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S*g2014-08-24 07:08

1 楼

Racially discriminated at Rink's Gun & Sport near Chicago Illinois

dengdengdeng
发表于 2014-8-24 09:42
Yesterday I took my in laws to Rink's Gun & Sport. I want to introduce
shooting this very American sport to them.
I walked in and ask to use the range, the front cash register clerk pointed
me to a register near the range door.
There the clerk asked me if I want to use the range and I answered yes.
I took out my wallet and ready to pay, my wife walked in with my kids and
asked me in Chinese: “孩子要peepee，你问问厕所在哪里 (Kids want to peepee,
please ask the clerk where the restroom is.”
Totally unexpected, the clerk yelled at my wife: "English Only！”
“what？？？” Me and my wife were shocked and looked at him, kids were
scared。
I said：“I can speak whatever language with my family."
The clerk said in a very rude tone: "Not in my store."
I said: "You want English? I have an English word for you, FUCK YOU!"
The clerk said: "Fuck you."
The manager heard our argument and asked me what happened.
I explained what happened, and the manager said: "This is America, you need
to speak English. It's our policy, it’s on the door."
I said:" I am American and I can speak whatever language I want to speak,
especially with my family."
...
Kids are scared and my in laws are very nervous. Me and my wife were really
mad.
We walked out and look at the policy and I took a picture.
I told the manager, I will let my lawyer talk to him, this is not ending
like this.
After coming back, I talked with some friends who knows the law, apparently
the chance to win is quite small if I go to court.
But I have been thinking, what if I bring someone who is deaf, who only use
sign language, so this deaf can't be in their store?
Someone like my mother in law who is American citizen but speak very little
English, can't be in their store with a translator?
My kids are scared and got the impression speaking Chinese is going to
getting them in trouble, I now need to take them to see counseling. I always
told them Dad is very proud to speak three languages English, Chinese, and
Russian. And I hope them to be bilingual at least and maybe speak three or
more languages.
My fellow brothers and sisters, anyone with legal experience, please help me
with advice.
Even with small chance to win, I am taking them to court.
I am going to show them who is the real American.

h*n2014-08-24 07:08

2 楼

总结一下坑王的潜台词，请坑王澄清
因为红脖子和华人不是同心同德一家人
因为红脖子都有枪
所以华人不要有枪，以示清高。华夷之别嘛

pointed

【在 S*********g 的大作中提到】

: Racially discriminated at Rink's Gun & Sport near Chicago Illinois
:
: dengdengdeng
: 发表于 2014-8-24 09:42
: Yesterday I took my in laws to Rink's Gun & Sport. I want to introduce
: shooting this very American sport to them.
: I walked in and ask to use the range, the front cash register clerk pointed
: me to a register near the range door.
: There the clerk asked me if I want to use the range and I answered yes.
: I took out my wallet and ready to pay, my wife walked in with my kids and

S*n2014-08-24 07:08

3 楼

你丫跟枪版的神经病交流太多了，连这都没读懂。原贴都是英文，却说他讲中文被禁止
。靶场的House rule就是那样。

【在 h*********n 的大作中提到】

: 总结一下坑王的潜台词，请坑王澄清
: 因为红脖子和华人不是同心同德一家人
: 因为红脖子都有枪
: 所以华人不要有枪，以示清高。华夷之别嘛
:
: pointed

k*a2014-08-24 07:08

4 楼

加入枪版的神经病们能振作一下一起去端了那个枪店，倒能把他们当人看一回

【在 S*******n 的大作中提到】

: 你丫跟枪版的神经病交流太多了，连这都没读懂。原贴都是英文，却说他讲中文被禁止
: 。靶场的House rule就是那样。

h*r2014-08-24 07:08

5 楼

Well, a store is a private property. Basically, the owners can set up
whatever rules they want.
However, these rules cannot be conflicting with federal regulations, etc. I'
m not sure how this situation could be handled well. Consult a lawyer and
see if that 'English only' sign might be taken out or something.

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n*12014-08-24 07:08

6 楼

stupid trouble maker, just follow their policy.
If I'm clerk, I may shoot your face at spot.

n*h2014-08-24 07:08

7 楼

you are such a jerk

【在 n******1 的大作中提到】

: stupid trouble maker, just follow their policy.
: If I'm clerk, I may shoot your face at spot.

L*y2014-08-24 07:08

8 楼

This is clearly a race discrimination.
The clerk does not care who the chinese are, as long as they are chinese.
I do not know how you can laugh.

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k*o2014-08-24 07:08

9 楼

Absolutely not, it's a place open for business, that means it's a
public place. Public places have anti-discrimination laws. For example,
you can make a rule that blacks are not allowed to enter your home,
but you can't make a rule that blacks are not allowed to enter your
store (that is open for business).

I'

【在 h**********r 的大作中提到】

: Well, a store is a private property. Basically, the owners can set up
: whatever rules they want.
: However, these rules cannot be conflicting with federal regulations, etc. I'
: m not sure how this situation could be handled well. Consult a lawyer and
: see if that 'English only' sign might be taken out or something.
:
: pointed

s*i2014-08-24 07:08

10 楼

没看其他评论，仅看贴回复我的看法，射击场是特殊场地，有武器，所以为了所有人的
安全起见，可能有这样特殊的要求，被提醒了，照做就是，不是事事都争个你非我直。
谦虚美德，不仅表现在不自骄，也表现在虚心接受别人的意见和建议。

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k*r2014-08-24 07:08

11 楼

是坑吗？挖坑死全家。
有法律背景的人给些意见，说不定下次就是你也遇到。楼主有后续记得更新/。

h*r2014-08-24 07:08

12 楼

Please search and gain good evidence before saying "absolutely not". :-)
There are three different levels of private property:
1- Closed to the public ~ This would be your Home or your farm/car/boat/
backyard/attic/etc. These spaces are truly private property. It includes
anything you own that the public may not have access to without your
permission. DON’T confuse #1 Private property with #2 or#3. Things change
when you are running a business, especially a Large corporation.
2. Limited access to public ~ This would be defined as exactly what its
listed as: Limited access to the public. A “my way or the highway” stance
is acceptable in this kind of business. Normally this kind of business/area/
event would be a private club, a private store, a private group, or a paid
membership store (like SAMS Club for instance). Basically a place/area/store
that “allows the public” to enter/join/use its products or services as
long as you agree to follow the rules that are set. Sometimes, those rules
say no weapons and you have the choice to accept those rules or not join.
3. Private property that is open to the general public. [public (private)
property] ~ Normally, these places allow just about anyone in – a sort of
open door policy – although they are technically private property. By “
open door policy, I’m referring to places like Wal-Mart, Starbucks, and
just about any retail outlet and restaurant.

【在 k**o 的大作中提到】

: Absolutely not, it's a place open for business, that means it's a
: public place. Public places have anti-discrimination laws. For example,
: you can make a rule that blacks are not allowed to enter your home,
: but you can't make a rule that blacks are not allowed to enter your
: store (that is open for business).
:
: I'

S*n2014-08-24 07:08

13 楼

public你个p
别不懂装懂了

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c*e2014-08-24 07:08

14 楼

SB

【在 n******1 的大作中提到】

: stupid trouble maker, just follow their policy.
: If I'm clerk, I may shoot your face at spot.

k*o2014-08-24 07:08

15 楼

你贴的这个跟我说的完全是一个意思，就是#3，这就是public place
3. Private property that is open to the general public. [public (private)
property] ~ Normally, these places allow just about anyone in – a sort of
open door policy – although they are technically private property. By “
open door policy, I’m referring to places like Wal-Mart, Starbucks, and
just about any retail outlet and restaurant.
这种允许任何人进的的地方，就是public place，是不允许有任何歧视性
政策的。比如Walmart说，讲中文的不允许进入，第二天就肯定被告了。
这个public gun range是一个道理，不能这么规定。

stance
area/

【在 h**********r 的大作中提到】

: Please search and gain good evidence before saying "absolutely not". :-)
: There are three different levels of private property:
: 1- Closed to the public ~ This would be your Home or your farm/car/boat/
: backyard/attic/etc. These spaces are truly private property. It includes
: anything you own that the public may not have access to without your
: permission. DON’T confuse #1 Private property with #2 or#3. Things change
: when you are running a business, especially a Large corporation.
: 2. Limited access to public ~ This would be defined as exactly what its
: listed as: Limited access to the public. A “my way or the highway” stance
: is acceptable in this kind of business. Normally this kind of business/area/

n*g2014-08-24 07:08

16 楼

大致合理．但是
1，特殊场合会有特殊情况和规定
2，不要拿walmart这些大店和一个Ｐ大的小店比较．同样发生一件事情……
在 walmart，律师会说不要钱帮你打官司事后分账；
在一个小Ｐ店，你拿钱请律师帮你打官司人家都看不上眼；
3，起因就是Ｐ大个事情，被俩活宝越搞越热闹，被大伙看热闹了

change

【在 k**o 的大作中提到】

: 你贴的这个跟我说的完全是一个意思，就是#3，这就是public place
: 3. Private property that is open to the general public. [public (private)
: property] ~ Normally, these places allow just about anyone in – a sort of
: open door policy – although they are technically private property. By “
: open door policy, I’m referring to places like Wal-Mart, Starbucks, and
: just about any retail outlet and restaurant.
: 这种允许任何人进的的地方，就是public place，是不允许有任何歧视性
: 政策的。比如Walmart说，讲中文的不允许进入，第二天就肯定被告了。
: 这个public gun range是一个道理，不能这么规定。
:

n*g2014-08-24 07:08

17 楼

是滴．解决冲突要有点智慧，不是搬出法律搞得你死我活下不了台．

【在 s*******i 的大作中提到】

: 没看其他评论，仅看贴回复我的看法，射击场是特殊场地，有武器，所以为了所有人的
: 安全起见，可能有这样特殊的要求，被提醒了，照做就是，不是事事都争个你非我直。
: 谦虚美德，不仅表现在不自骄，也表现在虚心接受别人的意见和建议。
:
: pointed

n*12014-08-24 07:08

18 楼

the policy is "English Only", means they will ban not only Chinese, may also
ban Spanish, french, etc....
so don't feel offended so easy, and always want fight fight fight like a
chicken, like fight at home was not enough, so stupid......

m*p2014-08-24 07:08

19 楼

玩枪碰到了美国铁杆持枪的核心（种族歧视排外未受教育的白垃圾），有什么奇怪。

h*n2014-08-24 07:08

20 楼

你这个逻辑也很有意思，俨然“因为对手不吃屎，所以我们要吃屎的变种”

【在 m*******p 的大作中提到】

: 玩枪碰到了美国铁杆持枪的核心（种族歧视排外未受教育的白垃圾），有什么奇怪。

h*r2014-08-24 07:08

21 楼

Look at item #2.

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A*a2014-08-24 07:08

22 楼

不是坑王编出来糟践买卖提枪友的吧？

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z*h2014-08-24 07:08

23 楼

不是坑，原帖在这里
http://qiangyou.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=18778&extr

k*o2014-08-24 07:08

24 楼

#2不符合，因为不是会员制，这个显然是个public range，就是常见的
枪店+range模式。

【在 h**********r 的大作中提到】

: Look at item #2.

i*y2014-08-24 07:08

25 楼

枪店私人所有，如果它就是不欢迎人说外语，而不针对某一种族，这个很难从法律上说
构成歧视。关键是当时店员是否真的对事主的妻儿大声呼喝。这种荷枪实弹的地方，外
人对自己的老婆孩子用威胁的口气叫喊，没有人能够容忍。事主应该以此让店主道歉。
但事主选择当着老婆孩子跟对方骂架很不可取。

pointed

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u*e2014-08-24 07:08

26 楼

红脖给红脖wannabe上了一课。。。

D*n2014-08-24 07:08

27 楼

“A gun store is nothing special, just like a Walmart store.
Actually Walmart is the number one gun seller in America.
It is open to public, anybody can walk in and do business with them.
Therefore it violated Public Accommodation law.
This is confirmed by several lawyers.
想象一个中餐馆在美国有policy：”中文only，我们不懂别的语言，你们可能在讨论恐
怖袭击。“
而且，他们可以礼貌的解释这个policy，但是他们故意用充满敌意和歧视的语气叫喊。
他们只是想用这个policy做借口来insult他们不喜欢的种族。
Google review上另一个人给他爸爸当翻译也被歧视骚扰。”

【在 i*******y 的大作中提到】

: 枪店私人所有，如果它就是不欢迎人说外语，而不针对某一种族，这个很难从法律上说
: 构成歧视。关键是当时店员是否真的对事主的妻儿大声呼喝。这种荷枪实弹的地方，外
: 人对自己的老婆孩子用威胁的口气叫喊，没有人能够容忍。事主应该以此让店主道歉。
: 但事主选择当着老婆孩子跟对方骂架很不可取。
:
: pointed

m*p2014-08-24 07:08

28 楼

exactly. red neck wannabe 回头再去歧视其他少数民族。

【在 u*********e 的大作中提到】

: 红脖给红脖wannabe上了一课。。。

h*r2014-08-24 07:08

29 楼

You'd better try harder on your logics. It's NOT that #2 include ONLY those
stores with memberships - a member-only store is just one example. There are
private stores open to public that have their specific store policies.

【在 k**o 的大作中提到】

: #2不符合，因为不是会员制，这个显然是个public range，就是常见的
: 枪店+range模式。

k*o2014-08-24 07:08

30 楼

What the hell are you talking about? define "private store", how are they
"private" if they are open to the public without membership? They are
"privately owned", but is a public place, since they are open to the public.

those
are

【在 h**********r 的大作中提到】

: You'd better try harder on your logics. It's NOT that #2 include ONLY those
: stores with memberships - a member-only store is just one example. There are
: private stores open to public that have their specific store policies.

E*a2014-08-24 07:08

31 楼

Well "privately owned" means you (the customer) can enter only because the
owner allows you to. The owner can deny you access at any time, without any
reason...
That being said, this privately owned range is also a business. There must
be laws and regulations that govern this type of business. I'm not sure if
there is anything that says a range owner cannot deny someone's access based
on what language they speak in the range.

public.

【在 k**o 的大作中提到】

: What the hell are you talking about? define "private store", how are they
: "private" if they are open to the public without membership? They are
: "privately owned", but is a public place, since they are open to the public.
:
: those
: are

k*o2014-08-24 07:08

32 楼

No, a business that is open to the public, without membership,
is considered PUBLIC PLACE. There are federal laws and also
state laws in this country, and the law (ie Civil Rights Act of 1964),
says They CAN NOT selectively deny entry/service based on RACE,
LANGUAGE, RELIGION, GENDER, NATIONAL ORIGIN etc...
So no, they can not deny without any reason. A lawful/valid reason
must be provided in order to not be charged with discrimination.
Only private club/store that are strictly membership based are exempt.

any
based

【在 E***a 的大作中提到】

: Well "privately owned" means you (the customer) can enter only because the
: owner allows you to. The owner can deny you access at any time, without any
: reason...
: That being said, this privately owned range is also a business. There must
: be laws and regulations that govern this type of business. I'm not sure if
: there is anything that says a range owner cannot deny someone's access based
: on what language they speak in the range.
:
: public.