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h*h2012-12-22 08:12

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现在OPT,10月转H1，由于没什么信用积累（从creditkamar上查出是thin file），所以
不敢挑战难度大的信用卡（没买过车，合租都不是用我的名字付房租，水电网费），想
问问这种情况，现在应该申什么信用卡？一定要从申请secured credit card开始么？
现在还能不能用OPT最后的机会申申学生信用卡？
谢谢

c*e2012-12-22 08:12

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【以下文字转载自 SanFrancisco 讨论区】
发信人: clarkmouse (Mouse On The Wing), 信区: SanFrancisco
标题: 急问：前房主欠州税 (LLC)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Aug 28 00:31:06 2011, 美东)
我们买房有将近4年了，最近突然受到加州政府的要求交税的信。应该是原房主用这个
地址注册了家LLC，但州税可能没交全。信上说，如果一星期内不交，就会怎样云云。
我的问题是：当初买房时没有任何Lien，也没有任何这方面的disclosure，是不是可以
认为原房主没有把房子注册为公司财产？去哪里可以查到这方面的信息？
如果真的有问题，那么买的title insurance能起什么作用？

r*y2012-12-22 08:12

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本版有些专业人士观点还停在“PC时代”。
http://blogs.arm.com/software-enablement/375-risc-versus-cisc-w
Posted by David Patterson, 2 COMMENTS 18 January 2011
This two-part blog gives a historical perspective on the ARM vs. 80x86
instruction set competition for three eras: PrePC (late 1970s/early 1980s),
PC (mid 1980s to mid 2000s), and PostPC (late 2000s onward).
Round 1: The Beginning of Reduced vs. Complex Instruction Set Computers
The first round of the RISC-CISC Wars started 30 years ago with the
publication of “The Case for the Reduced Instruction Set Computer” [1] and
the companion piece “Comments on "The Case for the Reduced Instruction Set
Computer"[2]. We argued then that an instruction set made up of simple or
reduced instructions using easy-to-decode instruction formats and lots of
registers was a better match to integrated circuits and compiler technology
than the instructions sets of the 1970s that featured complex instructions
and formats. Our counterexamples were the Digital VAX-11/780, the Intel iAPX
-432, and the Intel 8086 architectures, which we labeled Complex Instruction
Set Computers (CISC).
I recently found an old set of hand-drawn slides from 1981, one of which
shows the simple instructions and formats of the Berkeley RISC architecture.
Benchmarking Pipelined Microprocessors versus Microcoded Microprocessors
To implement their more sophisticated operations, CISCs relied on microcode,
which is an internal interpreter with its own program memory. RISC
advocates essentially argued that these simpler internal instructions should
be exposed to the compiler rather than buried inside an interpreter within
a chip.
RISC architects took advantage of the simpler instruction sets to first
demonstrate pipelining and later superscalar execution in microprocessors,
both of which had been limited to the supercomputer realm. Below are die
photos of Berkeley’s RISC I and RISC II, which were single-issue, five-
stage pipelined, 32-bit microprocessors.
The chart below was scanned from a 1981 slide I used to summarize the
Berkeley RISC results, using different cars to indicate complexity. First
car wins! (The top three cars were minicomputers. The lack of a flat address
space in the 8086, at the time it was hard to find a C compiler and UNIX
system to benchmark the 8086.)
It’s still amazing to me that there was a time when graduate students could
build a prototype chip that was actually faster than what industry could
build.
ARM, MIPS, and SPARC successfully demonstrated the benefits of RISC in the
marketplace of the 1980s with rapidly increasing performance that kept pace
with the rapid increase in transistors from Moore’s Law.
Round 2: Intel Responds and Dominates in the PC Era
Although the VAX and 432 succumbed to the RISC pressure, Intel x86 designers
rose to the challenge. Binary compatibility demanded that they keep the
complex instructions, so they couldn’t abandon microcode. However, as RISC
advocates pointed out, the most frequently executed instructions were simple
instructions. Intel’s solution was to have hardware translate the simple
x86 instructions into internal RISC instructions, and then use whatever
ideas RISC architects demonstrated with these internal simple instructions:
pipelining, superscalar execution, and so on. While Intel paid a “CISC tax
” with longer pipelines, extra translation hardware, and the microcode
burden of the complex operations:
Intel’s semiconductor fabrication line was ahead of what RISC companies
could use, so the smaller geometries could hide some of the CISC Tax;
As Moore’s Law led to on-chip integration of floating-point units and
caches, over time the CISC Tax became a smaller fraction of the chip;
The increasing popularity of the IBM PC combined with distribution of
software in binary format made the x86 instruction set increasingly valuable
, no matter what the tax.
Wikipedia’s conclusion of Round 2 of the RISC-CISC war is “While early
RISC designs were significantly different than contemporary CISC designs, by
2000 the highest performing CPUs in the RISC line were almost
indistinguishable from the highest performing CPUs in the CISC line.”
Given the value of x86 software and eventual performance parity, CISC
monopolized the desktop in the PC era.
Conclusion
While RISC became commercially successful in Round 1, to its credit Intel
responded by leveraging Moore’s Law to maintain binary compatibility with
PC software and embrace RISC concepts by translating to RISC instructions
internally. The CISC tax was a small price to pay for the PC market.
In my next blog, we'll examine RISC-CISC Wars in the current Post-PC Era,
which is based on Cloud Computing and Personal Mobile Devices like smart
phones and tablets.
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[1] D. A. Patterson and D. R. Ditzel, "The Case for the Reduced Instruction
Set Computer," ACM SIGARCH Computer Architecture News, 8: 6, 25-33, Oct.
1980.
[2] D. W. Clark and W. D. Strecker, “Comments on ‘The Case for the Reduced
Instruction Set Computer’,” ibid, 34-38, Oct. 1980.
David Patterson has been Professor of Computer Science at UC Berkeley since
1977. He is one of the pioneers of Reduced Instruction Set Computers,
Redundant Arrays of Inexpensive Disks, and Network of Workstations in
addition to being co-author of two widely-used textbooks on Computer
Architecture, now in their 4th editions. He is a member of the US National
Academy of Engineering, the US National Academy of Sciences, and the Silicon
Valley Engineering Hall of Fame. Recently, while exploring the perceived
value of Personal Mobile Devices in the PostPC Era, he made the shocking
discovery that iPads make excellent Christmas presents for your adult
children!
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farasite
23 January 2011 - 11:28 AM
I guess going forward with a RISC architecture has been risky for the last 3
decades . RISC vs CISC is more of an emotional debate than practical and I
think is over because no CPU qualifies as simple: they are all very complex
designs.
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David Patterson
24 January 2011 - 09:08 PM
Your comment is true about the microprocessors of the PC Era, but not sure
it's true for the microprocessors for the PostPC Era. The emphasis on energy
efficiency, cost, and multiple cores are leading to a simplification of the
underlying architectures, so RISC is returning.
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x*n2012-12-22 08:12

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我会告诉你我转学后还用原本学校资料申请吗。。。没事的

T*e2012-12-22 08:12

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从你的帖子看这个信应该是寄给前房主的。如果你们买前房子没有lien,那现在和你们
没关系。只要和州里说房子已经转手前房主不住在这里应该就行了。如果是欠property tax好像就是你们的责任了

m*y2012-12-22 08:12

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就会怎样云云? 说清楚啊