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b*e2013-12-29 08:12

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Blair advised Clinton again on July 17, 1979. He recalled that she started
that trading day by losing $26,460 on 10 cattle contracts she had held for
more than a month, by far her worst loss as a futures player. On his
recommendation, he said, she immediately went back into the market. She
acquired 50 new cattle contracts – worth $1.4 million -- and when the price
moved in her favor, unloaded them around noon for a quick gain of $10,550.
This recouped part of her loss.

W*O2013-12-29 08:12

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牛刀大牛，你要收徒弟做期货吗？

h*r2013-12-29 08:12

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希腊里大牛，简称犀牛。

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: Blair advised Clinton again on July 17, 1979. He recalled that she started
: that trading day by losing $26,460 on 10 cattle contracts she had held for
: more than a month, by far her worst loss as a futures player. On his
: recommendation, he said, she immediately went back into the market. She
: acquired 50 new cattle contracts – worth $1.4 million -- and when the price
: moved in her favor, unloaded them around noon for a quick gain of $10,550.
: This recouped part of her loss.

W*O2013-12-29 08:12

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大鸟你不去讲相声真可惜了。咯啦。

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: 希腊里大牛，简称犀牛。
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b*e2013-12-29 08:12

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菲菲，我先拜师。:)

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: 牛刀大牛，你要收徒弟做期货吗？

W*O2013-12-29 08:12

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你要拜谁？我可不可以跟着。

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: 菲菲，我先拜师。:)

b*e2013-12-29 08:12

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这不是在等师傅传授武功秘籍么。

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: 你要拜谁？我可不可以跟着。

W*O2013-12-29 08:12

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明白了。

【在 b*******e 的大作中提到】

: 这不是在等师傅传授武功秘籍么。

h*r2013-12-29 08:12

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嗯，做talk show 是我的dream job 。

【在 W****O 的大作中提到】

: 大鸟你不去讲相声真可惜了。咯啦。

b*e2013-12-29 08:12

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牛！大牛是发大财的。

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: 嗯，做talk show 是我的dream job 。

W*O2013-12-29 08:12

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大牛哪天你真做了show要来板上招呼一声哈。
btw，牛刀大牛要拜的师傅怎么还不来。
bbtw, 皓月大师据说最厉害，能说说吗

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: 嗯，做talk show 是我的dream job 。

r*a2013-12-29 08:12

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牛刀，我打算收了你

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: 这不是在等师傅传授武功秘籍么。

b*e2013-12-29 08:12

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大师能否评价一下这个方法，谢谢。

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: 牛刀，我打算收了你

p*x2013-12-29 08:12

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What if "the price NOT moved in her favor"?

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m*r2013-12-29 08:12

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全文link在哪儿？

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m*r2013-12-29 08:12

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-rv/politics/special/whitewater
Hillary Clinton Futures Trades Detailed
By Charles R. Babcock
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 27, 1994; Page A01
Hillary Rodham Clinton was allowed to order 10 cattle futures contracts,
normally a $12,000 investment, in her first commodity trade in 1978 although
she had only $1,000 in her account at the time, according to trade records
the White House released yesterday.
The computerized records of her trades, which the White House obtained from
the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, show for the first time how she was able to
turn her initial investment into $6,300 overnight. In about 10 months of
trading, she made nearly $100,000, relying heavily on advice from her friend
James B. Blair, an experienced futures trader.
The new records also raise the possibility that some of her profits -- as
much as $40,000 – came from larger trades ordered by someone else and then
shifted to her account, Leo Melamed, a former chairman of the Merc who
reviewed the records for the White House, said in an interview. He said the
discrepancies in Clinton's records also could have been caused by human
error.
Even allocated trades would not necessarily have benefited Clinton, Melamed
added. "I have no reason to change my original assessment. Mrs. Clinton
violated no rules in the course of her transactions," he said.
Lisa Caputo, Clinton's spokeswoman, said the documents were released
yesterday "to give as complete a picture as possible" of her trades. She
said Clinton had never before seen them.
Blair, who urged Clinton to enter the high-risk futures market and ordered
most of her trades, said in a recent interview that he "talked her into" her
first futures trade in October 1978 before paperwork on her account was
completed. It was liquidated quickly, he recalled, because "it was bigger
than she wanted and required more money."
A close examination of her individual trades underscores Blair's pivotal
role. It also shows that Robert L. "Red" Bone, who ran the Springdale, Ark.,
office of Ray E. Friedman and Co. (Refco), allowed Clinton to initiate and
maintain many trading positions – besides the first – when she did not
have enough money in her account to cover them.
Why would Bone do so? Bone could not be reached for comment, but Blair said
he thought he knew why. "I was a very good customer," he said, noting he
paid Bone $800,000 in commissions over the years. "They weren't going to
hassle me. If I brought them somebody, they weren't going to hassle them."
Besides, he added, Bone would not worry if he agreed with his clients' bet
on which way the price of a given contract would go.
Blair, who at the time was outside counsel to Tyson Foods Inc., Arkansas'
largest employer, says he was advising Clinton out of friendship, not to
seek political gain for his state-regulated client. At the time of many of
the trades, Bill Clinton was governor.
Hillary Clinton has said she made all the trading decisions herself and has
tried to play down Blair's role. But she acknowledged in April, three weeks
after her trades were first disclosed, that Blair actually placed most of
the trades.
Blair advised Clinton again on July 17, 1979. He recalled that she started
that trading day by losing $26,460 on 10 cattle contracts she had held for
more than a month, by far her worst loss as a futures player. On his
recommendation, he said, she immediately went back into the market. She
acquired 50 new cattle contracts – worth $1.4 million -- and when the price
moved in her favor, unloaded them around noon for a quick gain of $10,550.
This recouped part of her loss.
Blair said Clinton and other friends he suggested trades for had lost money
that spring on feeder cattle. Those trades "caused everyone some grief," he
said. "I'm sure I was pressing to get everyone back above water" in
recommending the quick and bold day trade.
The White House defense of Hillary Clinton's preferential treatment was that
other customers in the same office also were allowed to trade without
having enough cash in their accounts.
While Clinton's account was wildly successful to an outsider, it was small
compared to what others were making in the cattle futures market in the 1978
-79 period. An investigation of the cattle futures market at that time by
Rep. Neal Smith (D-Iowa) found that in one 16-month period 32 traders made
more than $110 million in profits from large trades -- those of 50 contracts
or more. Clinton traded positions of 50 or more contracts only three times.
The records the White House released yesterday were part of an investigative
file from 1979, when the exchange charged Bone and Refco with violations of
its record keeping and margin requirement rules. Bone was suspended for
three years; Refco paid a $250,000 fine, then the largest in the exchange's
history. Internal memos from that investigation cover transactions from the
same period in June in which Clinton was trading, but not the same trades.
In one instance, the Merc found Bone and a fellow broker were ordering 1,000
cattle contracts at a time – far over the limit allowed at the time – and
then allocating them to other customers.
One internal Merc memo said "there is reason to believe" that a majority of
Bone's accounts were traded without the clients' permission. Blair said that
Bone at times traded his personal account without permission.
Blair said he doubted Bone traded Clinton's account without her permission.
Melamed said it was "impossible" to determine the exact cause for the
discrepancies between the Merc computer record of Clinton's trades and the
trading records she received from Refco, which the White House released
earlier.
She said that for six trades, her initial trading position in the Refco
records were not reflected in the Merc documents. On one other trade neither
her purchase nor sale was included. On that trade she netted $12,150 on 15
cattle contracts she held for four days.
Clinton reported a loss of $2,480 on one of the trades in question, Melamed
noted.
One was a "day trade" on hog contracts that netted $2,553. Melamed said "day
trades" are the only way to assure profit even if favorable trading
positions are allocated to a customer's account. Any position held overnight
would be subject to the rise and fall in prices in the volatile futures
market, he added.
Staff researcher Barbara J. Saffir contributed to this report.
In commodities futures trading, an account that falls below the "maintenance
margin" typically triggers a "margin call," where the trader must put up
sufficient cash to cover the contracts. Although Hillary Rodham Clinton's
account was under-margined for nearly all of July 1979, no margin calls were
made, no additional cash was put up, and she eventually reaped a $60,000
profit.
June 29 ......... $56,466 (Margin: Value account should have had to continue
trading.)
July 12 ........ -$24,243
July 17 ......... $22,537 (Account value: Total cash on hand plus (or minus)
paper value of contracts.)
July 20 ......... $61,537
July 23, 1979: She withdrew $60,000 and never traded again, closing the
account in October.
© Copyright 1997 The Washington Post Company

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