nobody bought JRJC?# Stock
m*e
1 楼
http://www.healthystuff.org/departments/childrens-products/prod
反正不太好，材料问题。安全估计不错。
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器
反正不太好，材料问题。安全估计不错。
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器
p*t
2 楼
any comments?
m*e
3 楼
http://www.healthystuff.org/departments/childrens-products/prod
这个link更全
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器
【在 m****e 的大作中提到】
: http://www.healthystuff.org/departments/childrens-products/prod
: 反正不太好，材料问题。安全估计不错。
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器
这个link更全
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器
【在 m****e 的大作中提到】
: http://www.healthystuff.org/departments/childrens-products/prod
: 反正不太好，材料问题。安全估计不错。
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器
R*o
4 楼
盘子太小，新手别碰
技术根本没用，走势完全可以做出来
【在 p*t 的大作中提到】
: any comments?
技术根本没用，走势完全可以做出来
【在 p*t 的大作中提到】
: any comments?
p*2
5 楼
不吃也不行吗？
B*i
6 楼
各个牌子都在list上啊，还能买哪家呢？
l*o
7 楼
刚搬回来个不累娃70。。。退啦？
az
8 楼
还有啥安全能买的不？？
【在 m****e 的大作中提到】
: http://www.healthystuff.org/departments/childrens-products/prod
: 这个link更全
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器
【在 m****e 的大作中提到】
: http://www.healthystuff.org/departments/childrens-products/prod
: 这个link更全
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器
m*r
9 楼
B safe 不在上面
m*8
10 楼
要看型号，britax那个infant的就在best里面。convertible就几个马拉松不好，不累
娃没列在上面呢。
娃没列在上面呢。
m*8
11 楼
标题党啊标题党。 明明britax有很多是ok甚至是低毒性的。关键是型号、生产年份。
az
12 楼
有害程度都在med的，布雷娃，advocate，和frontier，而且通常降价的onyx最不好，
看来不无道理啊。。。
懂化学的能给分析一下吗？比如说这个advocate的报告
http://www.healthystuff.org/departments/childrens-products/prod
Bromine这么多什么意思啊，溴是什么啊？如果放在空气里敞一敞能好点不？
Lead那点点不要紧吧
我更加困惑了。。。
感觉就是材料的问题啊。。。同一个座椅，确实材料差别，价钱差别很大的啊，我买的
马拉松其实材料就像布一样，布雷娃就很不同啊
【在 m*******8 的大作中提到】
: 要看型号，britax那个infant的就在best里面。convertible就几个马拉松不好，不累
: 娃没列在上面呢。
看来不无道理啊。。。
懂化学的能给分析一下吗？比如说这个advocate的报告
http://www.healthystuff.org/departments/childrens-products/prod
Bromine这么多什么意思啊，溴是什么啊？如果放在空气里敞一敞能好点不？
Lead那点点不要紧吧
我更加困惑了。。。
感觉就是材料的问题啊。。。同一个座椅，确实材料差别，价钱差别很大的啊，我买的
马拉松其实材料就像布一样，布雷娃就很不同啊
【在 m*******8 的大作中提到】
: 要看型号，britax那个infant的就在best里面。convertible就几个马拉松不好，不累
: 娃没列在上面呢。
az
13 楼
不在上面是没试验吧。。。
【在 m********r 的大作中提到】
: B safe 不在上面
【在 m********r 的大作中提到】
: B safe 不在上面
J*i
14 楼
Called Britax today after reading this post and did some quick and dirty
google search online on the related issues.
Here is a letter I got from Britax.
October 4, 2011
We want you to be assured that our child seats are safe. Child restraints
are the most effective means of reducing fatalities and injuries to children
. Car seats save more lives than any other children’s products.
The recent research study conducted by the non-profit Ecology Center at
HealthyStuff.org reports chemical levels found in car seats. However, they
did not conduct studies to determine if the chemicals of concern will
migrate or dissipate from the product, causing a direct exposure. They also
cannot determine whether the presence of these chemicals in a product
results in human exposure, nor can they estimate the health risk posed by
any of these chemicals they detected.
Several years ago, Britax created a guideline for component suppliers which
enforced the reduction of the elements bromine and chlorine in components
used on our products that directly contact the child; this has been
especially challenging for some components which still must meet the flame
retardant requirements defined in government and regulatory standards, but
we have continually investigated ways to eliminate any chemical that is not
required to meet all safety regulations that are an important aspect of our
industry, and quite often we exceed the current requirements for such
regulations.
After reviewing the details of the HealthyStuff.org report related to our
products, Britax conducted an internal audit of all of our car seat
components using XRF testing equipment similar to what was used by the
Ecology Center. The results of that audit showed that there are some
detectable levels of the elements bromine and chlorine in several cover
components and in some of the soft foam components used in our products.
This audit also showed that the vast majority of the car seat components
that directly contact the child showed no detectable levels of bromine and
chlorine. The detectable levels of bromine and chlorine were mainly
discovered in the covers’ filling materials and in the non-woven backing
materials that are both inaccessible and not in direct skin contact with the
child. However, due to the uncontrolled nature of the XRF testing process
the source of the detected elements cannot always be determined accurately,
as was the case in many of the results posted by HealthyStuff.org.
Please be assured that Britax is in compliance with all current and pending
regulations regarding our products. Bromine and chlorine as detected by XRF
scanning does not necessarily indicate that there is harmful bromine or
chlorine levels in the product, as confirmed by the Ecology Center in the
report. XRF scanning may only indicate that there is detectable bromine or
chlorine in the component being scanned. Britax does not and has not used
any halogenated flame retardant chemicals that have been banned from being
used or produced.
In order to continually stay ahead of any impending regulations on these
types of chemicals, Britax has recently created a new chemical compliance
specification that expands the focus of reducing and/or eliminating the
usage of all chemicals containing bromine or chlorine to all components, not
just those that are in close or direct contact with children. This new
specification has several technical challenges but we fully expect that all
suppliers will be compliant by the end of 2012.
BRITAX Child Safety, Inc. continually strives to provide the safest children
’s products both from a dynamic performance standard and in protecting
child occupants and care givers from exposure to any potentially harmful
chemicals and substances contained in all of the components and finishes on
our products.
google search online on the related issues.
Here is a letter I got from Britax.
October 4, 2011
We want you to be assured that our child seats are safe. Child restraints
are the most effective means of reducing fatalities and injuries to children
. Car seats save more lives than any other children’s products.
The recent research study conducted by the non-profit Ecology Center at
HealthyStuff.org reports chemical levels found in car seats. However, they
did not conduct studies to determine if the chemicals of concern will
migrate or dissipate from the product, causing a direct exposure. They also
cannot determine whether the presence of these chemicals in a product
results in human exposure, nor can they estimate the health risk posed by
any of these chemicals they detected.
Several years ago, Britax created a guideline for component suppliers which
enforced the reduction of the elements bromine and chlorine in components
used on our products that directly contact the child; this has been
especially challenging for some components which still must meet the flame
retardant requirements defined in government and regulatory standards, but
we have continually investigated ways to eliminate any chemical that is not
required to meet all safety regulations that are an important aspect of our
industry, and quite often we exceed the current requirements for such
regulations.
After reviewing the details of the HealthyStuff.org report related to our
products, Britax conducted an internal audit of all of our car seat
components using XRF testing equipment similar to what was used by the
Ecology Center. The results of that audit showed that there are some
detectable levels of the elements bromine and chlorine in several cover
components and in some of the soft foam components used in our products.
This audit also showed that the vast majority of the car seat components
that directly contact the child showed no detectable levels of bromine and
chlorine. The detectable levels of bromine and chlorine were mainly
discovered in the covers’ filling materials and in the non-woven backing
materials that are both inaccessible and not in direct skin contact with the
child. However, due to the uncontrolled nature of the XRF testing process
the source of the detected elements cannot always be determined accurately,
as was the case in many of the results posted by HealthyStuff.org.
Please be assured that Britax is in compliance with all current and pending
regulations regarding our products. Bromine and chlorine as detected by XRF
scanning does not necessarily indicate that there is harmful bromine or
chlorine levels in the product, as confirmed by the Ecology Center in the
report. XRF scanning may only indicate that there is detectable bromine or
chlorine in the component being scanned. Britax does not and has not used
any halogenated flame retardant chemicals that have been banned from being
used or produced.
In order to continually stay ahead of any impending regulations on these
types of chemicals, Britax has recently created a new chemical compliance
specification that expands the focus of reducing and/or eliminating the
usage of all chemicals containing bromine or chlorine to all components, not
just those that are in close or direct contact with children. This new
specification has several technical challenges but we fully expect that all
suppliers will be compliant by the end of 2012.
BRITAX Child Safety, Inc. continually strives to provide the safest children
’s products both from a dynamic performance standard and in protecting
child occupants and care givers from exposure to any potentially harmful
chemicals and substances contained in all of the components and finishes on
our products.
az
15 楼
看具体的报告吧，第二个链接，Britax最少也是med的毒性，真的假的啊，不过似乎没
几个Low的，都有毒啊。。。娘啊，毒着毒着就习惯啦？？
【在 m*****8 的大作中提到】
: 标题党啊标题党。 明明britax有很多是ok甚至是低毒性的。关键是型号、生产年份。
几个Low的，都有毒啊。。。娘啊，毒着毒着就习惯啦？？
【在 m*****8 的大作中提到】
: 标题党啊标题党。 明明britax有很多是ok甚至是低毒性的。关键是型号、生产年份。
h*e
16 楼
什么都有毒，还让不让人活啊？昨天刚买了不累娃。
m*8
17 楼
我家那个不累娃的2011款奶牛纹的不在上面呢，忐忑。。。不过这毒性也比新车刚买回
来开的毒性小多了吧，平时多注意好了，夏天的时候能停车库停车库，没车库抱回家不
要在阳光下暴晒，让有毒成分挥发不出来，尽量减少毒性。
【在 az 的大作中提到】
: 看具体的报告吧，第二个链接，Britax最少也是med的毒性，真的假的啊，不过似乎没
: 几个Low的，都有毒啊。。。娘啊，毒着毒着就习惯啦？？
来开的毒性小多了吧，平时多注意好了，夏天的时候能停车库停车库，没车库抱回家不
要在阳光下暴晒，让有毒成分挥发不出来，尽量减少毒性。
【在 az 的大作中提到】
: 看具体的报告吧，第二个链接，Britax最少也是med的毒性，真的假的啊，不过似乎没
: 几个Low的，都有毒啊。。。娘啊，毒着毒着就习惯啦？？
az
18 楼
总结啊
children
【在 J*****i 的大作中提到】
: Called Britax today after reading this post and did some quick and dirty
: google search online on the related issues.
: Here is a letter I got from Britax.
: October 4, 2011
: We want you to be assured that our child seats are safe. Child restraints
: are the most effective means of reducing fatalities and injuries to children
: . Car seats save more lives than any other children’s products.
: The recent research study conducted by the non-profit Ecology Center at
: HealthyStuff.org reports chemical levels found in car seats. However, they
: did not conduct studies to determine if the chemicals of concern will
children
【在 J*****i 的大作中提到】
: Called Britax today after reading this post and did some quick and dirty
: google search online on the related issues.
: Here is a letter I got from Britax.
: October 4, 2011
: We want you to be assured that our child seats are safe. Child restraints
: are the most effective means of reducing fatalities and injuries to children
: . Car seats save more lives than any other children’s products.
: The recent research study conducted by the non-profit Ecology Center at
: HealthyStuff.org reports chemical levels found in car seats. However, they
: did not conduct studies to determine if the chemicals of concern will
k*n
19 楼
除非娃坐在里面包着那个clip啃阿啃,基本上还需要咬下来,咽下去才会真的毒性发挥吧
而且那个溴,肯定不是自由价的,是在化合物里面的,不会出来的
http://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/bromine/basics/facts.asp
【在 az 的大作中提到】
: 有害程度都在med的，布雷娃，advocate，和frontier，而且通常降价的onyx最不好，
: 看来不无道理啊。。。
: 懂化学的能给分析一下吗？比如说这个advocate的报告
: http://www.healthystuff.org/departments/childrens-products/prod
: Bromine这么多什么意思啊，溴是什么啊？如果放在空气里敞一敞能好点不？
: Lead那点点不要紧吧
: 我更加困惑了。。。
: 感觉就是材料的问题啊。。。同一个座椅，确实材料差别，价钱差别很大的啊，我买的
: 马拉松其实材料就像布一样，布雷娃就很不同啊
而且那个溴,肯定不是自由价的,是在化合物里面的,不会出来的
http://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/bromine/basics/facts.asp
【在 az 的大作中提到】
: 有害程度都在med的，布雷娃，advocate，和frontier，而且通常降价的onyx最不好，
: 看来不无道理啊。。。
: 懂化学的能给分析一下吗？比如说这个advocate的报告
: http://www.healthystuff.org/departments/childrens-products/prod
: Bromine这么多什么意思啊，溴是什么啊？如果放在空气里敞一敞能好点不？
: Lead那点点不要紧吧
: 我更加困惑了。。。
: 感觉就是材料的问题啊。。。同一个座椅，确实材料差别，价钱差别很大的啊，我买的
: 马拉松其实材料就像布一样，布雷娃就很不同啊
J*i
20 楼
And here is what (two) customer service representatives told me:
• All the models contains the same amount of Bromine and Chlorine.
Britax was not sure why some color of the same model was listed as “high”
while some as “med” on the report. (So the report itself is not accurate.)
. My interpretation: for the same model, no color/design is safer than the
others.
• Britax is continuing address this issue and looking for
replacement materials of Bromine and Chlorine. It promise to take care of
the issue completely by end of 2012. I asked if 2012 version currently on
the market is better than the 2011 version in terms of materials used. One
of agent said NO, they are exactly the same.
Just bought an Advocate yesterday, which has been shipped by Amazon. I’m
not sure what I am going to do with it at this point of time. Some people
say that there are a lot of potentially harmful things around the house
anyway (crib, for example), so why freak out? As a mom-to-be, I just don’t
know if I can let it slip through without doing anything about it if I have
knowledge of it.
Want to pick the brains of other moms on this board. What do you think?
• All the models contains the same amount of Bromine and Chlorine.
Britax was not sure why some color of the same model was listed as “high”
while some as “med” on the report. (So the report itself is not accurate.)
. My interpretation: for the same model, no color/design is safer than the
others.
• Britax is continuing address this issue and looking for
replacement materials of Bromine and Chlorine. It promise to take care of
the issue completely by end of 2012. I asked if 2012 version currently on
the market is better than the 2011 version in terms of materials used. One
of agent said NO, they are exactly the same.
Just bought an Advocate yesterday, which has been shipped by Amazon. I’m
not sure what I am going to do with it at this point of time. Some people
say that there are a lot of potentially harmful things around the house
anyway (crib, for example), so why freak out? As a mom-to-be, I just don’t
know if I can let it slip through without doing anything about it if I have
knowledge of it.
Want to pick the brains of other moms on this board. What do you think?
A*k
21 楼
坑人啊，刚刚买了不累娃！！
f*y
22 楼
不买这个买啥啊？我还真没研究过其他的呢。。。
J*i
23 楼
rry it is faster for me to type English at work.
Here is my maybe biased understanding:
Yes, to meet the flame retardant requirements of the government, Britax uses
some potentially harmful materials in its car seat. Some other manufactures
use components that’s safer.
Per Britax, most of the parts contain the components in questions has little
or no direct contact with the baby’s skin. And Britax believes that one
need to consume it to be affected (Eg. if the baby bites it).
Exposure to the sun will release the harmful materials from the car seat. So
try to cover the car seat from the sun if possible.
Britax is working on it, but at this point of time no improvements have been
made since the report was released.
I have not touched Chemistry ever since my graduation from high school. So
my understanding is super superficial.
Here is my maybe biased understanding:
Yes, to meet the flame retardant requirements of the government, Britax uses
some potentially harmful materials in its car seat. Some other manufactures
use components that’s safer.
Per Britax, most of the parts contain the components in questions has little
or no direct contact with the baby’s skin. And Britax believes that one
need to consume it to be affected (Eg. if the baby bites it).
Exposure to the sun will release the harmful materials from the car seat. So
try to cover the car seat from the sun if possible.
Britax is working on it, but at this point of time no improvements have been
made since the report was released.
I have not touched Chemistry ever since my graduation from high school. So
my understanding is super superficial.
x*i
24 楼
1。 车坐椅对儿童安全非常重要
2。 溴和氯主要发现在后背的泡沫垫子，还有椅子下面的不直接接触的垫子里。含有不
代表会直接接触到。（有点狡辩）
3。 抽查的产品里有不代表所有的产品里都有。（有点狡辩）
4。 同时做到不易燃处理和不加化学物质很难，没有用禁掉的不易燃化学品
5。 现有的标准都达到了，以后会好好改进
【在 az 的大作中提到】
: 总结啊
:
: children
2。 溴和氯主要发现在后背的泡沫垫子，还有椅子下面的不直接接触的垫子里。含有不
代表会直接接触到。（有点狡辩）
3。 抽查的产品里有不代表所有的产品里都有。（有点狡辩）
4。 同时做到不易燃处理和不加化学物质很难，没有用禁掉的不易燃化学品
5。 现有的标准都达到了，以后会好好改进
【在 az 的大作中提到】
: 总结啊
:
: children
t*3
25 楼
完了,我家是马拉松,是不是不让娃吃到就没事? 话说我们家娃基本不坐车出门....
l*f
26 楼
这里的溴跟氯是溴化氯化阻燃剂里面的，briminated or chlorinated flame
retardant ，美国一些州比如加州对一些家用用品有的规定要添加这个来防火，但是后
来环境分析发现这种东西有一定毒性，不易降解，可以在人体与环境里accumulate, 所
以环保机构在尽力推动要放弃阻燃剂使用。一些bfr已经被禁止，或替代。不仅carseat
里，家具，车里，foam cushions里很多都有。这些东西几乎美国所有人血液里都发现
了，浓度不同而已。那些宽松式的合成纤维做的小孩子睡衣里一般都有添加。小孩子很
大的一个这种bfr来源实际上是灰尘，因为喜欢在地上玩，啃东西嘛。carseat 里具体
多少不知道，应该狠低，一般要相当高的浓度才到给实验室小白鼠毒理实验的水平。所
以就看个人对这个有多concern了 ，反正现代环境里很难避免就是了
【在 az 的大作中提到】
: 有害程度都在med的，布雷娃，advocate，和frontier，而且通常降价的onyx最不好，
: 看来不无道理啊。。。
: 懂化学的能给分析一下吗？比如说这个advocate的报告
: http://www.healthystuff.org/departments/childrens-products/prod
: Bromine这么多什么意思啊，溴是什么啊？如果放在空气里敞一敞能好点不？
: Lead那点点不要紧吧
: 我更加困惑了。。。
: 感觉就是材料的问题啊。。。同一个座椅，确实材料差别，价钱差别很大的啊，我买的
: 马拉松其实材料就像布一样，布雷娃就很不同啊
retardant ，美国一些州比如加州对一些家用用品有的规定要添加这个来防火，但是后
来环境分析发现这种东西有一定毒性，不易降解，可以在人体与环境里accumulate, 所
以环保机构在尽力推动要放弃阻燃剂使用。一些bfr已经被禁止，或替代。不仅carseat
里，家具，车里，foam cushions里很多都有。这些东西几乎美国所有人血液里都发现
了，浓度不同而已。那些宽松式的合成纤维做的小孩子睡衣里一般都有添加。小孩子很
大的一个这种bfr来源实际上是灰尘，因为喜欢在地上玩，啃东西嘛。carseat 里具体
多少不知道，应该狠低，一般要相当高的浓度才到给实验室小白鼠毒理实验的水平。所
以就看个人对这个有多concern了 ，反正现代环境里很难避免就是了
【在 az 的大作中提到】
: 有害程度都在med的，布雷娃，advocate，和frontier，而且通常降价的onyx最不好，
: 看来不无道理啊。。。
: 懂化学的能给分析一下吗？比如说这个advocate的报告
: http://www.healthystuff.org/departments/childrens-products/prod
: Bromine这么多什么意思啊，溴是什么啊？如果放在空气里敞一敞能好点不？
: Lead那点点不要紧吧
: 我更加困惑了。。。
: 感觉就是材料的问题啊。。。同一个座椅，确实材料差别，价钱差别很大的啊，我买的
: 马拉松其实材料就像布一样，布雷娃就很不同啊
e*e
27 楼
不累娃和马拉松哪个好啊？我看马拉松买的人多，就跟风买了。要不要换不累娃呢？
【在 az 的大作中提到】
: 有害程度都在med的，布雷娃，advocate，和frontier，而且通常降价的onyx最不好，
: 看来不无道理啊。。。
: 懂化学的能给分析一下吗？比如说这个advocate的报告
: http://www.healthystuff.org/departments/childrens-products/prod
: Bromine这么多什么意思啊，溴是什么啊？如果放在空气里敞一敞能好点不？
: Lead那点点不要紧吧
: 我更加困惑了。。。
: 感觉就是材料的问题啊。。。同一个座椅，确实材料差别，价钱差别很大的啊，我买的
: 马拉松其实材料就像布一样，布雷娃就很不同啊
【在 az 的大作中提到】
: 有害程度都在med的，布雷娃，advocate，和frontier，而且通常降价的onyx最不好，
: 看来不无道理啊。。。
: 懂化学的能给分析一下吗？比如说这个advocate的报告
: http://www.healthystuff.org/departments/childrens-products/prod
: Bromine这么多什么意思啊，溴是什么啊？如果放在空气里敞一敞能好点不？
: Lead那点点不要紧吧
: 我更加困惑了。。。
: 感觉就是材料的问题啊。。。同一个座椅，确实材料差别，价钱差别很大的啊，我买的
: 马拉松其实材料就像布一样，布雷娃就很不同啊
az
28 楼
布雷娃的保护好一些的，但是貌似没有马拉松舒服
【在 e********e 的大作中提到】
: 不累娃和马拉松哪个好啊？我看马拉松买的人多，就跟风买了。要不要换不累娃呢？
【在 e********e 的大作中提到】
: 不累娃和马拉松哪个好啊？我看马拉松买的人多，就跟风买了。要不要换不累娃呢？
V*a
29 楼
我家是牛奶纹的马拉松，2011买的，要换不？
e*e
30 楼
昨天晚上下的单，现在不让cancel了，我就让我娃舒服点吧:)
【在 az 的大作中提到】
: 布雷娃的保护好一些的，但是貌似没有马拉松舒服
【在 az 的大作中提到】
: 布雷娃的保护好一些的，但是貌似没有马拉松舒服
I*A
31 楼
该买还得买。准备下单。。。
买个安全的座椅比什么都重要。
所谓的有害物质只是在椅子内部，比起安全来讲可以忽略了。再说基本所有的椅子都有
吧。没听说那个孩子中毒了。我就在“毒”椅子里选一把“安全”的吧。。
买个安全的座椅比什么都重要。
所谓的有害物质只是在椅子内部，比起安全来讲可以忽略了。再说基本所有的椅子都有
吧。没听说那个孩子中毒了。我就在“毒”椅子里选一把“安全”的吧。。
j*y
32 楼
这世道！
【在 m****e 的大作中提到】
: http://www.healthystuff.org/departments/childrens-products/prod
: 这个link更全
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器
【在 m****e 的大作中提到】
: http://www.healthystuff.org/departments/childrens-products/prod
: 这个link更全
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器
s*j
33 楼
唉，还有不毒的吗？要买advocate,看到onyx最便宜，但毒性高；我又犹豫啦。
z*w
34 楼
那没列出来的，比如advocate anna是没检测呢，还是没毒啊
说实话，anna真难看……
说实话，anna真难看……
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