h*k
6 楼
以后的潮流是家里就留一台desktop/laptop,其它的phone/tablet/console/set top都
能搞定了,系统好不好用大家也不care了。
能搞定了,系统好不好用大家也不care了。
h*a
8 楼
I were planning to purchase a ultrabook next month. After visting Bestbuy
and being fed up with the ulgy GUI of Windows 8, I decided to delay this
purchase.
and being fed up with the ulgy GUI of Windows 8, I decided to delay this
purchase.
s*m
9 楼
The GUI will be here to stay for at least several years. It doesn't make
sense to delay purchase. You either use Win 7, or jump to Mac.
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: I were planning to purchase a ultrabook next month. After visting Bestbuy
: and being fed up with the ulgy GUI of Windows 8, I decided to delay this
: purchase.
sense to delay purchase. You either use Win 7, or jump to Mac.
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: I were planning to purchase a ultrabook next month. After visting Bestbuy
: and being fed up with the ulgy GUI of Windows 8, I decided to delay this
: purchase.
c*7
19 楼
企业用户可不敢升级win8,很多还在用xp呢, 升级win8的成本太高,所有人都得重新培
训, 所以win7可能成为另一个xp.
训, 所以win7可能成为另一个xp.
S*r
25 楼
Actually although I like win8, I don't think the metro UI can equal start
menu.
Star menu is a "menu" with many levels. Metro UI is flatten. Everything on
same level. Even you can group some tiles, it's still not as organized as a
"menu" structure.
And for many people, when they go to PC, on the original desktop what they
are looking for is a "file", like doc, pic, movie, spreadsheet; not an app.
They find the file, double click it then windows pick the app to open it.
Now from Metro UI, what they first see is apps, it felt like you had to pick
an app first then to open the file. So the workflow is kinda reversed. It's
not difficult to do, but it's confusing at first.
【在 o******l 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: metro界面就是start menu. 企业用户就不非是一级一级跟着升的。xp和vista有动力。
menu.
Star menu is a "menu" with many levels. Metro UI is flatten. Everything on
same level. Even you can group some tiles, it's still not as organized as a
"menu" structure.
And for many people, when they go to PC, on the original desktop what they
are looking for is a "file", like doc, pic, movie, spreadsheet; not an app.
They find the file, double click it then windows pick the app to open it.
Now from Metro UI, what they first see is apps, it felt like you had to pick
an app first then to open the file. So the workflow is kinda reversed. It's
not difficult to do, but it's confusing at first.
【在 o******l 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: metro界面就是start menu. 企业用户就不非是一级一级跟着升的。xp和vista有动力。
s*m
26 楼
你在win7底下登录就找文件而不是去task bar找程序图标?
a
.
pick
's
【在 S********r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: Actually although I like win8, I don't think the metro UI can equal start
: menu.
: Star menu is a "menu" with many levels. Metro UI is flatten. Everything on
: same level. Even you can group some tiles, it's still not as organized as a
: "menu" structure.
: And for many people, when they go to PC, on the original desktop what they
: are looking for is a "file", like doc, pic, movie, spreadsheet; not an app.
: They find the file, double click it then windows pick the app to open it.
: Now from Metro UI, what they first see is apps, it felt like you had to pick
: an app first then to open the file. So the workflow is kinda reversed. It's
a
.
pick
's
【在 S********r 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: Actually although I like win8, I don't think the metro UI can equal start
: menu.
: Star menu is a "menu" with many levels. Metro UI is flatten. Everything on
: same level. Even you can group some tiles, it's still not as organized as a
: "menu" structure.
: And for many people, when they go to PC, on the original desktop what they
: are looking for is a "file", like doc, pic, movie, spreadsheet; not an app.
: They find the file, double click it then windows pick the app to open it.
: Now from Metro UI, what they first see is apps, it felt like you had to pick
: an app first then to open the file. So the workflow is kinda reversed. It's
b*7
27 楼
you are right about seeing apps first. this is copied from ipad and andoid
devices. good or bad is not i'm talking about here. But it seems like the
designer of metro ui believed that lots of the people out there in the world
are already familar with seeing apps instead of files. think about it, if
you are using ipad or an andoid tablet, do you select a file and let the OS
pick an app to open it for you, or do you first open an app and let it open/
play a file?
i don't know which way is better. but at least win8 provides both options (
from metro and from traditional desktop). many people here think these are
conflicting. personally i see them as choices.
a
.
pick
's
【在 S********r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: Actually although I like win8, I don't think the metro UI can equal start
: menu.
: Star menu is a "menu" with many levels. Metro UI is flatten. Everything on
: same level. Even you can group some tiles, it's still not as organized as a
: "menu" structure.
: And for many people, when they go to PC, on the original desktop what they
: are looking for is a "file", like doc, pic, movie, spreadsheet; not an app.
: They find the file, double click it then windows pick the app to open it.
: Now from Metro UI, what they first see is apps, it felt like you had to pick
: an app first then to open the file. So the workflow is kinda reversed. It's
devices. good or bad is not i'm talking about here. But it seems like the
designer of metro ui believed that lots of the people out there in the world
are already familar with seeing apps instead of files. think about it, if
you are using ipad or an andoid tablet, do you select a file and let the OS
pick an app to open it for you, or do you first open an app and let it open/
play a file?
i don't know which way is better. but at least win8 provides both options (
from metro and from traditional desktop). many people here think these are
conflicting. personally i see them as choices.
a
.
pick
's
【在 S********r 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: Actually although I like win8, I don't think the metro UI can equal start
: menu.
: Star menu is a "menu" with many levels. Metro UI is flatten. Everything on
: same level. Even you can group some tiles, it's still not as organized as a
: "menu" structure.
: And for many people, when they go to PC, on the original desktop what they
: are looking for is a "file", like doc, pic, movie, spreadsheet; not an app.
: They find the file, double click it then windows pick the app to open it.
: Now from Metro UI, what they first see is apps, it felt like you had to pick
: an app first then to open the file. So the workflow is kinda reversed. It's
S*r
28 楼
Just take a look at a typical user's windows desktop, you will see what I
mean. Lots of icons, word doc, spread sheet, pic...Yes, most people come to
pc to open a "file" not to open an app.
Actually, apps oriented is probably why sometimes people feel they are
limited under iOS and Android OS because they don't feel they are in control
of the content, in another word, "file". It's OK for iOS and android since
people mostly just consume content on them. But for PC, people are expecting
to manage their files here. Press win+D or click on desktop tile is a small
and easy step, but like I said, it's a reverse of people's usual workflow.
So it's a big deal escpecially for those already use PC for many years.
mean. Lots of icons, word doc, spread sheet, pic...Yes, most people come to
pc to open a "file" not to open an app.
Actually, apps oriented is probably why sometimes people feel they are
limited under iOS and Android OS because they don't feel they are in control
of the content, in another word, "file". It's OK for iOS and android since
people mostly just consume content on them. But for PC, people are expecting
to manage their files here. Press win+D or click on desktop tile is a small
and easy step, but like I said, it's a reverse of people's usual workflow.
So it's a big deal escpecially for those already use PC for many years.
b*7
29 楼
like i said, win8 provides both options and it's up to the users to choose
which one to go with. i agree that the transition is not smooth enough and
the idea is not clearly conveyed (damn those marketing guys from MS. they
are nothing but stupid).
to
control
since
expecting
small
.
【在 S********r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: Just take a look at a typical user's windows desktop, you will see what I
: mean. Lots of icons, word doc, spread sheet, pic...Yes, most people come to
: pc to open a "file" not to open an app.
: Actually, apps oriented is probably why sometimes people feel they are
: limited under iOS and Android OS because they don't feel they are in control
: of the content, in another word, "file". It's OK for iOS and android since
: people mostly just consume content on them. But for PC, people are expecting
: to manage their files here. Press win+D or click on desktop tile is a small
: and easy step, but like I said, it's a reverse of people's usual workflow.
: So it's a big deal escpecially for those already use PC for many years.
which one to go with. i agree that the transition is not smooth enough and
the idea is not clearly conveyed (damn those marketing guys from MS. they
are nothing but stupid).
to
control
since
expecting
small
.
【在 S********r 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: Just take a look at a typical user's windows desktop, you will see what I
: mean. Lots of icons, word doc, spread sheet, pic...Yes, most people come to
: pc to open a "file" not to open an app.
: Actually, apps oriented is probably why sometimes people feel they are
: limited under iOS and Android OS because they don't feel they are in control
: of the content, in another word, "file". It's OK for iOS and android since
: people mostly just consume content on them. But for PC, people are expecting
: to manage their files here. Press win+D or click on desktop tile is a small
: and easy step, but like I said, it's a reverse of people's usual workflow.
: So it's a big deal escpecially for those already use PC for many years.
S*r
30 楼
MS should give user more choices such as boot directly into either Metro or
Classic desktop mode.
But then, my speculation is it would be difficult for MS to justify a full
charge for win8 especially for most pc users who will use desktop mode only.
Most of the changes are not on UI level (but win8 is better than win7 in
many ways), some people would even feel it's "uglier" than win7. lol
Classic desktop mode.
But then, my speculation is it would be difficult for MS to justify a full
charge for win8 especially for most pc users who will use desktop mode only.
Most of the changes are not on UI level (but win8 is better than win7 in
many ways), some people would even feel it's "uglier" than win7. lol
b*7
32 楼
everything has two sides. if there's a boot option to go into either metro
or traditional mode, what if you want to play a small game in metro after
lunch during work day? do you want to reboot the machine into metro? in
this case, dual mode like win8 now is a better solution.
what i'm trying to say is that designing an OS, especially a widely used OS
like windows is not an easy task. i know many people still uses and prefers
to use xp. but xp has so many security holes. some people don't care, but it
doesn't mean other people don't care either. security-wise, and
functionality-wise, win7/8 are way better than xp. but some people just don'
t like changes.
or
only.
【在 S********r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: MS should give user more choices such as boot directly into either Metro or
: Classic desktop mode.
: But then, my speculation is it would be difficult for MS to justify a full
: charge for win8 especially for most pc users who will use desktop mode only.
: Most of the changes are not on UI level (but win8 is better than win7 in
: many ways), some people would even feel it's "uglier" than win7. lol
or traditional mode, what if you want to play a small game in metro after
lunch during work day? do you want to reboot the machine into metro? in
this case, dual mode like win8 now is a better solution.
what i'm trying to say is that designing an OS, especially a widely used OS
like windows is not an easy task. i know many people still uses and prefers
to use xp. but xp has so many security holes. some people don't care, but it
doesn't mean other people don't care either. security-wise, and
functionality-wise, win7/8 are way better than xp. but some people just don'
t like changes.
or
only.
【在 S********r 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: MS should give user more choices such as boot directly into either Metro or
: Classic desktop mode.
: But then, my speculation is it would be difficult for MS to justify a full
: charge for win8 especially for most pc users who will use desktop mode only.
: Most of the changes are not on UI level (but win8 is better than win7 in
: many ways), some people would even feel it's "uglier" than win7. lol
S*I
33 楼
Maybe Obama is an ideal CEO for MSFT: we can change! :)
OS
prefers
it
don'
【在 b********7 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: everything has two sides. if there's a boot option to go into either metro
: or traditional mode, what if you want to play a small game in metro after
: lunch during work day? do you want to reboot the machine into metro? in
: this case, dual mode like win8 now is a better solution.
: what i'm trying to say is that designing an OS, especially a widely used OS
: like windows is not an easy task. i know many people still uses and prefers
: to use xp. but xp has so many security holes. some people don't care, but it
: doesn't mean other people don't care either. security-wise, and
: functionality-wise, win7/8 are way better than xp. but some people just don'
: t like changes.
OS
prefers
it
don'
【在 b********7 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: everything has two sides. if there's a boot option to go into either metro
: or traditional mode, what if you want to play a small game in metro after
: lunch during work day? do you want to reboot the machine into metro? in
: this case, dual mode like win8 now is a better solution.
: what i'm trying to say is that designing an OS, especially a widely used OS
: like windows is not an easy task. i know many people still uses and prefers
: to use xp. but xp has so many security holes. some people don't care, but it
: doesn't mean other people don't care either. security-wise, and
: functionality-wise, win7/8 are way better than xp. but some people just don'
: t like changes.
S*r
36 楼
No. What I mean is just skip Metro UI if user choose to boot into desktop
mode (then MS need to add start button back..lol). But if needed, user can
go to Metro Mode just like today he can go to Media Center Mode.
Yes. OS is a very complex thing. Never say it's easy. Although I have some
complains about win8, I still like it and would use it as my main OS.
mode (then MS need to add start button back..lol). But if needed, user can
go to Metro Mode just like today he can go to Media Center Mode.
Yes. OS is a very complex thing. Never say it's easy. Although I have some
complains about win8, I still like it and would use it as my main OS.
b*7
37 楼
it might work and maybe it's better than the current design. i don't know.
but some people will complain about not being able to find the metro mode
because it's hidden and WTF is the difference from win7. there's never a
single design that can please all
people.
【在 S********r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: No. What I mean is just skip Metro UI if user choose to boot into desktop
: mode (then MS need to add start button back..lol). But if needed, user can
: go to Metro Mode just like today he can go to Media Center Mode.
: Yes. OS is a very complex thing. Never say it's easy. Although I have some
: complains about win8, I still like it and would use it as my main OS.
but some people will complain about not being able to find the metro mode
because it's hidden and WTF is the difference from win7. there's never a
single design that can please all
people.
【在 S********r 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: No. What I mean is just skip Metro UI if user choose to boot into desktop
: mode (then MS need to add start button back..lol). But if needed, user can
: go to Metro Mode just like today he can go to Media Center Mode.
: Yes. OS is a very complex thing. Never say it's easy. Although I have some
: complains about win8, I still like it and would use it as my main OS.
S*r
38 楼
Yes. There is no single design can please all people.
But if a design is not intuitive then you will hear a lot noise.
If the dual boot mode is possible, then by default, boot tablet into Metro
Mode and desktop pc into desktop mode. For those want to switch between mode
? They will find it since they are probably geek. But again, haha, the
desktop mode looks very similar to win7...
Maybe the idea of combining two UI comes from Marketing Dpt? Since it makes
their work much easier...
But if a design is not intuitive then you will hear a lot noise.
If the dual boot mode is possible, then by default, boot tablet into Metro
Mode and desktop pc into desktop mode. For those want to switch between mode
? They will find it since they are probably geek. But again, haha, the
desktop mode looks very similar to win7...
Maybe the idea of combining two UI comes from Marketing Dpt? Since it makes
their work much easier...
b*7
39 楼
actually the design was meant to make the metro UI more obvious. hence the
disappearance of the start button. is it good or bad? i don't know.
mode
makes
【在 S********r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: Yes. There is no single design can please all people.
: But if a design is not intuitive then you will hear a lot noise.
: If the dual boot mode is possible, then by default, boot tablet into Metro
: Mode and desktop pc into desktop mode. For those want to switch between mode
: ? They will find it since they are probably geek. But again, haha, the
: desktop mode looks very similar to win7...
: Maybe the idea of combining two UI comes from Marketing Dpt? Since it makes
: their work much easier...
disappearance of the start button. is it good or bad? i don't know.
mode
makes
【在 S********r 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: Yes. There is no single design can please all people.
: But if a design is not intuitive then you will hear a lot noise.
: If the dual boot mode is possible, then by default, boot tablet into Metro
: Mode and desktop pc into desktop mode. For those want to switch between mode
: ? They will find it since they are probably geek. But again, haha, the
: desktop mode looks very similar to win7...
: Maybe the idea of combining two UI comes from Marketing Dpt? Since it makes
: their work much easier...
S*r
40 楼
lol, it's ok to get ppl's attention, but not by annoying them?
At least on Metro UI, the title should differentiate which is metro app and
which is desktop app.
At least on Metro UI, the title should differentiate which is metro app and
which is desktop app.
S*r
42 楼
回家后发现,其实desktop tiles和metro tiles是不同的
desktop tiles都是系统底色的背景加个icon,metro tile的底色就五颜六色的...
desktop tiles都是系统底色的背景加个icon,metro tile的底色就五颜六色的...
c*n
45 楼
其实这是微软下的一步大旗,下一代的Windows有三种
Metro版 -$199
附带开始菜单版 -$299
可以关机版 -$999
Metro版 -$199
附带开始菜单版 -$299
可以关机版 -$999
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