m*n
2 楼
谁来说说 用旁轴的人都是什么潜在心理
这个所见非所得的相机
边框对不上
景深看不到
滤镜找不着
连镜头盖摘没摘可能都不知道
也许这东西才让人想拍照?因为想看到拍出来是啥样?
另一个极端是哈苏禄莱,把“像”照在眼前让你看个够,都看够了,还用拍出来看么
这个所见非所得的相机
边框对不上
景深看不到
滤镜找不着
连镜头盖摘没摘可能都不知道
也许这东西才让人想拍照?因为想看到拍出来是啥样?
另一个极端是哈苏禄莱,把“像”照在眼前让你看个够,都看够了,还用拍出来看么
b*r
3 楼
of course yes
m*q
7 楼
Thanks a lot!
x*c
21 楼
没说清楚
说起旁轴,马上想到的是leica
m6和MEsuper比,即使装上镜头也没有太大优势,拆掉就不用说了。
我倒不觉得旁轴的优点是机身轻小,反正旁轴也有大有小,快门倒是非常轻,振动也很
小。
【在 s**********s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: i'm sure contax T2 or T is a bloody hell lighter than me super.
: with regard to larger rangefinder, yes M7 is larger and heavier than me
: super. but it produces 56x69mm negatives while me super does a miserable(
: sorry 35mm guys) 36x24mm.
说起旁轴,马上想到的是leica
m6和MEsuper比,即使装上镜头也没有太大优势,拆掉就不用说了。
我倒不觉得旁轴的优点是机身轻小,反正旁轴也有大有小,快门倒是非常轻,振动也很
小。
【在 s**********s 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: i'm sure contax T2 or T is a bloody hell lighter than me super.
: with regard to larger rangefinder, yes M7 is larger and heavier than me
: super. but it produces 56x69mm negatives while me super does a miserable(
: sorry 35mm guys) 36x24mm.
s*s
28 楼
M7 is among the very few cameras which has both great pros and great cons.
as I said, the combination of the very best medium format lense and a very
limited rangefinder body with many ill-designed features (metering pattern
being the worst). u either love it or hate it depending on what you do with
it.
me being among the ones who hate it, won't deny that it can be a great
camera on the hands of its targeted users. 游莉 & Ryu being good examples
【在 b*****e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 捧也是马7,扁也是马7。您老这M7黑粉。。。
as I said, the combination of the very best medium format lense and a very
limited rangefinder body with many ill-designed features (metering pattern
being the worst). u either love it or hate it depending on what you do with
it.
me being among the ones who hate it, won't deny that it can be a great
camera on the hands of its targeted users. 游莉 & Ryu being good examples
【在 b*****e 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 捧也是马7,扁也是马7。您老这M7黑粉。。。
s*s
30 楼
depends on which focal lengths you compare. they are very similar in
performance though (in fact pretty much all modern LF lense after 80s are
very similar in terms of resolution performance).
Nikkor 300M is almost the same as Fuji 300C.
same applies to N 90/8 vs Fujinon SWD 90/5.6.
【在 t****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: LF的话,富士龙没有Nikkor锐。
performance though (in fact pretty much all modern LF lense after 80s are
very similar in terms of resolution performance).
Nikkor 300M is almost the same as Fuji 300C.
same applies to N 90/8 vs Fujinon SWD 90/5.6.
【在 t****g 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: LF的话,富士龙没有Nikkor锐。
s*s
32 楼
i think perez's test on these are not completely accurate. i shot GW690II
for a while and the negs i've got are almost as sharp as those from Mamiya
7 80/4. not as brilliant of course, but i don't think there is a 2x
difference in resolution....
【在 a***a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 富士龙还真不一定傻锐比得过
: M7 80
: 120 120 60 f/4
: 120 120 68 f5.6
: 120 107 68 f/8
: 107 107 76 f/11
: 76 76 68 f/16
: 60 60 60 f/22
: 90mm f/3.5 Fujinon
: 60 53 47 f/3.5
for a while and the negs i've got are almost as sharp as those from Mamiya
7 80/4. not as brilliant of course, but i don't think there is a 2x
difference in resolution....
【在 a***a 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 富士龙还真不一定傻锐比得过
: M7 80
: 120 120 60 f/4
: 120 120 68 f5.6
: 120 107 68 f/8
: 107 107 76 f/11
: 76 76 68 f/16
: 60 60 60 f/22
: 90mm f/3.5 Fujinon
: 60 53 47 f/3.5
t*g
33 楼
全体平均比较一下吧。另外早期的fujinon并不出众。还有一个是fujinon的render普遍
冷,这个是我后来选了Nikon的原因。
三个镜头,四大家族就只好舍了富士龙了。
【在 s**********s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: depends on which focal lengths you compare. they are very similar in
: performance though (in fact pretty much all modern LF lense after 80s are
: very similar in terms of resolution performance).
: Nikkor 300M is almost the same as Fuji 300C.
: same applies to N 90/8 vs Fujinon SWD 90/5.6.
冷,这个是我后来选了Nikon的原因。
三个镜头,四大家族就只好舍了富士龙了。
【在 s**********s 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: depends on which focal lengths you compare. they are very similar in
: performance though (in fact pretty much all modern LF lense after 80s are
: very similar in terms of resolution performance).
: Nikkor 300M is almost the same as Fuji 300C.
: same applies to N 90/8 vs Fujinon SWD 90/5.6.
H*m
35 楼
not really
me super is smaller than g2/g1
【在 s**********s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: i'm sure contax T2 or T is a bloody hell lighter than me super.
: with regard to larger rangefinder, yes M7 is larger and heavier than me
: super. but it produces 56x69mm negatives while me super does a miserable(
: sorry 35mm guys) 36x24mm.
me super is smaller than g2/g1
【在 s**********s 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: i'm sure contax T2 or T is a bloody hell lighter than me super.
: with regard to larger rangefinder, yes M7 is larger and heavier than me
: super. but it produces 56x69mm negatives while me super does a miserable(
: sorry 35mm guys) 36x24mm.
s*s
36 楼
i agree that there is no picture that you can't make with a me super while
you can with a M6. but for wide angle focal lengths with wide aperture, i.e.
35/1.4 or 28/2.8, SLR lense are just too bloody big compared to Ms. even
SLR 50/1.8 is significantly bigger than a 'cron 50.
and aren't those brilliant 28s, 35s and 50s among the major reasons of
buying a M?
【在 x****c 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 没说清楚
: 说起旁轴,马上想到的是leica
: m6和MEsuper比,即使装上镜头也没有太大优势,拆掉就不用说了。
: 我倒不觉得旁轴的优点是机身轻小,反正旁轴也有大有小,快门倒是非常轻,振动也很
: 小。
you can with a M6. but for wide angle focal lengths with wide aperture, i.e.
35/1.4 or 28/2.8, SLR lense are just too bloody big compared to Ms. even
SLR 50/1.8 is significantly bigger than a 'cron 50.
and aren't those brilliant 28s, 35s and 50s among the major reasons of
buying a M?
【在 x****c 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 没说清楚
: 说起旁轴,马上想到的是leica
: m6和MEsuper比,即使装上镜头也没有太大优势,拆掉就不用说了。
: 我倒不觉得旁轴的优点是机身轻小,反正旁轴也有大有小,快门倒是非常轻,振动也很
: 小。
b*e
37 楼
还有骆丹,拍《中国318国道》,也是马7相机。这相机在拍风光时威力大减,但是在拍
这样片时,还是很适合的。手持可以到1/15秒,极限情况下1/8也能凑合。用负片,宽
容度大,基本不要GND,对测光要求也降低。象这些人,我估计80mm就是极限了。所以
80和65就是中央加权测光,43和50就是点测光,问题可能也不大。分辨率极高,精扫据
您老说可堪比大幅,整个拍摄过程就极其便捷,特别适合行吟拍摄。
with
【在 s**********s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: M7 is among the very few cameras which has both great pros and great cons.
: as I said, the combination of the very best medium format lense and a very
: limited rangefinder body with many ill-designed features (metering pattern
: being the worst). u either love it or hate it depending on what you do with
: it.
: me being among the ones who hate it, won't deny that it can be a great
: camera on the hands of its targeted users. 游莉 & Ryu being good examples
这样片时,还是很适合的。手持可以到1/15秒,极限情况下1/8也能凑合。用负片,宽
容度大,基本不要GND,对测光要求也降低。象这些人,我估计80mm就是极限了。所以
80和65就是中央加权测光,43和50就是点测光,问题可能也不大。分辨率极高,精扫据
您老说可堪比大幅,整个拍摄过程就极其便捷,特别适合行吟拍摄。
with
【在 s**********s 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: M7 is among the very few cameras which has both great pros and great cons.
: as I said, the combination of the very best medium format lense and a very
: limited rangefinder body with many ill-designed features (metering pattern
: being the worst). u either love it or hate it depending on what you do with
: it.
: me being among the ones who hate it, won't deny that it can be a great
: camera on the hands of its targeted users. 游莉 & Ryu being good examples
T*t
38 楼
pentax M 28/2不是很大啊...hehe
e.
【在 s**********s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: i agree that there is no picture that you can't make with a me super while
: you can with a M6. but for wide angle focal lengths with wide aperture, i.e.
: 35/1.4 or 28/2.8, SLR lense are just too bloody big compared to Ms. even
: SLR 50/1.8 is significantly bigger than a 'cron 50.
: and aren't those brilliant 28s, 35s and 50s among the major reasons of
: buying a M?
e.
【在 s**********s 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: i agree that there is no picture that you can't make with a me super while
: you can with a M6. but for wide angle focal lengths with wide aperture, i.e.
: 35/1.4 or 28/2.8, SLR lense are just too bloody big compared to Ms. even
: SLR 50/1.8 is significantly bigger than a 'cron 50.
: and aren't those brilliant 28s, 35s and 50s among the major reasons of
: buying a M?
b*e
44 楼
查了一下,有
http://www.gzbookcenter.com/search/view.jsp?proID=1180513
【在 t****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 没公开出版画册?
http://www.gzbookcenter.com/search/view.jsp?proID=1180513
【在 t****g 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 没公开出版画册?
t*g
45 楼
good,叫我爸带本国来。
【在 b*****e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 查了一下,有
: http://www.gzbookcenter.com/search/view.jsp?proID=1180513
【在 b*****e 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 查了一下,有
: http://www.gzbookcenter.com/search/view.jsp?proID=1180513
s*s
48 楼
fujinon's rendering is almost the same as schneider, which is indeed towards
the cool side. someone said nikkor is slightly warmer, just like rodenstock
. i can't tell.
earlier i did a comparison between fujinon SWD 90/5.6 and Schneider SA 90/8
MC for sunset scenes. absolutely no difference. later i did Fuji 125/5.6 vs
Nikkor 90/8 vs Schneider 75/5.6 vs rodenstock 210/5.6. still no difference
in colors.
【在 t****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 全体平均比较一下吧。另外早期的fujinon并不出众。还有一个是fujinon的render普遍
: 冷,这个是我后来选了Nikon的原因。
: 三个镜头,四大家族就只好舍了富士龙了。
the cool side. someone said nikkor is slightly warmer, just like rodenstock
. i can't tell.
earlier i did a comparison between fujinon SWD 90/5.6 and Schneider SA 90/8
MC for sunset scenes. absolutely no difference. later i did Fuji 125/5.6 vs
Nikkor 90/8 vs Schneider 75/5.6 vs rodenstock 210/5.6. still no difference
in colors.
【在 t****g 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 全体平均比较一下吧。另外早期的fujinon并不出众。还有一个是fujinon的render普遍
: 冷,这个是我后来选了Nikon的原因。
: 三个镜头,四大家族就只好舍了富士龙了。
x*c
49 楼
说到镜头大小
旁轴上小镜头对焦时如果用拨杆的话,不会不舒服么?单反镜头虽大,但左手可以托着
拧对焦环,没那么别扭。
好像有些leica镜头虽小,但不是用拨杆来转对焦环,而是一个类似于按钮的东西来给手
指拨动对焦,这个似乎会舒服些,但没试过。
e.
【在 s**********s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: i agree that there is no picture that you can't make with a me super while
: you can with a M6. but for wide angle focal lengths with wide aperture, i.e.
: 35/1.4 or 28/2.8, SLR lense are just too bloody big compared to Ms. even
: SLR 50/1.8 is significantly bigger than a 'cron 50.
: and aren't those brilliant 28s, 35s and 50s among the major reasons of
: buying a M?
旁轴上小镜头对焦时如果用拨杆的话,不会不舒服么?单反镜头虽大,但左手可以托着
拧对焦环,没那么别扭。
好像有些leica镜头虽小,但不是用拨杆来转对焦环,而是一个类似于按钮的东西来给手
指拨动对焦,这个似乎会舒服些,但没试过。
e.
【在 s**********s 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: i agree that there is no picture that you can't make with a me super while
: you can with a M6. but for wide angle focal lengths with wide aperture, i.e.
: 35/1.4 or 28/2.8, SLR lense are just too bloody big compared to Ms. even
: SLR 50/1.8 is significantly bigger than a 'cron 50.
: and aren't those brilliant 28s, 35s and 50s among the major reasons of
: buying a M?
s*s
50 楼
depending on the helical grease used in the lense. if the grease is too
heavy, tabs are not easy to use.
i find leica/voigtlander tabs are very comfortable to use, while ZM lense
use heavy helical grease and i prefer focusing them with the focusing ring
instead.
给手
【在 x****c 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 说到镜头大小
: 旁轴上小镜头对焦时如果用拨杆的话,不会不舒服么?单反镜头虽大,但左手可以托着
: 拧对焦环,没那么别扭。
: 好像有些leica镜头虽小,但不是用拨杆来转对焦环,而是一个类似于按钮的东西来给手
: 指拨动对焦,这个似乎会舒服些,但没试过。
:
: e.
heavy, tabs are not easy to use.
i find leica/voigtlander tabs are very comfortable to use, while ZM lense
use heavy helical grease and i prefer focusing them with the focusing ring
instead.
给手
【在 x****c 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 说到镜头大小
: 旁轴上小镜头对焦时如果用拨杆的话,不会不舒服么?单反镜头虽大,但左手可以托着
: 拧对焦环,没那么别扭。
: 好像有些leica镜头虽小,但不是用拨杆来转对焦环,而是一个类似于按钮的东西来给手
: 指拨动对焦,这个似乎会舒服些,但没试过。
:
: e.
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