容上的巨大优势，还持有先发优势，设计上的优势，还有apple多年来一直
努力营造的高贵感。
amazon则基于kindle树立了巨大的用户群，以及自身在电子商务和图书市场上的霸主地
位，其实他选择什么系统尚在其次，如果他愿意，他甚至能救活webOS。
反观android，google大力的推广砸钱以及各大厂商的支持营造了一片繁荣之景，可是
实际出货量却不尽如人意，大量的厂家正通过打折来清理存货为下一代产品腾空间。
其实内容上android已经好了很多，虽然没有apple和amazon的先发或者天然优势。
google的问题在于没有把重点放在内容上，而是放在硬件规格，系统换代上。各大厂商
逐渐开始硬件上的同质化，而市面上同时存在的从2.x到4.0的系统也在兼容性和更新维
护上造成了较大的问题。
严重的同质化最后会损害广大android设备生产商的利润，给消费者的印象也不好。
windows 8将来的推出会是重磅的产品，虽然arm的W8版本未来仍是迷雾，但是节电版本
的常规W8为平板做了很大的优化，如果能在节电和便携上取得平衡，基于广大PC用户以
及庞大的软件市场将使W8平板成为重磅的产品。
我相信苹果有足够的技术储备来对抗W8平板，arm版的可以用ipad3对抗之，而PC版的则
直接上macbook touch来对抗。反观现在其他的厂商，android系统将重新洗牌，不少厂
商会退出而追寻windows8，google会针对目前的乱象统一自己的阵营，减少授权，届时
只有moto，三星会成为android系统的领头羊。而amazon的平板不管基于什么系统，仍
然有潜力成为一股独树一帜的力量。
所以我预测一年后或者一年半后，高端平板市场将是windows8和基于macOS的apple 电
脑之争。娱乐平板将是四足鼎立，ipad，android，amazon和arm版的W8.

【在 S****s 的大作中提到】
: 在Windows 8还没有推出的时候。
: 目前市场上成功的也就ipad1/2，目前出货良好的amazon fire只能算是成功了一半。
: 而android广大的tablets我个人认为很难称之为成功。
: 对比这成功，一半成功和不成功。
: 最大的区别还在于和内容的结合。
: apple和amazon都是在内容上有巨大的优势，硬件上反而尚在其次。
: apple除了内容上的巨大优势，还持有先发优势，设计上的优势，还有apple多年来一直
: 努力营造的高贵感。
: amazon则基于kindle树立了巨大的用户群，以及自身在电子商务和图书市场上的霸主地
: 位，其实他选择什么系统尚在其次，如果他愿意，他甚至能救活webOS。
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S*s
3 楼
光卖平板不算什么，最重要要盈利
TP就是失败，虽然它几天就把库存青光了
amazon卖fire虽然便宜，但是是要指望在内容上挣钱，这和sony卖ps亏钱，通过卖游戏
来赚钱一个道理

【在 t*n 的大作中提到】
: 便宜量足是王道
:
: 在Windows 8还没有推出的时候。
: 目前市场上成功的也就ipad1/2，目前出货良好的amazon fire只能算是成功了一半。
: 而android广大的tablets我个人认为很难称之为成功。
: 对比这成功，一半成功和不成功。
: 最大的区别还在于和内容的结合。
: apple和amazon都是在内容上有巨大的优势，硬件上反而尚在其次。
: apple除了内容上的巨大优势，还持有先发优势，设计上的优势，还有apple多年来一直
: 努力营造的高贵感。
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h*r
4 楼
Google和apple都不是content provider.
那些出书，电影和音乐的才是。
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d*0
5 楼
apple的内容比amazon差太远，amazon早已超越了digital content，不管是牙膏还是裤
子都可以买得到。你用他家的板子，他知道你的购买习惯以后赚钱还不容易啊。
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S*s
6 楼
但是apple很好的掌握了先发的优势
笼络了很多的content providers，才造就现在繁荣的app市场
而且虽然果果硬件升级的幅度不大，但是果果比起google，我觉得有真心为开发者和消
费者考虑。
google天天就是，我又有新系统了，我机子分辨率又提高了，我上四核了……
其实每改一次都会增加开发者的成本。
果果被人诟病的地方虽然不少，但是起码，果果两三年保持一次换代的速度，开发者只
需要在这期间做一些必要的更新，不需要每次系统升级就大动干戈。
同时，虽然IOS5不好看也不革命，但是我看到了起码3gs还能运行。这体现了对消费者
的关心
而google呢，现在谁还会想到当时去支持google去买moto droid的人呢？
而ICS呢？是否为当时的droid或者nexus 1做了必要的优化以保证系统能在上面流畅的
运行和更新呢？
这就是区别

【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: Google和apple都不是content provider.
: 那些出书，电影和音乐的才是。
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i*s
7 楼
俺们购买习惯是啥便宜用啥
哈哈

【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: apple的内容比amazon差太远，amazon早已超越了digital content，不管是牙膏还是裤
: 子都可以买得到。你用他家的板子，他知道你的购买习惯以后赚钱还不容易啊。
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b*n
8 楼
anybody agree with "apple多年来一直努力营造的高贵感。"?

在Windows 8还没有推出的时候。
目前市场上成功的也就ipad1/2，目前出货良好的amazon fire只能算是成功了一半。
而android广大的tablets我个人认为很难称之为成功。
对比这成功，一半成功和不成功。
最大的区别还在于和内容的结合。
apple和amazon都是在内容上有巨大的优势，硬件上反而尚在其次。
apple除了内容上的巨大优势，还持有先发优势，设计上的优势，还有apple多年来一直
努力营造的高贵感。
amazon则基于kindle树立了巨大的用户群，以及自身在电子商务和图书市场上的霸主地
位，其实他选择什么系统尚在其次，如果他愿意，他甚至能救活webOS。
反观android，google大力的推广砸钱以及各大厂商的支持营造了一片繁荣之景，可是
实际出货量却不尽如人意，大量的厂家正通过打折来清理存货为下一代产品腾空间。
其实内容上android已经好了很多，虽然没有apple和amazon的先发或者天然优势。
google的问题在于没有把重点放在内容上，而是放在硬件规格，系统换代上。各大厂商
逐渐开始硬件上的同质化，而市面上同时存在的从2.x到4.0的系统也在兼容性和更新维
护上造成了较大的问题。
严重的同质化最后会损害广大android设备生产商的利润，给消费者的印象也不好。
windows 8将来的推出会是重磅的产品，虽然arm的W8版本未来仍是迷雾，但是节电版本
的常规W8为平板做了很大的优化，如果能在节电和便携上取得平衡，基于广大PC用户以
及庞大的软件市场将使W8平板成为重磅的产品。
我相信苹果有足够的技术储备来对抗W8平板，arm版的可以用ipad3对抗之，而PC版的则
直接上macbook touch来对抗。反观现在其他的厂商，android系统将重新洗牌，不少厂
商会退出而追寻windows8，google会针对目前的乱象统一自己的阵营，减少授权，届时
只有moto，三星会成为android系统的领头羊。而amazon的平板不管基于什么系统，仍
然有潜力成为一股独树一帜的力量。
所以我预测一年后或者一年半后，高端平板市场将是windows8和基于macOS的apple 电
脑之争。娱乐平板将是四足鼎立，ipad，android，amazon和arm版的W8.

【在 S****s 的大作中提到】
: 在Windows 8还没有推出的时候。
: 目前市场上成功的也就ipad1/2，目前出货良好的amazon fire只能算是成功了一半。
: 而android广大的tablets我个人认为很难称之为成功。
: 对比这成功，一半成功和不成功。
: 最大的区别还在于和内容的结合。
: apple和amazon都是在内容上有巨大的优势，硬件上反而尚在其次。
: apple除了内容上的巨大优势，还持有先发优势，设计上的优势，还有apple多年来一直
: 努力营造的高贵感。
: amazon则基于kindle树立了巨大的用户群，以及自身在电子商务和图书市场上的霸主地
: 位，其实他选择什么系统尚在其次，如果他愿意，他甚至能救活webOS。
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S*s
9 楼
有没content支持挺重要的
最终你还是会去购买的。
我觉得培养这个其实挺重要的
设想如果你费尽心思去开发了一个软件，结果别人盗版了随便装
你怎么想
只有尊重知识产权了，国家的科学和技术才会健康的发展

【在 i******s 的大作中提到】
: 俺们购买习惯是啥便宜用啥
: 哈哈
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S*s
10 楼
sorry，其实我想说的是“高端”感觉……

【在 b*********n 的大作中提到】
: anybody agree with "apple多年来一直努力营造的高贵感。"?
:
: 在Windows 8还没有推出的时候。
: 目前市场上成功的也就ipad1/2，目前出货良好的amazon fire只能算是成功了一半。
: 而android广大的tablets我个人认为很难称之为成功。
: 对比这成功，一半成功和不成功。
: 最大的区别还在于和内容的结合。
: apple和amazon都是在内容上有巨大的优势，硬件上反而尚在其次。
: apple除了内容上的巨大优势，还持有先发优势，设计上的优势，还有apple多年来一直
: 努力营造的高贵感。
avatar
h*r
11 楼
apple的成功是市场先机，漫天广告加品牌，名人效应。
ipad先出来，别人好没有。外观还不错。
现在电视上apple的广告简直是蝗灾一样，每个台黄金时间恨不得每半小时一次。和麦
当劳，可乐，汽车差不多了。别的手机，平板厂家都几乎看不到。这广告做的是很厉害
的。
就功能而言，ipad没有任何优势。所有ipad能干的，其他tablet都能。其他tablet能干
的，有很多ipad不能。
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S*s
12 楼
你要说做广告
xoom和galaxy tab 7‘刚出来的时候广告也是铺天盖地的
可是xoom一个季度出货10w+，galaxy tab 7’要自己买自己的货来营造出货量……
同时ipad持续缺货，这区别大了

【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: apple的成功是市场先机，漫天广告加品牌，名人效应。
: ipad先出来，别人好没有。外观还不错。
: 现在电视上apple的广告简直是蝗灾一样，每个台黄金时间恨不得每半小时一次。和麦
: 当劳，可乐，汽车差不多了。别的手机，平板厂家都几乎看不到。这广告做的是很厉害
: 的。
: 就功能而言，ipad没有任何优势。所有ipad能干的，其他tablet都能。其他tablet能干
: 的，有很多ipad不能。
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h*r
13 楼
这广告数量差太远了。
apple是多少年如一日在电视上放，出新品是更是地毯式轰炸。

【在 S****s 的大作中提到】
: 你要说做广告
: xoom和galaxy tab 7‘刚出来的时候广告也是铺天盖地的
: 可是xoom一个季度出货10w+，galaxy tab 7’要自己买自己的货来营造出货量……
: 同时ipad持续缺货，这区别大了
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t*n
14 楼
7寸的板子还是太小
至少8.9"或者9寸的

你要说做广告
xoom和galaxy tab 7‘刚出来的时候广告也是铺天盖地的
可是xoom一个季度出货10w+，galaxy tab 7’要自己买自己的货来营造出货量……
同时ipad持续缺货，这区别大了

【在 S****s 的大作中提到】
: 你要说做广告
: xoom和galaxy tab 7‘刚出来的时候广告也是铺天盖地的
: 可是xoom一个季度出货10w+，galaxy tab 7’要自己买自己的货来营造出货量……
: 同时ipad持续缺货，这区别大了
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S*s
15 楼
这个也是良性循环，apple该得的
问题是消费者也不好糊弄，如果galaxy tab 7和xoom真那么好，出来的宣传足够他们卖
100w台了
同样宣传力度的kindle fire就出了200w台了吧

【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: 这广告数量差太远了。
: apple是多少年如一日在电视上放，出新品是更是地毯式轰炸。
avatar
h*r
16 楼
kindle fire是便宜.
tp fire sale没广告还一天就卖光了。
你说麦当劳和可乐比其他的快餐和饮料好在哪？漫天广告，一般消费者就认从了。apple
的市场推广是绝对领先其他人很多很多的。

【在 S****s 的大作中提到】
: 这个也是良性循环，apple该得的
: 问题是消费者也不好糊弄，如果galaxy tab 7和xoom真那么好，出来的宣传足够他们卖
: 100w台了
: 同样宣传力度的kindle fire就出了200w台了吧
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g*g
17 楼
Android平板，特别是10寸的主流平板年初才出来，比iPad晚了整整一年。
应用上需要时间追上来是肯定的。市场份额Android phone从出来到超越
iPhone大约3年时间，半壁江山用了4年。我看平板2年够了。
Android手机推出的第一年，谁能想到现在半壁江山？

【在 S****s 的大作中提到】
: 在Windows 8还没有推出的时候。
: 目前市场上成功的也就ipad1/2，目前出货良好的amazon fire只能算是成功了一半。
: 而android广大的tablets我个人认为很难称之为成功。
: 对比这成功，一半成功和不成功。
: 最大的区别还在于和内容的结合。
: apple和amazon都是在内容上有巨大的优势，硬件上反而尚在其次。
: apple除了内容上的巨大优势，还持有先发优势，设计上的优势，还有apple多年来一直
: 努力营造的高贵感。
: amazon则基于kindle树立了巨大的用户群，以及自身在电子商务和图书市场上的霸主地
: 位，其实他选择什么系统尚在其次，如果他愿意，他甚至能救活webOS。
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g*g
18 楼
当年iPhone出来的时候600刀，每个月40的数据费，说得上高贵。
到今天，既不是最贵的手机，也不是硬件最好的，唯一说得上的
是用得人最多。离高贵距离很大。

【在 b*********n 的大作中提到】
: anybody agree with "apple多年来一直努力营造的高贵感。"?
:
: 在Windows 8还没有推出的时候。
: 目前市场上成功的也就ipad1/2，目前出货良好的amazon fire只能算是成功了一半。
: 而android广大的tablets我个人认为很难称之为成功。
: 对比这成功，一半成功和不成功。
: 最大的区别还在于和内容的结合。
: apple和amazon都是在内容上有巨大的优势，硬件上反而尚在其次。
: apple除了内容上的巨大优势，还持有先发优势，设计上的优势，还有apple多年来一直
: 努力营造的高贵感。
avatar
M*n
19 楼
真是可悲啊，一开始iphone那真是独领风骚啊，横扫一切smart phone，
现在android已经绝尘而去，微软还慢吞吞的跟在所有人屁股后面吃灰，

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Android平板，特别是10寸的主流平板年初才出来，比iPad晚了整整一年。
: 应用上需要时间追上来是肯定的。市场份额Android phone从出来到超越
: iPhone大约3年时间，半壁江山用了4年。我看平板2年够了。
: Android手机推出的第一年，谁能想到现在半壁江山？
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c*p
20 楼
Anybody think China and India are most powerful countries in the world
because they have biggest population? Anybody believe Chinese have the
highest QOL and is the best country in the world because China has the
biggest population in the world?
It is the same thing in ios and android relationship.
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M*n
21 楼
so windows phone must be the best,

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
: Anybody think China and India are most powerful countries in the world
: because they have biggest population? Anybody believe Chinese have the
: highest QOL and is the best country in the world because China has the
: biggest population in the world?
: It is the same thing in ios and android relationship.
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h*r
22 楼
why is it the same thing?
we talk about market share, not population.

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
: Anybody think China and India are most powerful countries in the world
: because they have biggest population? Anybody believe Chinese have the
: highest QOL and is the best country in the world because China has the
: biggest population in the world?
: It is the same thing in ios and android relationship.
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g*g
23 楼
In case you don't know. Both HTC and Samsung sold more
smartphone in US market than Apple in 3rd quarter.
I am pretty sure the Android market share doesn't include
ghetto phones in China.

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
: Anybody think China and India are most powerful countries in the world
: because they have biggest population? Anybody believe Chinese have the
: highest QOL and is the best country in the world because China has the
: biggest population in the world?
: It is the same thing in ios and android relationship.
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S*s
24 楼
Market share does not mean a profit.
It is true all android panels grabbed a higher market share than ipad.
Apple makes more money than them all.
Check the price and cost of ipad and android tablets, u know why i call
apple a success.

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Android平板，特别是10寸的主流平板年初才出来，比iPad晚了整整一年。
: 应用上需要时间追上来是肯定的。市场份额Android phone从出来到超越
: iPhone大约3年时间，半壁江山用了4年。我看平板2年够了。
: Android手机推出的第一年，谁能想到现在半壁江山？
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S*s
25 楼
KINDLE FIRE IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT STORY
HP sent all tp out by a suicide price cut.
Amazon sells kindle fire, although at a relatively low price tag, aiming at
making more money from all the books, magazines, movies, musics and so
called "contents" behind the system.

apple

【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: kindle fire是便宜.
: tp fire sale没广告还一天就卖光了。
: 你说麦当劳和可乐比其他的快餐和饮料好在哪？漫天广告，一般消费者就认从了。apple
: 的市场推广是绝对领先其他人很多很多的。
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f*5
26 楼
the question is whether that will be sustainable while android is taking
more market share rapidly

【在 S****s 的大作中提到】
: Market share does not mean a profit.
: It is true all android panels grabbed a higher market share than ipad.
: Apple makes more money than them all.
: Check the price and cost of ipad and android tablets, u know why i call
: apple a success.
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g*g
27 楼
I didn't say Apple is not successful. Obviously it's the most
successful mobile company in the world and its stock price says
it all. However, for last couple of years, it starts facing
serious competition. And companies like HTC and Samsung grow
big and strong. All these eat a big chunk of pie that Apple could
have had. Apple used to lead on all aspects. And now, barely any
edge besides shape. In any sense, Apple wouldn't like a repeat
on tablet, but it may be inevitable.

【在 S****s 的大作中提到】
: Market share does not mean a profit.
: It is true all android panels grabbed a higher market share than ipad.
: Apple makes more money than them all.
: Check the price and cost of ipad and android tablets, u know why i call
: apple a success.
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t*p
28 楼
600刀我记得，但是没有40的数据费吧。20刀还包括两百条短消息的

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 当年iPhone出来的时候600刀，每个月40的数据费，说得上高贵。
: 到今天，既不是最贵的手机，也不是硬件最好的，唯一说得上的
: 是用得人最多。离高贵距离很大。
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d*0
29 楼
好像一个ID只能买2台？

【在 t****p 的大作中提到】
: 600刀我记得，但是没有40的数据费吧。20刀还包括两百条短消息的
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q*c
30 楼
实际上我看消费者就是很好糊弄
人是很蠢的生物， 能力特别底下好糊弄， 你看北朝鲜
要解放苦难的美国人民呢。 只要你把信息渠道堵住，
进行广告轰炸洗脑， 人还是很好糊弄的。

【在 S****s 的大作中提到】
: 这个也是良性循环，apple该得的
: 问题是消费者也不好糊弄，如果galaxy tab 7和xoom真那么好，出来的宣传足够他们卖
: 100w台了
: 同样宣传力度的kindle fire就出了200w台了吧
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q*c
31 楼
现在不是， 问题是很快就会是了。

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
: Anybody think China and India are most powerful countries in the world
: because they have biggest population? Anybody believe Chinese have the
: highest QOL and is the best country in the world because China has the
: biggest population in the world?
: It is the same thing in ios and android relationship.
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c*y
32 楼
要按你这说法，咱们现在还在用小霸王486，哈哈...还有DOS

【在 S****s 的大作中提到】
: 但是apple很好的掌握了先发的优势
: 笼络了很多的content providers，才造就现在繁荣的app市场
: 而且虽然果果硬件升级的幅度不大，但是果果比起google，我觉得有真心为开发者和消
: 费者考虑。
: google天天就是，我又有新系统了，我机子分辨率又提高了，我上四核了……
: 其实每改一次都会增加开发者的成本。
: 果果被人诟病的地方虽然不少，但是起码，果果两三年保持一次换代的速度，开发者只
: 需要在这期间做一些必要的更新，不需要每次系统升级就大动干戈。
: 同时，虽然IOS5不好看也不革命，但是我看到了起码3gs还能运行。这体现了对消费者
: 的关心
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t*s
33 楼
我不理解果粉的就是这点
apple赚钱和你有啥关系
market share好歹和app数量有关

【在 S****s 的大作中提到】
: Market share does not mean a profit.
: It is true all android panels grabbed a higher market share than ipad.
: Apple makes more money than them all.
: Check the price and cost of ipad and android tablets, u know why i call
: apple a success.
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p*h
34 楼
这篇里的内容完全就是当年palm说windows ce的话，结果大家也都知道了

【在 S****s 的大作中提到】
: 但是apple很好的掌握了先发的优势
: 笼络了很多的content providers，才造就现在繁荣的app市场
: 而且虽然果果硬件升级的幅度不大，但是果果比起google，我觉得有真心为开发者和消
: 费者考虑。
: google天天就是，我又有新系统了，我机子分辨率又提高了，我上四核了……
: 其实每改一次都会增加开发者的成本。
: 果果被人诟病的地方虽然不少，但是起码，果果两三年保持一次换代的速度，开发者只
: 需要在这期间做一些必要的更新，不需要每次系统升级就大动干戈。
: 同时，虽然IOS5不好看也不革命，但是我看到了起码3gs还能运行。这体现了对消费者
: 的关心
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p*h
35 楼
消费者选择产品利润率高的产品，特别是在产品同质化的情况下，这他妈就是被人卖了
还帮人数钱，脑袋被门夹了

【在 S****s 的大作中提到】
: Market share does not mean a profit.
: It is true all android panels grabbed a higher market share than ipad.
: Apple makes more money than them all.
: Check the price and cost of ipad and android tablets, u know why i call
: apple a success.
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g*g
36 楼
market share跟消费者还是有点关系的。大多数消费者喜欢成熟，
上升态的系统。这两年买BB，Symbian的，多少都会郁闷。

【在 t*s 的大作中提到】
: 我不理解果粉的就是这点
: apple赚钱和你有啥关系
: market share好歹和app数量有关
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M*n
37 楼
恩，是这个理

【在 p******h 的大作中提到】
: 消费者选择产品利润率高的产品，特别是在产品同质化的情况下，这他妈就是被人卖了
: 还帮人数钱，脑袋被门夹了
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c*p
38 楼

it has been answered by others later in the post.
windows phone has nothing now. it is another story.

【在 M*****n 的大作中提到】
: so windows phone must be the best,
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c*p
39 楼

market share is population.
profit out of this share is what makes a great company a great company.
It is the same thing with country. the money its citizen can earn and
willing to spend makes a great country a great country.

【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: why is it the same thing?
: we talk about market share, not population.
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c*p
40 楼

LOL
how much profit they made out of these phones? how many models they sold?
how long they can maintain software service and update?
3GS still runs ios5, how about android phones? how many old model can run
ICS?
Touchpad sold god knows how many units in merely days, more than most of
android tablets. Do you call it a success? ghetto phones sold more than most
of android phones, do you call it a success or a good product?

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: In case you don't know. Both HTC and Samsung sold more
: smartphone in US market than Apple in 3rd quarter.
: I am pretty sure the Android market share doesn't include
: ghetto phones in China.
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M*n
41 楼
why another story? so the poplation rule only fits apple?
they have more, they dominate. they have less, but they are strong?
nobody knows what will happen in the next 3 years.
just like nobody knows android will be like this 3 years ago.

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
:
: LOL
: how much profit they made out of these phones? how many models they sold?
: how long they can maintain software service and update?
: 3GS still runs ios5, how about android phones? how many old model can run
: ICS?
: Touchpad sold god knows how many units in merely days, more than most of
: android tablets. Do you call it a success? ghetto phones sold more than most
: of android phones, do you call it a success or a good product?
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h*r
42 楼
market share is not population.
it is adopation of a product by a population. It can change quickly.

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
:
: LOL
: how much profit they made out of these phones? how many models they sold?
: how long they can maintain software service and update?
: 3GS still runs ios5, how about android phones? how many old model can run
: ICS?
: Touchpad sold god knows how many units in merely days, more than most of
: android tablets. Do you call it a success? ghetto phones sold more than most
: of android phones, do you call it a success or a good product?
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c*p
43 楼

good profit means good develop environment, that's why developers want to
work for apple and give their best product to apple.
take a look at the apps in app store and android market. It is not the same
quality.
for app numbers, there is no difference between 300k and 500k,good quality
is the key.
it is the same thing as open source. As a user, open source or not has no
difference. Why do you care? for almost everything in android market, you
can find a better version in app store. almost all the greatest apps in
android market are originated from app store. I own devices of both os, I
definitely like apple better.
open source is not necessarily a good thing, take a look at windows and
linux. Why you use windows at home not linux?

【在 t*s 的大作中提到】
: 我不理解果粉的就是这点
: apple赚钱和你有啥关系
: market share好歹和app数量有关
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r*e
44 楼
app quality差别已经越来越小了
要以发展的眼光看问题

same

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
:
: good profit means good develop environment, that's why developers want to
: work for apple and give their best product to apple.
: take a look at the apps in app store and android market. It is not the same
: quality.
: for app numbers, there is no difference between 300k and 500k,good quality
: is the key.
: it is the same thing as open source. As a user, open source or not has no
: difference. Why do you care? for almost everything in android market, you
: can find a better version in app store. almost all the greatest apps in
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c*p
45 楼

because total profits=population*unit profit*follow up profit on apps and
service
windows phone has none,android has population only, apple has all
it is that simple.
nobody knows the future, but no money, no future.

【在 M*****n 的大作中提到】
: why another story? so the poplation rule only fits apple?
: they have more, they dominate. they have less, but they are strong?
: nobody knows what will happen in the next 3 years.
: just like nobody knows android will be like this 3 years ago.
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s*c
46 楼
三句话里面居然错了两句半

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 当年iPhone出来的时候600刀，每个月40的数据费，说得上高贵。
: 到今天，既不是最贵的手机，也不是硬件最好的，唯一说得上的
: 是用得人最多。离高贵距离很大。
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c*p
47 楼

this difference comes from multiple sources.
are you sure the same app even if it is good, can be used by all android
phones? what I found in my android devices is, you never know. and they
crash all the time.
again no money, no future. dont you agree?

【在 r*******e 的大作中提到】
: app quality差别已经越来越小了
: 要以发展的眼光看问题
:
: same
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h*r
48 楼
有啥quality difference.
石油公司很多都是巨额利润。
我认为为苹果巨额利润较好的都是买了股票的。不是真正的普通消费者。
像是aaaaty, lopt, vankie等绝对都是。他们的最大期望就是苹果把其他竞争都打败，
毒霸市场，赚越多越好。

same

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
:
: this difference comes from multiple sources.
: are you sure the same app even if it is good, can be used by all android
: phones? what I found in my android devices is, you never know. and they
: crash all the time.
: again no money, no future. dont you agree?
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f*5
49 楼
你算你的profit好了，就跟mac挣得钱也比desktop或者laptop多一样。我看着ios的份
额快速被蚕食就很开心，就跟以前看着ie被firefox蚕食，windows被蚕食一样开心。蛤
蛤蛤

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
:
: this difference comes from multiple sources.
: are you sure the same app even if it is good, can be used by all android
: phones? what I found in my android devices is, you never know. and they
: crash all the time.
: again no money, no future. dont you agree?
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j*u
50 楼
我就是嫉妒羡慕恨，没有早买苹果股票，失策呀！

【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: 有啥quality difference.
: 石油公司很多都是巨额利润。
: 我认为为苹果巨额利润较好的都是买了股票的。不是真正的普通消费者。
: 像是aaaaty, lopt, vankie等绝对都是。他们的最大期望就是苹果把其他竞争都打败，
: 毒霸市场，赚越多越好。
:
: same
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h*r
51 楼
no money is not huge profit.
0% profit margin 和 10% profit margin, 20%, 50%, 100% or 200% there is a
huge different.
you mislead all the time.

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
:
: this difference comes from multiple sources.
: are you sure the same app even if it is good, can be used by all android
: phones? what I found in my android devices is, you never know. and they
: crash all the time.
: again no money, no future. dont you agree?
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s*c
52 楼
iphone1 8GB很长时间都是499 记得一开始买了599的消费者还抱怨来着 后来apple给了
他们100块钱的gift card
另外那个时候随便unlock 访问个网页就行 基本上跟现在的unlock手机是等价的 没几
个人用在att网络上面

【在 t****p 的大作中提到】
: 600刀我记得，但是没有40的数据费吧。20刀还包括两百条短消息的
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c*p
53 楼

let me make it easy for you.
if you are a software developer, do you want to work for app store or
android market?
maybe you want to say both, but your time is limited.
the profit i am talking about here, is not only apple profit, i am also
talking about profit of software developers.

【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: no money is not huge profit.
: 0% profit margin 和 10% profit margin, 20%, 50%, 100% or 200% there is a
: huge different.
: you mislead all the time.
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c*p
54 楼

when adults are discussing serious questions, kids should go away.
LOL

【在 f*******5 的大作中提到】
: 你算你的profit好了，就跟mac挣得钱也比desktop或者laptop多一样。我看着ios的份
: 额快速被蚕食就很开心，就跟以前看着ie被firefox蚕食，windows被蚕食一样开心。蛤
: 蛤蛤
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f*5
55 楼
android market because 99% profit from ios appstore go to 1% big companies w
/ plenty of ads budget

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
:
: when adults are discussing serious questions, kids should go away.
: LOL
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M*n
56 楼
不care developer，最怕的就是装软件了，
能用系统自带的我就用系统自带的，
所以很期待win8，自带了很多新功能，又能少装不少软件，
wp要是能再多开放些功能，我就换过去了，

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
:
: when adults are discussing serious questions, kids should go away.
: LOL
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h*r
57 楼
now you are talking about the app developer. why are you so happy to see
apple's huge profit?
When an App is really useful and high quality, people will use it nomatter
what platform it is running.
developer can earn money from people purchasing the app or people paying for
the content or ad fee.

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
:
: when adults are discussing serious questions, kids should go away.
: LOL
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c*p
58 楼

w
then I have to say you have a very different taste. very heavy
just make your app better, don't try to sell trash.
a survey of more than 2,000 developers conducted earlier this month. Of
those polled, 91 percent said they are "very interested" in developing for
the iPhone, while 88 percent indicated the same for the iPad.
Worldwide, 43 percent of developers said they are very interested in
crafting software for Amazon's new touchscreen tablet, compared to 56
percent for the Samsung Galaxy Tab. But in America, the Kindle Fire actually
edged the Galaxy Tab, 49 percent to 48 percent.

【在 f*******5 的大作中提到】
: android market because 99% profit from ios appstore go to 1% big companies w
: / plenty of ads budget
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x*s
59 楼
re

【在 t*n 的大作中提到】
: 便宜量足是王道
:
: 在Windows 8还没有推出的时候。
: 目前市场上成功的也就ipad1/2，目前出货良好的amazon fire只能算是成功了一半。
: 而android广大的tablets我个人认为很难称之为成功。
: 对比这成功，一半成功和不成功。
: 最大的区别还在于和内容的结合。
: apple和amazon都是在内容上有巨大的优势，硬件上反而尚在其次。
: apple除了内容上的巨大优势，还持有先发优势，设计上的优势，还有apple多年来一直
: 努力营造的高贵感。
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c*p
60 楼

you make the point.
thats why apple is better.
nobody knows about w8 now. I wish it is better, I like windows better than
mac.

【在 M*****n 的大作中提到】
: 不care developer，最怕的就是装软件了，
: 能用系统自带的我就用系统自带的，
: 所以很期待win8，自带了很多新功能，又能少装不少软件，
: wp要是能再多开放些功能，我就换过去了，
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h*r
61 楼
you are comparing two different survey result again.
can you not mislead in every post?
In the first survey, the developer interested in android is also in mid or
high 80s. Not as high as iphone or ipad, but not far behind.

actually

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
:
: you make the point.
: thats why apple is better.
: nobody knows about w8 now. I wish it is better, I like windows better than
: mac.
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c*p
62 楼

for
LOL, have you ever compare the same app on apple device with android device?
they are vastly different. android device has too many models and hardware
types, they are not compatible to each other all the time. will you buy a
new android device because the app can not run on your device due to
different hardware standard? take a look at the review in android market for
apps, you'll find what is going on. too many people complain app does not
function well in their devices.
I am not happy about who got the profit, I am telling what is going on now.
developer got 70% profit, apple got 30%. they are buddy taped. one earns
more means the other one earns more.

【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: now you are talking about the app developer. why are you so happy to see
: apple's huge profit?
: When an App is really useful and high quality, people will use it nomatter
: what platform it is running.
: developer can earn money from people purchasing the app or people paying for
: the content or ad fee.
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M*n
63 楼
手机软件不比电脑软件，可替代性太强，没有什么必须要有的，
苹果平台最大的优势在于爱花钱买app的人多，这一点是别家没法比的，

actually

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
:
: for
: LOL, have you ever compare the same app on apple device with android device?
: they are vastly different. android device has too many models and hardware
: types, they are not compatible to each other all the time. will you buy a
: new android device because the app can not run on your device due to
: different hardware standard? take a look at the review in android market for
: apps, you'll find what is going on. too many people complain app does not
: function well in their devices.
: I am not happy about who got the profit, I am telling what is going on now.
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c*p
64 楼

You are mix very interested with interested. "very" means if there has to be
one left, app store will stay.
do you agree?

【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: you are comparing two different survey result again.
: can you not mislead in every post?
: In the first survey, the developer interested in android is also in mid or
: high 80s. Not as high as iphone or ipad, but not far behind.
:
: actually
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f*5
65 楼
you just dont see the trend. if you'd asked the same developers about ios
market a year or two earlier, the numbers had been even much higher and they
must have been much lower for android market. however the numbers for
android market are getting higher.
actually follow your logic, android market has inferior apps, less number of
apps and less attention from big companies and it has much more number of
devices, any lone developer should choose android market. making good
quality
apps is relatively easy, making it on top of 500k apps is impossible.
then you would talk about profits. asking two mitbbs apps developers how
much they made from PAID version in apple appstore

actually

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
:
: You are mix very interested with interested. "very" means if there has to be
: one left, app store will stay.
: do you agree?
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h*r
66 楼
no.

be

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
:
: You are mix very interested with interested. "very" means if there has to be
: one left, app store will stay.
: do you agree?
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h*x
67 楼
恩，先有果轮还是先有果黑，这个问题可以盖棺定论了。。。。。

【在 f*******5 的大作中提到】
: 你算你的profit好了，就跟mac挣得钱也比desktop或者laptop多一样。我看着ios的份
: 额快速被蚕食就很开心，就跟以前看着ie被firefox蚕食，windows被蚕食一样开心。蛤
: 蛤蛤
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h*r
68 楼
Although Apple is still dominant in the mobile space, Android is quickly
gaining ground.
In a report by Appcelerator/IDC, developers were found to be more optimistic
about the future of the Android platform than they were about the iOS
platform with a whopping 72% of them thinking that Android was best
positioned to power a large number and variety of connected devices in the
future.
This is fairly obvious really as we all know that iOS will only ever be on
Apple devices and as more and more manufacturers jump on the Android
bandwagon (hey, it’s free) then there will obviously be more devices out
there running it.
Another obvious result was 85% of developers thinking that Android was the
most ‘open’ platform with only 6% choosing Apple as the most open.
The most noteworthy result is the most capabilities as an OS, with Android
getting 56% and Apple getting 36%. Surely the capabilities of the platform
depend on the phone it’s on? My worry, if i was a developer, would be
whether my app would work at it’s best on all the different types of
hardware that could potentially be running it. At least with Apple you know
that they have made the software with the hardware, so it will work on the
vast majority of iOS devices, if not all of them.
With all this talk of Android and iOS, you forget that there are other
operating systems:
Developers are also showing a strong interest in TV apps with 44% saying
they are “very interested” in Google TV while 40% are more interested in
Apple TV apps, even though Apple hasn’t announced anything yet. Scott
Ellison, VP Mobile & Wireless, IDC said:
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c*p
69 楼

they
of
A kid has no logic at all.
too many device models means it is almost impossible for anybody to make a
good app for all. Not even a big company. You think you are more talented
than others in software development?
make a good app for everybody is easy to say than done.
there is a reason for inferior apps in android market, not because they are
inferior so they go to android, because no one can make it good.

【在 f*******5 的大作中提到】
: you just dont see the trend. if you'd asked the same developers about ios
: market a year or two earlier, the numbers had been even much higher and they
: must have been much lower for android market. however the numbers for
: android market are getting higher.
: actually follow your logic, android market has inferior apps, less number of
: apps and less attention from big companies and it has much more number of
: devices, any lone developer should choose android market. making good
: quality
: apps is relatively easy, making it on top of 500k apps is impossible.
: then you would talk about profits. asking two mitbbs apps developers how
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f*5
70 楼
still you see no trend. you stay where android 1.5 was

are

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
:
: they
: of
: A kid has no logic at all.
: too many device models means it is almost impossible for anybody to make a
: good app for all. Not even a big company. You think you are more talented
: than others in software development?
: make a good app for everybody is easy to say than done.
: there is a reason for inferior apps in android market, not because they are
: inferior so they go to android, because no one can make it good.
avatar
c*p
71 楼

optimistic
you never read news do you?
Logitech Chief Executive Guerrino De Luca is writing off Google TV as a "big
mistake" that along with other "operational miscues" in Europe, the Middle
East and Africa cost the company more than $100 million in operating profits
. Logitech is stopping production on the set-top boxes.

【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: Although Apple is still dominant in the mobile space, Android is quickly
: gaining ground.
: In a report by Appcelerator/IDC, developers were found to be more optimistic
: about the future of the Android platform than they were about the iOS
: platform with a whopping 72% of them thinking that Android was best
: positioned to power a large number and variety of connected devices in the
: future.
: This is fairly obvious really as we all know that iOS will only ever be on
: Apple devices and as more and more manufacturers jump on the Android
: bandwagon (hey, it’s free) then there will obviously be more devices out
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f*5
72 楼
you apparently did not read enough news
on the same day news reported LG and Goolge will unveil its first model w/
google tv. samsung has also been in discussion.
where is apple tv set? 2013 possibly.

big
Middle
profits

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
:
: optimistic
: you never read news do you?
: Logitech Chief Executive Guerrino De Luca is writing off Google TV as a "big
: mistake" that along with other "operational miscues" in Europe, the Middle
: East and Africa cost the company more than $100 million in operating profits
: . Logitech is stopping production on the set-top boxes.
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c*p
73 楼

I actually have both honeycomb tablet and 2.3 cellphone.

【在 f*******5 的大作中提到】
: still you see no trend. you stay where android 1.5 was
:
: are
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f*5
74 楼
its about your opinion

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
:
: I actually have both honeycomb tablet and 2.3 cellphone.
avatar
c*p
75 楼

LOOOOL.
kid, you mean google tv is good, but logitech is bad?
LMAO.
sounds like you saw the google tv set already.
be an adult, talk some sense, will you?
what is going on now, is google tv box fall down in competition with apple
tv.

【在 f*******5 的大作中提到】
: you apparently did not read enough news
: on the same day news reported LG and Goolge will unveil its first model w/
: google tv. samsung has also been in discussion.
: where is apple tv set? 2013 possibly.
:
: big
: Middle
: profits
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f*5
76 楼
you dont know what you are talking about. apple tv has been around for 5
years. it only got better when apple filled in ios and a4 cpu last year.
google tv sucks because it does no have the full capacity of android and
google did not make enough deals w/ media companies. i did not claim google
tv is good. but its absurd you used the logitech case against android market.
at least news reported the tv set will be unveiled in next Jan. using the
same logic, your apple tv set is still far far away. where is your sense.

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
:
: LOOOOL.
: kid, you mean google tv is good, but logitech is bad?
: LMAO.
: sounds like you saw the google tv set already.
: be an adult, talk some sense, will you?
: what is going on now, is google tv box fall down in competition with apple
: tv.
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p*t
77 楼
这就是典型的轮子思维了
水果的广告费不是它家开印钞机印出来的，而是消费者腰包里面搞出来的
它家广告做得越多越好，就意味着消费者买到的东西越是不值那价钱

【在 S****s 的大作中提到】
: 这个也是良性循环，apple该得的
: 问题是消费者也不好糊弄，如果galaxy tab 7和xoom真那么好，出来的宣传足够他们卖
: 100w台了
: 同样宣传力度的kindle fire就出了200w台了吧
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r*n
78 楼
Google一开始搞android是看中手机市场，是中国山寨贪便宜把android弄上平板的。
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g*g
79 楼
You obviously have not written any app. How many device models are there
for PC? Different CPU, different memory, different resolution? Is there
an issue for running a good app on all devices? Yes, there maybe a
minimum requirement so that it can run smoothly, but that's about it.
A good app should work for different resolution. iOS is inferior in that
it doesn't even support stretching underneath. You get it completely wrong.

are

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
:
: LOOOOL.
: kid, you mean google tv is good, but logitech is bad?
: LMAO.
: sounds like you saw the google tv set already.
: be an adult, talk some sense, will you?
: what is going on now, is google tv box fall down in competition with apple
: tv.
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g*g
80 楼
I don't know how much profits they sold these phones for.
And I couldn't care less. What I like is competition brings
down the price and improves the quality. And that's what
matters to me.
It's obviously Android is moving higher and iOS is lagging behind,
you have to be blind to not see the trend.

most

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
:
: LOOOOL.
: kid, you mean google tv is good, but logitech is bad?
: LMAO.
: sounds like you saw the google tv set already.
: be an adult, talk some sense, will you?
: what is going on now, is google tv box fall down in competition with apple
: tv.
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g*g
81 楼
iOS更新太慢，2年内从领先到大幅落后，反而成为亮点了。
你咋不看设备能支持多少个版本的更新？

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
:
: LOOOOL.
: kid, you mean google tv is good, but logitech is bad?
: LMAO.
: sounds like you saw the google tv set already.
: be an adult, talk some sense, will you?
: what is going on now, is google tv box fall down in competition with apple
: tv.
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t*s
82 楼
又脑残了，你分明说的是手机本身的利润高
这个和developer有狗屁关系
iphone降价100买的人更多，developer更开心
只有你们这种果奴，生怕苹果钱赚少了，有appl也罢了，我看多数没有

same

【在 c********p 的大作中提到】
:
: LOOOOL.
: kid, you mean google tv is good, but logitech is bad?
: LMAO.
: sounds like you saw the google tv set already.
: be an adult, talk some sense, will you?
: what is going on now, is google tv box fall down in competition with apple
: tv.
avatar
t*s
83 楼
对，如果屏幕尺寸越来越高是趋势的话
ios的一个很大危机就是那个分辨率只能长宽乘2的往上加。。。

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: You obviously have not written any app. How many device models are there
: for PC? Different CPU, different memory, different resolution? Is there
: an issue for running a good app on all devices? Yes, there maybe a
: minimum requirement so that it can run smoothly, but that's about it.
: A good app should work for different resolution. iOS is inferior in that
: it doesn't even support stretching underneath. You get it completely wrong.
:
: are
avatar
m*5
84 楼
这个是看着很奇怪，apple啥时候营造过什么狗屁‘高贵’感了
强调过设计上的perfection但和‘高贵’也没一毛钱关系。
这年头概念混淆的太多。

【在 b*********n 的大作中提到】
: anybody agree with "apple多年来一直努力营造的高贵感。"?
:
: 在Windows 8还没有推出的时候。
: 目前市场上成功的也就ipad1/2，目前出货良好的amazon fire只能算是成功了一半。
: 而android广大的tablets我个人认为很难称之为成功。
: 对比这成功，一半成功和不成功。
: 最大的区别还在于和内容的结合。
: apple和amazon都是在内容上有巨大的优势，硬件上反而尚在其次。
: apple除了内容上的巨大优势，还持有先发优势，设计上的优势，还有apple多年来一直
: 努力营造的高贵感。
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g*r
85 楼
其实这个很多时候不是价格的问题，android平板上apps的crash太多，我试过2.2的，
连google拼音都会crash，而iOS上crash少，基本没有。而且我装的crash的app还都是
market里面下的，这个就比较糟糕了，google market是干啥吃的？我估计它连app不同
版本的兼容性都不检查把？

【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: apple的成功是市场先机，漫天广告加品牌，名人效应。
: ipad先出来，别人好没有。外观还不错。
: 现在电视上apple的广告简直是蝗灾一样，每个台黄金时间恨不得每半小时一次。和麦
: 当劳，可乐，汽车差不多了。别的手机，平板厂家都几乎看不到。这广告做的是很厉害
: 的。
: 就功能而言，ipad没有任何优势。所有ipad能干的，其他tablet都能。其他tablet能干
: 的，有很多ipad不能。
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