i*e
2 楼
挺好，上吧。18-55光圈大 比较锐
【在 T****i 的大作中提到】
: 定了个X100S，等啊等，还没等到。再不来，都想上X-E1了。哪位用过，感觉如何，推
: 荐什么镜头？
【在 T****i 的大作中提到】
: 定了个X100S，等啊等，还没等到。再不来，都想上X-E1了。哪位用过，感觉如何，推
: 荐什么镜头？
p*e
3 楼
几个镜头都不错 有钱就都上
f*d
4 楼
真的不玩m43了？:)
【在 T****i 的大作中提到】
: 定了个X100S，等啊等，还没等到。再不来，都想上X-E1了。哪位用过，感觉如何，推
: 荐什么镜头？
【在 T****i 的大作中提到】
: 定了个X100S，等啊等，还没等到。再不来，都想上X-E1了。哪位用过，感觉如何，推
: 荐什么镜头？
J*o
5 楼
过几天fuji就被喷成渣了..
w*g
6 楼
等着看fuji被黑出翔
t*k
7 楼
等等吧，有rumor说很快要出X-E1S，用X100S的sensor，这样对焦就给力了。
t*k
8 楼
Fuji不好么？我最近有点眼馋啊。。。
【在 w*********g 的大作中提到】
: 等着看fuji被黑出翔
【在 w*********g 的大作中提到】
: 等着看fuji被黑出翔
a*t
9 楼
虚标iso
【在 t******k 的大作中提到】
: Fuji不好么？我最近有点眼馋啊。。。
【在 t******k 的大作中提到】
: Fuji不好么？我最近有点眼馋啊。。。
e*n
10 楼
fuji的问题主要是哪个X-Trans的sensor. 解raw很不好解. 比如会产生著名的"water
color effect or smear effect"等. fuji版经常有人吐槽. 比如最近的这个长篇的:
I will apologize in advance for this post as I don't mean to be a contrarian
on a fan website but I feel obligated to voice one more opinion as that's
the purpose of the forum I guess.
From reading the thoroughness of some of the research here, it's evident to
me that many of the posters here are much more informed than I am from a
technical understanding (I do have an engineering degree focused on film and
video imaging but much has changed since the late '70's so I'll limit my
opinion to a gut or "feel" point of view.
After working with the X100S for a few months now and comparing it to the
images that were output from the X100 I previously owned I'll go on record
as saying that the camera has a very distinct signature that differs from
that camera or a 5D2. If one is accustomed to the look of traditional or
analogue photography as being the benchmark then this camera is somewhat off
…well maybe way off. To complicate things, it's very dependent on subject
matter.
The water color effect or smear effect is not imagined; it's very evident. I
've gone through all the Raw converters..Iridient, Adobe, Capture 1. It's my
opinion that it's unresolvable and must have to do with the inherent sensor
design, pixel allocation and debayering method. There is a very signature
look on out of focus highlights depending on background contrast, almost a
halation effect, and is most obvious as many have noted in detailed greens.
What has motivated me to write this is that the effect has been particularly
bothersome to me this morning in an image I was working on. It was taken
with a high shutter speed but the leaves look as if they are out of focus or
blowing. When the image is enlarged it's apparent that the leaves are in
focus but there is a blur around the edges...it's an artifact that I wish
wasn't there. I won't bore everyone by posting enlarged portions as so much
has been done to illustrate that already.
I've made my living for the past 30 years in motion picture cinematography
and we are going through the same developmental curve. I was one of the very
early advocates for digital as the pluses greatly outnumbered the minuses.
Different cameras have different artifacts baked in and the goal is to
anticipate the interpretation and sometimes use it to one's advantage. The
grail of course has been to match digital images with the photochemical
legacy that the audience and the DP's are accustomed to. To narrow that gap
we have had to adjust how we expose and move the camera and shoot and avoid
the pitfalls until the camera design resolves them.
I understand engineering tradeoffs and the xTrans has a few. I guess it's
marketed as a semi-pro camera and the designers decided that the image
personality wouldn't be noticed by or offend the core buyer to the point of
rejection. My problem is that I love the operational aspects of the camera
and yet I can, depending on subject mater, easily discern it's shortcomings.
My summation to prospective buyers is that the camera, like it's predecessor
, is a lovely piece of design, an ergonomic joy to work with and has a
wonderful interface and "feel". It's a digital LeicaIII that is much lighter
, fits in the pocket and has a wonderful viewfinder. It's also a bit of a
let down in image, well not exactly quality, but maybe a new term such as
image fidelity or credibility if one is expecting a non interpretive image.
I don't hate the images…actually I like many of them... but there are baked
in artifacts that I'll either have to learn to live with or will bias my
decision to sell the camera and wait until the sensor is improved. I really
wish it wasn't so as I don't want to go back to lugging around a 5D2 again
for a great many reasons.
color effect or smear effect"等. fuji版经常有人吐槽. 比如最近的这个长篇的:
I will apologize in advance for this post as I don't mean to be a contrarian
on a fan website but I feel obligated to voice one more opinion as that's
the purpose of the forum I guess.
From reading the thoroughness of some of the research here, it's evident to
me that many of the posters here are much more informed than I am from a
technical understanding (I do have an engineering degree focused on film and
video imaging but much has changed since the late '70's so I'll limit my
opinion to a gut or "feel" point of view.
After working with the X100S for a few months now and comparing it to the
images that were output from the X100 I previously owned I'll go on record
as saying that the camera has a very distinct signature that differs from
that camera or a 5D2. If one is accustomed to the look of traditional or
analogue photography as being the benchmark then this camera is somewhat off
…well maybe way off. To complicate things, it's very dependent on subject
matter.
The water color effect or smear effect is not imagined; it's very evident. I
've gone through all the Raw converters..Iridient, Adobe, Capture 1. It's my
opinion that it's unresolvable and must have to do with the inherent sensor
design, pixel allocation and debayering method. There is a very signature
look on out of focus highlights depending on background contrast, almost a
halation effect, and is most obvious as many have noted in detailed greens.
What has motivated me to write this is that the effect has been particularly
bothersome to me this morning in an image I was working on. It was taken
with a high shutter speed but the leaves look as if they are out of focus or
blowing. When the image is enlarged it's apparent that the leaves are in
focus but there is a blur around the edges...it's an artifact that I wish
wasn't there. I won't bore everyone by posting enlarged portions as so much
has been done to illustrate that already.
I've made my living for the past 30 years in motion picture cinematography
and we are going through the same developmental curve. I was one of the very
early advocates for digital as the pluses greatly outnumbered the minuses.
Different cameras have different artifacts baked in and the goal is to
anticipate the interpretation and sometimes use it to one's advantage. The
grail of course has been to match digital images with the photochemical
legacy that the audience and the DP's are accustomed to. To narrow that gap
we have had to adjust how we expose and move the camera and shoot and avoid
the pitfalls until the camera design resolves them.
I understand engineering tradeoffs and the xTrans has a few. I guess it's
marketed as a semi-pro camera and the designers decided that the image
personality wouldn't be noticed by or offend the core buyer to the point of
rejection. My problem is that I love the operational aspects of the camera
and yet I can, depending on subject mater, easily discern it's shortcomings.
My summation to prospective buyers is that the camera, like it's predecessor
, is a lovely piece of design, an ergonomic joy to work with and has a
wonderful interface and "feel". It's a digital LeicaIII that is much lighter
, fits in the pocket and has a wonderful viewfinder. It's also a bit of a
let down in image, well not exactly quality, but maybe a new term such as
image fidelity or credibility if one is expecting a non interpretive image.
I don't hate the images…actually I like many of them... but there are baked
in artifacts that I'll either have to learn to live with or will bias my
decision to sell the camera and wait until the sensor is improved. I really
wish it wasn't so as I don't want to go back to lugging around a 5D2 again
for a great many reasons.
w*g
11 楼
其实挺好的，我们都是和楼主说着玩的：）
【在 t******k 的大作中提到】
: Fuji不好么？我最近有点眼馋啊。。。
【在 t******k 的大作中提到】
: Fuji不好么？我最近有点眼馋啊。。。
l*8
12 楼
fuji好
T*i
13 楼
你说的是真的吗？这个比较可怕。不过直接用Jpeg怎么样？
water
的:
contrarian
to
and
【在 e**n 的大作中提到】
: fuji的问题主要是哪个X-Trans的sensor. 解raw很不好解. 比如会产生著名的"water
: color effect or smear effect"等. fuji版经常有人吐槽. 比如最近的这个长篇的:
: I will apologize in advance for this post as I don't mean to be a contrarian
: on a fan website but I feel obligated to voice one more opinion as that's
: the purpose of the forum I guess.
: From reading the thoroughness of some of the research here, it's evident to
: me that many of the posters here are much more informed than I am from a
: technical understanding (I do have an engineering degree focused on film and
: video imaging but much has changed since the late '70's so I'll limit my
: opinion to a gut or "feel" point of view.
water
的:
contrarian
to
and
【在 e**n 的大作中提到】
: fuji的问题主要是哪个X-Trans的sensor. 解raw很不好解. 比如会产生著名的"water
: color effect or smear effect"等. fuji版经常有人吐槽. 比如最近的这个长篇的:
: I will apologize in advance for this post as I don't mean to be a contrarian
: on a fan website but I feel obligated to voice one more opinion as that's
: the purpose of the forum I guess.
: From reading the thoroughness of some of the research here, it's evident to
: me that many of the posters here are much more informed than I am from a
: technical understanding (I do have an engineering degree focused on film and
: video imaging but much has changed since the late '70's so I'll limit my
: opinion to a gut or "feel" point of view.
T*i
14 楼
m43暂时还没法替代。
【在 f****d 的大作中提到】
: 真的不玩m43了？:)
【在 f****d 的大作中提到】
: 真的不玩m43了？:)
t*k
15 楼
额，你不说我还真不知道
【在 a*****t 的大作中提到】
: 虚标iso
【在 a*****t 的大作中提到】
: 虚标iso
t*k
16 楼
听说他家直出就已经很有胶片感了，还需要RAW做后期么？
water
的:
contrarian
to
and
【在 e**n 的大作中提到】
: fuji的问题主要是哪个X-Trans的sensor. 解raw很不好解. 比如会产生著名的"water
: color effect or smear effect"等. fuji版经常有人吐槽. 比如最近的这个长篇的:
: I will apologize in advance for this post as I don't mean to be a contrarian
: on a fan website but I feel obligated to voice one more opinion as that's
: the purpose of the forum I guess.
: From reading the thoroughness of some of the research here, it's evident to
: me that many of the posters here are much more informed than I am from a
: technical understanding (I do have an engineering degree focused on film and
: video imaging but much has changed since the late '70's so I'll limit my
: opinion to a gut or "feel" point of view.
water
的:
contrarian
to
and
【在 e**n 的大作中提到】
: fuji的问题主要是哪个X-Trans的sensor. 解raw很不好解. 比如会产生著名的"water
: color effect or smear effect"等. fuji版经常有人吐槽. 比如最近的这个长篇的:
: I will apologize in advance for this post as I don't mean to be a contrarian
: on a fan website but I feel obligated to voice one more opinion as that's
: the purpose of the forum I guess.
: From reading the thoroughness of some of the research here, it's evident to
: me that many of the posters here are much more informed than I am from a
: technical understanding (I do have an engineering degree focused on film and
: video imaging but much has changed since the late '70's so I'll limit my
: opinion to a gut or "feel" point of view.
t*k
17 楼
暴汗。。。
【在 w*********g 的大作中提到】
: 其实挺好的，我们都是和楼主说着玩的：）
【在 w*********g 的大作中提到】
: 其实挺好的，我们都是和楼主说着玩的：）
T*i
18 楼
想了下，还是等x200吧。虽然用自带的Silverpix解raw 很好，但我是个懒人，已经得
用司马自带的软件解DP1m拍的了，再加一个要单独一个软件解的，太烦人了。再说等了
很长时间，让我一腔热血冷却了。取消订单，买个二手X100，剩下的钱可以省下来请美
女们吃饭。
water
的:
contrarian
to
and
【在 e**n 的大作中提到】
: fuji的问题主要是哪个X-Trans的sensor. 解raw很不好解. 比如会产生著名的"water
: color effect or smear effect"等. fuji版经常有人吐槽. 比如最近的这个长篇的:
: I will apologize in advance for this post as I don't mean to be a contrarian
: on a fan website but I feel obligated to voice one more opinion as that's
: the purpose of the forum I guess.
: From reading the thoroughness of some of the research here, it's evident to
: me that many of the posters here are much more informed than I am from a
: technical understanding (I do have an engineering degree focused on film and
: video imaging but much has changed since the late '70's so I'll limit my
: opinion to a gut or "feel" point of view.
用司马自带的软件解DP1m拍的了，再加一个要单独一个软件解的，太烦人了。再说等了
很长时间，让我一腔热血冷却了。取消订单，买个二手X100，剩下的钱可以省下来请美
女们吃饭。
water
的:
contrarian
to
and
【在 e**n 的大作中提到】
: fuji的问题主要是哪个X-Trans的sensor. 解raw很不好解. 比如会产生著名的"water
: color effect or smear effect"等. fuji版经常有人吐槽. 比如最近的这个长篇的:
: I will apologize in advance for this post as I don't mean to be a contrarian
: on a fan website but I feel obligated to voice one more opinion as that's
: the purpose of the forum I guess.
: From reading the thoroughness of some of the research here, it's evident to
: me that many of the posters here are much more informed than I am from a
: technical understanding (I do have an engineering degree focused on film and
: video imaging but much has changed since the late '70's so I'll limit my
: opinion to a gut or "feel" point of view.
e*n
19 楼
jpg要好得多, 如果用raw的话, 除了watercolor effect外, 还有red color bleeding
effect, zipper-style effect等等.
有人总结的:
right now your choices are as follows:
in-camera jpegs - decent detail, some colour halos (especially reds),
excellent overall color
silkypix - good detail, good color detail, pretty poor overall color though.
And the interface is not very standard. Can be improved with creating
custom camera profiles (colorchecker SG+profilemaker, etc)
Adobe Camera Raw / Lightroom - pretty good overall color, so-so detail, lots
of color tearing artifacts
dcraw and derivatives (RPP, oleneo photo engine, etc) - pretty great overall
color (although needs post processing), excellent color detail, and pretty
bad zipper-style artefacts.
【在 T****i 的大作中提到】
: 你说的是真的吗？这个比较可怕。不过直接用Jpeg怎么样？
:
: water
: 的:
: contrarian
: to
: and
effect, zipper-style effect等等.
有人总结的:
right now your choices are as follows:
in-camera jpegs - decent detail, some colour halos (especially reds),
excellent overall color
silkypix - good detail, good color detail, pretty poor overall color though.
And the interface is not very standard. Can be improved with creating
custom camera profiles (colorchecker SG+profilemaker, etc)
Adobe Camera Raw / Lightroom - pretty good overall color, so-so detail, lots
of color tearing artifacts
dcraw and derivatives (RPP, oleneo photo engine, etc) - pretty great overall
color (although needs post processing), excellent color detail, and pretty
bad zipper-style artefacts.
【在 T****i 的大作中提到】
: 你说的是真的吗？这个比较可怕。不过直接用Jpeg怎么样？
:
: water
: 的:
: contrarian
: to
: and
e*n
20 楼
比如暗部提亮, 过暴往回拉之类的 8bit的怎么也赶不上12bit的信息多
【在 t******k 的大作中提到】
: 听说他家直出就已经很有胶片感了，还需要RAW做后期么？
:
: water
: 的:
: contrarian
: to
: and
【在 t******k 的大作中提到】
: 听说他家直出就已经很有胶片感了，还需要RAW做后期么？
:
: water
: 的:
: contrarian
: to
: and
e*n
21 楼
如果实在喜欢fuji, 可以看看新出的XA-1. 用的是普通bayer sensor
【在 T****i 的大作中提到】
: 想了下，还是等x200吧。虽然用自带的Silverpix解raw 很好，但我是个懒人，已经得
: 用司马自带的软件解DP1m拍的了，再加一个要单独一个软件解的，太烦人了。再说等了
: 很长时间，让我一腔热血冷却了。取消订单，买个二手X100，剩下的钱可以省下来请美
: 女们吃饭。
:
: water
: 的:
: contrarian
: to
: and
【在 T****i 的大作中提到】
: 想了下，还是等x200吧。虽然用自带的Silverpix解raw 很好，但我是个懒人，已经得
: 用司马自带的软件解DP1m拍的了，再加一个要单独一个软件解的，太烦人了。再说等了
: 很长时间，让我一腔热血冷却了。取消订单，买个二手X100，剩下的钱可以省下来请美
: 女们吃饭。
:
: water
: 的:
: contrarian
: to
: and
T*i
22 楼
XA1 不利于装13。也看不出比奥巴好哪去。
【在 e**n 的大作中提到】
: 如果实在喜欢fuji, 可以看看新出的XA-1. 用的是普通bayer sensor
【在 e**n 的大作中提到】
: 如果实在喜欢fuji, 可以看看新出的XA-1. 用的是普通bayer sensor
J*o
23 楼
装逼也是买x-pro1不是x-e1啊
l*4
24 楼
目前公认的是直出jpg比电脑上解raw优秀，因为目前没有啥软件能解好fuji raw。
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
【在 T****i 的大作中提到】
: 你说的是真的吗？这个比较可怕。不过直接用Jpeg怎么样？
:
: water
: 的:
: contrarian
: to
: and
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
【在 T****i 的大作中提到】
: 你说的是真的吗？这个比较可怕。不过直接用Jpeg怎么样？
:
: water
: 的:
: contrarian
: to
: and
T*i
25 楼
似乎直出也会有水彩效果，尤其对于树叶，尤其是红叶。我pass 了。
【在 l*****4 的大作中提到】
: 目前公认的是直出jpg比电脑上解raw优秀，因为目前没有啥软件能解好fuji raw。
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
【在 l*****4 的大作中提到】
: 目前公认的是直出jpg比电脑上解raw优秀，因为目前没有啥软件能解好fuji raw。
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
c*e
26 楼
好像好几个地儿有现货啊？
x-e1还行，跟x-pro1比小，轻，玩具感。但是性价比好，尤其有闪光灯。
【在 T****i 的大作中提到】
: 定了个X100S，等啊等，还没等到。再不来，都想上X-E1了。哪位用过，感觉如何，推
: 荐什么镜头？
x-e1还行，跟x-pro1比小，轻，玩具感。但是性价比好，尤其有闪光灯。
【在 T****i 的大作中提到】
: 定了个X100S，等啊等，还没等到。再不来，都想上X-E1了。哪位用过，感觉如何，推
: 荐什么镜头？
J*o
27 楼
oh yeah 大fuji不会被黑了…
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