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a*e2013-01-15 08:01

1 楼

Hello,
Thank you for your email. While the owner of a copy of a legitimately made
or obtained copyrighted work is generally authorized to sell or otherwise
dispose that copy as they see fit, software is treated differently.
Software is not sold, it is licensed. Someone who purchases a software
license is not the owner of a particular copy of the software – they are
the owner of a license to use that copy of the software. Because the
purchaser of a software license does not own a particular copy of the
software, that purchaser does not have the right to sell or otherwise
dispose of that copy as they see fit – the right to control the
distribution and sale of the software remain with the software licensor.
We control the distribution and sale of our software by only expressly
allowing Adobe authorized resellers to sell licenses of Adobe software to
end users, and by only allowing those authorized resellers to obtain the
Adobe software from Adobe authorized distributors.
At this time, we do not believe that your business is formally authorized to
sell/license our software. Again, if you believe we are in error, please
respond with 1) your Adobe partner information, including your legal company
name and address (all partners are required to only sell/license under
their formal legal name as registered with Adobe); and 2) where you obtained
the Adobe products you are offering.
Thank you,
Adobe Online Enforcement Team

p*t2013-01-15 08:01

2 楼

新年新起点，但依然是 slow and steady. 要有耐心哦。

t*u2013-01-15 08:01

3 楼

基本上是对的
能不能卖看各家的政策
ms的就随便卖

made

【在 a***e 的大作中提到】

: Hello,
: Thank you for your email. While the owner of a copy of a legitimately made
: or obtained copyrighted work is generally authorized to sell or otherwise
: dispose that copy as they see fit, software is treated differently.
: Software is not sold, it is licensed. Someone who purchases a software
: license is not the owner of a particular copy of the software – they are
: the owner of a license to use that copy of the software. Because the
: purchaser of a software license does not own a particular copy of the
: software, that purchaser does not have the right to sell or otherwise
: dispose of that copy as they see fit – the right to control the

c*e2013-01-15 08:01

4 楼

Bull. Next time I follow you.

a*e2013-01-15 08:01

5 楼

不对吧
软件买回来以后，你没有版权？

【在 t*********u 的大作中提到】

: 基本上是对的
: 能不能卖看各家的政策
: ms的就随便卖
:
: made

S*g2013-01-15 08:01

6 楼

我的帐号2013 year to date：
short term: -456803.45
long term: -456803.47
total: -913606.92，比去年同期赔的少
新年新起点，但依然是 slow and steady。

【在 p***t 的大作中提到】

: 新年新起点，但依然是 slow and steady. 要有耐心哦。

t*u2013-01-15 08:01

7 楼

没有所有权
只有使用权
如果有所有权，那你就应该拿到源代码

【在 a***e 的大作中提到】

: 不对吧
: 软件买回来以后，你没有版权？

g*72013-01-15 08:01

8 楼

恭喜lz
发个包子吧。

【在 p***t 的大作中提到】

: 新年新起点，但依然是 slow and steady. 要有耐心哦。

b*g2013-01-15 08:01

9 楼

零售版应该有转让权吧，微软当年输了官司时候是不是也是这么讲的，adobe故意这么
和你讲
吧，也不是法律依据。这个要搞定估计只有打官司了。

S*P2013-01-15 08:01

10 楼

等包子

a*e2013-01-15 08:01

11 楼

是那一个软件的版权，可以转让

【在 t*********u 的大作中提到】

: 没有所有权
: 只有使用权
: 如果有所有权，那你就应该拿到源代码

r*g2013-01-15 08:01

12 楼

没事，赔掉一点零花钱

【在 S*********g 的大作中提到】

: 我的帐号2013 year to date：
: short term: -456803.45
: long term: -456803.47
: total: -913606.92，比去年同期赔的少
: 新年新起点，但依然是 slow and steady。

t*u2013-01-15 08:01

13 楼

理论上使用权可以转让
但是公司不让你也没办法

【在 a***e 的大作中提到】

: 是那一个软件的版权，可以转让

r*d2013-01-15 08:01

14 楼

除了和adobe打官司，可以xxsl

a*e2013-01-15 08:01

15 楼

连那个海外的书都能卖，何况这个。
“first sale doctrine” 决定了可以卖。
你有微软的官司的link吗？

【在 b*******g 的大作中提到】

: 零售版应该有转让权吧，微软当年输了官司时候是不是也是这么讲的，adobe故意这么
: 和你讲
: 吧，也不是法律依据。这个要搞定估计只有打官司了。

b*g2013-01-15 08:01

16 楼

没有，只是有印象，忘了最后是撤诉还是败诉了。

【在 a***e 的大作中提到】

: 连那个海外的书都能卖，何况这个。
: “first sale doctrine” 决定了可以卖。
: 你有微软的官司的link吗？

t*u2013-01-15 08:01

17 楼

那直接说卖license送一个copy的software是不是就可以了

d*r2013-01-15 08:01

18 楼

别卖了。

a*e2013-01-15 08:01

19 楼

为啥？

【在 d*********r 的大作中提到】

: 别卖了。

d*y2013-01-15 08:01

20 楼

大神去搞定Adobe authorized resellers啊

t*o2013-01-15 08:01

21 楼

Amazon怎么说的呢？

made

【在 a***e 的大作中提到】

: Hello,
: Thank you for your email. While the owner of a copy of a legitimately made
: or obtained copyrighted work is generally authorized to sell or otherwise
: dispose that copy as they see fit, software is treated differently.
: Software is not sold, it is licensed. Someone who purchases a software
: license is not the owner of a particular copy of the software – they are
: the owner of a license to use that copy of the software. Because the
: purchaser of a software license does not own a particular copy of the
: software, that purchaser does not have the right to sell or otherwise
: dispose of that copy as they see fit – the right to control the

w*p2013-01-15 08:01

22 楼

For the first sale doctrine to apply, lawful "ownership" of the copy or
phonorecord is required. As §109(d) prescribes, first sale doctrine does
not apply if the possession of the copy is "by rental, lease, loan, or
otherwise without acquiring ownership of it."
Some software and digital content publishers claim in their end-user license
agreements (EULA) that their software or content is licensed, not sold, and
thus the first sale doctrine does not apply to their works. These
publishers have had some success in contracting around first sale doctrine
through various clickwrap, shrink wrap, and other license agreements.

【在 a***e 的大作中提到】

: 连那个海外的书都能卖，何况这个。
: “first sale doctrine” 决定了可以卖。
: 你有微软的官司的link吗？

c*e2013-01-15 08:01

23 楼

Adobe说的是霸王条款。
你说卖的给我是license，而不是software,那我卖的也是license，不是software.
adobe说的意思是我卖你的时候是卖license,而到你转卖的时候就变成了你卖software
了。真要打官司adobe虽然是大公司，未必能赢。

x*12013-01-15 08:01

24 楼

patpat, how many LR5 u bought, hehe.

【在 a***e 的大作中提到】

: 为啥？

B*l2013-01-15 08:01

25 楼

adobe也不让卖了，彻底xxsl

r*d2013-01-15 08:01

26 楼

能付的起跟adobe打官司律师费的人，估计也不会在马鬃上卖cs了

software

【在 c****e 的大作中提到】

: Adobe说的是霸王条款。
: 你说卖的给我是license，而不是software,那我卖的也是license，不是software.
: adobe说的意思是我卖你的时候是卖license,而到你转卖的时候就变成了你卖software
: 了。真要打官司adobe虽然是大公司，未必能赢。

l*t2013-01-15 08:01

27 楼

所以，resell的话就是resell license
why not?

【在 t*********u 的大作中提到】

: 没有所有权
: 只有使用权
: 如果有所有权，那你就应该拿到源代码

a*e2013-01-15 08:01

28 楼

Hello,
Thank you for your email. While the owner of a copy of a legitimately made
or obtained copyrighted work is generally authorized to sell or otherwise
dispose that copy as they see fit, software is treated differently.
Software is not sold, it is licensed. Someone who purchases a software
license is not the owner of a particular copy of the software – they are
the owner of a license to use that copy of the software. Because the
purchaser of a software license does not own a particular copy of the
software, that purchaser does not have the right to sell or otherwise
dispose of that copy as they see fit – the right to control the
distribution and sale of the software remain with the software licensor.
We control the distribution and sale of our software by only expressly
allowing Adobe authorized resellers to sell licenses of Adobe software to
end users, and by only allowing those authorized resellers to obtain the
Adobe software from Adobe authorized distributors.
At this time, we do not believe that your business is formally authorized to
sell/license our software. Again, if you believe we are in error, please
respond with 1) your Adobe partner information, including your legal company
name and address (all partners are required to only sell/license under
their formal legal name as registered with Adobe); and 2) where you obtained
the Adobe products you are offering.
Thank you,
Adobe Online Enforcement Team

t*u2013-01-15 08:01

29 楼

基本上是对的
能不能卖看各家的政策
ms的就随便卖

made

【在 a***e 的大作中提到】

: Hello,
: Thank you for your email. While the owner of a copy of a legitimately made
: or obtained copyrighted work is generally authorized to sell or otherwise
: dispose that copy as they see fit, software is treated differently.
: Software is not sold, it is licensed. Someone who purchases a software
: license is not the owner of a particular copy of the software – they are
: the owner of a license to use that copy of the software. Because the
: purchaser of a software license does not own a particular copy of the
: software, that purchaser does not have the right to sell or otherwise
: dispose of that copy as they see fit – the right to control the

a*e2013-01-15 08:01

30 楼

不对吧
软件买回来以后，你没有版权？

【在 t*********u 的大作中提到】

: 基本上是对的
: 能不能卖看各家的政策
: ms的就随便卖
:
: made

t*u2013-01-15 08:01

31 楼

没有所有权
只有使用权
如果有所有权，那你就应该拿到源代码

【在 a***e 的大作中提到】

: 不对吧
: 软件买回来以后，你没有版权？

b*g2013-01-15 08:01

32 楼

零售版应该有转让权吧，微软当年输了官司时候是不是也是这么讲的，adobe故意这么
和你讲
吧，也不是法律依据。这个要搞定估计只有打官司了。

a*e2013-01-15 08:01

33 楼

是那一个软件的版权，可以转让

【在 t*********u 的大作中提到】

: 没有所有权
: 只有使用权
: 如果有所有权，那你就应该拿到源代码

t*u2013-01-15 08:01

34 楼

理论上使用权可以转让
但是公司不让你也没办法

【在 a***e 的大作中提到】

: 是那一个软件的版权，可以转让

r*d2013-01-15 08:01

35 楼

除了和adobe打官司，可以xxsl

a*e2013-01-15 08:01

36 楼

连那个海外的书都能卖，何况这个。
“first sale doctrine” 决定了可以卖。
你有微软的官司的link吗？

【在 b*******g 的大作中提到】

: 零售版应该有转让权吧，微软当年输了官司时候是不是也是这么讲的，adobe故意这么
: 和你讲
: 吧，也不是法律依据。这个要搞定估计只有打官司了。

b*g2013-01-15 08:01

37 楼

没有，只是有印象，忘了最后是撤诉还是败诉了。

【在 a***e 的大作中提到】

: 连那个海外的书都能卖，何况这个。
: “first sale doctrine” 决定了可以卖。
: 你有微软的官司的link吗？

t*u2013-01-15 08:01

38 楼

那直接说卖license送一个copy的software是不是就可以了

d*r2013-01-15 08:01

39 楼

别卖了。

a*e2013-01-15 08:01

40 楼

为啥？

【在 d*********r 的大作中提到】

: 别卖了。

t*o2013-01-15 08:01

41 楼

Amazon怎么说的呢？

made

【在 a***e 的大作中提到】

: Hello,
: Thank you for your email. While the owner of a copy of a legitimately made
: or obtained copyrighted work is generally authorized to sell or otherwise
: dispose that copy as they see fit, software is treated differently.
: Software is not sold, it is licensed. Someone who purchases a software
: license is not the owner of a particular copy of the software – they are
: the owner of a license to use that copy of the software. Because the
: purchaser of a software license does not own a particular copy of the
: software, that purchaser does not have the right to sell or otherwise
: dispose of that copy as they see fit – the right to control the

w*p2013-01-15 08:01

42 楼

For the first sale doctrine to apply, lawful "ownership" of the copy or
phonorecord is required. As §109(d) prescribes, first sale doctrine does
not apply if the possession of the copy is "by rental, lease, loan, or
otherwise without acquiring ownership of it."
Some software and digital content publishers claim in their end-user license
agreements (EULA) that their software or content is licensed, not sold, and
thus the first sale doctrine does not apply to their works. These
publishers have had some success in contracting around first sale doctrine
through various clickwrap, shrink wrap, and other license agreements.

【在 a***e 的大作中提到】

: 连那个海外的书都能卖，何况这个。
: “first sale doctrine” 决定了可以卖。
: 你有微软的官司的link吗？

c*e2013-01-15 08:01

43 楼

Adobe说的是霸王条款。
你说卖的给我是license，而不是software,那我卖的也是license，不是software.
adobe说的意思是我卖你的时候是卖license,而到你转卖的时候就变成了你卖software
了。真要打官司adobe虽然是大公司，未必能赢。

x*12013-01-15 08:01

44 楼

patpat, how many LR5 u bought, hehe.

【在 a***e 的大作中提到】

: 为啥？

B*l2013-01-15 08:01

45 楼

adobe也不让卖了，彻底xxsl

r*d2013-01-15 08:01

46 楼

能付的起跟adobe打官司律师费的人，估计也不会在马鬃上卖cs了

software

【在 c****e 的大作中提到】

: Adobe说的是霸王条款。
: 你说卖的给我是license，而不是software,那我卖的也是license，不是software.
: adobe说的意思是我卖你的时候是卖license,而到你转卖的时候就变成了你卖software
: 了。真要打官司adobe虽然是大公司，未必能赢。

l*t2013-01-15 08:01

47 楼

所以，resell的话就是resell license
why not?

【在 t*********u 的大作中提到】

: 没有所有权
: 只有使用权
: 如果有所有权，那你就应该拿到源代码

a*e2013-01-15 08:01

48 楼

奸商们，没解吗？

made

【在 a***e 的大作中提到】

: Hello,
: Thank you for your email. While the owner of a copy of a legitimately made
: or obtained copyrighted work is generally authorized to sell or otherwise
: dispose that copy as they see fit, software is treated differently.
: Software is not sold, it is licensed. Someone who purchases a software
: license is not the owner of a particular copy of the software – they are
: the owner of a license to use that copy of the software. Because the
: purchaser of a software license does not own a particular copy of the
: software, that purchaser does not have the right to sell or otherwise
: dispose of that copy as they see fit – the right to control the

a*e2013-01-15 08:01

49 楼

The U.S. Copyright Office stated that "[t]he tangible nature of a copy is a
defining element of the first-sale doctrine and critical to its rationale."
However, in Europe, the European Court of Justice ruled on July 3, 2012,
that it is indeed permissible to resell software licenses even if the
digital good has been downloaded directly from the Internet, and that the
first-sale doctrine applied whenever software was originally sold to a
customer for an unlimited amount of time, as such sale involves a transfer
of ownership, thus prohibiting any software maker from preventing the resale
of their software by any of their legitimate owner.

made

【在 a***e 的大作中提到】

: Hello,
: Thank you for your email. While the owner of a copy of a legitimately made
: or obtained copyrighted work is generally authorized to sell or otherwise
: dispose that copy as they see fit, software is treated differently.
: Software is not sold, it is licensed. Someone who purchases a software
: license is not the owner of a particular copy of the software – they are
: the owner of a license to use that copy of the software. Because the
: purchaser of a software license does not own a particular copy of the
: software, that purchaser does not have the right to sell or otherwise
: dispose of that copy as they see fit – the right to control the

r*32013-01-15 08:01

50 楼

奸商啊，太坏了

a*e2013-01-15 08:01

51 楼

adobe回信了：
in citing First Sale (in your note below), you should have understood that
software is legally excluded from coverage by First Sale because it is
LICENSED and not Sold. This has been repeatedly confirmed by the US Courts,
including in the Vernor vs Autodesk case and associated court decision.
While you might have acquired these items from retailers, you have no right
to act as an Authorized Adobe Partner / reseller and “license” the
software to consumers.
Also, this is the USA. The decision of the EU court system has no
application here.
Sorry, but you have no right and therefore no ability to act as an
authorized reseller of Adobe products.

【在 r*****3 的大作中提到】

: 奸商啊，太坏了

S*z2013-01-15 08:01

52 楼

LZ, you should give up.
Some one ever filed motion against Adobe, finally he lost the case.
Check the software license before attempting to resell any software online.
Some software companies allow their licensees to resell their software under
certain conditions. If you don’t check the license and comply with any
conditions for resale , you may find yourself at the wrong end of an SIIA
enforcement action.

a*e2013-01-15 08:01

53 楼

如果需要厂家再提供服务的，需要renew的是license；像现在adobe的cloud服务。
但现在的adobe软件根本就是直接装机，永远有效的啊。这个根本不是license啊。

.
under

【在 S*****z 的大作中提到】

: LZ, you should give up.
: Some one ever filed motion against Adobe, finally he lost the case.
: Check the software license before attempting to resell any software online.
: Some software companies allow their licensees to resell their software under
: certain conditions. If you don’t check the license and comply with any
: conditions for resale , you may find yourself at the wrong end of an SIIA
: enforcement action.

S*z2013-01-15 08:01

54 楼

The first sale doctrine only applies where there is a first sale .not where
the software is licensed.

【在 a***e 的大作中提到】

: 连那个海外的书都能卖，何况这个。
: “first sale doctrine” 决定了可以卖。
: 你有微软的官司的link吗？

S*z2013-01-15 08:01

55 楼

你可以咨询律师，但我劝你放弃。

【在 a***e 的大作中提到】

: 如果需要厂家再提供服务的，需要renew的是license；像现在adobe的cloud服务。
: 但现在的adobe软件根本就是直接装机，永远有效的啊。这个根本不是license啊。
:
: .
: under

a*e2013-01-15 08:01

56 楼

he U.S. Copyright Office stated that "the tangible nature of a copy is a
defining element of the first-sale doctrine and critical to its rationale."
现在的adobe软件是tangible的啊。

【在 S*****z 的大作中提到】

: 你可以咨询律师，但我劝你放弃。

l*72013-01-15 08:01

57 楼

和他吵架没意义，直接继续卖

a*e2013-01-15 08:01

58 楼

到处不让啊
5555555555

【在 l********7 的大作中提到】

: 和他吵架没意义，直接继续卖

g*y2013-01-15 08:01

59 楼

活神手上还有多少adobe啊？

【在 a***e 的大作中提到】

: 到处不让啊
: 5555555555