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鴻海機器人大軍 耗資4,500億 zz
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鴻海董事長郭台銘日前宣布,旗下富士康集團未來三年將新增100萬台機器人取代低階
人工,但大陸媒體指出,富士康大量採用機器人不是為了裁減人員,而是為了減少員工
枯燥、簡單重複的工作,而且總投資將高達人民幣1,000億元(約新台幣 4,500億元)。
中國經營報昨(6)日報導,郭台銘所稱的「機器人」在富士康內部被稱為「Foxbot」
,一般認為應是以富士康在2006年10月深圳高交會推出的「富士康深圳一號」機器人為
原型。「富士康深圳一號」當時曾現場演奏了「敏感詞」,展現富士康機器人高超而複
雜的技術水準。
中國經營報指出,富士康大量採用機器人不是為了裁減雇員。報導引述富士康內部人士
的話表示,「富士康在大陸最寶貴的財富仍然是100多萬名產業工人。」富士康機器人
在新建的成都工廠也有使用,但為iPhone外殼拋光這類工作,機器人基本上做不來,主
要還是得依靠人工。
如同郭台銘7月29日當晚所說,富士康的100萬台機器人未來主要將從事噴塗、焊接、裝
配等比較枯燥且相對簡單的重複性作業程序,富士康已經投入使用的一萬台機器人主要
就是做類似工作。
鴻超準產品事業群
(富士康網站)
報導還表示,富士康所需這100萬台富士康機器人不會從外購買,而是由富士康SHZBG(
鴻超準產品事業群)負責研發及製造。
根據富士康官網對鴻超準產品事業群的介紹,該事業群掌握「世界領先的精密模具設計
製造、機器人暨自動化設備機構/控制系統研發、光電/光通訊技術、塑膠/金屬表面
處理技術、精密機械加工技術等」。
中國經營報引述知情人士說法,如果富士康所需機器人的功能不過於複雜,透過大規模
工業化生產,成本可以控制在每台人民幣10萬元以內。以此估算,富士康三年內100萬
台的計畫,至少需要投資人民幣1,000億元。
中山大學嶺南學院財政稅務系主任林江認為,鴻海集團目前的現金流還不錯,但如果要
運用流動資金來購買機器人,公司財務壓力將會很大,而且由於這筆投資不是馬上能消
化得了,成本增加可能會使公司的毛利進一步降低。
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l*8
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The Biology I know (Original)
This article is written based on personal experience, and I have no
intention to make it as a generalized evaluation of basic biomedical
research and people within.
Not quite a while ago, I was a self-driven and hard-working postdoc.
Graduated from a top school with a record of productive research and working
in a top lab, I was so sure that, through my honest work and possibly a
little bit of luck, I would be able to land a faculty position someday. Now,
I am sure I don’t want to continue this career any more.
When I joined my PhD lab, I adored my boss – an influential figure who did
some interesting research long time ago. However, after six years of study,
I left the lab with very little respect for him, although he might be a
decent person as long as your performance is acceptable. Almost everyone in
the lab felt depressed (except his pets), and several of them experienced
deteriorating health. Eventually everyone knows that he is a self-absorbed,
hypocritical and indifferent person, and none truly respects him (except
those who don’t know him personally).
I left and joined an extremely famous lab. At the beginning I felt great –
compared with my previous lab, this was heaven. Everyone is nice (maybe
except one or two, but I really cannot ask for more), and many of them
become good friends. Having been tortured for my entire PhD study, I became
a diplomatic and observant person, and soon realized how much pain they have
been through. In addition, one of the few things that really bother me is
that almost everyone comfortably believes they are very good. I, however,
started to contemplate the meaning of my research and life.
1. What is the mission of research?
Research is about making discoveries. However, I found in my current lab, it
is all about making and publishing stories in top-tier journals. While this
philosophy is not necessarily wrong – papers determine the results of
grant applications, and I have seen this in other labs – many average
papers from big labs were published in Cell, Nature and Science, I don’t
like it. Scientists, as arguably the brightest people on earth and
especially those with reputation and resources, should be visionary leaders,
not merely paper-producers. My previous and current labs spend about 6
million dollars per annum in research, yet what is the impact of their
research? Very limited – I just could not see the impact proportionate to
the amount of money spent.
I shall emphasize here that I did see some labs, which are doing great
research. I also understand that it might take years or decades for basic
biomedical research findings to be transformed into something grand. I never
doubted the mission of NASA, which spends billions of dollars every year.
2. Mentor or slave driver?
“Slave driver” might be a little bit extreme. However, I have no doubt
that most PIs are insulting the word “mentor.” A few years back, I adored
so many PIs. Then over these years, I saw the majority of them fall from my
divine temple, through their own flaws. Some of them are very successful
from a practical point of view, but I have no respect for them. Only few of
them are truly decent people.
They only care about data. They don’t care about your future or feelings no
matter how hard you have been working. Life is never fair – mostly likely
most of us learned this the hard way. It is true that at the end of the day,
only less than 10% of postdocs will be able to land faculty positions, but
this does not mean that postdocs and students should not enjoy their work
and life. As mentors – if they call themselves this, they should listen and
develop the management and leadership skills to build a collegial and
friendly environment and meanwhile effectively motivate people.
3. Who we – students and postdocs – are?
Spending so many years in the ivory tower, a lot of students and postdocs
have developed the so called “tunnel vision.” To me, life is a long
process of discovering and improving myself and searching for happiness.
Life is a wonderful thing that is more than the lab, home, or grocery
shopping. We are individuals occupied by our own business, but we should
also have a broad perspective of the world, community, and life. I enjoyed
volunteering very much – but in fact, these whom I have been helping are
actually helping me. Because of them, I realized my weaknesses and started
to feel compelled to learn new knowledge and skills.
More importantly, a lot of scientists are socially awkward. Everyone is
flawed more or less, and I am of no exception. However, when I am looking at
my colleagues, I am tortured – they are nice people but they are so not
prepared for the competitive reality outside of campus. I once worked with a
girl from a very prestigious university in China, who was so self-centered
that she hurt a lot of people and everyone else hated her, yet her behavior
was tolerated by the boss. I also feel puzzled while another girl – after
suffering so much in the lab – still adores the boss blindly. It is
horrible to see that people can become so focused.
I am a lost soul on so many levels, and a lot of human behavior are beyond
what I can fathom. However, there are also quite a few things that I am
absolutely certain about: (1) I don’t want to and cannot be my bosses,
although you may say that they are very successfully scientists; (2) if
everything that I am experiencing now is just a means to the end, I doubt
that it’s worth it; and (3) I am not getting any younger.
However, at the end of the day, who cares about what I think? After all, I
am just nobody. Au revoir…
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E*y
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同情你楼主,希望你以后一切顺利。其实这是一个找大老板做postdoc mentor一个最大
的问题。据我有限的观察,从年轻PI lab,牛学校出来的postdoc找到faculty
position的几率比牛lab出来的几率高很多。senior 牛lab最大的问题是postdoc之间的
竞争非常残酷,一个lab至少10个postdoc,老板根本就是放养,随便你做什么,给你个
方向,你就自生自灭吧,一两个postdoc成功失败对他/她毫无影响。但小lab,年轻PI,
牛学校的这种PI一般都非常优秀,postdoc的成功对他/她非常重要,所以会花很多精
力在postdoc projects上,所以这样出来的postdoc反而更容易成功,可惜好多毕业生
一味追求大牛lab,其实是没有经验了。
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e*o
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Welcome to the new world.
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v*m
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自己写的?写得很好啊,第一次在版里见到这么好的英文文笔。

did

【在 l**********8 的大作中提到】
: The Biology I know (Original)
: This article is written based on personal experience, and I have no
: intention to make it as a generalized evaluation of basic biomedical
: research and people within.
: Not quite a while ago, I was a self-driven and hard-working postdoc.
: Graduated from a top school with a record of productive research and working
: in a top lab, I was so sure that, through my honest work and possibly a
: little bit of luck, I would be able to land a faculty position someday. Now,
: I am sure I don’t want to continue this career any more.
: When I joined my PhD lab, I adored my boss – an influential figure who did

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a*d
6
Fantastic post! I am sure many of us had similar experiences and shared
similar feeling. By the end of the day, even for most PIs, research is just
a job. And there are many better options outside of the "ivory tower" of
academia.
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l*8
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多谢!
的确是自己写的,以前中文写作就很好,而且这些年英文写得比较多。

【在 v**********m 的大作中提到】
: 自己写的?写得很好啊,第一次在版里见到这么好的英文文笔。
:
: did

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l*8
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You are right.
If this is only a job, then why should I choose this torturing job? That is
why I am leaving academia.

just

【在 a****d 的大作中提到】
: Fantastic post! I am sure many of us had similar experiences and shared
: similar feeling. By the end of the day, even for most PIs, research is just
: a job. And there are many better options outside of the "ivory tower" of
: academia.

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l*8
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多谢!我在PhD就被折磨过来的,倒不觉得现在有啥。
我对自己也比较有信心,If I really want it, I will make it, that is for sure.
只不过觉得这项工作既然如此不开心,就没必要坚持下去。

PI,

【在 E**********y 的大作中提到】
: 同情你楼主,希望你以后一切顺利。其实这是一个找大老板做postdoc mentor一个最大
: 的问题。据我有限的观察,从年轻PI lab,牛学校出来的postdoc找到faculty
: position的几率比牛lab出来的几率高很多。senior 牛lab最大的问题是postdoc之间的
: 竞争非常残酷,一个lab至少10个postdoc,老板根本就是放养,随便你做什么,给你个
: 方向,你就自生自灭吧,一两个postdoc成功失败对他/她毫无影响。但小lab,年轻PI,
: 牛学校的这种PI一般都非常优秀,postdoc的成功对他/她非常重要,所以会花很多精
: 力在postdoc projects上,所以这样出来的postdoc反而更容易成功,可惜好多毕业生
: 一味追求大牛lab,其实是没有经验了。

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v*m
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这么好的英文能力,你未来的路子很宽。

sure.

【在 l**********8 的大作中提到】
: 多谢!我在PhD就被折磨过来的,倒不觉得现在有啥。
: 我对自己也比较有信心,If I really want it, I will make it, that is for sure.
: 只不过觉得这项工作既然如此不开心,就没必要坚持下去。
:
: PI,

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a*e
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You will be fine, believe in yourself. Best wishes!

working
Now,
did

【在 l**********8 的大作中提到】
: The Biology I know (Original)
: This article is written based on personal experience, and I have no
: intention to make it as a generalized evaluation of basic biomedical
: research and people within.
: Not quite a while ago, I was a self-driven and hard-working postdoc.
: Graduated from a top school with a record of productive research and working
: in a top lab, I was so sure that, through my honest work and possibly a
: little bit of luck, I would be able to land a faculty position someday. Now,
: I am sure I don’t want to continue this career any more.
: When I joined my PhD lab, I adored my boss – an influential figure who did

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n*7
12
能写这个证明lz还是比较年轻的
看明白就好
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W*o
13
this post is depressing, which is also the reality in the world of biology
research.

working
Now,
did

【在 l**********8 的大作中提到】
: The Biology I know (Original)
: This article is written based on personal experience, and I have no
: intention to make it as a generalized evaluation of basic biomedical
: research and people within.
: Not quite a while ago, I was a self-driven and hard-working postdoc.
: Graduated from a top school with a record of productive research and working
: in a top lab, I was so sure that, through my honest work and possibly a
: little bit of luck, I would be able to land a faculty position someday. Now,
: I am sure I don’t want to continue this career any more.
: When I joined my PhD lab, I adored my boss – an influential figure who did

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c*r
14
写的不错~
说起来讽刺的很,当时做生物的原因是年轻在医学院轮转的时候觉得很多医生帮不了病
人才去做基础研究...尤其是在儿童血液病科轮转...觉得只有做基础研究才能make the
difference。
然后我phd最后一年决定转行之后,在组会的时候开始经常神游:
你们争得面红耳赤的这些问题对于人类了解自然世界或者提高健康福祉真的有那么大意
义么?
最后的last straw也算是我的phd老板的一席话
他是极其聪明的一个人,当年放弃了做临床医生的出路做研究,
找postdoc的时候decline了2个nobel laureates的offer
找教职decline了Harvard的offer
独立后做的也很成功。
极其热爱科研的一个人,正教授了还可以在显微镜室一呆几个小时,跟人聊科研的样子
根本不像50多岁的人,完全就是一个热情过度的本科生...
然而他在我离开实验室的告别聚餐上说,如果重新让我选一次,我绝对不会选择做生物
研究。
原因? 恶劣的经费和考评/文章发表制度,高压力的生活和窘境的经济基础,当然还
有就是真正的意义...
转行后在法学院也是,接触到了很多进了大所做corporate lawyer挣很多钱的律师一点
都不开心,反而是经常接触三教九流,给没权没势没钱的人打官司的的很多public
sector的律师对自己的工作更有成绩成就感,虽然挣钱比前者远少得多...
现在我觉得自己开心就好了,如果有还可以的工资就更好了,做的工作能实在的帮助到
人可能是最有成就感的...
当然可能我这种人就是太天真太naive,压根就不适合做科研,也挺好,把做科研的权
利留给真正热爱的人就好了
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n*g
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读了一半就停下来了
绝大部分PhD学生都觉得他/她博士老板是不可理喻,是垃圾,是心术坏人
其实博士老板能给PhD学生的就是一份工资,一扇窗户,和关键时刻的一臂之力。学术
之路还是要靠PhD学生自己。postdoc也是如此。
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w*r
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一扇窗户是什么东西?

【在 n******g 的大作中提到】
: 读了一半就停下来了
: 绝大部分PhD学生都觉得他/她博士老板是不可理喻,是垃圾,是心术坏人
: 其实博士老板能给PhD学生的就是一份工资,一扇窗户,和关键时刻的一臂之力。学术
: 之路还是要靠PhD学生自己。postdoc也是如此。

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n*g
17
introduction to a research area

【在 w***r 的大作中提到】
: 一扇窗户是什么东西?
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n*7
18
不出所料是个PI
故意曲解lz的意思
lz谈论的是整个烂坑
当年白人给贩卖过来的黑奴也是一扇窗不是?
自私心术坏就是这意思了

【在 n******g 的大作中提到】
: 读了一半就停下来了
: 绝大部分PhD学生都觉得他/她博士老板是不可理喻,是垃圾,是心术坏人
: 其实博士老板能给PhD学生的就是一份工资,一扇窗户,和关键时刻的一臂之力。学术
: 之路还是要靠PhD学生自己。postdoc也是如此。

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t*y
19
和作者分享两个并不成熟的观点:
1、靠山山倒,靠水水流,靠人,人靠不住,你的人生不是建立在一个人,一件事上。
事业是你愿意做的事情,是一辈子的事情。有了事业的目标--比如你就是要攻克某种
疾病,就是要了解某个机理,这都很好--得失心会轻一些。
2、做自己喜欢的事,如果不喜欢就应该转行。树挪死,人挪活,自己好不容易一辈子
,找到了自己真正喜欢,又觉得很重要的事情,就去做吧。
祝你能够成功和快乐。
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x*a
20
楼主写的真好, 揭开生物研究的真实状况。年青人不要再入这行, 不要被黑心pi误导,
更不要喝他们的鸡汤。好文要顶滴。

【在 t******y 的大作中提到】
: 和作者分享两个并不成熟的观点:
: 1、靠山山倒,靠水水流,靠人,人靠不住,你的人生不是建立在一个人,一件事上。
: 事业是你愿意做的事情,是一辈子的事情。有了事业的目标--比如你就是要攻克某种
: 疾病,就是要了解某个机理,这都很好--得失心会轻一些。
: 2、做自己喜欢的事,如果不喜欢就应该转行。树挪死,人挪活,自己好不容易一辈子
: ,找到了自己真正喜欢,又觉得很重要的事情,就去做吧。
: 祝你能够成功和快乐。

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N*n
21
请问楼主是怎么写出这么好的英文的?
每天都读写吗?
谢谢
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T*i
22
第一点不太同意。要是其他行业,靠着自己的能力,买台电脑就可以钻研。生物医药不
一样,如果不能及时成功的话(比如找到发考题位置,比如拿到R01,比如及时发文章
),很快就被体系淘汰。这个体系就是逼着人疲于奔命。

【在 t******y 的大作中提到】
: 和作者分享两个并不成熟的观点:
: 1、靠山山倒,靠水水流,靠人,人靠不住,你的人生不是建立在一个人,一件事上。
: 事业是你愿意做的事情,是一辈子的事情。有了事业的目标--比如你就是要攻克某种
: 疾病,就是要了解某个机理,这都很好--得失心会轻一些。
: 2、做自己喜欢的事,如果不喜欢就应该转行。树挪死,人挪活,自己好不容易一辈子
: ,找到了自己真正喜欢,又觉得很重要的事情,就去做吧。
: 祝你能够成功和快乐。

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l*8
23
你写得也很不错。
至少你对你曾经的PhD老板不反感吧?
你最后两段让我很有共鸣,加油!

the

【在 c********r 的大作中提到】
: 写的不错~
: 说起来讽刺的很,当时做生物的原因是年轻在医学院轮转的时候觉得很多医生帮不了病
: 人才去做基础研究...尤其是在儿童血液病科轮转...觉得只有做基础研究才能make the
: difference。
: 然后我phd最后一年决定转行之后,在组会的时候开始经常神游:
: 你们争得面红耳赤的这些问题对于人类了解自然世界或者提高健康福祉真的有那么大意
: 义么?
: 最后的last straw也算是我的phd老板的一席话
: 他是极其聪明的一个人,当年放弃了做临床医生的出路做研究,
: 找postdoc的时候decline了2个nobel laureates的offer

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l*8
24
谢谢!
1. 你的想法是对的,但是对生物研究这个群体比较失望。
2. 对的,准备转行了。。。

【在 t******y 的大作中提到】
: 和作者分享两个并不成熟的观点:
: 1、靠山山倒,靠水水流,靠人,人靠不住,你的人生不是建立在一个人,一件事上。
: 事业是你愿意做的事情,是一辈子的事情。有了事业的目标--比如你就是要攻克某种
: 疾病,就是要了解某个机理,这都很好--得失心会轻一些。
: 2、做自己喜欢的事,如果不喜欢就应该转行。树挪死,人挪活,自己好不容易一辈子
: ,找到了自己真正喜欢,又觉得很重要的事情,就去做吧。
: 祝你能够成功和快乐。

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l*8
25
谢谢。
多读多写多想,如此而已。

【在 N******n 的大作中提到】
: 请问楼主是怎么写出这么好的英文的?
: 每天都读写吗?
: 谢谢

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c*9
26
Good writing. 很能体会你的感受。我做博后的时候曾为同样的事情困扰,也是有点名
气的老板靠发CNS文章拿很多funding混得人模狗样的,但Lab的大多数人都活得很挣扎
,因为经常重复不出自己Lab文章里的实验。我比较较真,一半时间做试验一半时间要
跟老板周旋,可想而知很伤神。老板尽管不情愿修改以前提的model,但我技术好对照
严谨,结果他也无话可说。当然我尽量不当面顶撞他,加上在Lab比较无私训练新人,
他对我也还过得去。靠几篇文章(没CNS),找到了个二流州立大学的AP,开始就铁了心
做跟博后工作完成无关的课题,赌得有点大。终于在第四年凭借一个挺有意思的发现进
入了一个新的领域,后拿到了R01也刚顺利tenured,但最令我欣慰的是我们的结果很多
同行都能重复出来并能往下做。因此尽管是个小scientist, 但对science的热情仍然保
持着,为我工作的人也很self-motivated。未来谁也无法预料,但又怎么样呢。希望你
正在经历的事能帮助你成长,利用你老板的资源做你能做的事,相信不远的某一天你也
可以做自己想做的事。让我们共勉!

This article is written based on personal experience, and I have no
intention to make it........

【在 l**********8 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢。
: 多读多写多想,如此而已。

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d*e
27
生物这个行业至少目前是一个僧多粥少的行业, 其实PI 同样是这个行业的受害者. 他
们只care data, 只想发好文章, 主要还是因为funding的压力. 如果有足够的funding
支持, 我想会有更多的PI做一些踏踏实实的科研. 就像几百年前的哲学家, 大多是衣食
无忧的贵族. 如果整天为生活奔波, 恐怕心情去想别的.
另外,希望PI有更好的管理能力, 其实有点难为他们. PI 的选拔机制主要还是以科研能
力作为唯一标准. 他们没有经过任何的管理方面的培训和考核. 即使他们想自己提高
管理能力, 在巨大的funding压力之下, 他们也很难有时间去提高.

working
Now,
did

【在 l**********8 的大作中提到】
: The Biology I know (Original)
: This article is written based on personal experience, and I have no
: intention to make it as a generalized evaluation of basic biomedical
: research and people within.
: Not quite a while ago, I was a self-driven and hard-working postdoc.
: Graduated from a top school with a record of productive research and working
: in a top lab, I was so sure that, through my honest work and possibly a
: little bit of luck, I would be able to land a faculty position someday. Now,
: I am sure I don’t want to continue this career any more.
: When I joined my PhD lab, I adored my boss – an influential figure who did

avatar
z*t
28
即将读完PhD对很多人和事都开始比较呵呵了,不过对自己想出来有点苗头的好多idea
还是难以割舍。
真是纠结...
前几天和一个对science及其充满热情的小师弟聊天,我说我这几年最大的变化就是“
not excited by everything/everybody”

working
Now,
did

【在 l**********8 的大作中提到】
: The Biology I know (Original)
: This article is written based on personal experience, and I have no
: intention to make it as a generalized evaluation of basic biomedical
: research and people within.
: Not quite a while ago, I was a self-driven and hard-working postdoc.
: Graduated from a top school with a record of productive research and working
: in a top lab, I was so sure that, through my honest work and possibly a
: little bit of luck, I would be able to land a faculty position someday. Now,
: I am sure I don’t want to continue this career any more.
: When I joined my PhD lab, I adored my boss – an influential figure who did

avatar
z*t
29
即将读完PhD对很多人和事都开始比较呵呵了,不过对自己想出来有点苗头的好多idea
还是难以割舍。
真是纠结...
前几天和一个对science及其充满热情的小师弟聊天,我说我这几年最大的变化就是“
not excited by everything/everybody”

working
Now,
did

【在 l**********8 的大作中提到】
: The Biology I know (Original)
: This article is written based on personal experience, and I have no
: intention to make it as a generalized evaluation of basic biomedical
: research and people within.
: Not quite a while ago, I was a self-driven and hard-working postdoc.
: Graduated from a top school with a record of productive research and working
: in a top lab, I was so sure that, through my honest work and possibly a
: little bit of luck, I would be able to land a faculty position someday. Now,
: I am sure I don’t want to continue this career any more.
: When I joined my PhD lab, I adored my boss – an influential figure who did

avatar
r*e
30
you said it all.
i came from pku. once upon a time, i thought i can make a dent in the field.
but more and more i see people care less about science but "stories". any
research is hard, but biomedical research is beyond one's imagination. not
to mention the way pi treats trainees.
one day or another, one has to wake up.
best wishes!

working
Now,
did

【在 l**********8 的大作中提到】
: The Biology I know (Original)
: This article is written based on personal experience, and I have no
: intention to make it as a generalized evaluation of basic biomedical
: research and people within.
: Not quite a while ago, I was a self-driven and hard-working postdoc.
: Graduated from a top school with a record of productive research and working
: in a top lab, I was so sure that, through my honest work and possibly a
: little bit of luck, I would be able to land a faculty position someday. Now,
: I am sure I don’t want to continue this career any more.
: When I joined my PhD lab, I adored my boss – an influential figure who did

avatar
r*e
31
you said it all.
i came from pku. once upon a time, i thought i can make a dent in the field.
but more and more i see people care less about science but "stories". any
research is hard, but biomedical research is beyond one's imagination. not
to mention the way pi treats trainees.
one day or another, one has to wake up.
best wishes!

working
Now,
did

【在 l**********8 的大作中提到】
: The Biology I know (Original)
: This article is written based on personal experience, and I have no
: intention to make it as a generalized evaluation of basic biomedical
: research and people within.
: Not quite a while ago, I was a self-driven and hard-working postdoc.
: Graduated from a top school with a record of productive research and working
: in a top lab, I was so sure that, through my honest work and possibly a
: little bit of luck, I would be able to land a faculty position someday. Now,
: I am sure I don’t want to continue this career any more.
: When I joined my PhD lab, I adored my boss – an influential figure who did

avatar
r*e
32
you said it all.
i came from pku. once upon a time, i thought i can make a dent in the field.
but more and more i see people care less about science but "stories". any
research is hard, but biomedical research is beyond one's imagination. not
to mention the way pi treats trainees.
one day or another, one has to wake up.
best wishes!

working
Now,
did

【在 l**********8 的大作中提到】
: The Biology I know (Original)
: This article is written based on personal experience, and I have no
: intention to make it as a generalized evaluation of basic biomedical
: research and people within.
: Not quite a while ago, I was a self-driven and hard-working postdoc.
: Graduated from a top school with a record of productive research and working
: in a top lab, I was so sure that, through my honest work and possibly a
: little bit of luck, I would be able to land a faculty position someday. Now,
: I am sure I don’t want to continue this career any more.
: When I joined my PhD lab, I adored my boss – an influential figure who did

avatar
r*k
33
Hi Littfish,
非常感谢您写这些。我从前对我的老板跟你的感觉一样。 adored her but now has
little respect of her. 有时候想想真不想干了,觉得我们老板虚伪的很。

working
Now,
did

【在 l**********8 的大作中提到】
: The Biology I know (Original)
: This article is written based on personal experience, and I have no
: intention to make it as a generalized evaluation of basic biomedical
: research and people within.
: Not quite a while ago, I was a self-driven and hard-working postdoc.
: Graduated from a top school with a record of productive research and working
: in a top lab, I was so sure that, through my honest work and possibly a
: little bit of luck, I would be able to land a faculty position someday. Now,
: I am sure I don’t want to continue this career any more.
: When I joined my PhD lab, I adored my boss – an influential figure who did

avatar
r*k
34
Hi Rockylake
Yeah, My mentor or I should call her boss only cares about stories. Have you
finished your PhD? I really wanna drop out..

field.

【在 r*******e 的大作中提到】
: you said it all.
: i came from pku. once upon a time, i thought i can make a dent in the field.
: but more and more i see people care less about science but "stories". any
: research is hard, but biomedical research is beyond one's imagination. not
: to mention the way pi treats trainees.
: one day or another, one has to wake up.
: best wishes!
:
: working
: Now,

avatar
r*k
35
Hi Rockylake
Yeah, My mentor or I should call her boss only cares about stories. Have you
finished your PhD? I really wanna drop out..

field.

【在 r*******e 的大作中提到】
: you said it all.
: i came from pku. once upon a time, i thought i can make a dent in the field.
: but more and more i see people care less about science but "stories". any
: research is hard, but biomedical research is beyond one's imagination. not
: to mention the way pi treats trainees.
: one day or another, one has to wake up.
: best wishes!
:
: working
: Now,

avatar
f*k
36
你最后一句话直接击中我心坎。
临床上,对什么都不感兴趣,什么都不能让你激动是抑郁症的典型症状
我觉得我已经抑郁很久了

idea

【在 z*t 的大作中提到】
: 即将读完PhD对很多人和事都开始比较呵呵了,不过对自己想出来有点苗头的好多idea
: 还是难以割舍。
: 真是纠结...
: 前几天和一个对science及其充满热情的小师弟聊天,我说我这几年最大的变化就是“
: not excited by everything/everybody”
:
: working
: Now,
: did

avatar
f*k
37
你最后一句话直接击中我心坎。
临床上,对什么都不感兴趣,什么都不能让你激动是抑郁症的典型症状
我觉得我已经抑郁很久了

idea

【在 z*t 的大作中提到】
: 即将读完PhD对很多人和事都开始比较呵呵了,不过对自己想出来有点苗头的好多idea
: 还是难以割舍。
: 真是纠结...
: 前几天和一个对science及其充满热情的小师弟聊天,我说我这几年最大的变化就是“
: not excited by everything/everybody”
:
: working
: Now,
: did

avatar
f*k
38
great article!! I feel you by every word!
the only exception is that I really respect my PhD mentor. He is a really
great scientist with great character. He always put his students before his
career. I really wish there were more PIs like him in this field but that's
just impossible. People like him are just too selfless for this field.

working
Now,
did

【在 l**********8 的大作中提到】
: The Biology I know (Original)
: This article is written based on personal experience, and I have no
: intention to make it as a generalized evaluation of basic biomedical
: research and people within.
: Not quite a while ago, I was a self-driven and hard-working postdoc.
: Graduated from a top school with a record of productive research and working
: in a top lab, I was so sure that, through my honest work and possibly a
: little bit of luck, I would be able to land a faculty position someday. Now,
: I am sure I don’t want to continue this career any more.
: When I joined my PhD lab, I adored my boss – an influential figure who did

avatar
f*b
39

那是在中国,而且在那个特定的时期。在美国有这个想法就很奇怪了。
又掉进了另一个怪圈。

【在 c********r 的大作中提到】
: 写的不错~
: 说起来讽刺的很,当时做生物的原因是年轻在医学院轮转的时候觉得很多医生帮不了病
: 人才去做基础研究...尤其是在儿童血液病科轮转...觉得只有做基础研究才能make the
: difference。
: 然后我phd最后一年决定转行之后,在组会的时候开始经常神游:
: 你们争得面红耳赤的这些问题对于人类了解自然世界或者提高健康福祉真的有那么大意
: 义么?
: 最后的last straw也算是我的phd老板的一席话
: 他是极其聪明的一个人,当年放弃了做临床医生的出路做研究,
: 找postdoc的时候decline了2个nobel laureates的offer

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t*t
40
写的确实很有味道, 我也读了好多遍, 无关乎内容, 写作还是很强悍的

【在 l**********8 的大作中提到】
: 多谢!
: 的确是自己写的,以前中文写作就很好,而且这些年英文写得比较多。

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D*p
41
楼主的英文水平不是一般的好,可以考虑做个editor什么的,加油!
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c*e
42
写得很好, 能感受到这是楼主发自肺腑的感受,谢谢分享。
你已经决定走出象牙塔,相信你很快可以找到属于自己天地。其实大部分版上的同胞能
力都没得说,只要没有身份限制,不把自己局限在学术的独木桥上,都能有较好的发展。
祝你好运。
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z*t
43
一声叹息,生活还得继续,我们不还得找到激情点亮我们的生活不是:)在圈里久了真的
要出来透透气,知道自己要什么

【在 f******k 的大作中提到】
: 你最后一句话直接击中我心坎。
: 临床上,对什么都不感兴趣,什么都不能让你激动是抑郁症的典型症状
: 我觉得我已经抑郁很久了
:
: idea

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l*8
44
再次看自己以前的挣扎,恍如隔世啊!
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g*s
45
如果NIH不参与调控从业人员的规模,增加Funding,也就能好过点3-5年。 楼主写得不
错。

funding

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】
: 生物这个行业至少目前是一个僧多粥少的行业, 其实PI 同样是这个行业的受害者. 他
: 们只care data, 只想发好文章, 主要还是因为funding的压力. 如果有足够的funding
: 支持, 我想会有更多的PI做一些踏踏实实的科研. 就像几百年前的哲学家, 大多是衣食
: 无忧的贵族. 如果整天为生活奔波, 恐怕心情去想别的.
: 另外,希望PI有更好的管理能力, 其实有点难为他们. PI 的选拔机制主要还是以科研能
: 力作为唯一标准. 他们没有经过任何的管理方面的培训和考核. 即使他们想自己提高
: 管理能力, 在巨大的funding压力之下, 他们也很难有时间去提高.
:
: working
: Now,

avatar
g*s
46
如果NIH不参与调控从业人员的规模,增加Funding,也就能好过点3-5年。 楼主写得不
错。

funding

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】
: 生物这个行业至少目前是一个僧多粥少的行业, 其实PI 同样是这个行业的受害者. 他
: 们只care data, 只想发好文章, 主要还是因为funding的压力. 如果有足够的funding
: 支持, 我想会有更多的PI做一些踏踏实实的科研. 就像几百年前的哲学家, 大多是衣食
: 无忧的贵族. 如果整天为生活奔波, 恐怕心情去想别的.
: 另外,希望PI有更好的管理能力, 其实有点难为他们. PI 的选拔机制主要还是以科研能
: 力作为唯一标准. 他们没有经过任何的管理方面的培训和考核. 即使他们想自己提高
: 管理能力, 在巨大的funding压力之下, 他们也很难有时间去提高.
:
: working
: Now,

avatar
w*u
47
Life is, for sure, is full of compromises. The better we adapt to this harsh
reality, the better people we become. I have been putting my best efforts
to balance my likewise "visionary science" vs. harsh reality of perverse
academic incentives. Here's my solution in a long run, if it would ever work.
1. "manufacture" a good "story" as best I can. Have a happy ending with my
pragmatic big-name mentor. Maximize my chances of landing a faculty position.
2. start a independent career. Keep prioritizing fundable, more-or-less
predictable, risk-free, publication-driven research until I become strong
enough to pursue risky/visionary science.
3. shift my focus to pursuing the most fundamental science that I have been
truly interested in.
4. most importantly, stay positive, be happy and be promising throughout the
journey, hopefully.
It really takes time and efforts to get there. But I will take a shot anyway.

working
Now,
did

【在 l**********8 的大作中提到】
: The Biology I know (Original)
: This article is written based on personal experience, and I have no
: intention to make it as a generalized evaluation of basic biomedical
: research and people within.
: Not quite a while ago, I was a self-driven and hard-working postdoc.
: Graduated from a top school with a record of productive research and working
: in a top lab, I was so sure that, through my honest work and possibly a
: little bit of luck, I would be able to land a faculty position someday. Now,
: I am sure I don’t want to continue this career any more.
: When I joined my PhD lab, I adored my boss – an influential figure who did

avatar
k*n
48
思维清晰有洞见,有自省有眼界,有同理心有赤子心,有坚持--不随波不走“捷径”,
诚实面对内心的声音。我曾也经历过博士博士后,以我在工业界浅薄的资历以及接触到
我们这边的“遭人喜欢”,“受人尊敬“或者“成功”的人的共性来看,楼主所反映出
来的自身特质和他们有很好的重合:实事求是是第一位的,我们虽然喜欢“故事”,但
是我们的产品每天被数以万计的人用着,好用和可靠永远最重要。无论是我所在的巨无
霸还是中小型创业公司,有同理心能自省的一般能成为优秀的领导者。。。当然我也看
到很多勾心斗角,急功近利,厚颜无耻,但是脱离了诚实和团队合作意识,从长时间来
看,这样的人在工业界走不远
至于楼主的文笔,我有付2万美金订阅他专栏的冲动
各位,圣诞新年快乐
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h*g
49
生物就是个大火坑,早跳出来早托生。也是过来人
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e*6
51
赞正能量,做科研真的要self motivated,前几年上课考qualified等杂事比较多,科
研没全心做,今年开始全力做research, 发现很有意思,真是每天想着如何优化如何改
进。
几年前毕业的一个师兄,本来读ms时候做论文对科研产生了浓厚兴趣,就决定读博,一
路下来也是准一流公立的ap了。

【在 c****9 的大作中提到】
: Good writing. 很能体会你的感受。我做博后的时候曾为同样的事情困扰,也是有点名
: 气的老板靠发CNS文章拿很多funding混得人模狗样的,但Lab的大多数人都活得很挣扎
: ,因为经常重复不出自己Lab文章里的实验。我比较较真,一半时间做试验一半时间要
: 跟老板周旋,可想而知很伤神。老板尽管不情愿修改以前提的model,但我技术好对照
: 严谨,结果他也无话可说。当然我尽量不当面顶撞他,加上在Lab比较无私训练新人,
: 他对我也还过得去。靠几篇文章(没CNS),找到了个二流州立大学的AP,开始就铁了心
: 做跟博后工作完成无关的课题,赌得有点大。终于在第四年凭借一个挺有意思的发现进
: 入了一个新的领域,后拿到了R01也刚顺利tenured,但最令我欣慰的是我们的结果很多
: 同行都能重复出来并能往下做。因此尽管是个小scientist, 但对science的热情仍然保
: 持着,为我工作的人也很self-motivated。未来谁也无法预料,但又怎么样呢。希望你

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l*8
53
你请不起。

researchers
and
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z*t
54
楼主后来转了吗?

【在 l**********8 的大作中提到】
: 你请不起。
:
: researchers
: and

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a*e
55
离黑煤窑越远越好。
世人都看得明白,就是里面的包身工看不明白。
最迷惑人的就是:
偶尔提拔几个包身工成发考题,就把其他的哄得啃吃啃吃的挖煤。
那几个被提拔的还偶尔来谈谈成功心得,其他的就不断改进挖煤技巧。
再在黑煤窑上镶个金边,挖煤就有了永恒的意义。
人肉电池而已。连这个都砍不透,就这种智商和judgement,还是别搞科研了,或者活
该做一辈子包身工。

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【在 l**********8 的大作中提到】
: The Biology I know (Original)
: This article is written based on personal experience, and I have no
: intention to make it as a generalized evaluation of basic biomedical
: research and people within.
: Not quite a while ago, I was a self-driven and hard-working postdoc.
: Graduated from a top school with a record of productive research and working
: in a top lab, I was so sure that, through my honest work and possibly a
: little bit of luck, I would be able to land a faculty position someday. Now,
: I am sure I don’t want to continue this career any more.
: When I joined my PhD lab, I adored my boss – an influential figure who did

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S*l
56
考个lsat吧。要是嘴也利索的话。
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l*8
57
多谢表扬。
基于你的启发,开了一个博客:
http://litterfish28.blogspot.com
以后有空会陆续写一些,做一些有益的事儿。

【在 k****n 的大作中提到】
: 思维清晰有洞见,有自省有眼界,有同理心有赤子心,有坚持--不随波不走“捷径”,
: 诚实面对内心的声音。我曾也经历过博士博士后,以我在工业界浅薄的资历以及接触到
: 我们这边的“遭人喜欢”,“受人尊敬“或者“成功”的人的共性来看,楼主所反映出
: 来的自身特质和他们有很好的重合:实事求是是第一位的,我们虽然喜欢“故事”,但
: 是我们的产品每天被数以万计的人用着,好用和可靠永远最重要。无论是我所在的巨无
: 霸还是中小型创业公司,有同理心能自省的一般能成为优秀的领导者。。。当然我也看
: 到很多勾心斗角,急功近利,厚颜无耻,但是脱离了诚实和团队合作意识,从长时间来
: 看,这样的人在工业界走不远
: 至于楼主的文笔,我有付2万美金订阅他专栏的冲动
: 各位,圣诞新年快乐

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w*2
58
What are you doing now?
"Science is just show biz." One of my postdoc mentors told me. He got his MD
PhD separately in Ivy League schools. His dream was to retire as soon as
possible.
Pure science happens only when you don't rely on it to make a living.
Otherwise, make your stories, publish them, and assume those are your
achievements and productivities.

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【在 l**********8 的大作中提到】
: The Biology I know (Original)
: This article is written based on personal experience, and I have no
: intention to make it as a generalized evaluation of basic biomedical
: research and people within.
: Not quite a while ago, I was a self-driven and hard-working postdoc.
: Graduated from a top school with a record of productive research and working
: in a top lab, I was so sure that, through my honest work and possibly a
: little bit of luck, I would be able to land a faculty position someday. Now,
: I am sure I don’t want to continue this career any more.
: When I joined my PhD lab, I adored my boss – an influential figure who did

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