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为什么学石油的毕业之后工资普遍比其它工科高？

为什么学石油的毕业之后工资普遍比其它工科高？# ChemEng - 化学工程

t*s2010-03-17 07:03

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为什么学石油的毕业之后工资普遍比其它工科高？
我分析可能的原因是：
1. 石油行业景气
2. 石油工程的毕业生，供不应求，所以物以稀为贵
大家认为是什么原因？
http://www.naceweb.org/Press/Releases/Early_Report_Shows_Lower_Average_Salary_for_College_Class_of_2010.aspx
10 top-paid bachelor’s degrees in the Winter 2010 Salary Survey.
Major Average Salary Offer
Petroleum Engineering $86,220
Chemical Engineering $65,142
Mining & Mineral Engineering (incl. geological) $64,552
Computer Science $61,205
Computer Engineering $60,879
Electrical/Electronics & Communications

y*a2010-03-17 07:03

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Your two reasons are correct, particularly the first. For example, stock
market will reflect the future outlook. $20s oil (which is about $1-$5
production cost per bbl) is pretty much gone. I would think the average
drilling/production cost in the US is in the range of $25-$30/bbl now. If
exploration/transportation/legislative lobbying included, it would be at
least $40-50/bbl. Beside that,
On the other hand, please think why say biologists and GIS analysts are
lower paid. PE is not an eas

【在 t****s 的大作中提到】

: 为什么学石油的毕业之后工资普遍比其它工科高？
: 我分析可能的原因是：
: 1. 石油行业景气
: 2. 石油工程的毕业生，供不应求，所以物以稀为贵
: 大家认为是什么原因？
: http://www.naceweb.org/Press/Releases/Early_Report_Shows_Lower_Average_Salary_for_College_Class_of_2010.aspx
: 10 top-paid bachelor’s degrees in the Winter 2010 Salary Survey.
: Major Average Salary Offer
: Petroleum Engineering $86,220
: Chemical Engineering $65,142

t*s2010-03-17 07:03

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谢谢你的指点。
请问一下，未来5-10年，油价跌的可能性有多大？
你那些每年毕业生数量的统计是从哪儿里得到的？能否给个链接？
未来石油工程专业会不会扩招？像中国高考扩招一样？
By the way，在美国从事石油领域的工作，每周要工作多少时间？要经常加班吗？
再次感谢。

petroleum
mature

【在 y*****a 的大作中提到】

: Your two reasons are correct, particularly the first. For example, stock
: market will reflect the future outlook. $20s oil (which is about $1-$5
: production cost per bbl) is pretty much gone. I would think the average
: drilling/production cost in the US is in the range of $25-$30/bbl now. If
: exploration/transportation/legislative lobbying included, it would be at
: least $40-50/bbl. Beside that,
: On the other hand, please think why say biologists and GIS analysts are
: lower paid. PE is not an eas

y*e2010-03-17 07:03

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你要是在国内中石油，中石化上过班就不会问这问题。
石油不管在中国还是美国都是国家和生活绝不可缺的，带有垄断性质的行业,叫做“工业的血液”。
你只需要考虑你是否能转到石油工程系。

y*a2010-03-17 07:03

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1. In my opinion, oil price will be 50-120 in recession and slow recovery,
150-200 when fully recovered and economical growth. The oil industry cannot
catch up with the consumption rate when economy is normal for at least 20
years.
2. graduate info, please check my another thread "recent update" something
like that. I have a link for the data.
3. Possible for PE to enroll more, but hard owing to the reasons I mentioned
in this thread, e.g., limitation on # of professors.
4. Most likely 40 hrs

【在 t****s 的大作中提到】

: 谢谢你的指点。
: 请问一下，未来5-10年，油价跌的可能性有多大？
: 你那些每年毕业生数量的统计是从哪儿里得到的？能否给个链接？
: 未来石油工程专业会不会扩招？像中国高考扩招一样？
: By the way，在美国从事石油领域的工作，每周要工作多少时间？要经常加班吗？
: 再次感谢。
:
: petroleum
: mature

t*s2010-03-17 07:03

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你指的是这个链接吗？
http://www.spe.org/spe-site/spe/spe/jpt/2009/07/6Comments.pdf
还有请问一下，在美国一般做什么工作的要去oilfield 工作？
是不是钻井去现场的几率大一些，而做油藏，采油或者EOR的去现场工作的几率小一些？
谢谢。

,
cannot
mentioned

【在 y*****a 的大作中提到】

: 1. In my opinion, oil price will be 50-120 in recession and slow recovery,
: 150-200 when fully recovered and economical growth. The oil industry cannot
: catch up with the consumption rate when economy is normal for at least 20
: years.
: 2. graduate info, please check my another thread "recent update" something
: like that. I have a link for the data.
: 3. Possible for PE to enroll more, but hard owing to the reasons I mentioned
: in this thread, e.g., limitation on # of professors.
: 4. Most likely 40 hrs

y*a2010-03-17 07:03

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1. no. This one:
http://www.spe.org/jpt/print/archives/2010/02/7GuestEditorial.pdf
2. Field engineer are quite often undergraduates.
3. MS or Ph.D graduate (in PE) most likely will be office work. May have
sparse field visits, e.g., collecting data point/making measurements.

些？

【在 t****s 的大作中提到】

: 你指的是这个链接吗？
: http://www.spe.org/spe-site/spe/spe/jpt/2009/07/6Comments.pdf
: 还有请问一下，在美国一般做什么工作的要去oilfield 工作？
: 是不是钻井去现场的几率大一些，而做油藏，采油或者EOR的去现场工作的几率小一些？
: 谢谢。
:
: ,
: cannot
: mentioned

t*s2010-03-17 07:03

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谢谢你对我的问题的详细回答。十分感谢!

【在 y*****a 的大作中提到】

: 1. no. This one:
: http://www.spe.org/jpt/print/archives/2010/02/7GuestEditorial.pdf
: 2. Field engineer are quite often undergraduates.
: 3. MS or Ph.D graduate (in PE) most likely will be office work. May have
: sparse field visits, e.g., collecting data point/making measurements.
:
: 些？

o*52010-03-17 07:03

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你提到的至少有3.6万 PE 在美国，这里的PE指的是石油工程师还是从事石油领域的人？
我看到美国劳工部的08年的统计说美国石油工程师才2万多一点。不知道这个网站是怎么统计的？
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos027.htm
In 2008, engineers held about 1.6 million jobs. Following is the
distribution of employment by engineering specialty:
Civil engineers 278,400
Mechanical engineers 238,700
Industrial engineers 214,800
Electrical engineers 157,800
Electronics engineers, except computer 143,700
Computer hardware engineers 74,700
Aerospace engineers 71,600
Environmental engineers 54,300
Chemica

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y*a2010-03-17 07:03

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1. From the most recent fact sheet of SPE. Right now more than 92k member (
23.5k student member).
http://www.spe.org/about/media/docs/10FactSheetA4_1.14.10.pdf
2. In downturn, development would be safer (but I would think it is a little
boring to myself). Production should be ok as well, followed by general
reservoir engineering. Drilling activity will be at low point, but drilling
engineers are rare and valuable and I am not sure the stability. EOR will
face great pressure (particularly fo

【在 o*********5 的大作中提到】

: 你提到的至少有3.6万 PE 在美国，这里的PE指的是石油工程师还是从事石油领域的人？
: 我看到美国劳工部的08年的统计说美国石油工程师才2万多一点。不知道这个网站是怎么统计的？
: http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos027.htm
: In 2008, engineers held about 1.6 million jobs. Following is the
: distribution of employment by engineering specialty:
: Civil engineers 278,400
: Mechanical engineers 238,700
: Industrial engineers 214,800
: Electrical engineers 157,800
: Electronics engineers, except computer 143,700

o*52010-03-17 07:03

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再次请教一下EOR 为什么算reservoir engineering？ EOR 大部分不是实验吗？特别是化学驱ASP等。我怎么感觉更像production啊？你能给解释一下吗？
如果EOR 算是reservoir engineering的话，那他们还有区别吗，在科研和就业方面？
还有development 具体是做技术还是做管理的？

(
little
drilling
will

【在 y*****a 的大作中提到】

: 1. From the most recent fact sheet of SPE. Right now more than 92k member (
: 23.5k student member).
: http://www.spe.org/about/media/docs/10FactSheetA4_1.14.10.pdf
: 2. In downturn, development would be safer (but I would think it is a little
: boring to myself). Production should be ok as well, followed by general
: reservoir engineering. Drilling activity will be at low point, but drilling
: engineers are rare and valuable and I am not sure the stability. EOR will
: face great pressure (particularly fo

y*a2010-03-17 07:03

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Drilling engineering concerns drilling/completing a well. What is the
drilling mud weight and mud chemistry, drilling trajectory, cementation etc.
Production engineering concerns what happens very close to the wellbore (e.g
., a few feet), for example, flow regime in tubing and casing, formation
damage, stimulating a well (acidizing or hydraulic fracturing), wellbore
stability and sand production control, well productivity, workovers.
Reservoir engineering concerns anywhere beyond wellbore, for

【在 o*********5 的大作中提到】

: 再次请教一下EOR 为什么算reservoir engineering？ EOR 大部分不是实验吗？特别是化学驱ASP等。我怎么感觉更像production啊？你能给解释一下吗？
: 如果EOR 算是reservoir engineering的话，那他们还有区别吗，在科研和就业方面？
: 还有development 具体是做技术还是做管理的？
:
: (
: little
: drilling
: will

C*C2010-03-17 07:03

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Looks like different companies have different definitions for EOR and IOR.
Or some company just includes IOR into EOR.
One version I knew refers water flood as IOR - seconary depletion, and then
gas injection etc. as EOR - tertiary depletion.
When people envy the current high salary package for PE's, please don't
forget the massive layoffs in 1990's when crude oil was below $20/bbl. And
PE's have very limited job opportunities outside energy industry. So it's
give-and-take situation.

t*s2010-03-17 07:03

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谢谢详细解答

etc.
.g

【在 y*****a 的大作中提到】

: Drilling engineering concerns drilling/completing a well. What is the
: drilling mud weight and mud chemistry, drilling trajectory, cementation etc.
: Production engineering concerns what happens very close to the wellbore (e.g
: ., a few feet), for example, flow regime in tubing and casing, formation
: damage, stimulating a well (acidizing or hydraulic fracturing), wellbore
: stability and sand production control, well productivity, workovers.
: Reservoir engineering concerns anywhere beyond wellbore, for

t*s2010-03-17 07:03

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massive layoffs in 1990's 在将来出现的几率有多大？

then

【在 C**C 的大作中提到】

: Looks like different companies have different definitions for EOR and IOR.
: Or some company just includes IOR into EOR.
: One version I knew refers water flood as IOR - seconary depletion, and then
: gas injection etc. as EOR - tertiary depletion.
: When people envy the current high salary package for PE's, please don't
: forget the massive layoffs in 1990's when crude oil was below $20/bbl. And
: PE's have very limited job opportunities outside energy industry. So it's
: give-and-take situation.

y*a2010-03-17 07:03

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This is a good question. We cannot make any accurate predictions. However,
we need to know what are different from now compared with 20 years ago. I
have already have my opinion on this question way back last year.
Still the energy industry is very vulnerable and highly relies on the
continued growth of the human being. The assumption may be flawed, for
example, 20 years down the road, we need 40% or more energy consumption.
African counties are not having that much of increase in the past

【在 t****s 的大作中提到】

: massive layoffs in 1990's 在将来出现的几率有多大？
:
: then

t*s2010-03-17 07:03

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十分感谢

However,
I
.
year

【在 y*****a 的大作中提到】

: This is a good question. We cannot make any accurate predictions. However,
: we need to know what are different from now compared with 20 years ago. I
: have already have my opinion on this question way back last year.
: Still the energy industry is very vulnerable and highly relies on the
: continued growth of the human being. The assumption may be flawed, for
: example, 20 years down the road, we need 40% or more energy consumption.
: African counties are not having that much of increase in the past