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t*n2003-06-03 07:06

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There is a linked site devoted to this topic.
http://www.simulation-argument.com/
"Living in a Simulated Universe. John D. Barrow (2003, May), Draft. [pdf]
ABSTRACT. We explain why, if we live in a simulated reality, we might expect
to see occasional glitches and small drifts in the supposed constants and laws
of Nature over time. "
I think this is a good criterion for Neo.
BTW, could the "expanding universe" claimed by astrophysicists actually an
indication that we are simulated.

could

o*e2003-06-03 07:06

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Please read it carefully again.
该文只是说如果是模拟世界,那么(1)可能会"expect to see occasional glitches and
small drifts in the supposed constants and laws of Nature over time. ".
但他没有谈真实世界中(2)是否也如此?
所以,我还是看不出FIGURE OUT的可能.

laws
But

【在 t*******n 的大作中提到】

: There is a linked site devoted to this topic.
: http://www.simulation-argument.com/
: "Living in a Simulated Universe. John D. Barrow (2003, May), Draft. [pdf]
: ABSTRACT. We explain why, if we live in a simulated reality, we might expect
: to see occasional glitches and small drifts in the supposed constants and laws
: of Nature over time. "
: I think this is a good criterion for Neo.
: BTW, could the "expanding universe" claimed by astrophysicists actually an
: indication that we are simulated.
:

n*s2003-06-03 07:06

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You are right, and the author admit "If the simulators don't want us to find
out,
we probably never will" in the end of "the simulaiton argument: why the
probabilith that...".
Now my question is, if we are in simulations, can we also be simulators? If
yes,
then where the computing power from? If it's still from the real world, then
the
infinity sub-simulation will reach the computing power limit. These maybe a
problem for "we are in simulation now".

expect

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: Please read it carefully again.
: 该文只是说如果是模拟世界,那么(1)可能会"expect to see occasional glitches and
: small drifts in the supposed constants and laws of Nature over time. ".
: 但他没有谈真实世界中(2)是否也如此?
: 所以,我还是看不出FIGURE OUT的可能.
:
: laws
: But

t*n2003-06-03 07:06

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On this humans-being-simulators topic, there is Douglas Adams' parody Sci-Fi
work "Hitchhiker's Guide To the Galaxy". I still find this part funny:
Basically, a supercomputer "Deep Thought" calculated for 7.2 million years to
come up with the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and
Everything. It comes up with the answer in a number forty-two. Then aliens
built an even bigger computer to find out what the actual question was. This
computer is Earth, which is mistaken to be

【在 n*********s 的大作中提到】

: You are right, and the author admit "If the simulators don't want us to find
: out,
: we probably never will" in the end of "the simulaiton argument: why the
: probabilith that...".
: Now my question is, if we are in simulations, can we also be simulators? If
: yes,
: then where the computing power from? If it's still from the real world, then
: the
: infinity sub-simulation will reach the computing power limit. These maybe a
: problem for "we are in simulation now".

o*e2003-06-03 07:06

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If you are really interested this question, I strongly recommend you read the
full text of the following article. It is a serious academic paper, but it is
interesting and not difficult to read. I don't think the levels of simulation
can be infinite, but nobody (even if he is in the highest level, which is the
real world) will be sure if he is in the real world.
The logic is here:
The day when you think you can simulate human beings is the day you have to
admitt that you are very likely to be a

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o*e2003-06-03 07:06

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No. If we cannot simulate human beings, some deductions are:
1. We haven't reached that stage yet, although the fact is we will;
2. The fact is simulation of human being is impossible (in other words, the
maximum level is 0), we must be in the real world.
3. We have reached the lowest level.
But how could you know which one is true? No, we could not.

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