M*i
2 楼
牛市+牛股自然是sell puts。我一个哥们就是靠sell puts发了财的，住豪宅开豪车，
很风光。去年见外婆了。
很风光。去年见外婆了。
A*o
3 楼
收益封顶
有啥意思
有啥意思
M*i
4 楼
时间在你一边，这是最大的意思。
【在 A**********o 的大作中提到】
: 收益封顶
: 有啥意思
【在 A**********o 的大作中提到】
: 收益封顶
: 有啥意思
B*r
5 楼
VXX的长期趋势最有说服力，买期权还是卖期权，到底谁赚钱。
就象买卖彩票，程度不同罢了。
就象买卖彩票，程度不同罢了。
L*8
6 楼
外婆家远吗？
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: 牛市+牛股自然是sell puts。我一个哥们就是靠sell puts发了财的，住豪宅开豪车，
: 很风光。去年见外婆了。
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: 牛市+牛股自然是sell puts。我一个哥们就是靠sell puts发了财的，住豪宅开豪车，
: 很风光。去年见外婆了。
o*n
7 楼
去年也是牛市啊, 咋的见外婆去了?
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: 牛市+牛股自然是sell puts。我一个哥们就是靠sell puts发了财的，住豪宅开豪车，
: 很风光。去年见外婆了。
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: 牛市+牛股自然是sell puts。我一个哥们就是靠sell puts发了财的，住豪宅开豪车，
: 很风光。去年见外婆了。
r*l
8 楼
意思是牛市都能见外婆，更何况熊市了?
naked put卖的对象不对，牛市一样外婆。
【在 o********n 的大作中提到】
: 去年也是牛市啊, 咋的见外婆去了?
naked put卖的对象不对，牛市一样外婆。
【在 o********n 的大作中提到】
: 去年也是牛市啊, 咋的见外婆去了?
o*l
9 楼
赞，
希望我明天到期的option，也能100%
希望我明天到期的option，也能100%
M*i
10 楼
大热门药股腰斩
【在 o********n 的大作中提到】
: 去年也是牛市啊, 咋的见外婆去了?
【在 o********n 的大作中提到】
: 去年也是牛市啊, 咋的见外婆去了?
o*n
11 楼
是的是的.
sell puts 风险还是大大的.
要谨慎,不能贪
事实上卖的好的话,是可以降低风险的(vs. buying stocks directly). 我卖的每一个
put都是做了把股票买进来的最坏的打算的.
【在 r***l 的大作中提到】
: 意思是牛市都能见外婆，更何况熊市了?
: naked put卖的对象不对，牛市一样外婆。
sell puts 风险还是大大的.
要谨慎,不能贪
事实上卖的好的话,是可以降低风险的(vs. buying stocks directly). 我卖的每一个
put都是做了把股票买进来的最坏的打算的.
【在 r***l 的大作中提到】
: 意思是牛市都能见外婆，更何况熊市了?
: naked put卖的对象不对，牛市一样外婆。
o*n
12 楼
药股还是买option比较合适.
我也要引以为戒.
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: 大热门药股腰斩
我也要引以为戒.
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: 大热门药股腰斩
M*i
13 楼
另外，注意吃相。最后10%我一般都不要的。
【在 o********n 的大作中提到】
: 再坚持一天!
【在 o********n 的大作中提到】
: 再坚持一天!
t*9
14 楼
原则上不做周內 option ～～晚上睡不踏实
【在 o******l 的大作中提到】
: 赞，
: 希望我明天到期的option，也能100%
【在 o******l 的大作中提到】
: 赞，
: 希望我明天到期的option，也能100%
o*n
15 楼
是的是的，我吃相比较难看， 喜欢通吃。没有风度。
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: 另外，注意吃相。最后10%我一般都不要的。
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: 另外，注意吃相。最后10%我一般都不要的。
g*7
16 楼
如果最后买入股票，根本都没有这样大的杠杆。
【在 o********n 的大作中提到】
: 是的是的.
: sell puts 风险还是大大的.
: 要谨慎,不能贪
: 事实上卖的好的话,是可以降低风险的(vs. buying stocks directly). 我卖的每一个
: put都是做了把股票买进来的最坏的打算的.
【在 o********n 的大作中提到】
: 是的是的.
: sell puts 风险还是大大的.
: 要谨慎,不能贪
: 事实上卖的好的话,是可以降低风险的(vs. buying stocks directly). 我卖的每一个
: put都是做了把股票买进来的最坏的打算的.
M*i
17 楼
strike一般都是支撑位，买入后若反转ride up，收益还是不错的
【在 g********7 的大作中提到】
: 如果最后买入股票，根本都没有这样大的杠杆。
【在 g********7 的大作中提到】
: 如果最后买入股票，根本都没有这样大的杠杆。
c*y
18 楼
不hedge的话碰上08年一天大跌直接外婆
o*l
19 楼
赞这个 吃相
我因为吃相不好，吃过亏
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: 另外，注意吃相。最后10%我一般都不要的。
我因为吃相不好，吃过亏
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: 另外，注意吃相。最后10%我一般都不要的。
b*m
20 楼
口水
S*i
21 楼
Co-Zan
【在 o******l 的大作中提到】
: 赞这个 吃相
: 我因为吃相不好，吃过亏
【在 o******l 的大作中提到】
: 赞这个 吃相
: 我因为吃相不好，吃过亏
S*i
22 楼
I can't imagine a person would ever have a sound sleep sitting on that
amount of naked puts.
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: 牛市+牛股自然是sell puts。我一个哥们就是靠sell puts发了财的，住豪宅开豪车，
: 很风光。去年见外婆了。
amount of naked puts.
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: 牛市+牛股自然是sell puts。我一个哥们就是靠sell puts发了财的，住豪宅开豪车，
: 很风光。去年见外婆了。
w*6
23 楼
As I said, TTS will hit 18.xx 1 week prior to X'mas time.
Good to see you guys are counting money with smile
Good to see you guys are counting money with smile
M*i
24 楼
I guess it never crossed his mind that the stock would plunge more than 20%
so he did have sound sleep before it happened.
【在 S*******i 的大作中提到】
: I can't imagine a person would ever have a sound sleep sitting on that
: amount of naked puts.
so he did have sound sleep before it happened.
【在 S*******i 的大作中提到】
: I can't imagine a person would ever have a sound sleep sitting on that
: amount of naked puts.
o*n
25 楼
TTS has high implied volatility, good to sell puts
I will sell more TTS puts
Thanks!
【在 w*********6 的大作中提到】
: As I said, TTS will hit 18.xx 1 week prior to X'mas time.
: Good to see you guys are counting money with smile
I will sell more TTS puts
Thanks!
【在 w*********6 的大作中提到】
: As I said, TTS will hit 18.xx 1 week prior to X'mas time.
: Good to see you guys are counting money with smile
r*e
26 楼
现在option的time value普遍贼高，也许真的应该考虑一下这个
S*i
27 楼
He he.
A lot of the times, when puts get more expensive, it meant something bad
which our individual investor could never know in advance might have already
happened. I guess your friend might have instead thought it as a good
opportunity to collect more insurance premium. :)
%
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: I guess it never crossed his mind that the stock would plunge more than 20%
: so he did have sound sleep before it happened.
A lot of the times, when puts get more expensive, it meant something bad
which our individual investor could never know in advance might have already
happened. I guess your friend might have instead thought it as a good
opportunity to collect more insurance premium. :)
%
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: I guess it never crossed his mind that the stock would plunge more than 20%
: so he did have sound sleep before it happened.
M*i
28 楼
it's not like that. he had been doing the same stocks for 2 years and made a
fortune. he thought he knew them all. he lost because he bet on ER.
already
【在 S*******i 的大作中提到】
: He he.
: A lot of the times, when puts get more expensive, it meant something bad
: which our individual investor could never know in advance might have already
: happened. I guess your friend might have instead thought it as a good
: opportunity to collect more insurance premium. :)
:
: %
fortune. he thought he knew them all. he lost because he bet on ER.
already
【在 S*******i 的大作中提到】
: He he.
: A lot of the times, when puts get more expensive, it meant something bad
: which our individual investor could never know in advance might have already
: happened. I guess your friend might have instead thought it as a good
: opportunity to collect more insurance premium. :)
:
: %
o*n
29 楼
I think he got greedy and too confident.
a
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: it's not like that. he had been doing the same stocks for 2 years and made a
: fortune. he thought he knew them all. he lost because he bet on ER.
:
: already
a
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: it's not like that. he had been doing the same stocks for 2 years and made a
: fortune. he thought he knew them all. he lost because he bet on ER.
:
: already
p*r
30 楼
Short those upside limited stocks, such as AMZN and FB(as of today's price),
and sell put to collect time money if they don't go down.
Those stocks are strong, supported by fund managers, but upside is limited
due to high valuation.
and sell put to collect time money if they don't go down.
Those stocks are strong, supported by fund managers, but upside is limited
due to high valuation.
M*i
31 楼
not because of greed. he was too confident.
【在 o********n 的大作中提到】
: I think he got greedy and too confident.
:
: a
【在 o********n 的大作中提到】
: I think he got greedy and too confident.
:
: a
M*i
32 楼
same as sell naked call?
),
【在 p*********r 的大作中提到】
: Short those upside limited stocks, such as AMZN and FB(as of today's price),
: and sell put to collect time money if they don't go down.
: Those stocks are strong, supported by fund managers, but upside is limited
: due to high valuation.
),
【在 p*********r 的大作中提到】
: Short those upside limited stocks, such as AMZN and FB(as of today's price),
: and sell put to collect time money if they don't go down.
: Those stocks are strong, supported by fund managers, but upside is limited
: due to high valuation.
S*i
33 楼
Ouch. Bet on ER by writing naked puts.
a
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: it's not like that. he had been doing the same stocks for 2 years and made a
: fortune. he thought he knew them all. he lost because he bet on ER.
:
: already
a
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: it's not like that. he had been doing the same stocks for 2 years and made a
: fortune. he thought he knew them all. he lost because he bet on ER.
:
: already
p*r
34 楼
Yes, pretty much.
I often sell naked call first. If the stock price is higher than my option
price, it will be converted to short, then I keep selling put until I made
enough money to close my short position and put.
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: same as sell naked call?
:
: ),
w*6
35 楼
because he "bet" on ER, when bet turns to gamble,it's the edge of cliff.
Easy money easy come easy go...
Easy money easy come easy go...
S*i
36 楼
To be frank, I don't think this would work out safely.
AMZN was deemed to be expensive when it was at $100, now it is $400. Not to
mention those crazy bull stocks such as PCLN, CMG, which from traditional
valuation stand point has been way over-valued but kept going up.
Who could foresee that FB rallies from $20 to over $50 in such a short
period of time?
),
【在 p*********r 的大作中提到】
: Short those upside limited stocks, such as AMZN and FB(as of today's price),
: and sell put to collect time money if they don't go down.
: Those stocks are strong, supported by fund managers, but upside is limited
: due to high valuation.
AMZN was deemed to be expensive when it was at $100, now it is $400. Not to
mention those crazy bull stocks such as PCLN, CMG, which from traditional
valuation stand point has been way over-valued but kept going up.
Who could foresee that FB rallies from $20 to over $50 in such a short
period of time?
),
【在 p*********r 的大作中提到】
: Short those upside limited stocks, such as AMZN and FB(as of today's price),
: and sell put to collect time money if they don't go down.
: Those stocks are strong, supported by fund managers, but upside is limited
: due to high valuation.
p*r
37 楼
to
Stock price itself does not mean anything.
The important is the overall market cap.
Amzn is over $180B, FB is over $130B. PCLN is only $60B.
【在 S*******i 的大作中提到】
: To be frank, I don't think this would work out safely.
: AMZN was deemed to be expensive when it was at $100, now it is $400. Not to
: mention those crazy bull stocks such as PCLN, CMG, which from traditional
: valuation stand point has been way over-valued but kept going up.
: Who could foresee that FB rallies from $20 to over $50 in such a short
: period of time?
:
: ),
o*n
38 楼
看来还是医药公司的市值大。
下面是各医药公司在 Sep 21， 2013 的市值 （现在更高了！）
JNJ 252B
RHHBY 224B
PFE 191B
NVS 187B
MRK 140B
GSK 122B
GILD 97B
BMY 77B
LLY 58B
ABT 54B
看看这些公司的market cap就不觉得AMZN， FB ， PCLN 贵了
【在 p*********r 的大作中提到】
:
: to
: Stock price itself does not mean anything.
: The important is the overall market cap.
: Amzn is over $180B, FB is over $130B. PCLN is only $60B.
下面是各医药公司在 Sep 21， 2013 的市值 （现在更高了！）
JNJ 252B
RHHBY 224B
PFE 191B
NVS 187B
MRK 140B
GSK 122B
GILD 97B
BMY 77B
LLY 58B
ABT 54B
看看这些公司的market cap就不觉得AMZN， FB ， PCLN 贵了
【在 p*********r 的大作中提到】
:
: to
: Stock price itself does not mean anything.
: The important is the overall market cap.
: Amzn is over $180B, FB is over $130B. PCLN is only $60B.
M*i
39 楼
fb 一点儿不贵 至少double
o*n
40 楼
这难说。
不过股市太疯狂是真的。
今年就是猴子炒股都能涨个百分之七八十。
明年我想不会那么好了，至少我操作会保守很多很多。
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: fb 一点儿不贵 至少double
不过股市太疯狂是真的。
今年就是猴子炒股都能涨个百分之七八十。
明年我想不会那么好了，至少我操作会保守很多很多。
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: fb 一点儿不贵 至少double
M*i
41 楼
怎样操作算是“保守很多很多”？
o*n
42 楼
比如说不重仓啦，不用马金啦， 减少交易次数啦， 增加cash比例啦，等等。
不象今年，真的是撑死胆大的。
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: 怎样操作算是“保守很多很多”？
不象今年，真的是撑死胆大的。
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: 怎样操作算是“保守很多很多”？
E*O
43 楼
1000股5000股地卖，哪天像2010年那样肥手指就被强行平仓见外婆。
【在 o********n 的大作中提到】
: 再坚持一天!
【在 o********n 的大作中提到】
: 再坚持一天!
p*r
44 楼
These 医药公司 can make big income every quarter/year. Many of them
can make over $10B/year. Their profit is protected by patent
and government regulation(it is not easy to get new medicine/equipment
approval from government). They consistently have dividend and stock buy
back program.
Does AMZN and FB have dividend or buy back program ?
Actually, they have to issue more shares every year as employee stock
options ?
Take a look at Oracle yesterday earning report.
It made $2.6 net income(with $9.3B revenue) last quarter,
it has dividend and buy back program too. Its market cap
is only around $160B.
Can AMZN and FB make that amount of money in 3 years, or 5 years ?
Perhaps, not be able to make that amount of money even in 10 years.
【在 o********n 的大作中提到】
: 看来还是医药公司的市值大。
: 下面是各医药公司在 Sep 21， 2013 的市值 （现在更高了！）
: JNJ 252B
: RHHBY 224B
: PFE 191B
: NVS 187B
: MRK 140B
: GSK 122B
: GILD 97B
: BMY 77B
can make over $10B/year. Their profit is protected by patent
and government regulation(it is not easy to get new medicine/equipment
approval from government). They consistently have dividend and stock buy
back program.
Does AMZN and FB have dividend or buy back program ?
Actually, they have to issue more shares every year as employee stock
options ?
Take a look at Oracle yesterday earning report.
It made $2.6 net income(with $9.3B revenue) last quarter,
it has dividend and buy back program too. Its market cap
is only around $160B.
Can AMZN and FB make that amount of money in 3 years, or 5 years ?
Perhaps, not be able to make that amount of money even in 10 years.
【在 o********n 的大作中提到】
: 看来还是医药公司的市值大。
: 下面是各医药公司在 Sep 21， 2013 的市值 （现在更高了！）
: JNJ 252B
: RHHBY 224B
: PFE 191B
: NVS 187B
: MRK 140B
: GSK 122B
: GILD 97B
: BMY 77B
o*n
45 楼
我惨了，因为吃相不好
被assign 了 1000股 pega @ $50
版上的大牛帮俺看看， pega 还会上50 不？
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: 另外，注意吃相。最后10%我一般都不要的。
被assign 了 1000股 pega @ $50
版上的大牛帮俺看看， pega 还会上50 不？
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: 另外，注意吃相。最后10%我一般都不要的。
i*n
46 楼
大师厉害
期望收益没有区别的
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.2.2
【在 o********n 的大作中提到】
: 再坚持一天!
期望收益没有区别的
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.2.2
【在 o********n 的大作中提到】
: 再坚持一天!
s*r
47 楼
被assign你是要买还是卖？
【在 o********n 的大作中提到】
: 我惨了，因为吃相不好
: 被assign 了 1000股 pega @ $50
: 版上的大牛帮俺看看， pega 还会上50 不？
【在 o********n 的大作中提到】
: 我惨了，因为吃相不好
: 被assign 了 1000股 pega @ $50
: 版上的大牛帮俺看看， pega 还会上50 不？
c*o
48 楼
当然是人家卖给他拉。。。。
【在 s**r 的大作中提到】
: 被assign你是要买还是卖？
【在 s**r 的大作中提到】
: 被assign你是要买还是卖？
S*i
49 楼
这种 at the money put 你既然敢卖，就已经做好持股打算了吧？
【在 o********n 的大作中提到】
: 我惨了，因为吃相不好
: 被assign 了 1000股 pega @ $50
: 版上的大牛帮俺看看， pega 还会上50 不？
【在 o********n 的大作中提到】
: 我惨了，因为吃相不好
: 被assign 了 1000股 pega @ $50
: 版上的大牛帮俺看看， pega 还会上50 不？
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