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Mona Simpson: A Sister’s Eulogy for Steve Jobs

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T*w2011-10-30 07:10

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听说国内我以前好几个朋友常年在外面喝啤酒吃火锅年纪轻轻整出痛风来了，。。开
始还不信，最近半年我保持每天一瓶啤
酒，结果发现手肘，手长关节，开始有酸痛的感觉，有点想office 用电脑久的那种
感觉（但其实并不是）。。。。
停止喝啤酒以后，所有这些现象全部消失了。。。呵呵。。看来集中累积吃一样东西
果然对身体不好。。
供大家参考。。。
下面还有刚收集的数据摘要, 一句话：喝啤酒和吃金枪鱼差不多。。...
研究結果顯示，各種酒類中以紹興酒的嘌呤含量最高59.99ug/ml、其次是台灣生
啤酒42. 84ug/ml，蒸餾酒的嘌呤為最低，其嘌呤的含量接近0。若以嘌呤/酒精
的ratio來看，以啤酒類的ratio最高，其次為紹興酒、混成酒、蒸餾酒最低，
攝取相同的酒精重量，則以啤酒類攝取嘌呤的量最高。
还有：食物表：（喜欢吃海鲜，喝啤酒的童鞋要注意了。）
(嘌呤(mg)/100g 食物)
食物名称嘌呤食物名称嘌呤食物名称嘌呤
面粉 17.1 小米 6.1 大米 18.1
大豆 27.0 核桃 8.4 栗子 16.4
花生 33.4 洋葱 1.4 南瓜 2.8
黄瓜 3.3 番茄 4.2 青葱 4.7
白菜 5.0 菠菜 23.0 土豆 5.6
胡萝卜 8.0 芹菜 10.3 青菜叶 14.5
菜花 20.0 杏子 0.1 葡萄 0.5
梨 0.9 苹果 0.9 橙 1.9
果酱 1.9 牛奶 1.4 鸡蛋 0.4
牛肉 40.0 羊肉 27.0 母鸡 25~31
鹅 33.0 猪肉 48.0 小牛肉 48
肺 70.0 肾 80.0 肝 95.0
桂鱼肉 24.0 枪鱼 45.0 沙丁鱼 295
蜂蜜 3.2 胰 825.0 凤尾鱼 363
豆腐(盒裝)2.0~3.7
傳統豆腐 5.4~7.4
豆乾 61~73
豆腐乳 45~55

c*h2011-10-30 07:10

2 楼

网上填以前citi card信息怎么都通不过，哪位达人知道有申请电话么。打citi客服说
只有3w，唉

x*o2011-10-30 07:10

3 楼

明天的飞机票回国探亲，今天医生建议要动一个小手术，要在离开之前做。那就意味着
要推迟机票，履行，一家三口要多少钱？怎么办？
有没有好的建议？谢谢

m*32011-10-30 07:10

4 楼

7／24／07 tsc
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器

w*r2011-10-30 07:10

5 楼

【以下文字转载自 LeisureTime 讨论区】
发信人: didong (心与物游), 信区: LeisureTime
标题: 三月雨声细，樱花雪未干：略说《细雪》
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jun 28 00:19:12 2012, 美东)
《细雪》 1983年东宝映画五十周年庆典剧
看过市川昆的《金阁寺》和《古都》的人都知道他有改编文学名著的偏好。用镜头语言
把作品中人对极致之美迷恋的幻像和感触传达出来，最重要是要收起匠气，拍得悄无声
息、没有痕迹，表达却是轰轰烈烈的。
由于用的都是美丽不可方物的知名女优，镜头很多特写，演员很多时候就是一个大头、
眼睁睁对着镜头说话表情，群戏里走位和构图都很工整，因为是30、40年代的日本人本
来都是被礼仪包裹着的，情节中又有本门家风的设定，所以缓慢的、仪式感强的动作和
语言也都合乎影片的节奏。出现了多次的相亲镜头，最后成的那次除了吉永小百合抬了
眼睛看着对方一定神、让我们感到她心动了之外，倒不是最好的；最好的一次是那次在
中式圆桌的包间里，让我不得不佩服导演讲故事的能力和场面调度、情绪掌控能力，每
个人说话的次序、内容，符合他们的身份、性格和当时的环境，最后把气氛擂翻的男主
、尽管是遗人笑柄、但也是情理之中的，足见作品对生活的观察细微和体认深刻。
此剧摹写一个商人后裔四姐妹在一年中发生的流水往事，从春天赏樱到秋天赏枫叶，最
后大姐姐告别了老屋、随夫婿去东京，火车开时，纷纷下起了细雪。几场室外的戏都太
美了，算是做到了情景交融。开始的那个饱满的远景中，黛墨色的山前一座桥像一条白
练穿过镜头，穿和服的人打着伞在桥上匆匆，近处是摇曳的枝头满满盈盈的樱花，将落
未落之时。
另外，剧中的一切都是以美为最高要求的，除了美人美景，居室、家具、器皿、服装都
是美轮美奂。让我想起了后来拍的《大奥》，都是在当时条件下拿出最美的排场。
中心情节虽然也揪人心，也有生死出走，但和很多大师电影一样，片子主要的缘起是一
种情绪，喜爱到极致的情绪，在这种情绪中，情节都弱化了，四姐妹的命运，似乎已经
随她们的性格已经定型了一样，一切都只是时间问题，只是观众在等待，但情绪是波动
的，层层递增，家族家乡、姐妹亲情、爱恨取舍都在其中了。另外有一点可喜，也看得
出导演的用心之处，就是对绝对次要的小配角，大姐家和二姐家一老一小两个下女的刻
画，着墨不多，却委实可爱，和主人比起来，那种急匆匆的满头大汗的样子，一点也不
觉得是可怜，是心心念念兢兢业业的可爱。和《天水围的日与夜》一样，这里露出了阶
级差别却不强调它的对立，强势的那一方也同样是感恩知谢的。
电影设定是1938年。让我不爽的是，说到战事的时候，他们说到打下了苏州、杭州，还
拿下了汉口，似乎是很快人心的捷报，我x。

l*t2011-10-30 07:10

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/30/opinion/mona-simpsons-eulogy-
A Sister's Eulogy for Steve Jobs
I grew up as an only child, with a single mother. Because we were poor and
because I knew my father had emigrated from Syria, I imagined he looked like
Omar Sharif. I hoped he would be rich and kind and would come into our
lives (and our not yet furnished apartment) and help us. Later, after I’d
met my father, I tried to believe he’d changed his number and left no
forwarding address because he was an idealistic revolutionary, plotting a
new world for the Arab people.
Even as a feminist, my whole life I’d been waiting for a man to love, who
could love me. For decades, I’d thought that man would be my father. When I
was 25, I met that man and he was my brother.
By then, I lived in New York, where I was trying to write my first novel. I
had a job at a small magazine in an office the size of a closet, with three
other aspiring writers. When one day a lawyer called me — me, the middle-
class girl from California who hassled the boss to buy us health insurance
— and said his client was rich and famous and was my long-lost brother, the
young editors went wild. This was 1985 and we worked at a cutting-edge
literary magazine, but I’d fallen into the plot of a Dickens novel and
really, we all loved those best. The lawyer refused to tell me my brother’s
name and my colleagues started a betting pool. The leading candidate: John
Travolta. I secretly hoped for a literary descendant of Henry James —
someone more talented than I, someone brilliant without even trying.
When I met Steve, he was a guy my age in jeans, Arab- or Jewish-looking and
handsomer than Omar Sharif.
We took a long walk — something, it happened, that we both liked to do. I
don’t remember much of what we said that first day, only that he felt like
someone I’d pick to be a friend. He explained that he worked in computers.
I didn’t know much about computers. I still worked on a manual Olivetti
typewriter.
I told Steve I’d recently considered my first purchase of a computer:
something called the Cromemco.
Steve told me it was a good thing I’d waited. He said he was making
something that was going to be insanely beautiful.
I want to tell you a few things I learned from Steve, during three distinct
periods, over the 27 years I knew him. They’re not periods of years, but of
states of being. His full life. His illness. His dying.
Steve worked at what he loved. He worked really hard. Every day.
That’s incredibly simple, but true.
He was the opposite of absent-minded.
He was never embarrassed about working hard, even if the results were
failures. If someone as smart as Steve wasn’t ashamed to admit trying,
maybe I didn’t have to be.
When he got kicked out of Apple, things were painful. He told me about a
dinner at which 500 Silicon Valley leaders met the then-sitting president.
Steve hadn’t been invited.
He was hurt but he still went to work at Next. Every single day.
Novelty was not Steve’s highest value. Beauty was.
For an innovator, Steve was remarkably loyal. If he loved a shirt, he’d
order 10 or 100 of them. In the Palo Alto house, there are probably enough
black cotton turtlenecks for everyone in this church.
He didn’t favor trends or gimmicks. He liked people his own age.
His philosophy of aesthetics reminds me of a quote that went something like
this: “Fashion is what seems beautiful now but looks ugly later; art can be
ugly at first but it becomes beautiful later.”
Steve always aspired to make beautiful later.
He was willing to be misunderstood.
Uninvited to the ball, he drove the third or fourth iteration of his same
black sports car to Next, where he and his team were quietly inventing the
platform on which Tim Berners-Lee would write the program for the World Wide
Web.
Steve was like a girl in the amount of time he spent talking about love.
Love was his supreme virtue, his god of gods. He tracked and worried about
the romantic lives of the people working with him.
Whenever he saw a man he thought a woman might find dashing, he called out,
“Hey are you single? Do you wanna come to dinner with my sister?”
I remember when he phoned the day he met Laurene. “There’s this beautiful
woman and she’s really smart and she has this dog and I’m going to marry
her.”
When Reed was born, he began gushing and never stopped. He was a physical
dad, with each of his children. He fretted over Lisa’s boyfriends and Erin
’s travel and skirt lengths and Eve’s safety around the horses she adored.
None of us who attended Reed’s graduation party will ever forget the scene
of Reed and Steve slow dancing.
His abiding love for Laurene sustained him. He believed that love happened
all the time, everywhere. In that most important way, Steve was never ironic
, never cynical, never pessimistic. I try to learn from that, still.
Steve had been successful at a young age, and he felt that had isolated him.
Most of the choices he made from the time I knew him were designed to
dissolve the walls around him. A middle-class boy from Los Altos, he fell in
love with a middle-class girl from New Jersey. It was important to both of
them to raise Lisa, Reed, Erin and Eve as grounded, normal children. Their
house didn’t intimidate with art or polish; in fact, for many of the first
years I knew Steve and Lo together, dinner was served on the grass, and
sometimes consisted of just one vegetable. Lots of that one vegetable. But
one. Broccoli. In season. Simply prepared. With the just the right, recently
snipped, herb.
Even as a young millionaire, Steve always picked me up at the airport. He’d
be standing there in his jeans.
When a family member called him at work, his secretary Linetta answered, “
Your dad’s in a meeting. Would you like me to interrupt him?”
When Reed insisted on dressing up as a witch every Halloween, Steve, Laurene
, Erin and Eve all went wiccan.
They once embarked on a kitchen remodel; it took years. They cooked on a
hotplate in the garage. The Pixar building, under construction during the
same period, finished in half the time. And that was it for the Palo Alto
house. The bathrooms stayed old. But — and this was a crucial distinction
— it had been a great house to start with; Steve saw to that.
This is not to say that he didn’t enjoy his success: he enjoyed his success
a lot, just minus a few zeros. He told me how much he loved going to the
Palo Alto bike store and gleefully realizing he could afford to buy the best
bike there.
And he did.
Steve was humble. Steve liked to keep learning.
Once, he told me if he’d grown up differently, he might have become a
mathematician. He spoke reverently about colleges and loved walking around
the Stanford campus. In the last year of his life, he studied a book of
paintings by Mark Rothko, an artist he hadn’t known about before, thinking
of what could inspire people on the walls of a future Apple campus.
Steve cultivated whimsy. What other C.E.O. knows the history of English and
Chinese tea roses and has a favorite David Austin rose?
He had surprises tucked in all his pockets. I’ll venture that Laurene will
discover treats — songs he loved, a poem he cut out and put in a drawer —
even after 20 years of an exceptionally close marriage. I spoke to him every
other day or so, but when I opened The New York Times and saw a feature on
the company’s patents, I was still surprised and delighted to see a sketch
for a perfect staircase.
With his four children, with his wife, with all of us, Steve had a lot of
fun.
He treasured happiness.
Then, Steve became ill and we watched his life compress into a smaller
circle. Once, he’d loved walking through Paris. He’d discovered a small
handmade soba shop in Kyoto. He downhill skied gracefully. He cross-country
skied clumsily. No more.
Eventually, even ordinary pleasures, like a good peach, no longer appealed
to him.
Yet, what amazed me, and what I learned from his illness, was how much was
still left after so much had been taken away.
I remember my brother learning to walk again, with a chair. After his liver
transplant, once a day he would get up on legs that seemed too thin to bear
him, arms pitched to the chair back. He’d push that chair down the Memphis
hospital corridor towards the nursing station and then he’d sit down on the
chair, rest, turn around and walk back again. He counted his steps and,
each day, pressed a little farther.
Laurene got down on her knees and looked into his eyes.
“You can do this, Steve,” she said. His eyes widened. His lips pressed
into each other.
He tried. He always, always tried, and always with love at the core of that
effort. He was an intensely emotional man.
I realized during that terrifying time that Steve was not enduring the pain
for himself. He set destinations: his son Reed’s graduation from high
school, his daughter Erin’s trip to Kyoto, the launching of a boat he was
building on which he planned to take his family around the world and where
he hoped he and Laurene would someday retire.
Even ill, his taste, his discrimination and his judgment held. He went
through 67 nurses before finding kindred spirits and then he completely
trusted the three who stayed with him to the end. Tracy. Arturo. Elham.
One time when Steve had contracted a tenacious pneumonia his doctor forbid
everything — even ice. We were in a standard I.C.U. unit. Steve, who
generally disliked cutting in line or dropping his own name, confessed that
this once, he’d like to be treated a little specially.
I told him: Steve, this is special treatment.
He leaned over to me, and said: “I want it to be a little more special.”
Intubated, when he couldn’t talk, he asked for a notepad. He sketched
devices to hold an iPad in a hospital bed. He designed new fluid monitors
and x-ray equipment. He redrew that not-quite-special-enough hospital unit.
And every time his wife walked into the room, I watched his smile remake
itself on his face.
For the really big, big things, you have to trust me, he wrote on his
sketchpad. He looked up. You have to.
By that, he meant that we should disobey the doctors and give him a piece of
ice.
None of us knows for certain how long we’ll be here. On Steve’s better
days, even in the last year, he embarked upon projects and elicited promises
from his friends at Apple to finish them. Some boat builders in the
Netherlands have a gorgeous stainless steel hull ready to be covered with
the finishing wood. His three daughters remain unmarried, his two youngest
still girls, and he’d wanted to walk them down the aisle as he’d walked me
the day of my wedding.
We all — in the end — die in medias res. In the middle of a story. Of many
stories.
I suppose it’s not quite accurate to call the death of someone who lived
with cancer for years unexpected, but Steve’s death was unexpected for us.
What I learned from my brother’s death was that character is essential:
What he was, was how he died.
Tuesday morning, he called me to ask me to hurry up to Palo Alto. His tone
was affectionate, dear, loving, but like someone whose luggage was already
strapped onto the vehicle, who was already on the beginning of his journey,
even as he was sorry, truly deeply sorry, to be leaving us.
He started his farewell and I stopped him. I said, “Wait. I’m coming. I’m
in a taxi to the airport. I’ll be there.”
“I’m telling you now because I’m afraid you won’t make it on time, honey
.”
When I arrived, he and his Laurene were joking together like partners who’d
lived and worked together every day of their lives. He looked into his
children’s eyes as if he couldn’t unlock his gaze.
Until about 2 in the afternoon, his wife could rouse him, to talk to his
friends from Apple.
Then, after awhile, it was clear that he would no longer wake to us.
His breathing changed. It became severe, deliberate, purposeful. I could
feel him counting his steps again, pushing farther than before.
This is what I learned: he was working at this, too. Death didn’t happen to
Steve, he achieved it.
He told me, when he was saying goodbye and telling me he was sorry, so sorry
we wouldn’t be able to be old together as we’d always planned, that he
was going to a better place.
Dr. Fischer gave him a 50/50 chance of making it through the night.
He made it through the night, Laurene next to him on the bed sometimes
jerked up when there was a longer pause between his breaths. She and I
looked at each other, then he would heave a deep breath and begin again.
This had to be done. Even now, he had a stern, still handsome profile, the
profile of an absolutist, a romantic. His breath indicated an arduous
journey, some steep path, altitude.
He seemed to be climbing.
But with that will, that work ethic, that strength, there was also sweet
Steve’s capacity for wonderment, the artist’s belief in the ideal, the
still more beautiful later.
Steve’s final words, hours earlier, were monosyllables, repeated three
times.
Before embarking, he’d looked at his sister Patty, then for a long time at
his children, then at his life’s partner, Laurene, and then over their
shoulders past them.
Steve’s final words were:
OH WOW. OH WOW. OH WOW.
Mona Simpson is a novelist and a professor of English at the University of
California, Los Angeles. She delivered this eulogy for her brother, Steve
Jobs, on Oct. 16 at his memorial service at the Memorial Church of Stanford
University.

p*e2011-10-30 07:10

7 楼

痛风跟啤酒关系不大吧，应该是你的下酒菜的缘故

【在 T*****w 的大作中提到】

: 听说国内我以前好几个朋友常年在外面喝啤酒吃火锅年纪轻轻整出痛风来了，。。开
: 始还不信，最近半年我保持每天一瓶啤
: 酒，结果发现手肘，手长关节，开始有酸痛的感觉，有点想office 用电脑久的那种
: 感觉（但其实并不是）。。。。
: 停止喝啤酒以后，所有这些现象全部消失了。。。呵呵。。看来集中累积吃一样东西
: 果然对身体不好。。
: 供大家参考。。。
: 下面还有刚收集的数据摘要, 一句话：喝啤酒和吃金枪鱼差不多。。...
: 研究結果顯示，各種酒類中以紹興酒的嘌呤含量最高59.99ug/ml、其次是台灣生
: 啤酒42. 84ug/ml，蒸餾酒的嘌呤為最低，其嘌呤的含量接近0。若以嘌呤/酒精

d*32011-10-30 07:10

8 楼

一般是100刀+差价改机票吧

s*e2011-10-30 07:10

9 楼

估计下周你就得到绿的那边去报道了

E*u2011-10-30 07:10

10 楼

我贴

【在 w****r 的大作中提到】

: 【以下文字转载自 LeisureTime 讨论区】
: 发信人: didong (心与物游), 信区: LeisureTime
: 标题: 三月雨声细，樱花雪未干：略说《细雪》
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jun 28 00:19:12 2012, 美东)
: 《细雪》 1983年东宝映画五十周年庆典剧
: 看过市川昆的《金阁寺》和《古都》的人都知道他有改编文学名著的偏好。用镜头语言
: 把作品中人对极致之美迷恋的幻像和感触传达出来，最重要是要收起匠气，拍得悄无声
: 息、没有痕迹，表达却是轰轰烈烈的。
: 由于用的都是美丽不可方物的知名女优，镜头很多特写，演员很多时候就是一个大头、
: 眼睁睁对着镜头说话表情，群戏里走位和构图都很工整，因为是30、40年代的日本人本

F*t2011-10-30 07:10

11 楼

沙发

b*12011-10-30 07:10

12 楼

7/25/07 NSC

【在 m*********3 的大作中提到】

: 7／24／07 tsc
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器

E*u2011-10-30 07:10

13 楼

第一次看着电影的时候，我就和这小女孩差不多年纪，
哎，现在已经是老夫了，真是如烟往事啊。。

【在 E******u 的大作中提到】

: 我贴

F*t2011-10-30 07:10

14 楼

慢了
板凳
什么东西吃太多都不好

m*32011-10-30 07:10

15 楼

看来没绿的很少了

★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器

【在 m*********3 的大作中提到】

: 7／24／07 tsc
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器

b*k2011-10-30 07:10

16 楼

真漂亮啊

【在 E******u 的大作中提到】

: 我贴

T*w2011-10-30 07:10

17 楼

一旦有痛风了，啤酒是绝对不能喝的。。。啤酒属于高嘌呤食品
吃火锅，什么麻辣烫绝对也是诱因。
以前我也觉得只喝啤酒应该不会有害的。。。现在亲身实验了。（每天一瓶，不间断
），相信了。。
我的下酒菜是很健康的，豆腐青菜花生，呵呵。
这个是喔网上搜来的。。
“ 啤酒确实能使痛风的发病危险增加，其次是喝酒精含量较高的烈性酒，而喝适量红
酒对健康威胁不大。痛风是一种尿酸代谢
失调引起的疾病，由于尿酸在患者血液和组织中大量积聚，尿酸盐会在关节或肌腱周围
沉积，引起关节疼痛、肿胀甚至变形，
严重的会导致肾功能衰竭，影响患者健康及生活质量 ”

【在 p*****e 的大作中提到】

: 痛风跟啤酒关系不大吧，应该是你的下酒菜的缘故

m*n2011-10-30 07:10

18 楼

7/27/07 TSC

l*r2011-10-30 07:10

19 楼

囧。。。容易让人误会小女孩怎么变成老夫了。。。
你是冬冬引来的啊

【在 E******u 的大作中提到】

: 第一次看着电影的时候，我就和这小女孩差不多年纪，
: 哎，现在已经是老夫了，真是如烟往事啊。。

l*32011-10-30 07:10

20 楼

哇哈哈哈。。
话说通风这个东西全是吃出来滴。。。

【在 F*******t 的大作中提到】

: 慢了
: 板凳
: 什么东西吃太多都不好

p*12011-10-30 07:10

21 楼

求祝福！
7/27 NSC

wh2011-10-30 07:10

22 楼

这是小说改编的吧？以前doha写过细雪这个小说的评论。

【在 E******u 的大作中提到】

: 第一次看着电影的时候，我就和这小女孩差不多年纪，
: 哎，现在已经是老夫了，真是如烟往事啊。。

s*e2011-10-30 07:10

23 楼

痛风是关节炎么？

j*n2011-10-30 07:10

24 楼

07/27/07 NIW NSC

【在 m*********3 的大作中提到】

: 7／24／07 tsc
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器

l*t2011-10-30 07:10

25 楼

谢谢。

w*l2011-10-30 07:10

26 楼

same here. 7/27 NSC.

【在 p*******1 的大作中提到】

: 求祝福！
: 7/27 NSC

T*w2011-10-30 07:10

27 楼

from baidu ....
" 痛风（英语：gout，学名：metabolic arthritis）又称“高尿酸血症”，是一种因
嘌呤（一译“普林”）代谢障碍，使尿酸累
积而引起的疾病，属于关节炎的一种，又称代谢性关节炎。痛风的定义是人体内有一种
叫作嘌呤的物质的新陈代谢发生了紊
乱，尿酸（嘌呤的氧化代谢产物）的合成增加或排出减少，造成高尿酸血症，当血尿酸
浓度过高时，尿酸即以钠盐的形式沉积
在关节、软组织、软骨和肾脏中，引起组织的异物炎性反应，就叫痛风。"
恩，还有专业文献：
摘要:喝酒是導致痛風與高尿酸血症危險因子，主要原因乃是酒中含嘌呤及酒精。嘌呤在人體代謝最終產物是尿酸以及酒精
的代謝會使血中的尿酸濃度升高，因此以高效能液相層析儀定量分析市面上各種常見的酒類的嘌呤含量。再用含有已知量
嘌呤及酒精濃度的飲料由原住民痛風病人自願試飲。個案選取屏東縣牡丹鄉排灣族的原住民痛風病人及非痛風個案各九
名，將他們隨機分配三組，分別試飲果汁（不含酒精及嘌呤）、米酒（含酒精及不含嘌呤）、啤酒（含酒精及含嘌呤）。
試飲後觀察其體內血中尿酸濃度的變化。研究結果顯示，各種酒類中以紹興酒的嘌呤含量最高59.99ug/ml、其次是台灣生
啤酒42. 84ug/ml，蒸餾酒的嘌呤為最低，其嘌呤的含量接近0。若以嘌呤/酒精的ratio來看，以啤酒類的ratio最高，其
次為紹興酒、混成酒、蒸餾酒最低，攝取相同的酒精重量，則以啤酒類攝取嘌呤的量最高。在人體試飲實驗，原住民痛風
病人喝啤酒及喝米酒的個案試飲後血中尿酸濃度上升比例達到最高點時分別為8.17﹪、6.13﹪。喝果汁的個案只上升
1.28﹪。喝酒的個案其體內尿酸濃度上升的比例明顯的高於喝果汁的個案。在尿中尿酸代謝，原住民痛風病人喝啤酒及米
酒的個案，試飲前及試飲後六小時，尿中的尿酸濃度分別下降37.89﹪、62.42﹪。喝果汁的個案只下降0.58﹪。酒引起
高尿酸血症是因為酒中的酒精代謝，影響尿酸由腎臟排出所引起。啤酒中含有酒精及嘌呤，由於酒精及嘌呤的雙重影響所
以造成體內尿酸濃度上升比例高於喝米酒個案。（作者摘要） (作者摘要)
还有：食物表：（喜欢吃海鲜，喝啤酒的童鞋要注意了。）
(嘌呤(mg)/100g 食物)
食物名称嘌呤食物名称嘌呤食物名称嘌呤
面粉 17.1 小米 6.1 大米 18.1
大豆 27.0 核桃 8.4 栗子 16.4
花生 33.4 洋葱 1.4 南瓜 2.8
黄瓜 3.3 番茄 4.2 青葱 4.7
白菜 5.0 菠菜 23.0 土豆 5.6
胡萝卜 8.0 芹菜 10.3 青菜叶 14.5
菜花 20.0 杏子 0.1 葡萄 0.5
梨 0.9 苹果 0.9 橙 1.9
果酱 1.9 牛奶 1.4 鸡蛋 0.4
牛肉 40.0 羊肉 27.0 母鸡 25~31
鹅 33.0 猪肉 48.0 小牛肉 48
肺 70.0 肾 80.0 肝 95.0
桂鱼肉 24.0 枪鱼 45.0 沙丁鱼 295
蜂蜜 3.2 胰 825.0 凤尾鱼 363

【在 s******e 的大作中提到】

: 痛风是关节炎么？

d*n2011-10-30 07:10

28 楼

7/24 NSC，求佛祖保佑我们，都挺不容易的。

l*s2011-10-30 07:10

29 楼

吃的太好了
什么都吃点，互相解毒

s*g2011-10-30 07:10

30 楼

07/26/07, best wishes to all of us.

【在 d****n 的大作中提到】

: 7/24 NSC，求佛祖保佑我们，都挺不容易的。

l*32011-10-30 07:10

31 楼

好像没有说豆腐。。。似乎听说豆腐也比较猛。。。

j*k2011-10-30 07:10

32 楼

7/27/07 TSC

T*w2011-10-30 07:10

33 楼

恩，数据加入了，豆腐还好，豆腐干比较猛
喝啤酒，吃豆腐干也等于是自S，以前有段时间半夜
经常是成都的麻辣豆腐干下啤酒 :(
豆腐(盒裝)2.0~3.7
傳統豆腐 5.4~7.4
豆乾 61~73
豆腐乳 45~55

【在 l********3 的大作中提到】

: 好像没有说豆腐。。。似乎听说豆腐也比较猛。。。

x*x2011-10-30 07:10

34 楼

7/26/07 TSC

【在 m*********3 的大作中提到】

: 7／24／07 tsc
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器

l*32011-10-30 07:10

35 楼

好吧。。。我还挺喜欢腐乳的。。。

【在 T*****w 的大作中提到】

: 恩，数据加入了，豆腐还好，豆腐干比较猛
: 喝啤酒，吃豆腐干也等于是自S，以前有段时间半夜
: 经常是成都的麻辣豆腐干下啤酒 :(
: 豆腐(盒裝)2.0~3.7
: 傳統豆腐 5.4~7.4
: 豆乾 61~73
: 豆腐乳 45~55

M*y2011-10-30 07:10

36 楼

7/17 TSC

【在 m*********3 的大作中提到】

: 7／24／07 tsc
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器

p*e2011-10-30 07:10

37 楼

看来嫩豆腐还是很健康的。

【在 T*****w 的大作中提到】

L*a2011-10-30 07:10

38 楼

我靠
还这么多憋着呢啊
嗯
那不着急了

T*w2011-10-30 07:10

39 楼

顺便8挂一下，以后俏江南要研究开发健康素食了。。。。

【在 p*****e 的大作中提到】

: 看来嫩豆腐还是很健康的。

m*32011-10-30 07:10

40 楼

不多吧。希望我们大家这周都能绿阿

R*s2011-10-30 07:10

41 楼

份特，有这种事，让俺研究一下下。。。
如果只是酒精引起的，那烈酒的酒精不是多得多得多？啤酒才多少酒精？

呤在人體代謝最終產物是尿酸以及酒精

【在 T*****w 的大作中提到】

: from baidu ....
: " 痛风（英语：gout，学名：metabolic arthritis）又称“高尿酸血症”，是一种因
: 嘌呤（一译“普林”）代谢障碍，使尿酸累
: 积而引起的疾病，属于关节炎的一种，又称代谢性关节炎。痛风的定义是人体内有一种
: 叫作嘌呤的物质的新陈代谢发生了紊
: 乱，尿酸（嘌呤的氧化代谢产物）的合成增加或排出减少，造成高尿酸血症，当血尿酸
: 浓度过高时，尿酸即以钠盐的形式沉积
: 在关节、软组织、软骨和肾脏中，引起组织的异物炎性反应，就叫痛风。"
: 恩，还有专业文献：
: 摘要:喝酒是導致痛風與高尿酸血症危險因子，主要原因乃是酒中含嘌呤及酒精。嘌呤在人體代謝最終產物是尿酸以及酒精

p*62011-10-30 07:10

42 楼

NSC PD 7-19-2007, RD 8-13-2007, ND 9-21-2007 Still waiting

l*32011-10-30 07:10

43 楼

谢谢MM，能不能再给科普下豆浆的啊。。。俺天天都喝有些怕了。。。

【在 T*****w 的大作中提到】

l*q2011-10-30 07:10

44 楼

7/27/2007
NSC, originally filed in TSC

b*12011-10-30 07:10

45 楼

我们家的啤酒都是我用来洗头发，做面膜的

l*q2011-10-30 07:10

46 楼

7/27/2007
NSC, originally filed in TSC

T*w2011-10-30 07:10

47 楼

每100克大豆含有嘌呤190毫克
你可以估计一下，算比较高的。
已经有痛风的是不能喝de

喝有些怕了。。。

【在 l********3 的大作中提到】

: 谢谢MM，能不能再给科普下豆浆的啊。。。俺天天都喝有些怕了。。。

m*r2011-10-30 07:10

48 楼

7/27/2007 NSC

z*r2011-10-30 07:10

49 楼

发现嘌呤越高的，俺越爱吃

【在 T*****w 的大作中提到】

n*r2011-10-30 07:10

50 楼

7/17 NSC

【在 m*********3 的大作中提到】

: 7／24／07 tsc
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器

z*r2011-10-30 07:10

51 楼

暴敛天真啊

【在 b**********1 的大作中提到】

: 我们家的啤酒都是我用来洗头发，做面膜的

s*d2011-10-30 07:10

52 楼

不会吧。我的一点动静也没有。

【在 m*********3 的大作中提到】

: 看来没绿的很少了
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器

l*22011-10-30 07:10

53 楼

这个确实是，啤酒比烈酒更容易得痛风
还有豆干这些
不过我觉得什么都有度，不多食应该都无妨的
不过男士年龄大了啤酒喝多了还容易长啤酒肚的

n*r2011-10-30 07:10

54 楼

镁铝的还很多

【在 s******d 的大作中提到】

: 不会吧。我的一点动静也没有。

l*32011-10-30 07:10

55 楼

多谢啊。。。今天早上看到腌的鸭蛋了，正要再想腌些鸡蛋。。。所以又来求科普，虽
然鸡蛋的
含量不高，是不是腌制这种方法会增加含量呢。。。。

【在 T*****w 的大作中提到】

: 每100克大豆含有嘌呤190毫克
: 你可以估计一下，算比较高的。
: 已经有痛风的是不能喝de
:
: 喝有些怕了。。。

f*r2011-10-30 07:10

56 楼

7/20 NSC
啥时候开始找议员询问阿?

R*s2011-10-30 07:10

57 楼

哦，看来啤酒要少喝，喝白的和红的：）
嗯，同意mm说的，其实啥东西不要吃过量，应该问题就不大。。。
俺也喝啤酒，腰围只有26inch..

【在 l*******2 的大作中提到】

: 这个确实是，啤酒比烈酒更容易得痛风
: 还有豆干这些
: 不过我觉得什么都有度，不多食应该都无妨的
: 不过男士年龄大了啤酒喝多了还容易长啤酒肚的

a*n2011-10-30 07:10

58 楼

5/17/07 NSC

R*s2011-10-30 07:10

59 楼

啤酒洗头发？

【在 b**********1 的大作中提到】

: 我们家的啤酒都是我用来洗头发，做面膜的

s*d2011-10-30 07:10

60 楼

7/26/2007
NSC, originally filed in TSC

y*g2011-10-30 07:10

61 楼

好像有人跟我说火锅的嘌呤很高。。
要是火锅啤酒双管齐下都不痛风的话就太对不起人民群众了

d*i2011-10-30 07:10

62 楼

4/16 TSC

R*s2011-10-30 07:10

63 楼

唉，俺太对不起人民群众了。。。

【在 y*********g 的大作中提到】

: 好像有人跟我说火锅的嘌呤很高。。
: 要是火锅啤酒双管齐下都不痛风的话就太对不起人民群众了

m*32011-10-30 07:10

64 楼

Bless!

★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器

【在 d******i 的大作中提到】

: 4/16 TSC

s*i2011-10-30 07:10

65 楼

我知道豆干要少吃，可我就是喜欢吃，尤其是香干，而且又简单，切切拌拌就好了。

【在 T*****w 的大作中提到】

a*d2011-10-30 07:10

66 楼

Bless!

T*w2011-10-30 07:10

67 楼

你要是一周来两次海鲜火锅，1打啤酒，坚持一年，应该就会对得起群众了。。。。

【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】

: 唉，俺太对不起人民群众了。。。

j*n2011-10-30 07:10

68 楼

我靠，这个要bless一下！pat, pat!

【在 d******i 的大作中提到】

: 4/16 TSC

R*s2011-10-30 07:10

69 楼

算了，对不起就对不起吧。。。 :D

【在 T*****w 的大作中提到】

: 你要是一周来两次海鲜火锅，1打啤酒，坚持一年，应该就会对得起群众了。。。。

m*32011-10-30 07:10

70 楼

啥时候才能绿阿，折磨人啊
姐立此为据：
如果今天披了，姐捐100 给niu!
大家保佑姐今天披了吧

m*U2011-10-30 07:10

71 楼

7/27/07, TSC

【在 m*********3 的大作中提到】

: 7／24／07 tsc
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器

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