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m*m2002-08-06 07:08

1 楼

Anyone play with this before? want give some opinion?
Just found out this something interesting to play with.
if you want to run your windows and program in unix enviroment a bit, without
worry too much about sysadmin this looks so conveient. no vmware, no dualboot.
website": cygwin.com

X*r2002-08-06 07:08

2 楼

It is very interesting and convenient to use. However, since it finally has to
translate system calls into Windows APIs, it is sometimes very slow, e.g. when
run shell scripts.
I used cygwin mostly as an X server, since it comes with a ported version
of XFree86. See, I have DSL installed in my home, so I'd use really *nix
in my office remotely :)

【在 m***m 的大作中提到】

: Anyone play with this before? want give some opinion?
: Just found out this something interesting to play with.
: if you want to run your windows and program in unix enviroment a bit, without
: worry too much about sysadmin this looks so conveient. no vmware, no dualboot.
: website": cygwin.com

m*m2002-08-06 07:08

3 楼

Thanks for your comments. Especially the X server idea really solve a problem
that troubled me for a while.

to
when
without
dualboot.

【在 X****r 的大作中提到】

: It is very interesting and convenient to use. However, since it finally has to
: translate system calls into Windows APIs, it is sometimes very slow, e.g. when
: run shell scripts.
: I used cygwin mostly as an X server, since it comes with a ported version
: of XFree86. See, I have DSL installed in my home, so I'd use really *nix
: in my office remotely :)

p*k2002-08-06 07:08

4 楼

Cygwin is not reliable enough at this time though, I often have
xterms hang during exit and have to kill -9.
Another problem is "copy and paste" between cygwin and native windows
apps, xwinclip is far from stable yet ...
If u are mainly interested in Xserver, VNC is better if u have a
decent connection since it is stateless. Just my 2 c.

【在 m***m 的大作中提到】

: Thanks for your comments. Especially the X server idea really solve a problem
: that troubled me for a while.
:
: to
: when
: without
: dualboot.

m*m2002-08-06 07:08

5 楼

actually I need help people to set up a lab with windows client machine
connect to the solaris server to display weather data using Mcidas.
But we have problem with exceed, hopefully this one will work out.

【在 p****k 的大作中提到】

: Cygwin is not reliable enough at this time though, I often have
: xterms hang during exit and have to kill -9.
: Another problem is "copy and paste" between cygwin and native windows
: apps, xwinclip is far from stable yet ...
: If u are mainly interested in Xserver, VNC is better if u have a
: decent connection since it is stateless. Just my 2 c.

c*e2002-08-06 07:08

6 楼

If you just want a X server, there're several other tool more effective than
the Xfree86 came with the latest Cygwin.
My opinion's that CYGWIN is much much more than a X server. It provides
a virtual UNIX like platform for lot of UNIX based tools which are more
convenient than those of Windows based. In my case, I use cron, YoSucker,
Fetchmail to check all my mailboxes periodly. I setup a sshd on my machine,
so I can access my working machine from home, even it's a windows machine.
I debug and

【在 m***m 的大作中提到】

: Anyone play with this before? want give some opinion?
: Just found out this something interesting to play with.
: if you want to run your windows and program in unix enviroment a bit, without
: worry too much about sysadmin this looks so conveient. no vmware, no dualboot.
: website": cygwin.com

n*t2002-08-06 07:08

7 楼

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
better than outlook?
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perl can be done natively under windows.

【在 c*****e 的大作中提到】

:
: If you just want a X server, there're several other tool more effective than
: the Xfree86 came with the latest Cygwin.
: My opinion's that CYGWIN is much much more than a X server. It provides
: a virtual UNIX like platform for lot of UNIX based tools which are more
: convenient than those of Windows based. In my case, I use cron, YoSucker,
: Fetchmail to check all my mailboxes periodly. I setup a sshd on my machine,
: so I can access my working machine from home, even it's a windows machine.
: I debug and

m*m2002-08-06 07:08

8 楼

I need setup a lab for teaching, the user is not me, they are undergraduate
student, and i have to configure everything as automatic as possible.
just run into problem with CYGWIN, the cxterm doesn't compile there.
It's good to know it even can setup system daemon like sshd. let me try try.

【在 c*****e 的大作中提到】

:
: If you just want a X server, there're several other tool more effective than
: the Xfree86 came with the latest Cygwin.
: My opinion's that CYGWIN is much much more than a X server. It provides
: a virtual UNIX like platform for lot of UNIX based tools which are more
: convenient than those of Windows based. In my case, I use cron, YoSucker,
: Fetchmail to check all my mailboxes periodly. I setup a sshd on my machine,
: so I can access my working machine from home, even it's a windows machine.
: I debug and

c*e2002-08-06 07:08

9 楼

definitely, YoSucker can retrieve the mails to your localhost from
Yahoo accounts without paying their yearly fee. Outlook can't.
For perl, maybe you're right, how about shell scripts? how can you rename
1000 files' with one line command? How can you replace special strings
in 1000 files with one line command.

【在 n******t 的大作中提到】

:
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: better than outlook?
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: perl can be done natively under windows.

c*e2002-08-06 07:08

10 楼

Why Cxterm? Are you going to teach them Chinese?
I don't compile new programs under CYGWIN very ofen.
Sometime it'll cause lot of compiling problems.
CYGWIN has lot of daemons, inetd, telnet, ftp,
talk, rlogin, cron etc. and even a
simplfied ssmtp program to send emails.

【在 m***m 的大作中提到】

: I need setup a lab for teaching, the user is not me, they are undergraduate
: student, and i have to configure everything as automatic as possible.
: just run into problem with CYGWIN, the cxterm doesn't compile there.
: It's good to know it even can setup system daemon like sshd. let me try try.

c*e2002-08-06 07:08

11 楼

I have used the XFree86 server came with Cygwin, it's a little bit slow.
the following link listed several Xservers for Windows, you may want to
check them out.
http://fourier.haystack.edu/XServers.html

【在 m***m 的大作中提到】

: actually I need help people to set up a lab with windows client machine
: connect to the solaris server to display weather data using Mcidas.
: But we have problem with exceed, hopefully this one will work out.

o*z2002-08-06 07:08

12 楼

did you try to enable XDMCP? i think it's as automatic as possible
i usually use xwin32 to connect my dept sun machine using XDMCP
although security may be a problem

【在 m***m 的大作中提到】

: I need setup a lab for teaching, the user is not me, they are undergraduate
: student, and i have to configure everything as automatic as possible.
: just run into problem with CYGWIN, the cxterm doesn't compile there.
: It's good to know it even can setup system daemon like sshd. let me try try.

o*z2002-08-06 07:08

13 楼

great! can they delete retrieved mails from the yahoo server?
that problem troubled me all the time

【在 c*****e 的大作中提到】

:
: I have used the XFree86 server came with Cygwin, it's a little bit slow.
: the following link listed several Xservers for Windows, you may want to
: check them out.
: http://fourier.haystack.edu/XServers.html

c*e2002-08-06 07:08

14 楼

Sure it does, try to find it from http://yosucker.sourceforge.net/

【在 o***z 的大作中提到】

:
: great! can they delete retrieved mails from the yahoo server?
: that problem troubled me all the time

o*z2002-08-06 07:08

15 楼

thanks, it works great

【在 c*****e 的大作中提到】

:
: Sure it does, try to find it from http://yosucker.sourceforge.net/

c*e2002-08-06 07:08

16 楼

It's OK. But I would suggest you to keep the mails at server, and
manully remove them. 'Coz I experienced several times that it corrupts
some big mails in Chinese. So keep a copy at server is a safer way.

【在 o***z 的大作中提到】

: thanks, it works great

n*t2002-08-06 07:08

17 楼

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That is a special case. I mean from the integration point
, although outlook itsself is a soso software, but
under windows, it is still hard to overcome.
For mails, I use outlook, I do not have yahoo account.
If you have, you can use emacs+gnus, very good mail reader.
皛~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
in fact ,windows havee script language.
Just fe

【在 c*****e 的大作中提到】

: It's OK. But I would suggest you to keep the mails at server, and
: manully remove them. 'Coz I experienced several times that it corrupts
: some big mails in Chinese. So keep a copy at server is a safer way.

n*t2002-08-06 07:08

18 楼

I do not know why these guys are focused on those
crappy GUI stuff rather than give a better support
on those basic posix api. All the signal related
API are problematic, even fork have very different
behaviour from UNIX platforms.
As for XFree, it is no match for windows
even in its native platform, how can one expect it
to outperform windows on CYgWin?

【在 p****k 的大作中提到】

: Cygwin is not reliable enough at this time though, I often have
: xterms hang during exit and have to kill -9.
: Another problem is "copy and paste" between cygwin and native windows
: apps, xwinclip is far from stable yet ...
: If u are mainly interested in Xserver, VNC is better if u have a
: decent connection since it is stateless. Just my 2 c.

o*z2002-08-06 07:08

19 楼

yahoo mail was very good for its free pop service
now i can use yosucker to retrieve yahoo mails to my linux imaps server
and still read them by outlook express as before
too few books are on windows script

【在 n******t 的大作中提到】

: I do not know why these guys are focused on those
: crappy GUI stuff rather than give a better support
: on those basic posix api. All the signal related
: API are problematic, even fork have very different
: behaviour from UNIX platforms.
: As for XFree, it is no match for windows
: even in its native platform, how can one expect it
: to outperform windows on CYgWin?

c*e2002-08-06 07:08

20 楼

I agree with you, this is a special case for me. That's why I said
Cygwin is a powerful tool rather than a Windows replacement.
I actually use my current machine running IMAP server so I can read my email
without retrieving them from the server again and again.
Cygwin is a UNIX like platform, so it can run lot of useful tools from UNIX
guys' skill onto WINDOWS more easily.
There're lot of tools such as emacs, pine, wget, TCP daemons have porting
versions for WINDOWS. But don't you think to inte

【在 n******t 的大作中提到】

: I do not know why these guys are focused on those
: crappy GUI stuff rather than give a better support
: on those basic posix api. All the signal related
: API are problematic, even fork have very different
: behaviour from UNIX platforms.
: As for XFree, it is no match for windows
: even in its native platform, how can one expect it
: to outperform windows on CYgWin?

i*e2002-08-06 07:08

21 楼

Yeah Gnus is a very good news and mail reader. But it will take you
a while to set it up and custmize it to your preferences. But once
you've got it done, you'll never want to use other email client. It's
so damn powerful and convenient. I've been using Emacs+Gnus for half
a year. I love it.

【在 n******t 的大作中提到】

: I do not know why these guys are focused on those
: crappy GUI stuff rather than give a better support
: on those basic posix api. All the signal related
: API are problematic, even fork have very different
: behaviour from UNIX platforms.
: As for XFree, it is no match for windows
: even in its native platform, how can one expect it
: to outperform windows on CYgWin?