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l*0
1
我父母今年4/21号1000被拒。签证经过如下:
1、 签证官问:你们去美国干什么?
答:我们夫妻二人去美国旅游,160表、护照给了他
2、 你们是随团吗?
答:女儿女婿邀请我们去的,邀请函给他了
3、 接着把女婿的材料给他了
4、 签证官说把你全家的照片给我看,我就把照片给他了,这时他说OK,把材料和照片
都给我了,我把材料和照片又装进了文件夹
5、 问:你们两个是什么时候去的美国
答:女婿08年8月工作签证去的,现在的身份是H1B。女儿08年12月去美国探亲,09年3
月回国,2010年又去美国探亲
6、 这时签证官说把你的女儿的材料给我看
我又把女儿女婿的材料一起递了进去,我说这是我女婿和女儿的所有材料,签证官这时
又问你们俩是怎么认识的,我说你们是校友,xx大学毕业的。这时签证官还在看女儿的
材料,看到驾照时就没看了,说很抱歉不能给你们签,你们不符合条件,就给了一张资
料说你们自己回去看。
纸条上两项都被勾上了。1. 您没有足够的证明说明您在美国之外的一个国家具有很强
的家庭,社会或经济的约束力,而这些约束力将迫使您在美国作短暂停留后离开美国。
2. 您没有能使签证官相信,您符合您申请的签证类型的标准,或者将会遵守此类签证
对申请人的具体要求。
由于我怀孕,双胞胎,预产期是6/3/2012,医院出具了高位妊娠的证明。想让父母再试
一次。约了5/29号的签证。不知道用医院的证明可不可以。第一次签证的时候没有提到
怀孕和医院证明的事情。就直接说的旅游探亲。请高人指点一下。我们这2000需要注意
什么。可不可以让母亲一个人去签,这样父亲就是在国内很强的约束力,然后出示医院
的证明,这样有帮助吗?
请各位大侠不吝赐教。
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l*y
2
四份 sweet Moscato, 三份 peach juice,一份 gins,两份 brandy,很多白糖,切成
片的青柠檬,一些冰块,染在 martini cup 里。
今夜,微醺后第四杯酒了。
要不搞杯 Irish coffee 然后睡觉?
要是周末就完美了。嗯。
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g*j
3
Tough Lessons From Golden Rice
Martin Enserink
It was supposed to prevent blindness and death from vitamin A deficiency
in millions of children. But almost a decade after its invention, golden
rice is still stuck in the lab
It's easy to recognize Ingo Potrykus at the train station in Basel,
Switzerland. Quietly waiting while hurried travelers zip by, he is holding,
as he promised, the framed and slightly yellowed cover of the 31 July 2000
issue of Time magazine. It features Potrykus's bearded face flanked by some
bright green stalks and a bold headline: “This Rice Could Save A Million
Kids A Year.”
The story ran at a time when Potrykus, a German plant biotechnologist who
has long lived in Switzerland, was on a roll. In 1999, just as he was about
to retire, Potrykus and his colleagues had stunned plant scientists and
biotechnology opponents alike by creating a rice variety that produced a
group of molecules called pro-vitamin A in its seeds. The researchers
thought this “golden rice”—named for the yellow hue imparted by the
compounds—held a revolutionary promise to fight vitamin A deficiency, which
blinds or kills thousands of children in developing countries every year.
Almost a decade later, golden rice is still just that: a promise. Well-
organized opposition and a thicket of regulations on transgenic crops have
prevented the plant from appearing on Asian farms within 2 to 3 years, as
Potrykus and his colleagues once predicted. In fact, the first field trial
of golden rice in Asia started only this month. Its potential to prevent the
ravages of vitamin A deficiency has yet to be tested, and even by the most
optimistic projections, no farmer will plant the rice before 2011.
The delays have made Potrykus, who lives in Magden, a small village in an
idyllic valley near Basel, a frustrated man. For working on what he
considers a philanthropic project, he has been ridiculed and vilified as an
industry shill. Relating the golden rice saga at his dinner table while his
wife serves croissants and strong coffee, he at times comes off as bitter.
There's more at stake than golden rice and personal vindication, he says. In
his view, 2 decades of fear-mongering by organizations such as Greenpeace,
his prime nemesis, have created a regulatory climate so burdensome that only
big companies with deep pockets can afford to get any genetically modified
(GM) product approved. As a result, it has become virtually impossible to
use the technology in the service of the poor, Potrykus says.
Not everybody is so gloomy. Potrykus's co-inventor and main partner, plant
biochemist Peter Beyer of the University of Freiburg in Germany, agrees that
it's been a difficult decade. But a more cheerful character by nature,
Beyer believes rules are just something to be dealt with; complaining about
them does little, he says. A handful of other researchers working on GM
crops to fight malnutrition also feel confident that their work will
eventually pay off.
Many scientists agree with Potrykus, however, that GM technology has become
so controversial that for now, there's little point in harnessing it for the
world's poorest. HarvestPlus, a vast global program at public research
institutes aimed at creating more nutritious staple crops, is forgoing GM
technology almost entirely and using conventional breeding instead, despite
its built-in limitations. GM products just might end up on the shelf, says
HarvestPlus Director Howarth Bouis.
Potrykus, now 75 years old, worries that he may not live to see his
invention do any good. “It's difficult for me not to get upset about this
situation,” he says.
A dream takes root
The idea for golden rice was born at an international agricultural meeting
in the Philippines in 1984, says Gary Toenniessen of the Rockefeller
Foundation, a philanthropy in New York City. It was the early days of
genetic engineering, and over beers at a guesthouse one evening, Toenniessen
asked a group of plant breeders how the technology of copying and pasting
genes might benefit rice. “Yellow endosperm,” one of them said.
That odd answer alluded to the fact that a quarter-billion children have
poor diets lacking in vitamin A. This deficiency can damage the retina and
cornea and increase susceptibility to measles and other infectious diseases.
The World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that between 250,000 and 500,
000 children go blind every year as a result, and that half of those die
within 12 months. Vegetables such as carrots and tomatoes, as well as meat,
butter, and milk, can provide the vitamin or its precursors, but many
families in poor countries don't have access to them. A rice variety
producing precursors to vitamin A in its endosperm, the main tissue in seeds
, might provide a solution—and it would have yellow kernels.
Classical breeding cannot produce such a rice, however, because although pro
-vitamin A is present in the green parts of the rice plant, no known strain
makes it in its seeds. The only option is to tinker with rice's DNA to
produce the desired effect. Throughout the 1980s, the Rockefeller Foundation
funded several exploratory studies, but the plan didn't gel until a
brainstorming meeting in New York City in 1992, at which scientists
discussed the bold idea of reintroducing the biochemical pathway leading to
beta carotene, the most important pro-vitamin A, into rice but putting it
under control of a promoter that's specific to endosperm.
Potrykus, then a pioneer in rice transgenics at the Swiss Federal Institute
of Technology (ETH) in Zürich, attended, as did Beyer, who specialized in
carotenoid biochemistry and molecular biology. The two met on the plane to
New York and hit it off; their fields of expertise were complementary, and
the fact that Zürich is less than 2 hours from Freiburg was helpful. They
soon had a proposal written up.
Beyer admits he barely believed in the idea himself, and the Rockefeller's
scientific advisory board was equally skeptical. Introducing an entire
genetic pathway into rice seemed like a stretch. Still, the foundation
rolled the dice and supported the project.
It took 7 years, but Potrykus and Beyer eventually succeeded in making
golden rice by splicing two daffodil genes and a bacterial gene into the
rice genome. The eureka moment arrived late one night in Freiburg, Beyer
recalls. He was analyzing the molecular content of seeds produced in
Potrykus's lab, as he often did, using a technique called high-performance
liquid chromatography. This time, peaks showed up on the screen where they
had never appeared before—the signals of carotenoids. When Beyer went back
to look at the batch of seeds, he noticed something he had missed: The
grains had a faint yellow hue. Golden rice had been born.
The battle begins
Potrykus says he always knew golden rice—a Thai businessman suggested the
catchy name—would be controversial. As a professor in Switzerland, one of
the most fiercely anti- GM countries in Europe, he had been confronted with
angry students since the 1980s. To protect his plants, ETH spent several
million dollars on a grenade-proof greenhouse. For Beyer, unofficial road
signs declaring the Upper Rhine Valley a “GM technology-free region” are a
twice-daily reminder that the climate in Germany isn't much better.
But golden rice posed a special dilemma to GM crop opponents, admits
Benedikt Haerlin, who coordinated Greenpeace's European campaign at the time
and now works for the Foundation on Future Farming. Unlike the existing GM
crops that primarily helped farmers and pesticide companies, it was the
first crop designed to help poor consumers in developing countries. It might
save lives. The decision whether to oppose it weighed heavily on him,
Haerlin says, which is why he consulted with WHO experts on vitamin A and
why he traveled to Zürich to spend a day at Potrykus's lab to talk.
Potrykus, impressed by Haerlin's intelligence, hoped to convince his fellow
countryman.
He failed. Although Greenpeace pledged not to sabotage field trials, it did
launch an aggressive campaign against golden rice. It argued that the crop
was an industry PR ploy—seed company Syngenta was involved in the project,
the group pointed out—designed to win over a skeptical public and open the
door to other GM crops. Golden rice did not attack the underlying problem of
poverty, Greenpeace said; besides, other, better solutions to vitamin A
deficiency existed.
Perhaps Greenpeace's most effective argument, however, was that golden rice
simply wouldn't work. The most successful strain created in 2000 produced 1.
6 micrograms of pro-vitamin A per gram of rice. At that rate, an average 2-
year-old would need to eat 3 kilos of golden rice a day to reach the
recommended daily intake, Greenpeace said, and a breastfeeding mother more
than 6 kilos. To drive the point home, an activist in the Philippines sat
down behind a giant mound of golden rice during a press conference. “Fool's
gold,” Greenpeace called it.
A photo of the event, which quickly found its way around the world, still
makes Haerlin chuckle—and it still makes Potrykus angry. Greenpeace assumed
that children had to get all of their vitamin A from rice, which was
unrealistic; it also ignored the fact, says Potrykus, that even half the
recommended intake may prevent malnutrition. And Greenpeace assumed that the
uptake of beta carotene by the human gut and its conversion into vitamin A
were quite inefficient, resulting in one vitamin molecule for every 12
molecules of beta carotene. Nobody knew the true rate at the time, but a
recent, soon-to-be-published study among healthy volunteers who ate cooked
golden rice, led by Robert Russell of Tufts University in Boston, suggests
that it's more like one for every three or four. “That's really quite good,
” says Russell, who supports the golden rice project. (A similar study is
planned among people with marginal vitamin A deficiency in Asia.)
Haerlin says his calculations were based on the best data at the time. But
even if they were correct, Potrykus says, the first golden rice was just a
proof of principle. Greenpeace might as well have blamed the Wright brothers
for not building a transatlantic airplane, he says.
Industry gets in
The low beta-carotene yield would eventually be tackled by Syngenta—even
though Potrykus resented the way the company got involved. Between 1996 and
1999, Beyer's lab received funding through a European Commission contract
that also included agrochemical giant Zeneca (called AstraZeneca after a
merger in 1999). Under the program's rules, any benefits had to be shared by
the signers. AstraZeneca had not worked on golden rice per se, Potrykus
says, but the company claimed a share of that intellectual property anyway;
it was interested in developing the technology commercially, for instance in
health foods, says Potrykus, who was initially “furious” that a big
corporation now had a say in his project.
David Lawrence has a different take on those events: At the time,
AstraZeneca primarily wanted to support the humanitarian development of
golden rice, says the cur rent head of research at Syngenta; the company
didn't have any commercial plans. (AstraZeneca's agribusiness division
merged with that of Novartis to form Syngenta in 2000.) But whoever's right,
the move proved a blessing in disguise, Potrykus now says. At Syngenta, he
found a new partner in Adrian Dubock, a bubbly, fast-talking Brit with
experience in patents, product development, regulation, and marketing—
subjects Potrykus and Beyer admit they were clueless about.
Dubock helped work out a deal in which Syngenta could develop golden rice
commercially, but farmers in developing countries who make less than $10,000
a year could get it for free. He also helped solve patent problems with
several other companies. Dubock retired from Syngenta in 2007 but remains
involved as a member of the Golden Rice Humanitarian Board, a group Potrykus
chairs. “Without him, the project would have ended already,” Potrykus
says.
But perhaps most important, Syngenta scientists replaced a daffodil gene
with a maize gene, thus creating a new version of golden rice, dubbed GR2,
that produces up to 23 times more beta carotene in its seeds. Even with the
one-in-12 conversion factor, that meant 72 grams of dry rice per day would
suffice for a child, the company's scientists said in 2005. A 2006 paper by
Alexander Stein of the University of Hohenheim in Stuttgart, Germany,
estimated that the rice could have a major public health impact at a
reasonable cost.
Those results didn't convince the skeptics. Real-world studies are still
lacking, says WHO malnutrition expert Francesco Branca, noting that it's
unclear how many people will plant, buy, and eat golden rice. He says giving
out supplements, fortifying existing foods with vitamin A, and teaching
people to grow carrots or certain leafy vegetables are, for now, more
promising ways to fight the problem.
A golden future?
Today, the debate about golden rice has quieted down, in part because its
inventors are keeping a low profile. Syngenta stopped its research on golden
rice and licensed the rights to GR2 to the humanitarian board on World Food
Day in 2004; given consumers' distrust, there was no money in it, says
Lawrence. Most golden rice work is now taking place at six labs in the
Philippines, India, and Vietnam, the countries chosen as the best candidates
for the crop's launch.
There's a long way to go. Both the original golden rice, now called GR1, and
GR2 were created with Japonica cultivars that are scientists' favorites but
fare poorly in Asian fields. Researchers are now backcrossing seven GR1 and
GR2 lines with the long-grained, non-sticky Indica varieties popular among
Asia's farmers. In early April, researchers at the International Rice
Research Institute in the Philippines finally started a field trial with a
GR1 backcrossed into a widely used Indica variety called IR64—the first
field trial ever in Asia. (The only other outdoor studies were two done in
Louisiana in 2004 and 2005.) The new varieties must not only produce enough
beta carotene but also pass muster in terms of yield, seed quality, and
appearance.
The project could have been much further along, Potrykus says, if there
weren't so many rules governing GM crops that make little sense.
Conventional breeders can bombard plant cells with chemicals and radiation
to create useful mutants without having to check how it affects their DNA; a
GM insertion must be “clean”—that is, the extra genes must sit neatly in
a row without disrupting other genes—which adds months or even years to
the lab work. Because field trials take long to get approved, researchers
have been confined to greenhouses, in which they have trouble growing the
large numbers required for breeding and feeding studies. These requirements
have caused “year after year of delays,” Potrykus complains.
Even if field trials are successful, there are no guarantees that golden
rice will eventually be approved in the target countries. Use of other GM
crops, such as Bt cotton, has exploded in Asia in recent years (see
infographic). But GM rice has languished. In India and China, regulatory
agencies have shied away from approving insect-resistant GM rice despite
extensive testing. “The expectation is that they will [be approved]
eventually,” says Toenniessen, “but it's a major decision for any Asian
country.” Thailand, a major rice exporter, has decided to steer clear of GM
rice altogether.
Kavitha Kuruganti of the Centre for Sustainable Agriculture, an anti-GM
group in Hyderabad, India, promises a major battle should golden rice head
to the market in India. She thinks that the crop is unnecessary and probably
unsafe to eat and that a massive switch would reduce diversity and threaten
India's food security. “We will try to organize a broad public debate,”
she says.
Not worth funding?
Whether justified or not, the turmoil over golden rice has shaped other
efforts to improve the nutritional value of crops. Take Harvest- Plus. With
a $14 million annual budget that targets 12 crops, it aims to boost levels
of three key nutrients: vitamin A, iron, and zinc. It relies almost entirely
on conventional breeding—which has Greenpeace's blessing—because it wants
to have an impact fast, says Bouis, the director. What little GM technology
HarvestPlus supports is a “hedge,” in case the political and regulatory
climates shift.
But in plants that have little or no natural ability to produce a nutrient,
breeders have nothing to work with. Thus, vitamin A-enriched non-GM rice and
sorghum are essentially off the table, says Bouis, as is boosting zinc and
iron in sweet potatoes and cassava. Iron in rice is a question mark.
The uncertainty about the future of GM foods also tends to scare off the
financial donors on which programs like HarvestPlus depend. Rockefeller, for
instance, is frustrated that a GM rice whose field trials it helped pay for
in China is stalled, says Toenniessen. “To avoid making the decision to
approve it, the Chinese keep asking for more field trials,” he says. “In
the end, that becomes a foolish use of our funds.”
The only charity still investing massively in GM crops with enhanced
nutritional value is the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Through its
Grand Challenges in Global Health initiative, it is spending more than $36
million to support not only golden rice but also GM cassava, sorghum, and
bananas. The foundation declined to comment for this story. But the
researchers it supports say that they are optimistic that their products
will make it through the pipeline.
James Dale of Queensland University of Technology in Brisbane, Australia,
who heads a project to add iron, vitamin A, and vitamin E to bananas, says
he has learned several lessons from golden rice, including the importance of
local “ownership”—which is why he has teamed up with researchers in
Kampala. “This will be a Ugandan banana made by Ugandans,” he says.
Not that this mollifies opponents. Greenpeace will fight to keep GM bananas,
cassava, and sorghum from poor countries' fields, just as it will keep
opposing golden rice, says Janet Cotter of Greenpeace's Science Unit in
London.
Battle-scarred, Potrykus says he hasn't given up hope that the regulatory
system can be overhauled so that GM technology can benefit the poor. He
believes a massive, multimillion-dollar information campaign might help
convert the public. He has tried in vain to contact Bill Gates in hopes of
tapping his wealth for such a media blitz.
He also wrote the late Pope John Paul II to ask for support for golden rice.
“You know the definition of an optimist?” he jokes: “Someone who's
asking the church for money.” His Holiness declined, but Potrykus was
invited to join the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, where he hopes to
convene a meeting on golden rice next year—the 10th anniversary of his
tarnished invention.
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E*e
4
如果说怀孕,被拒的可能性更大。
在哪个城市签的?
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L*s
5
High了以后写点东西?/run

【在 l***y 的大作中提到】
: 四份 sweet Moscato, 三份 peach juice,一份 gins,两份 brandy,很多白糖,切成
: 片的青柠檬,一些冰块,染在 martini cup 里。
: 今夜,微醺后第四杯酒了。
: 要不搞杯 Irish coffee 然后睡觉?
: 要是周末就完美了。嗯。

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q*g
6
下次带你们结婚的照片。如果需要帮助,请pm我你们和你们父母的背景资料。
下次预约是哪里签?什么时间。
看了资料,基本可以给你个建议是试还是不试了。
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b*k
7
re!

【在 L*******s 的大作中提到】
: High了以后写点东西?/run
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l*0
8
北京

【在 E********e 的大作中提到】
: 如果说怀孕,被拒的可能性更大。
: 在哪个城市签的?

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l*r
9
你真是催命鬼啊

【在 L*******s 的大作中提到】
: High了以后写点东西?/run
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l*0
10
发了背景资料给你了。谢谢你的帮助。
下次预约也在北京,5/29上午7:30am.

【在 q********g 的大作中提到】
: 下次带你们结婚的照片。如果需要帮助,请pm我你们和你们父母的背景资料。
: 下次预约是哪里签?什么时间。
: 看了资料,基本可以给你个建议是试还是不试了。

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k*l
11
好会享受,怎么能喝了咖啡睡觉呢,我以前好几次喝了无名咖啡整夜不能睡,不过喝的
多了就越来越没作用了

【在 l***y 的大作中提到】
: 四份 sweet Moscato, 三份 peach juice,一份 gins,两份 brandy,很多白糖,切成
: 片的青柠檬,一些冰块,染在 martini cup 里。
: 今夜,微醺后第四杯酒了。
: 要不搞杯 Irish coffee 然后睡觉?
: 要是周末就完美了。嗯。

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s*o
12
说怀孕不好吧
父母分开签倒是有可能有帮助
我猜的

3

【在 l****0 的大作中提到】
: 我父母今年4/21号1000被拒。签证经过如下:
: 1、 签证官问:你们去美国干什么?
: 答:我们夫妻二人去美国旅游,160表、护照给了他
: 2、 你们是随团吗?
: 答:女儿女婿邀请我们去的,邀请函给他了
: 3、 接着把女婿的材料给他了
: 4、 签证官说把你全家的照片给我看,我就把照片给他了,这时他说OK,把材料和照片
: 都给我了,我把材料和照片又装进了文件夹
: 5、 问:你们两个是什么时候去的美国
: 答:女婿08年8月工作签证去的,现在的身份是H1B。女儿08年12月去美国探亲,09年3

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j*n
13
昨天总算尝到barcadi

【在 l***y 的大作中提到】
: 四份 sweet Moscato, 三份 peach juice,一份 gins,两份 brandy,很多白糖,切成
: 片的青柠檬,一些冰块,染在 martini cup 里。
: 今夜,微醺后第四杯酒了。
: 要不搞杯 Irish coffee 然后睡觉?
: 要是周末就完美了。嗯。

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l*9
14
--4、 签证官说把你全家的照片给我看
全家福推荐包括七大姑八大婆,特别是爷爷奶奶辈的
--5、 问:你们两个是什么时候去的美国
你肯定是问子女的时间吗,是不是问父母的旅行计划。。。就算是也应该说08年去的,
中间回属于回国休假,不算再次去探亲。不要回答太复杂。。。
--6、 这时签证官说把你的女儿的材料给我看
感觉是因为5自己把自己拉进去了。。。
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l*y
15
评价如何?

【在 j******n 的大作中提到】
: 昨天总算尝到barcadi
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g*0
16
I think the problem maybe that you are not working. In this case your
husbands parents may have more chance.

3

【在 l****0 的大作中提到】
: 我父母今年4/21号1000被拒。签证经过如下:
: 1、 签证官问:你们去美国干什么?
: 答:我们夫妻二人去美国旅游,160表、护照给了他
: 2、 你们是随团吗?
: 答:女儿女婿邀请我们去的,邀请函给他了
: 3、 接着把女婿的材料给他了
: 4、 签证官说把你全家的照片给我看,我就把照片给他了,这时他说OK,把材料和照片
: 都给我了,我把材料和照片又装进了文件夹
: 5、 问:你们两个是什么时候去的美国
: 答:女婿08年8月工作签证去的,现在的身份是H1B。女儿08年12月去美国探亲,09年3

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j*n
17
不错啊
不象欧洲的辛烈
不过我只是知道cocktail里有点
以前没特别注意这个brand

【在 l***y 的大作中提到】
: 评价如何?
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R*1
18
被拒原因很简单,就是LZ本身的问题。看样子,LZ是拿H4签证的,这个签证类型是既不
工作也不读书的签证,VO眼里是有的是时间回国看父母,没有必要父母一起去。再有就
是如果LZ是独生子女,父母再到美国了,可以不回。
不知道LZ的全部背景,仅据现有信息给个建议:让你父亲或母亲一个人签,不要两个一
起签了,因为前后也就两个月的样子,不可能有什么大的情况改变。再有就是怀孕不要
说,大大的不利条件。其实估计你不说,VO也会往那方面猜的。
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l*k
19
自制的吗?
回头我也试试
喜欢mint重的,冲鼻子醒神

【在 l***y 的大作中提到】
: 四份 sweet Moscato, 三份 peach juice,一份 gins,两份 brandy,很多白糖,切成
: 片的青柠檬,一些冰块,染在 martini cup 里。
: 今夜,微醺后第四杯酒了。
: 要不搞杯 Irish coffee 然后睡觉?
: 要是周末就完美了。嗯。

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R*1
20
或者让你公婆签,他们签过的机率要大得多,因为直接,当然如果LZ愿意让婆婆照顾月
子。说句大实话,可能不中听,LZ如果是H4,在VO眼里就已经是老公的附属身份了,附
属身份再邀请更加附属身份的,没那么容易和直接。
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k*l
21
你也喝酒吗?我可以抽烟,却不能喝一点酒。

【在 l******k 的大作中提到】
: 自制的吗?
: 回头我也试试
: 喜欢mint重的,冲鼻子醒神

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s*5
22
我觉得问题不再h4,应该是lz父母回答问题的方式。第一个问题,你们去美国干什么?
不应该说是旅游。就说是看女儿女婿,顺便在那边看一看,玩一玩。这样,签证官下面
的问题,可能就围绕问你父母打算去多长时间,国内是否还有工作。提问对象针对lz父
母,而不是针对小夫妻。而且要突出父母在国内还有社会关系,会及时回国。有没有类
似的工作证明,或者退休返聘证明。
我父母今年1月在北京一签,顺利通过。我现在的身份就是h4.只不过我还在上学,从学
校开了一个证明。老公公司开了一个证明,邀请信是我们两个人一起邀请的父母。我父
母两个人都开了国内的退休返聘证明。准备材料比较多。
签证的时候,结果这些都没看。我妈一直想递材料进去,可那个女签证官就是不看,什
麽都不看,邀请信, 老公公司证明,学校证明等。然后就通过了。
问的问题记不全了,但我妈说反复问了一个问题是,去没去过其他国家。我妈去过欧洲
和新西兰。我爸没有出过国。签证官,先问的我妈,然后回答完,就说我妈通过了。然
后又问的我爸,我爸说没有。比较吓人,虚惊一场,不过也通过了。 另外,还问了父
母的收入,职业。
愿楼主再好好准备一下材料。老两口早日顺利通过签证,全家人早日团聚,迎接宝宝的
到来。
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p*a
23
不能说就是自己玩么,老头老太自己玩也合理吧
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l*0
24
是的,我公婆去年12月份签的,很顺利,今年4月已经来美国了。当时我们是特别担心
我公婆签不过,因为我老公是独生子,而且公婆已经退休,老公08年来美国后一直没有
回国。结果是担心的过了,没怎么担心的却被拒签了。郁闷啊。

【在 g*******0 的大作中提到】
: I think the problem maybe that you are not working. In this case your
: husbands parents may have more chance.
:
: 3

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l*0
25
恩,有可能是我爸爸回答问题的时候不够圆。导致签证官怀疑。

【在 l***9 的大作中提到】
: --4、 签证官说把你全家的照片给我看
: 全家福推荐包括七大姑八大婆,特别是爷爷奶奶辈的
: --5、 问:你们两个是什么时候去的美国
: 你肯定是问子女的时间吗,是不是问父母的旅行计划。。。就算是也应该说08年去的,
: 中间回属于回国休假,不算再次去探亲。不要回答太复杂。。。
: --6、 这时签证官说把你的女儿的材料给我看
: 感觉是因为5自己把自己拉进去了。。。

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l*0
26
是打算让妈妈再去签一次。说怀孕和医院证明,是因为我一个朋友就是这样的情况,H4
,生产前她老公和她一起邀请她妈妈来美国,就是用的医院证明,说女儿马上临产了,
身体不是很好,需要母亲的陪伴和支持。结果她妈妈签证很顺利。所以就建议我用医院
的证明。现在我弄到了医院证明,说我怀双胞胎,高危妊娠,希望父母能来陪伴。纠结
啊,不知道该不该用这个证明。

【在 R******1 的大作中提到】
: 被拒原因很简单,就是LZ本身的问题。看样子,LZ是拿H4签证的,这个签证类型是既不
: 工作也不读书的签证,VO眼里是有的是时间回国看父母,没有必要父母一起去。再有就
: 是如果LZ是独生子女,父母再到美国了,可以不回。
: 不知道LZ的全部背景,仅据现有信息给个建议:让你父亲或母亲一个人签,不要两个一
: 起签了,因为前后也就两个月的样子,不可能有什么大的情况改变。再有就是怀孕不要
: 说,大大的不利条件。其实估计你不说,VO也会往那方面猜的。

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h*g
27
H4的父母那么难签吗?我父母是中信代签过的,也许面签比较难.感觉你爸妈的第一个问
题就应该回答来看你们,顺便来玩.然后就是邀请信应该认真准备,突出你老公和你一起
邀请你爸妈来.
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l*0
28
谢谢Sunny,可能我父母回答问题的方式确实需要改进一下。

【在 s*****5 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得问题不再h4,应该是lz父母回答问题的方式。第一个问题,你们去美国干什么?
: 不应该说是旅游。就说是看女儿女婿,顺便在那边看一看,玩一玩。这样,签证官下面
: 的问题,可能就围绕问你父母打算去多长时间,国内是否还有工作。提问对象针对lz父
: 母,而不是针对小夫妻。而且要突出父母在国内还有社会关系,会及时回国。有没有类
: 似的工作证明,或者退休返聘证明。
: 我父母今年1月在北京一签,顺利通过。我现在的身份就是h4.只不过我还在上学,从学
: 校开了一个证明。老公公司开了一个证明,邀请信是我们两个人一起邀请的父母。我父
: 母两个人都开了国内的退休返聘证明。准备材料比较多。
: 签证的时候,结果这些都没看。我妈一直想递材料进去,可那个女签证官就是不看,什
: 麽都不看,邀请信, 老公公司证明,学校证明等。然后就通过了。

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s*n
29
这个说的比较好
以夫妻双方写邀请信
先说看望女儿女婿,顺便玩
问有没有出国旅游,回答没有,但是在国内年年玩,这时候上照片,接着说这次去美国就是想看看国外,以后还
打算去欧洲,家里儿女收入好,老两口自己也积蓄保险,balabala,把话题拐到家里经济基础好,社会地位
高,社会联系和亲属众多上
lz的父母回答问题比较主动,但是方向不对,无论回答什么问题,都要指向家庭经济收入,社会地位,亲属联
系紧密上
多让父母看签经

【在 s*****5 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得问题不再h4,应该是lz父母回答问题的方式。第一个问题,你们去美国干什么?
: 不应该说是旅游。就说是看女儿女婿,顺便在那边看一看,玩一玩。这样,签证官下面
: 的问题,可能就围绕问你父母打算去多长时间,国内是否还有工作。提问对象针对lz父
: 母,而不是针对小夫妻。而且要突出父母在国内还有社会关系,会及时回国。有没有类
: 似的工作证明,或者退休返聘证明。
: 我父母今年1月在北京一签,顺利通过。我现在的身份就是h4.只不过我还在上学,从学
: 校开了一个证明。老公公司开了一个证明,邀请信是我们两个人一起邀请的父母。我父
: 母两个人都开了国内的退休返聘证明。准备材料比较多。
: 签证的时候,结果这些都没看。我妈一直想递材料进去,可那个女签证官就是不看,什
: 麽都不看,邀请信, 老公公司证明,学校证明等。然后就通过了。

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l*n
30
现在B1不应该是很简单嘛
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y*n
31
我也是H4,父母签证刚过. 签证官问的都是基本问题, 比如说女儿女婿叫什么. 倒是问
了女儿有没有孩子. 我因为是怀孕中, 孩子在法律上还不存在, 所以父母回答没有.
供LZ参考, 也bless你妈妈的2000
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D*r
32
You write a letter to the visa officer stating that your parents have strong
binding in China, such as they have sibblings, old parents to take care...
Their intention of the visit is for temporary purpose and have no intention
to stay in U.S. longer than expected.
Meanwhile ask your parents to bring Fang Chang Zheng, family photos (not
with you guys, all the photos with their extended family members.
You can also issue an I-134 form.
Hope this helps.

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【在 l****0 的大作中提到】
: 我父母今年4/21号1000被拒。签证经过如下:
: 1、 签证官问:你们去美国干什么?
: 答:我们夫妻二人去美国旅游,160表、护照给了他
: 2、 你们是随团吗?
: 答:女儿女婿邀请我们去的,邀请函给他了
: 3、 接着把女婿的材料给他了
: 4、 签证官说把你全家的照片给我看,我就把照片给他了,这时他说OK,把材料和照片
: 都给我了,我把材料和照片又装进了文件夹
: 5、 问:你们两个是什么时候去的美国
: 答:女婿08年8月工作签证去的,现在的身份是H1B。女儿08年12月去美国探亲,09年3

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E*e
33
明明是去探亲,非要说是旅游。第二个问题“你们是随团吗?”明显是怀疑旅游的真实性。为后面拒签埋下祸根。
拒签理由2: 您没有能使签证官相信,您符合您申请的签证类型的标准,或者将会遵守
此类签证对申请人的具体要求。
意思就是你父母去美国的理由不对。
不是H4的问题。如果H1B很忙,在为美国人打工,H4忙着照顾H1B的生活,H4的父母探亲是完全可以的。
3
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k*r
34
我爸妈也是3月份在北京被拒的,但是签证官要房产证,我爸妈住的单位分的房子,没
有房产证,然后就被拒了,我还是想让他们再签一次,来玩玩,可是房产证好像特别重
要,怎么办呢?
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y*n
35
再试一次吧
祝福祝福
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s*5
36
这个可能要看具体情形。我爸妈1月份签证,爸妈虽然带了两个房产证去。但是签证官
就是不看,只是问了我爸妈现在的退休金,和以前的职业。我爸看她不看,所以就知道
对着窗口向签证示意,这里有房产证。我也是家里的独女,08年来美国,10年回去过一
次。老公07年来美, 07年底回去过一次,就再没回过国。其实当时我挺担心我们回过
次数少给爸妈造成不好 影响的。
你可以看看,有没有别的办法弥补没有房产证。突出其实父母在国内也有富裕的生活来
源。
祝好运,早日在美和父母团圆。

【在 k****r 的大作中提到】
: 我爸妈也是3月份在北京被拒的,但是签证官要房产证,我爸妈住的单位分的房子,没
: 有房产证,然后就被拒了,我还是想让他们再签一次,来玩玩,可是房产证好像特别重
: 要,怎么办呢?

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s*5
37
不谢不谢。lz可以跟爸妈打电话,指导一下面签,模仿一下常规问题。
我当初把表格帮父母填好后,包括版上找了一些签经打印出来。一起给父母寄回过,毕
竟一签,老妈还是很认真准备的。然后面签前,我在这边模仿面签,电话问了问老妈问
题,考察了一下。呵呵。可能比较麻烦,但好好准备,会有好结果的。
另外补充,我也是家里独女。08年夏来美,10年底回过国一次。我老公07年夏来美,就
07年底12月回过一次国。当初父母签证的时候,很担心我们回国次数少,给爸妈造成不
好影响。所以嘱咐爸妈,回答问题有技巧,可以说我去年初回来过,(我是2010年12月
到11年1月在中国),尽量不说具体年月份,次数,免的听上去给人感觉2010年好久以
前的事啊,模糊概念。
你可以看看版上的一些签经,还是很受教的。
另外我觉得,只要签证官不问,最好不要说怀孕的事。免得惹是生非,这老外有时候想
法还就是和咱中国人不一样。
准备充分点,会有好结果的。加油!为双胞胎宝宝早日见到姥姥,姥爷祝福。好羡慕有
双胞胎哦。呵呵,好幸福。

【在 l****0 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢Sunny,可能我父母回答问题的方式确实需要改进一下。
avatar
h*u
38
独生女吗?要么多准备父母的亲戚兄弟姐妹等的照片?
父母退休了吗?准备点父母退休返聘,自己做生意。。。的证明?或者父母参加老年大
学,太极拳,舞蹈队。。。的证明及照片?
父母的父母还在吗?还在的话就说他们探亲完了还要回去照顾年迈的父母?
总而言之,要证明父母探亲完会回国。与中国有很强的联系。
个人感觉不建议说生孩子的事。
2000 做最充分的准备,和父母练一练模拟题,就算你心里着急,也要宽父母的心,多
鼓励,给他们信心,让他们2000的时候能放轻松。。
有时候签证就是运气的事,祝2000 碰到一个NICE的vo。
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