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A*e2012-09-25 07:09

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【以下文字转载自 ChinaNews 讨论区】
发信人: Visame (Visame.Org), 信区: ChinaNews
标题: 四川中学生游泳赛频破罗雪娟记录疑为加分作假
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Apr 8 12:03:42 2010, 北京)
南方网4月8日报道亚运会今年就要在广州举办，女子50米蛙泳的亚运会纪录是31秒80
，而在4月3日举行的四川省中学生游泳锦标赛上，这个纪录被四川的女中学生频频“打
破”。游泳名将罗雪娟2006年在全国游泳锦标赛上夺冠的31.57秒的纪录，自然也一起被
“破”了。
有网友发帖，“有图有真相”地展示了此次“赛过罗雪娟”、“有史以来最黑暗、最搞
笑的比赛”，还有网友质疑，比赛成绩能让学生在高考中加分，可能存在“卖奖”的内
幕。
比赛的总裁判长杨展如告诉记者，称已经调查清楚，“成绩确实是弄错了”，将个别学
生运动员自由泳的成绩填到了蛙泳成绩栏里，并非“卖奖”。
家长发帖挑战组委会
一位自称“一名学生家长”的网友在各大论坛发出了题为《2010年四川省中学生游泳锦
标赛是有史以来最黑暗、最搞笑的比赛》的帖子，帖子一经

w*22012-09-25 07:09

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我觉得是eric schmitz
如果不是他当时坐苹果board 上偷着自家搞竞争产品，苹果当时就是力创了新一代
smartphone 加上能找到的最好的各种service 来结合，这包括精挑细选的youtube和
google map。
结果这些合作从数据和金钱上养足了google，更多的引起google 的贪欲，给苹果带来
更多的背后一刀。
现在苹果只能把这些偏离自己原来的focus 把这些service 自己重新搞一遍。
几年前能看到的“完美”的包容了两大技术公司成果的佳作iphone，最终变成两家敌对
的公司抢夺的战场。

g*g2012-09-25 07:09

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竞争促进科技进步，如果没有Android，现在苹果还是3.5寸没LTE。
没notification，没OTA。

【在 w********2 的大作中提到】

: 我觉得是eric schmitz
: 如果不是他当时坐苹果board 上偷着自家搞竞争产品，苹果当时就是力创了新一代
: smartphone 加上能找到的最好的各种service 来结合，这包括精挑细选的youtube和
: google map。
: 结果这些合作从数据和金钱上养足了google，更多的引起google 的贪欲，给苹果带来
: 更多的背后一刀。
: 现在苹果只能把这些偏离自己原来的focus 把这些service 自己重新搞一遍。
: 几年前能看到的“完美”的包容了两大技术公司成果的佳作iphone，最终变成两家敌对
: 的公司抢夺的战场。

c*c2012-09-25 07:09

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Ur imagination and ignorance just amazes me...
"这些合作从数据和金钱上养足了google", how much did google earn from those
services? According to researches, > 90% google revenue is from ads, not
maps and youtube.
So where does your "金钱" come from? And apple don't share data with google
on youtube/maps, so where does your "数据" come from?
Why it is not apple's 贪欲 that wants to make more money and pay nothing to
others?

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c*c2012-09-25 07:09

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If you check apple's iphone price, u see how greedy the company is.
The original iphone without contract is 499$, and after several month's sale
, apple lowered the price to 399$.
And now the cheapest iphone 5 is 649$ without contract. And they shamelessly
claim that the iphone5 is 199$

w*22012-09-25 07:09

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/06/09/apple-is-abo
地图的data 就不用说了吧？
fee 方面：
More to the point, Google charges Apple for having Maps loaded onto that
Apple hardware. And as I’ve noted before, this is a substantial sum: rather
more than Google currently makes from Android for example.
The figures also suggest that Apple devices such as the iPhone, which
use products such as its Maps as well as Google Search in its Safari browser
, generated more than four times as much revenue for Google as its own
handsets in the same period.

google
to
带来
敌对

【在 c*c 的大作中提到】

: Ur imagination and ignorance just amazes me...
: "这些合作从数据和金钱上养足了google", how much did google earn from those
: services? According to researches, > 90% google revenue is from ads, not
: maps and youtube.
: So where does your "金钱" come from? And apple don't share data with google
: on youtube/maps, so where does your "数据" come from?
: Why it is not apple's 贪欲 that wants to make more money and pay nothing to
: others?

c*c2012-09-25 07:09

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How much money? You just gave no numbers, and what is the definition of
substantial? It is all your guessing! This article is also pure guessing,
there is no evidence and no number to support it!
according to the article, "Maps as well as Google Search in its Safari
browser", so why it cannot be that safari browser alone generates 4X more
revenue? Browser leads to search, it is the main source of revenue.
You are just misleading the people on this board. What a hypocrite!

rather
browser

【在 w********2 的大作中提到】

: http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/06/09/apple-is-abo
: 地图的data 就不用说了吧？
: fee 方面：
: More to the point, Google charges Apple for having Maps loaded onto that
: Apple hardware. And as I’ve noted before, this is a substantial sum: rather
: more than Google currently makes from Android for example.
: The figures also suggest that Apple devices such as the iPhone, which
: use products such as its Maps as well as Google Search in its Safari browser
: , generated more than four times as much revenue for Google as its own
: handsets in the same period.

c*c2012-09-25 07:09

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399$->649$, this is real number!!!!

b*n2012-09-25 07:09

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对消费者来说，竞争是最好的东西

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w*22012-09-25 07:09

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let's just list a timeline, please correct me if it is wrong:
1.apple start to develop iphone
2. apple invited google CEO Eric to the board
3. apple put google map on the iphone
4. google at sametime prepared android to compete iphone
5. android launch with similar map service
6. google add turn by turn navigation to android, but refuse to provide it
on ios
7. google add street view
8. google refuse to provide street view to ios
9. apple replaced google with its own map.
google obviously tried to play dirty trick here, not only stealing the idea,
but also try to make the "advanced feature" only avaliable to android to
create an edge to gain market share. It is totally different from the google
that not running under Eric, the "don't do evil" is a bullsh*t.
and today Eric is talking again to remind everyone that google will not make
google map avalaible on ios very soon.

which

【在 c*c 的大作中提到】

: How much money? You just gave no numbers, and what is the definition of
: substantial? It is all your guessing! This article is also pure guessing,
: there is no evidence and no number to support it!
: according to the article, "Maps as well as Google Search in its Safari
: browser", so why it cannot be that safari browser alone generates 4X more
: revenue? Browser leads to search, it is the main source of revenue.
: You are just misleading the people on this board. What a hypocrite!
:
: rather
: browser

f*l2012-09-25 07:09

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iOS上的street view很好用的吧...

it

【在 w********2 的大作中提到】

: let's just list a timeline, please correct me if it is wrong:
: 1.apple start to develop iphone
: 2. apple invited google CEO Eric to the board
: 3. apple put google map on the iphone
: 4. google at sametime prepared android to compete iphone
: 5. android launch with similar map service
: 6. google add turn by turn navigation to android, but refuse to provide it
: on ios
: 7. google add street view
: 8. google refuse to provide street view to ios

c*c2012-09-25 07:09

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I don't see any problem in 1,2,3,4,5,7.
In 6,8, why do you put "google refuses"? Where did the evidence coming from?
Please gave a link with a reliable source! not another article from an apple
fan or pure guessing from someone without any base, ok?
and please gave a reason for price to increase from $399 to $649!

it

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w*22012-09-25 07:09

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http://searchengineland.com/the-wsj-provides-color-commentary-o
per wall street journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270230454390457739850

from?
apple

【在 c*c 的大作中提到】

: I don't see any problem in 1,2,3,4,5,7.
: In 6,8, why do you put "google refuses"? Where did the evidence coming from?
: Please gave a link with a reliable source! not another article from an apple
: fan or pure guessing from someone without any base, ok?
: and please gave a reason for price to increase from $399 to $649!
:
: it

w*22012-09-25 07:09

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后来加上了。

【在 f****l 的大作中提到】

: iOS上的street view很好用的吧...
:
: it

c*c2012-09-25 07:09

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WSJ.......
is this your reliable source?

g*g2012-09-25 07:09

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Is this supposed to be a joke? OK, Google didn't provide turn by turn
navigation to iOS. But which one of the followings did Apple provide to
Android users.
iMessage, iCloud, Apple mail, iWork?
Or you are not supposed to use Android even if you use a Mac?

it

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c*c2012-09-25 07:09

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So u are eating ur own shit now?
Anyway, I don't trust anything WSJ says, it is definitely not a reliable
source.
How pathetic for you to keep googling around. Did you found me a good excuse
for 399$->$649?

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: 后来加上了。

w*22012-09-25 07:09

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if you don't know wsj, here is another one:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/06/ask-ars-why-did-apple-have
I think it provide some good analysis about google map restriction.

【在 c*c 的大作中提到】

: WSJ.......
: is this your reliable source?

w*22012-09-25 07:09

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and what's your point about the "price change"?

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c*c2012-09-25 07:09

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So it is Gmap API limitation, what the hell is wrong with that? And why it
cannot be a problem of GPS data purchase agreement. Google bought GPS data
from other sources, they might have a requirement to stop buyers from making
turn-by-turn APIs public.

【在 w********2 的大作中提到】

: if you don't know wsj, here is another one:
: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/06/ask-ars-why-did-apple-have
: I think it provide some good analysis about google map restriction.

c*c2012-09-25 07:09

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isn't apple a greedy company? So why cannot all these maps and youtube
change initiated by apple? They just want to make suckass apps and earn more
money by paying others nothing?

【在 w********2 的大作中提到】

: and what's your point about the "price change"?

w*22012-09-25 07:09

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every company is "greedy", and sometimes "evil", apple never label itself "
not evil "while stabbing friend from the back.

【在 c*c 的大作中提到】

: isn't apple a greedy company? So why cannot all these maps and youtube
: change initiated by apple? They just want to make suckass apps and earn more
: money by paying others nothing?

w*22012-09-25 07:09

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if you are right about other gps data, then how come google has turn by turn?

【在 c*c 的大作中提到】

: So it is Gmap API limitation, what the hell is wrong with that? And why it
: cannot be a problem of GPS data purchase agreement. Google bought GPS data
: from other sources, they might have a requirement to stop buyers from making
: turn-by-turn APIs public.

c*c2012-09-25 07:09

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you bought the gps data, you can make turn-by-turn software by yourself, but
you cannot make a public api so that others can use that API. Otherwise
, the GPS data seller will lose all his clients, as they will all use that
simple API to provide gps navigation.
Did nokia provide a turn-by-turn API? did Bing provide that?

turn?

【在 w********2 的大作中提到】

: if you are right about other gps data, then how come google has turn by turn?

c*c2012-09-25 07:09

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Ridiculous. Apple is never a friend of anyone.

【在 w********2 的大作中提到】

: every company is "greedy", and sometimes "evil", apple never label itself "
: not evil "while stabbing friend from the back.

w*22012-09-25 07:09

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nokia is not a data or services provider.
and after apple cut google map, google start to open more of their API (with
fee)

【在 c*c 的大作中提到】

: you bought the gps data, you can make turn-by-turn software by yourself, but
: you cannot make a public api so that others can use that API. Otherwise
: , the GPS data seller will lose all his clients, as they will all use that
: simple API to provide gps navigation.
: Did nokia provide a turn-by-turn API? did Bing provide that?
:
: turn?

c*c2012-09-25 07:09

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huh? WTH u want to say? Still no turn by turn API? Any company provide that?

with

【在 w********2 的大作中提到】

: nokia is not a data or services provider.
: and after apple cut google map, google start to open more of their API (with
: fee)

w*22012-09-25 07:09

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check the day when iPhone is announced and how Eric talk about the
partnership between the two company. of course, later apple found google was
building competition in the dark at same time when Eric talking shit on the
apple stage, Eric got kicked out from the board.

【在 c*c 的大作中提到】

: Ridiculous. Apple is never a friend of anyone.

w*22012-09-25 07:09

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I just say what u said is not true.
my point is clear, apple bring google into mobile and a better product could
be there from the partnership but not betrayal. and google didn't really
try to provide good service to the iOS user but used it to play tricks to
gain market share unfairly.

【在 c*c 的大作中提到】

: huh? WTH u want to say? Still no turn by turn API? Any company provide that?
:
: with

c*c2012-09-25 07:09

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Android started in 2003. Google acquired android in 2005, before Eric joined
apple board. So apple knew google was making their own mobile OS when Eric
joined
Now u are eating ur own shit again. what a shit lover

was
the

【在 w********2 的大作中提到】

: check the day when iPhone is announced and how Eric talk about the
: partnership between the two company. of course, later apple found google was
: building competition in the dark at same time when Eric talking shit on the
: apple stage, Eric got kicked out from the board.

c*c2012-09-25 07:09

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WTH is wrong with ur logic? GMAP API doesn't provide turn-by-turn, this
could be because of agreement with GPS data sellers.
So there is nothing wrong apple don't get turn-by-turn.

could

【在 w********2 的大作中提到】

: I just say what u said is not true.
: my point is clear, apple bring google into mobile and a better product could
: be there from the partnership but not betrayal. and google didn't really
: try to provide good service to the iOS user but used it to play tricks to
: gain market share unfairly.

w*22012-09-25 07:09

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do u have any idea what android look like before iPhone?

【在 c*c 的大作中提到】

: Android started in 2003. Google acquired android in 2005, before Eric joined
: apple board. So apple knew google was making their own mobile OS when Eric
: joined
: Now u are eating ur own shit again. what a shit lover
:
: was
: the

c*c2012-09-25 07:09

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Do you have any idea how cellphone looks like in the 80s?
Technology advances, phones becomes thinner, smarter, and more easier to
uses. Screen is also larger year by year.

【在 w********2 的大作中提到】

: do u have any idea what android look like before iPhone?

c*c2012-09-25 07:09

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You are just trying to diverge the topic. The reality is:
1. You made wrong statement about street view.
2. You are purely speculating on google's role on GMAP API, it is API, if it
doesn't expose anything, it doesn't
3. You still gave no reason why apple increases price from 399->649
4. You made another mistake that Apple don't know Android when eric joined
the board.
5. When u made a mistake, you started to fabricate other excuses now
You are just a joke, my word ends here. What a waste of my time

【在 w********2 的大作中提到】

: do u have any idea what android look like before iPhone?

f*l2012-09-25 07:09

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Please read this fun article first:)
http://blog.steventroughtonsmith.com/2012/05/2007s-pre-m3-versi

【在 c*c 的大作中提到】

: Do you have any idea how cellphone looks like in the 80s?
: Technology advances, phones becomes thinner, smarter, and more easier to
: uses. Screen is also larger year by year.

S*M2012-09-25 07:09

36 楼

这种人渣也值得你跟他费这么多口舌？你真觉得他是来跟你讨论问题的？

w*22012-09-25 07:09

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it is you diverge the topic, I simply point out a fact that google ruined
the partnership.
apple brought google into the new smarthphone market (as a partnership if
you dont' like the word friend), and google simply prepare the competition
underneath, and stab apple on the back.
Beyond that, they keep using the service provided to apple in the
partnership as a leverage to create unfair advantage they could get to
compete market share in a dirty way. Worst of all, it happend when apple
treat Eric as the board member and Eric is at the same time CEO of google.
Instead of ruining it, Eric could push the collaboration or partnership
further and then we could have even better and wonderful hardware/os/service
combined to use nowadays.
instead of seeing these, you simply picking out some API guesses from all
the reference and try to extend that and argue that as an execuse for google
, and throw out some wierd price comparison to prove google did the right
thing? And, full of "sh*t" in your post and mouth..
I could only see you are a possible google fan or maybe apple hater, nothing
else.

it

【在 c*c 的大作中提到】

: You are just trying to diverge the topic. The reality is:
: 1. You made wrong statement about street view.
: 2. You are purely speculating on google's role on GMAP API, it is API, if it
: doesn't expose anything, it doesn't
: 3. You still gave no reason why apple increases price from 399->649
: 4. You made another mistake that Apple don't know Android when eric joined
: the board.
: 5. When u made a mistake, you started to fabricate other excuses now
: You are just a joke, my word ends here. What a waste of my time

P*f2012-09-25 07:09

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现在这样也不错.AAPL继续大赚premium,行业利润基本拿完,丝毫不用担心反垄断啥的.
GOOG用免费,不那么polish的OS分发到低利润用户,赚长尾用户的广告.各自的赚钱机器
都开足马力,大家股票都涨,不是很好?

service
google
nothing
if
joined

【在 w********2 的大作中提到】

: it is you diverge the topic, I simply point out a fact that google ruined
: the partnership.
: apple brought google into the new smarthphone market (as a partnership if
: you dont' like the word friend), and google simply prepare the competition
: underneath, and stab apple on the back.
: Beyond that, they keep using the service provided to apple in the
: partnership as a leverage to create unfair advantage they could get to
: compete market share in a dirty way. Worst of all, it happend when apple
: treat Eric as the board member and Eric is at the same time CEO of google.
: Instead of ruining it, Eric could push the collaboration or partnership

w*n2012-09-25 07:09

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消费者福音

n*l2012-09-25 07:09

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我擦啊，
“数据和金钱上养足了google，更多的引起google 的贪欲，给苹果带来更多的背后一
刀。”
这种话你都说得出口，粉apple黑google都没逻辑？
google从数据赚钱，apple从硬件赚钱，各赚各的，消费者爱用什么用什么，apple养
google，贻笑大方了！
微软到是养过apple，
啥时间看到apple给google注入大笔资金的时候再说apple养goole吧

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n*l2012-09-25 07:09

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数据公司开始提供硬件，
硬件公司开始收集数据，
都为了赚消费者的钱，存在谁养谁？

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o*o2012-09-25 07:09

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Don't see any problem with that. It's a business decision. Like apple "
refused" to support flash on iPhone. Like apple "refused" to export music
from iTunes. Let ppl vote with their money.

【在 w********2 的大作中提到】

: http://searchengineland.com/the-wsj-provides-color-commentary-o
: per wall street journal
: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270230454390457739850
:
: from?
: apple