B*n
2 楼
抄老巴的底吧,就是现在。
buy IBM and AXP
buy IBM and AXP
y*r
4 楼
真没想到,老巴精挑细选了这两个。
a*1
8 楼
Last time when he bought BAC, it was around $7.5 in the summer of 2011. At
the end of that year, BAC was around 5. And you know the rest of the story.
Don't undermine his ability. The reason stocks drop after he bought is
mostly because his position is too big and he can never get the bottom.
His IBM cost averages about $180. If the IBM story unfolds like BAC, I think
we might have just seen the bottom of IBM.
I don't have IBM position but good luck to lijuan2.
【在 s******Y 的大作中提到】
: 两个走下坡路的公司, 没有最低只有更低。
the end of that year, BAC was around 5. And you know the rest of the story.
Don't undermine his ability. The reason stocks drop after he bought is
mostly because his position is too big and he can never get the bottom.
His IBM cost averages about $180. If the IBM story unfolds like BAC, I think
we might have just seen the bottom of IBM.
I don't have IBM position but good luck to lijuan2.
【在 s******Y 的大作中提到】
: 两个走下坡路的公司, 没有最低只有更低。
s*e
9 楼
IBM不看好,完全就是个吃老本的公司。
.
think
【在 a*****1 的大作中提到】
: Last time when he bought BAC, it was around $7.5 in the summer of 2011. At
: the end of that year, BAC was around 5. And you know the rest of the story.
: Don't undermine his ability. The reason stocks drop after he bought is
: mostly because his position is too big and he can never get the bottom.
: His IBM cost averages about $180. If the IBM story unfolds like BAC, I think
: we might have just seen the bottom of IBM.
: I don't have IBM position but good luck to lijuan2.
.
think
【在 a*****1 的大作中提到】
: Last time when he bought BAC, it was around $7.5 in the summer of 2011. At
: the end of that year, BAC was around 5. And you know the rest of the story.
: Don't undermine his ability. The reason stocks drop after he bought is
: mostly because his position is too big and he can never get the bottom.
: His IBM cost averages about $180. If the IBM story unfolds like BAC, I think
: we might have just seen the bottom of IBM.
: I don't have IBM position but good luck to lijuan2.
c*e
12 楼
老巴说他要买Ibm的时候也说了Microsoft很便宜。
从那天起我开始买入Microsoft。
最早的如果拿到今天就不算分红也翻翻了!
可惜拿不住。
.
think
【在 a*****1 的大作中提到】
: Last time when he bought BAC, it was around $7.5 in the summer of 2011. At
: the end of that year, BAC was around 5. And you know the rest of the story.
: Don't undermine his ability. The reason stocks drop after he bought is
: mostly because his position is too big and he can never get the bottom.
: His IBM cost averages about $180. If the IBM story unfolds like BAC, I think
: we might have just seen the bottom of IBM.
: I don't have IBM position but good luck to lijuan2.
从那天起我开始买入Microsoft。
最早的如果拿到今天就不算分红也翻翻了!
可惜拿不住。
.
think
【在 a*****1 的大作中提到】
: Last time when he bought BAC, it was around $7.5 in the summer of 2011. At
: the end of that year, BAC was around 5. And you know the rest of the story.
: Don't undermine his ability. The reason stocks drop after he bought is
: mostly because his position is too big and he can never get the bottom.
: His IBM cost averages about $180. If the IBM story unfolds like BAC, I think
: we might have just seen the bottom of IBM.
: I don't have IBM position but good luck to lijuan2.
h*e
19 楼
AXP这个季度rev 8.4B,其中interest income 1.8B,比去年同期涨7%,但是远低于其它
peer,如chase,这个季度的interest income 3+B. AXP的rev主要来自于non-interest
income,主要是各种fee包括刷卡network fee,这部份收入4.9B,和去年几乎差不多。
AXP的business model还是服务于affluent和travel的customer,以赚interchange fee
为主,这部份收入margin虽然不如interest income,但是风险小,坏帐少。但是近年来
chase sapphire, Barclay arrival等等异军突起,抢走了很多affluent和travel
customer地盘。导致AXP刷卡金额相对去年几乎没有增加,而同期chase的刷卡金额好象
是增加了11%左右。另外去年开始AXP连连丢掉了几个partner, fidelity被us bank抢走
,jetblue被barclay抢走,costco投奔了citi,明年SPG和marriot合并后,说不定SPG也
保不住(marriot现在是chase的partner),这对AXP的rev增长有很负面的影响,虽然AXP
把costco backbook卖给citi好象能拿到1B,但是这个1B如果不能抢到一个新的赚钱的
partner也没啥大用处。我看AXP growth压力很大,最近SPG年费增加就是个佐证。
我觉得AXP应该会反弹一下,但是长线我不太看好。除非今年有什么突破性的举措。另
外几大信用卡公司的总部,或起码是analytical都转移到cost比较低的州了,比如
Delaware,只有AXP死守NYC,cost比别人高一大截,也是挺不明智的。
【在 T******o 的大作中提到】
: 自个研究了一下,是1%everything,2%超市,3%油。然后ml存款5万,bonus 50%, 10万
: ,bonus 75%
peer,如chase,这个季度的interest income 3+B. AXP的rev主要来自于non-interest
income,主要是各种fee包括刷卡network fee,这部份收入4.9B,和去年几乎差不多。
AXP的business model还是服务于affluent和travel的customer,以赚interchange fee
为主,这部份收入margin虽然不如interest income,但是风险小,坏帐少。但是近年来
chase sapphire, Barclay arrival等等异军突起,抢走了很多affluent和travel
customer地盘。导致AXP刷卡金额相对去年几乎没有增加,而同期chase的刷卡金额好象
是增加了11%左右。另外去年开始AXP连连丢掉了几个partner, fidelity被us bank抢走
,jetblue被barclay抢走,costco投奔了citi,明年SPG和marriot合并后,说不定SPG也
保不住(marriot现在是chase的partner),这对AXP的rev增长有很负面的影响,虽然AXP
把costco backbook卖给citi好象能拿到1B,但是这个1B如果不能抢到一个新的赚钱的
partner也没啥大用处。我看AXP growth压力很大,最近SPG年费增加就是个佐证。
我觉得AXP应该会反弹一下,但是长线我不太看好。除非今年有什么突破性的举措。另
外几大信用卡公司的总部,或起码是analytical都转移到cost比较低的州了,比如
Delaware,只有AXP死守NYC,cost比别人高一大截,也是挺不明智的。
【在 T******o 的大作中提到】
: 自个研究了一下,是1%everything,2%超市,3%油。然后ml存款5万,bonus 50%, 10万
: ,bonus 75%
y*r
20 楼
SPG神卡呀。
什么W酒店,St. Regis 随便住爽死了。
interest
fee
AXP
【在 h*e 的大作中提到】
: AXP这个季度rev 8.4B,其中interest income 1.8B,比去年同期涨7%,但是远低于其它
: peer,如chase,这个季度的interest income 3+B. AXP的rev主要来自于non-interest
: income,主要是各种fee包括刷卡network fee,这部份收入4.9B,和去年几乎差不多。
: AXP的business model还是服务于affluent和travel的customer,以赚interchange fee
: 为主,这部份收入margin虽然不如interest income,但是风险小,坏帐少。但是近年来
: chase sapphire, Barclay arrival等等异军突起,抢走了很多affluent和travel
: customer地盘。导致AXP刷卡金额相对去年几乎没有增加,而同期chase的刷卡金额好象
: 是增加了11%左右。另外去年开始AXP连连丢掉了几个partner, fidelity被us bank抢走
: ,jetblue被barclay抢走,costco投奔了citi,明年SPG和marriot合并后,说不定SPG也
: 保不住(marriot现在是chase的partner),这对AXP的rev增长有很负面的影响,虽然AXP
什么W酒店,St. Regis 随便住爽死了。
interest
fee
AXP
【在 h*e 的大作中提到】
: AXP这个季度rev 8.4B,其中interest income 1.8B,比去年同期涨7%,但是远低于其它
: peer,如chase,这个季度的interest income 3+B. AXP的rev主要来自于non-interest
: income,主要是各种fee包括刷卡network fee,这部份收入4.9B,和去年几乎差不多。
: AXP的business model还是服务于affluent和travel的customer,以赚interchange fee
: 为主,这部份收入margin虽然不如interest income,但是风险小,坏帐少。但是近年来
: chase sapphire, Barclay arrival等等异军突起,抢走了很多affluent和travel
: customer地盘。导致AXP刷卡金额相对去年几乎没有增加,而同期chase的刷卡金额好象
: 是增加了11%左右。另外去年开始AXP连连丢掉了几个partner, fidelity被us bank抢走
: ,jetblue被barclay抢走,costco投奔了citi,明年SPG和marriot合并后,说不定SPG也
: 保不住(marriot现在是chase的partner),这对AXP的rev增长有很负面的影响,虽然AXP
T*o
22 楼
interest
fee
AXP
谢谢指点
【在 h*e 的大作中提到】
: AXP这个季度rev 8.4B,其中interest income 1.8B,比去年同期涨7%,但是远低于其它
: peer,如chase,这个季度的interest income 3+B. AXP的rev主要来自于non-interest
: income,主要是各种fee包括刷卡network fee,这部份收入4.9B,和去年几乎差不多。
: AXP的business model还是服务于affluent和travel的customer,以赚interchange fee
: 为主,这部份收入margin虽然不如interest income,但是风险小,坏帐少。但是近年来
: chase sapphire, Barclay arrival等等异军突起,抢走了很多affluent和travel
: customer地盘。导致AXP刷卡金额相对去年几乎没有增加,而同期chase的刷卡金额好象
: 是增加了11%左右。另外去年开始AXP连连丢掉了几个partner, fidelity被us bank抢走
: ,jetblue被barclay抢走,costco投奔了citi,明年SPG和marriot合并后,说不定SPG也
: 保不住(marriot现在是chase的partner),这对AXP的rev增长有很负面的影响,虽然AXP
I*e
24 楼
Buffett‘s true cost of IBM is under 140, after the many years of dividends.
He's not changing his opinion, because
it is nearly a sure bet in 10-20-30 years horizon. Look, the PE ratio is 8.3
, even if the business have a huge
decline, and stabilizes at 1/2 this level then start to recover, it is still
a very solid return.
So, the true question is, will IBM lose all of its earning power, and start
to lose money in a big way?
.
think
【在 a*****1 的大作中提到】
: Last time when he bought BAC, it was around $7.5 in the summer of 2011. At
: the end of that year, BAC was around 5. And you know the rest of the story.
: Don't undermine his ability. The reason stocks drop after he bought is
: mostly because his position is too big and he can never get the bottom.
: His IBM cost averages about $180. If the IBM story unfolds like BAC, I think
: we might have just seen the bottom of IBM.
: I don't have IBM position but good luck to lijuan2.
He's not changing his opinion, because
it is nearly a sure bet in 10-20-30 years horizon. Look, the PE ratio is 8.3
, even if the business have a huge
decline, and stabilizes at 1/2 this level then start to recover, it is still
a very solid return.
So, the true question is, will IBM lose all of its earning power, and start
to lose money in a big way?
.
think
【在 a*****1 的大作中提到】
: Last time when he bought BAC, it was around $7.5 in the summer of 2011. At
: the end of that year, BAC was around 5. And you know the rest of the story.
: Don't undermine his ability. The reason stocks drop after he bought is
: mostly because his position is too big and he can never get the bottom.
: His IBM cost averages about $180. If the IBM story unfolds like BAC, I think
: we might have just seen the bottom of IBM.
: I don't have IBM position but good luck to lijuan2.
f*e
26 楼
他去年还是前年底才买的IBM,哪来的many years of dividends
dividends.
.3
still
start
【在 I***e 的大作中提到】
: Buffett‘s true cost of IBM is under 140, after the many years of dividends.
: He's not changing his opinion, because
: it is nearly a sure bet in 10-20-30 years horizon. Look, the PE ratio is 8.3
: , even if the business have a huge
: decline, and stabilizes at 1/2 this level then start to recover, it is still
: a very solid return.
: So, the true question is, will IBM lose all of its earning power, and start
: to lose money in a big way?
:
: .
dividends.
.3
still
start
【在 I***e 的大作中提到】
: Buffett‘s true cost of IBM is under 140, after the many years of dividends.
: He's not changing his opinion, because
: it is nearly a sure bet in 10-20-30 years horizon. Look, the PE ratio is 8.3
: , even if the business have a huge
: decline, and stabilizes at 1/2 this level then start to recover, it is still
: a very solid return.
: So, the true question is, will IBM lose all of its earning power, and start
: to lose money in a big way?
:
: .
s*Y
29 楼
两个走下坡路的公司, 没有最低只有更低。
B*n
30 楼
抄老巴的底吧,就是现在。
buy IBM and AXP
buy IBM and AXP
y*r
32 楼
真没想到,老巴精挑细选了这两个。
a*1
36 楼
Last time when he bought BAC, it was around $7.5 in the summer of 2011. At
the end of that year, BAC was around 5. And you know the rest of the story.
Don't undermine his ability. The reason stocks drop after he bought is
mostly because his position is too big and he can never get the bottom.
His IBM cost averages about $180. If the IBM story unfolds like BAC, I think
we might have just seen the bottom of IBM.
I don't have IBM position but good luck to lijuan2.
【在 s******Y 的大作中提到】
: 两个走下坡路的公司, 没有最低只有更低。
the end of that year, BAC was around 5. And you know the rest of the story.
Don't undermine his ability. The reason stocks drop after he bought is
mostly because his position is too big and he can never get the bottom.
His IBM cost averages about $180. If the IBM story unfolds like BAC, I think
we might have just seen the bottom of IBM.
I don't have IBM position but good luck to lijuan2.
【在 s******Y 的大作中提到】
: 两个走下坡路的公司, 没有最低只有更低。
s*e
37 楼
IBM不看好,完全就是个吃老本的公司。
.
think
【在 a*****1 的大作中提到】
: Last time when he bought BAC, it was around $7.5 in the summer of 2011. At
: the end of that year, BAC was around 5. And you know the rest of the story.
: Don't undermine his ability. The reason stocks drop after he bought is
: mostly because his position is too big and he can never get the bottom.
: His IBM cost averages about $180. If the IBM story unfolds like BAC, I think
: we might have just seen the bottom of IBM.
: I don't have IBM position but good luck to lijuan2.
.
think
【在 a*****1 的大作中提到】
: Last time when he bought BAC, it was around $7.5 in the summer of 2011. At
: the end of that year, BAC was around 5. And you know the rest of the story.
: Don't undermine his ability. The reason stocks drop after he bought is
: mostly because his position is too big and he can never get the bottom.
: His IBM cost averages about $180. If the IBM story unfolds like BAC, I think
: we might have just seen the bottom of IBM.
: I don't have IBM position but good luck to lijuan2.
c*e
40 楼
老巴说他要买Ibm的时候也说了Microsoft很便宜。
从那天起我开始买入Microsoft。
最早的如果拿到今天就不算分红也翻翻了!
可惜拿不住。
.
think
【在 a*****1 的大作中提到】
: Last time when he bought BAC, it was around $7.5 in the summer of 2011. At
: the end of that year, BAC was around 5. And you know the rest of the story.
: Don't undermine his ability. The reason stocks drop after he bought is
: mostly because his position is too big and he can never get the bottom.
: His IBM cost averages about $180. If the IBM story unfolds like BAC, I think
: we might have just seen the bottom of IBM.
: I don't have IBM position but good luck to lijuan2.
从那天起我开始买入Microsoft。
最早的如果拿到今天就不算分红也翻翻了!
可惜拿不住。
.
think
【在 a*****1 的大作中提到】
: Last time when he bought BAC, it was around $7.5 in the summer of 2011. At
: the end of that year, BAC was around 5. And you know the rest of the story.
: Don't undermine his ability. The reason stocks drop after he bought is
: mostly because his position is too big and he can never get the bottom.
: His IBM cost averages about $180. If the IBM story unfolds like BAC, I think
: we might have just seen the bottom of IBM.
: I don't have IBM position but good luck to lijuan2.
h*e
47 楼
AXP这个季度rev 8.4B,其中interest income 1.8B,比去年同期涨7%,但是远低于其它
peer,如chase,这个季度的interest income 3+B. AXP的rev主要来自于non-interest
income,主要是各种fee包括刷卡network fee,这部份收入4.9B,和去年几乎差不多。
AXP的business model还是服务于affluent和travel的customer,以赚interchange fee
为主,这部份收入margin虽然不如interest income,但是风险小,坏帐少。但是近年来
chase sapphire, Barclay arrival等等异军突起,抢走了很多affluent和travel
customer地盘。导致AXP刷卡金额相对去年几乎没有增加,而同期chase的刷卡金额好象
是增加了11%左右。另外去年开始AXP连连丢掉了几个partner, fidelity被us bank抢走
,jetblue被barclay抢走,costco投奔了citi,明年SPG和marriot合并后,说不定SPG也
保不住(marriot现在是chase的partner),这对AXP的rev增长有很负面的影响,虽然AXP
把costco backbook卖给citi好象能拿到1B,但是这个1B如果不能抢到一个新的赚钱的
partner也没啥大用处。我看AXP growth压力很大,最近SPG年费增加就是个佐证。
我觉得AXP应该会反弹一下,但是长线我不太看好。除非今年有什么突破性的举措。另
外几大信用卡公司的总部,或起码是analytical都转移到cost比较低的州了,比如
Delaware,只有AXP死守NYC,cost比别人高一大截,也是挺不明智的。
【在 T******o 的大作中提到】
: 自个研究了一下,是1%everything,2%超市,3%油。然后ml存款5万,bonus 50%, 10万
: ,bonus 75%
peer,如chase,这个季度的interest income 3+B. AXP的rev主要来自于non-interest
income,主要是各种fee包括刷卡network fee,这部份收入4.9B,和去年几乎差不多。
AXP的business model还是服务于affluent和travel的customer,以赚interchange fee
为主,这部份收入margin虽然不如interest income,但是风险小,坏帐少。但是近年来
chase sapphire, Barclay arrival等等异军突起,抢走了很多affluent和travel
customer地盘。导致AXP刷卡金额相对去年几乎没有增加,而同期chase的刷卡金额好象
是增加了11%左右。另外去年开始AXP连连丢掉了几个partner, fidelity被us bank抢走
,jetblue被barclay抢走,costco投奔了citi,明年SPG和marriot合并后,说不定SPG也
保不住(marriot现在是chase的partner),这对AXP的rev增长有很负面的影响,虽然AXP
把costco backbook卖给citi好象能拿到1B,但是这个1B如果不能抢到一个新的赚钱的
partner也没啥大用处。我看AXP growth压力很大,最近SPG年费增加就是个佐证。
我觉得AXP应该会反弹一下,但是长线我不太看好。除非今年有什么突破性的举措。另
外几大信用卡公司的总部,或起码是analytical都转移到cost比较低的州了,比如
Delaware,只有AXP死守NYC,cost比别人高一大截,也是挺不明智的。
【在 T******o 的大作中提到】
: 自个研究了一下,是1%everything,2%超市,3%油。然后ml存款5万,bonus 50%, 10万
: ,bonus 75%
y*r
48 楼
SPG神卡呀。
什么W酒店,St. Regis 随便住爽死了。
interest
fee
AXP
【在 h*e 的大作中提到】
: AXP这个季度rev 8.4B,其中interest income 1.8B,比去年同期涨7%,但是远低于其它
: peer,如chase,这个季度的interest income 3+B. AXP的rev主要来自于non-interest
: income,主要是各种fee包括刷卡network fee,这部份收入4.9B,和去年几乎差不多。
: AXP的business model还是服务于affluent和travel的customer,以赚interchange fee
: 为主,这部份收入margin虽然不如interest income,但是风险小,坏帐少。但是近年来
: chase sapphire, Barclay arrival等等异军突起,抢走了很多affluent和travel
: customer地盘。导致AXP刷卡金额相对去年几乎没有增加,而同期chase的刷卡金额好象
: 是增加了11%左右。另外去年开始AXP连连丢掉了几个partner, fidelity被us bank抢走
: ,jetblue被barclay抢走,costco投奔了citi,明年SPG和marriot合并后,说不定SPG也
: 保不住(marriot现在是chase的partner),这对AXP的rev增长有很负面的影响,虽然AXP
什么W酒店,St. Regis 随便住爽死了。
interest
fee
AXP
【在 h*e 的大作中提到】
: AXP这个季度rev 8.4B,其中interest income 1.8B,比去年同期涨7%,但是远低于其它
: peer,如chase,这个季度的interest income 3+B. AXP的rev主要来自于non-interest
: income,主要是各种fee包括刷卡network fee,这部份收入4.9B,和去年几乎差不多。
: AXP的business model还是服务于affluent和travel的customer,以赚interchange fee
: 为主,这部份收入margin虽然不如interest income,但是风险小,坏帐少。但是近年来
: chase sapphire, Barclay arrival等等异军突起,抢走了很多affluent和travel
: customer地盘。导致AXP刷卡金额相对去年几乎没有增加,而同期chase的刷卡金额好象
: 是增加了11%左右。另外去年开始AXP连连丢掉了几个partner, fidelity被us bank抢走
: ,jetblue被barclay抢走,costco投奔了citi,明年SPG和marriot合并后,说不定SPG也
: 保不住(marriot现在是chase的partner),这对AXP的rev增长有很负面的影响,虽然AXP
T*o
50 楼
interest
fee
AXP
谢谢指点
【在 h*e 的大作中提到】
: AXP这个季度rev 8.4B,其中interest income 1.8B,比去年同期涨7%,但是远低于其它
: peer,如chase,这个季度的interest income 3+B. AXP的rev主要来自于non-interest
: income,主要是各种fee包括刷卡network fee,这部份收入4.9B,和去年几乎差不多。
: AXP的business model还是服务于affluent和travel的customer,以赚interchange fee
: 为主,这部份收入margin虽然不如interest income,但是风险小,坏帐少。但是近年来
: chase sapphire, Barclay arrival等等异军突起,抢走了很多affluent和travel
: customer地盘。导致AXP刷卡金额相对去年几乎没有增加,而同期chase的刷卡金额好象
: 是增加了11%左右。另外去年开始AXP连连丢掉了几个partner, fidelity被us bank抢走
: ,jetblue被barclay抢走,costco投奔了citi,明年SPG和marriot合并后,说不定SPG也
: 保不住(marriot现在是chase的partner),这对AXP的rev增长有很负面的影响,虽然AXP
I*e
52 楼
Buffett‘s true cost of IBM is under 140, after the many years of dividends.
He's not changing his opinion, because
it is nearly a sure bet in 10-20-30 years horizon. Look, the PE ratio is 8.3
, even if the business have a huge
decline, and stabilizes at 1/2 this level then start to recover, it is still
a very solid return.
So, the true question is, will IBM lose all of its earning power, and start
to lose money in a big way?
.
think
【在 a*****1 的大作中提到】
: Last time when he bought BAC, it was around $7.5 in the summer of 2011. At
: the end of that year, BAC was around 5. And you know the rest of the story.
: Don't undermine his ability. The reason stocks drop after he bought is
: mostly because his position is too big and he can never get the bottom.
: His IBM cost averages about $180. If the IBM story unfolds like BAC, I think
: we might have just seen the bottom of IBM.
: I don't have IBM position but good luck to lijuan2.
He's not changing his opinion, because
it is nearly a sure bet in 10-20-30 years horizon. Look, the PE ratio is 8.3
, even if the business have a huge
decline, and stabilizes at 1/2 this level then start to recover, it is still
a very solid return.
So, the true question is, will IBM lose all of its earning power, and start
to lose money in a big way?
.
think
【在 a*****1 的大作中提到】
: Last time when he bought BAC, it was around $7.5 in the summer of 2011. At
: the end of that year, BAC was around 5. And you know the rest of the story.
: Don't undermine his ability. The reason stocks drop after he bought is
: mostly because his position is too big and he can never get the bottom.
: His IBM cost averages about $180. If the IBM story unfolds like BAC, I think
: we might have just seen the bottom of IBM.
: I don't have IBM position but good luck to lijuan2.
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