h*m
2 楼
以ryanfun最欣赏的《一寸山河一寸血》为例,
片中,英勇的国军在蒋介石的领导下,海陆空三军浴血奋战14年,经过无数场大战恶战
,取得了抗战胜利,统计伤亡三百八十多万。
但是片中没有说的是,同期,中国的老百姓的伤亡是三千五百多万。
出现这种数字的原因可以用一件事例解释,
蒋介石在南京大屠杀前就跑到重庆了,打向国军的子弹,都让中国的老百姓挡住了。所
以,中国的抗日战争,中国的老百姓伤亡最大,是国军的十倍。
所以,《一寸山河一寸血》这部影片的主要目的是遮羞,而不是歌功颂德。
所以,ryanfun用精忠报国的岳飞比喻国军是不合适的,
就是用秦桧比喻国军都不合适,因为秦桧也才跑到临安啊。
真要比的话,我觉得蒋介石及国军更像吴三桂。
这才是一个成熟男人看电影的视角。
片中,英勇的国军在蒋介石的领导下,海陆空三军浴血奋战14年,经过无数场大战恶战
,取得了抗战胜利,统计伤亡三百八十多万。
但是片中没有说的是,同期,中国的老百姓的伤亡是三千五百多万。
出现这种数字的原因可以用一件事例解释,
蒋介石在南京大屠杀前就跑到重庆了,打向国军的子弹,都让中国的老百姓挡住了。所
以,中国的抗日战争,中国的老百姓伤亡最大,是国军的十倍。
所以,《一寸山河一寸血》这部影片的主要目的是遮羞,而不是歌功颂德。
所以,ryanfun用精忠报国的岳飞比喻国军是不合适的,
就是用秦桧比喻国军都不合适,因为秦桧也才跑到临安啊。
真要比的话,我觉得蒋介石及国军更像吴三桂。
这才是一个成熟男人看电影的视角。
Y*2
4 楼
蒋介石才不是吴三桂,要不是老蒋动用全国兵力物力抗日,他也不会败给共产党。要没
有老蒋,中国现在还不知道什么样子呢。
有老蒋,中国现在还不知道什么样子呢。
r*n
6 楼
好大一个坑,哈哈,应该挖在军事论坛。
精忠报国,是 里面的一个桥段,
记者采访97岁的薛岳,
薛岳颤抖着手写了4个字: 精忠报国
那也是他名字的来历。
精忠报国,是 里面的一个桥段,
记者采访97岁的薛岳,
薛岳颤抖着手写了4个字: 精忠报国
那也是他名字的来历。
n*n
7 楼
V600 吧
f*r
8 楼
凯申黑和凯申粉又要来雀斑打架了
【在 h********m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 以ryanfun最欣赏的《一寸山河一寸血》为例,
: 片中,英勇的国军在蒋介石的领导下,海陆空三军浴血奋战14年,经过无数场大战恶战
: ,取得了抗战胜利,统计伤亡三百八十多万。
: 但是片中没有说的是,同期,中国的老百姓的伤亡是三千五百多万。
: 出现这种数字的原因可以用一件事例解释,
: 蒋介石在南京大屠杀前就跑到重庆了,打向国军的子弹,都让中国的老百姓挡住了。所
: 以,中国的抗日战争,中国的老百姓伤亡最大,是国军的十倍。
: 所以,《一寸山河一寸血》这部影片的主要目的是遮羞,而不是歌功颂德。
: 所以,ryanfun用精忠报国的岳飞比喻国军是不合适的,
: 就是用秦桧比喻国军都不合适,因为秦桧也才跑到临安啊。
【在 h********m 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 以ryanfun最欣赏的《一寸山河一寸血》为例,
: 片中,英勇的国军在蒋介石的领导下,海陆空三军浴血奋战14年,经过无数场大战恶战
: ,取得了抗战胜利,统计伤亡三百八十多万。
: 但是片中没有说的是,同期,中国的老百姓的伤亡是三千五百多万。
: 出现这种数字的原因可以用一件事例解释,
: 蒋介石在南京大屠杀前就跑到重庆了,打向国军的子弹,都让中国的老百姓挡住了。所
: 以,中国的抗日战争,中国的老百姓伤亡最大,是国军的十倍。
: 所以,《一寸山河一寸血》这部影片的主要目的是遮羞,而不是歌功颂德。
: 所以,ryanfun用精忠报国的岳飞比喻国军是不合适的,
: 就是用秦桧比喻国军都不合适,因为秦桧也才跑到临安啊。
w*n
9 楼
哈哈
成熟男人这时候早抱着老婆孩子睡了.
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h*c
10 楼
你知道南京大屠杀的背景是什么,日本人为什么要搞这个?
h*m
11 楼
ryanfun是山东人,应该去查查山东的抗日历史。
查查1928年5月30日,查查蔡公时和蒋介石当时都在干什么。
。。。
当然,拿着中华人民共和国的护照,你也不用自卑和悲愤。
中华人民共和国,打过美帝,斗过苏修,灭过联合国,敲打过所有敢于叫板的强邻。
中华人民共和国就是中国历史上最硬的那块石头了。
“明犯强汉者,虽远必诛”并不比“玩火者必自焚”更强硬。
【在 h********m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 以ryanfun最欣赏的《一寸山河一寸血》为例,
: 片中,英勇的国军在蒋介石的领导下,海陆空三军浴血奋战14年,经过无数场大战恶战
: ,取得了抗战胜利,统计伤亡三百八十多万。
: 但是片中没有说的是,同期,中国的老百姓的伤亡是三千五百多万。
: 出现这种数字的原因可以用一件事例解释,
: 蒋介石在南京大屠杀前就跑到重庆了,打向国军的子弹,都让中国的老百姓挡住了。所
: 以,中国的抗日战争,中国的老百姓伤亡最大,是国军的十倍。
: 所以,《一寸山河一寸血》这部影片的主要目的是遮羞,而不是歌功颂德。
: 所以,ryanfun用精忠报国的岳飞比喻国军是不合适的,
: 就是用秦桧比喻国军都不合适,因为秦桧也才跑到临安啊。
查查1928年5月30日,查查蔡公时和蒋介石当时都在干什么。
。。。
当然,拿着中华人民共和国的护照,你也不用自卑和悲愤。
中华人民共和国,打过美帝,斗过苏修,灭过联合国,敲打过所有敢于叫板的强邻。
中华人民共和国就是中国历史上最硬的那块石头了。
“明犯强汉者,虽远必诛”并不比“玩火者必自焚”更强硬。
【在 h********m 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 以ryanfun最欣赏的《一寸山河一寸血》为例,
: 片中,英勇的国军在蒋介石的领导下,海陆空三军浴血奋战14年,经过无数场大战恶战
: ,取得了抗战胜利,统计伤亡三百八十多万。
: 但是片中没有说的是,同期,中国的老百姓的伤亡是三千五百多万。
: 出现这种数字的原因可以用一件事例解释,
: 蒋介石在南京大屠杀前就跑到重庆了,打向国军的子弹,都让中国的老百姓挡住了。所
: 以,中国的抗日战争,中国的老百姓伤亡最大,是国军的十倍。
: 所以,《一寸山河一寸血》这部影片的主要目的是遮羞,而不是歌功颂德。
: 所以,ryanfun用精忠报国的岳飞比喻国军是不合适的,
: 就是用秦桧比喻国军都不合适,因为秦桧也才跑到临安啊。
w*n
12 楼
多谈风月 少谈国事
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r*n
14 楼
哎吆,我只想说。
蒋介石的无能与卑鄙, 无法掩饰死去380万将士的爱国之心。
我谈电视剧呢,怎么成啦 国共论坛 啦。
我也没否定咱党啊。
蒋介石的无能与卑鄙, 无法掩饰死去380万将士的爱国之心。
我谈电视剧呢,怎么成啦 国共论坛 啦。
我也没否定咱党啊。
Y*2
15 楼
you really have to read history from different perspectives. not from one
perspective, put yourself into other people's shoes before judge.
If you can point out which battle exactly he lost,then I can tell you why
he lost it.
【在 h********m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 其实蒋介石还不如吴三桂,吴三桂好歹还打过几场大胜仗,蒋介石是每场大仗都大败。
: 这样的饭桶,用了三年而不是一年就败给共产党,已经是个奇迹了。
perspective, put yourself into other people's shoes before judge.
If you can point out which battle exactly he lost,then I can tell you why
he lost it.
【在 h********m 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 其实蒋介石还不如吴三桂,吴三桂好歹还打过几场大胜仗,蒋介石是每场大仗都大败。
: 这样的饭桶,用了三年而不是一年就败给共产党,已经是个奇迹了。
h*m
21 楼
你看的都是啥历史啊,贴出来让我开开眼行吗?
中共一直都在替蒋介石和国军遮羞美化的,毕竟把自己的对手写得那么不堪,自己也胜
得没什么面子。
【在 Y*****2 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: you really have to read history from different perspectives. not from one
: perspective, put yourself into other people's shoes before judge.
: If you can point out which battle exactly he lost,then I can tell you why
: he lost it.
中共一直都在替蒋介石和国军遮羞美化的,毕竟把自己的对手写得那么不堪,自己也胜
得没什么面子。
【在 Y*****2 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: you really have to read history from different perspectives. not from one
: perspective, put yourself into other people's shoes before judge.
: If you can point out which battle exactly he lost,then I can tell you why
: he lost it.
r*n
22 楼
关于历史,不在那个年代,不在那个位置上,根本无法体会真实。
所以有的人骂咱党,有的人骂国民党,
其实意义都不大,
作为中国人,
只要记住,
当时,
曾经有380万将士为国捐躯就够了,
无论谁对谁错,
根本没必要判定,
唯一必须肯定的,
就是那 一寸寸山河 还在。
所以有的人骂咱党,有的人骂国民党,
其实意义都不大,
作为中国人,
只要记住,
当时,
曾经有380万将士为国捐躯就够了,
无论谁对谁错,
根本没必要判定,
唯一必须肯定的,
就是那 一寸寸山河 还在。
r*n
28 楼
我是从来不反共的,
但也从来不认为 共产党 和 国民党就极端对立。
共产党能打,谁也没法否认,
但国民党不能打,不代表他们死去的士兵就不值得纪念。
可以用胜负去判定一个党,不能用胜负去判定一个士兵。
再说了,我说薛岳 精忠报国, 薛岳又不等于国民党。
这咋成了军事天地了。
但也从来不认为 共产党 和 国民党就极端对立。
共产党能打,谁也没法否认,
但国民党不能打,不代表他们死去的士兵就不值得纪念。
可以用胜负去判定一个党,不能用胜负去判定一个士兵。
再说了,我说薛岳 精忠报国, 薛岳又不等于国民党。
这咋成了军事天地了。
Y*2
37 楼
i have taken "Modern Chinese History" from late 1800 to 1949 in college, I
have read various of books on Chinese History from different western
historians and many newspaper articles from that period of time.Since those
authors were not involved with either Parties, I assume their point of
views are less biased.
and if you are interested, i am reading this book for pleasure currently.
http://www.amazon.com/Last-Empress-Madame-Chiang-Kai-shek/dp/14
I thought it would be a inspiring book as a biography but it turns out to be
a good history book as well, it talks about this history of Nationalist
Party and How Jiang Jieshi became what he became. After reading it you will
learn the different aspects of him and really respect him for what he has
done to protect his country with his full capacity.
【在 h********m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 你看的都是啥历史啊,贴出来让我开开眼行吗?
: 中共一直都在替蒋介石和国军遮羞美化的,毕竟把自己的对手写得那么不堪,自己也胜
: 得没什么面子。
have read various of books on Chinese History from different western
historians and many newspaper articles from that period of time.Since those
authors were not involved with either Parties, I assume their point of
views are less biased.
and if you are interested, i am reading this book for pleasure currently.
http://www.amazon.com/Last-Empress-Madame-Chiang-Kai-shek/dp/14
I thought it would be a inspiring book as a biography but it turns out to be
a good history book as well, it talks about this history of Nationalist
Party and How Jiang Jieshi became what he became. After reading it you will
learn the different aspects of him and really respect him for what he has
done to protect his country with his full capacity.
【在 h********m 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 你看的都是啥历史啊,贴出来让我开开眼行吗?
: 中共一直都在替蒋介石和国军遮羞美化的,毕竟把自己的对手写得那么不堪,自己也胜
: 得没什么面子。
h*m
40 楼
其实啊,写中国历史的,要能看懂文言文。
所以,没有一个外国人能写中国的历史。
those
be
will
【在 Y*****2 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: i have taken "Modern Chinese History" from late 1800 to 1949 in college, I
: have read various of books on Chinese History from different western
: historians and many newspaper articles from that period of time.Since those
: authors were not involved with either Parties, I assume their point of
: views are less biased.
: and if you are interested, i am reading this book for pleasure currently.
: http://www.amazon.com/Last-Empress-Madame-Chiang-Kai-shek/dp/14
: I thought it would be a inspiring book as a biography but it turns out to be
: a good history book as well, it talks about this history of Nationalist
: Party and How Jiang Jieshi became what he became. After reading it you will
所以,没有一个外国人能写中国的历史。
those
be
will
【在 Y*****2 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: i have taken "Modern Chinese History" from late 1800 to 1949 in college, I
: have read various of books on Chinese History from different western
: historians and many newspaper articles from that period of time.Since those
: authors were not involved with either Parties, I assume their point of
: views are less biased.
: and if you are interested, i am reading this book for pleasure currently.
: http://www.amazon.com/Last-Empress-Madame-Chiang-Kai-shek/dp/14
: I thought it would be a inspiring book as a biography but it turns out to be
: a good history book as well, it talks about this history of Nationalist
: Party and How Jiang Jieshi became what he became. After reading it you will
Y*2
45 楼
你以为他们不懂吗?我们学校的professor都懂的。
你别觉得自己是中国人,别人就不了解你,很多老外懂中国历史文化比你研究的都透彻。
反正,我觉得,人要open minded,看问题不能只看一面,如果你真喜欢历史,就不要坐
井观天。
sometimes when you walk outside of the box, you will see a whole new
world.
But i don't see any intention from you to make that happen.
So you will just still live in your own little world, be ignorant and
arrogant thinking you can tell who was right or wrong 100 years back.
Well guess what, dead people won't give a shit about what you think and
people who are living won't care about what you think. People will still
read the books that i have read and learn the history from the way i
learned
it.
you can just live with that.
【在 h********m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 其实啊,写中国历史的,要能看懂文言文。
: 所以,没有一个外国人能写中国的历史。
:
: those
: be
: will
你别觉得自己是中国人,别人就不了解你,很多老外懂中国历史文化比你研究的都透彻。
反正,我觉得,人要open minded,看问题不能只看一面,如果你真喜欢历史,就不要坐
井观天。
sometimes when you walk outside of the box, you will see a whole new
world.
But i don't see any intention from you to make that happen.
So you will just still live in your own little world, be ignorant and
arrogant thinking you can tell who was right or wrong 100 years back.
Well guess what, dead people won't give a shit about what you think and
people who are living won't care about what you think. People will still
read the books that i have read and learn the history from the way i
learned
it.
you can just live with that.
【在 h********m 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 其实啊,写中国历史的,要能看懂文言文。
: 所以,没有一个外国人能写中国的历史。
:
: those
: be
: will
h*m
48 楼
同学,有求知欲是好事。
但是,写历史要掌握第一手资料,看不懂文言文就掌握不了第一手资料。
中国人了解讲英语的国家多,而讲英语的国家了解中国人少,就是语言的原因。
就是日本、北韩、南朝鲜之流现在都不行,以前当中国属国的时候还行。
彻。
【在 Y*****2 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 你以为他们不懂吗?我们学校的professor都懂的。
: 你别觉得自己是中国人,别人就不了解你,很多老外懂中国历史文化比你研究的都透彻。
: 反正,我觉得,人要open minded,看问题不能只看一面,如果你真喜欢历史,就不要坐
: 井观天。
: sometimes when you walk outside of the box, you will see a whole new
: world.
: But i don't see any intention from you to make that happen.
: So you will just still live in your own little world, be ignorant and
: arrogant thinking you can tell who was right or wrong 100 years back.
: Well guess what, dead people won't give a shit about what you think and
但是,写历史要掌握第一手资料,看不懂文言文就掌握不了第一手资料。
中国人了解讲英语的国家多,而讲英语的国家了解中国人少,就是语言的原因。
就是日本、北韩、南朝鲜之流现在都不行,以前当中国属国的时候还行。
彻。
【在 Y*****2 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 你以为他们不懂吗?我们学校的professor都懂的。
: 你别觉得自己是中国人,别人就不了解你,很多老外懂中国历史文化比你研究的都透彻。
: 反正,我觉得,人要open minded,看问题不能只看一面,如果你真喜欢历史,就不要坐
: 井观天。
: sometimes when you walk outside of the box, you will see a whole new
: world.
: But i don't see any intention from you to make that happen.
: So you will just still live in your own little world, be ignorant and
: arrogant thinking you can tell who was right or wrong 100 years back.
: Well guess what, dead people won't give a shit about what you think and
Y*2
49 楼
and from my point of view, both 吴三桂 and 蒋介石 no matter what they have
done, were legendary figures in history and who made the history the way it
is, they made history. their names and stories are leave behind. unlike us,
bunch of losers who leave posts on this stupid internet site... and you
think you have the right to judge them?
i don't know how you feel about yourself, i feel like a loser compare to
them.
done, were legendary figures in history and who made the history the way it
is, they made history. their names and stories are leave behind. unlike us,
bunch of losers who leave posts on this stupid internet site... and you
think you have the right to judge them?
i don't know how you feel about yourself, i feel like a loser compare to
them.
Y*2
50 楼
我觉得你不懂英文,英文不好。
my argument in that post was not about history, it was about how you are not
in the position to judge... you are too closed minded, self-absorbed,
narcissistic...
please elaborate on that.
【在 h********m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 同学,有求知欲是好事。
: 但是,写历史要掌握第一手资料,看不懂文言文就掌握不了第一手资料。
: 中国人了解讲英语的国家多,而讲英语的国家了解中国人少,就是语言的原因。
: 就是日本、北韩、南朝鲜之流现在都不行,以前当中国属国的时候还行。
:
: 彻。
my argument in that post was not about history, it was about how you are not
in the position to judge... you are too closed minded, self-absorbed,
narcissistic...
please elaborate on that.
【在 h********m 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 同学,有求知欲是好事。
: 但是,写历史要掌握第一手资料,看不懂文言文就掌握不了第一手资料。
: 中国人了解讲英语的国家多,而讲英语的国家了解中国人少,就是语言的原因。
: 就是日本、北韩、南朝鲜之流现在都不行,以前当中国属国的时候还行。
:
: 彻。
h*m
52 楼
其实你们比我能扯,所以我只能用你们的帖子做反问。
我也真够无聊的。
我也真够无聊的。
f*r
53 楼
你有何证据说明:常校长娶美龄妹妹前,没来雀斑灌过水?
说买提是stupid internet site,偶要去老性那里告你!!!
think you have the right to judge them?
them.
【在 Y*****2 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 我觉得你不懂英文,英文不好。
: my argument in that post was not about history, it was about how you are not
: in the position to judge... you are too closed minded, self-absorbed,
: narcissistic...
: please elaborate on that.
说买提是stupid internet site,偶要去老性那里告你!!!
think you have the right to judge them?
them.
【在 Y*****2 的大作中提到】
![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png)
: 我觉得你不懂英文,英文不好。
: my argument in that post was not about history, it was about how you are not
: in the position to judge... you are too closed minded, self-absorbed,
: narcissistic...
: please elaborate on that.
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