"it would of course help your case and your credibility and help us if you w ould tells us what your affiliation is,exactly who you are, what your intere st in this case is,what your affiliation is with the parties involved, etc.I t is very easy to make accusations of falsified data, it is not so easy to p rove or disprove such accusations." 说的很明白了, It is very easy to make accusations of falsified data, it is not so easy to prove or disprove such accusations。 要举事实, 要讲道理。 不要乱喊乱叫或者当祥林嫂, 否则只会被当作聒噪
【在 c******n 的大作中提到】 : "it would of course help your case and your credibility and help us if you w : ould tells us what your affiliation is,exactly who you are, what your intere : st in this case is,what your affiliation is with the parties involved, etc.I : t is very easy to make accusations of falsified data, it is not so easy to p : rove or disprove such accusations." : 说的很明白了, It is very easy to make accusations of falsified data, it is : not so easy to prove or disprove such accusations。 要举事实, 要讲道理。 : 不要乱喊乱叫或者当祥林嫂, 否则只会被当作聒噪
【在 d****2 的大作中提到】 : Thanks a lot! I believe that you are ethical chemist instead of nonsense. : http://www.mscience.org/bbs/showpost.aspx?id=61891 : Please advise anything wrong with my evidence. : : w : intere : .I : p : is
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Lee Re: Lu ja9037017 / further information needed / 25-Aug-2009 From: j**[email protected] Sent: Tue 8/25/09 10:46 PM To: peterhplee Cc: j**[email protected] 25-Aug-2009 RE: Journal of the American Chemical SocietyManuscript ID: ja-2009-037017.R1Manuscript Type: CommunicationManuscript Title: Hydrogen-Bonding Recognition-Induced Color Change of Gold Nanoparticles for Visual Detection of Melamine in Raw Milk and Infant Formula Author(s): Ai, Kelong; Liu, Yanlan; Lu, Lehui Dear Dr. Lee: We ar
【在 c******n 的大作中提到】 : "it would of course help your case and your credibility and help us if you w : ould tells us what your affiliation is,exactly who you are, what your intere : st in this case is,what your affiliation is with the parties involved, etc.I : t is very easy to make accusations of falsified data, it is not so easy to p : rove or disprove such accusations." : 说的很明白了, It is very easy to make accusations of falsified data, it is : not so easy to prove or disprove such accusations。 要举事实, 要讲道理。 : 不要乱喊乱叫或者当祥林嫂, 否则只会被当作聒噪
【在 d****2 的大作中提到】 : Lee Re: Lu ja9037017 / further information needed / 25-Aug-2009 : From: j**[email protected] : Sent: Tue 8/25/09 10:46 PM : To: peterhplee : Cc: j**[email protected] : 25-Aug-2009 : RE: Journal of the American Chemical SocietyManuscript : ID: ja-2009-037017.R1Manuscript : Type: CommunicationManuscript : Title: Hydrogen-Bonding Recognition-Induced Color Change of Gold
RE: Lee Re: Lu ja9037017 / further information needed / 25-Aug-2009 From: Peter Lee Sent: Wed 8/26/09 4:26 AM To: j**[email protected]; l*****[email protected]; l**[email protected]; h*****e[email protected] .cn; s******[email protected]; s****[email protected]; s******[email protected] 1 attachment 31235869.pdf (249.2 KB) Dear Editor Krane: Thanks for your message! I still insist in the claim on falsfied ja9037017 unless anyone can prove that the pH value of buffer solution will change upon addition of 1 ppm either acid
【在 d****2 的大作中提到】 : RE: Lee Re: Lu ja9037017 / further information needed / 25-Aug-2009 : From: Peter Lee : Sent: Wed 8/26/09 4:26 AM : To: j**[email protected]; l*****[email protected]; l**[email protected]; h*****[email protected] : .cn; s******[email protected]; s****[email protected]; s******[email protected] : 1 attachment : 31235869.pdf (249.2 KB) : Dear Editor Krane: : Thanks for your message! I still insist in the claim on falsfied ja9037017 : unless anyone can prove that the pH value of buffer solution will change
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3点 一点都不在理,我如果是stang,估计快疯了。。。 说人剽窃就要拿出证据,从哪里剽窃的,怎么剽窃,证据是什么。哪些是证据,哪些是你的个人猜测,这才是科学的态度。 “I deeply believe ”这种话就是废话,我还deeply believe你是作者的死对头,有意要搞臭作者呢。别整天臆想。没有证据就是Stang相信你说的,他也不敢随便撤paper 你真的想要搞掉这篇paper,你就必须: 1.拿出人家剽窃的证据,没有证据最多是有剽窃嫌疑,嫌疑永远是嫌疑,Stang 永远不会撤paper。 2. 针对文章的问题,你应该要求作者提供新的实验数据和解释。比如,为什么NMR跟文献不符,提供高分辨的ESI-MS,等等,而不是像你这么个说法: (2) The reported compound MTT was not fully characterized and the provided proton NMR is inconsistent with the literature (Ma, M. et al. J. Am. Chem. Soc. 2008, 130, 14456-1
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Any expert can give Mass Spectroscopy lesson here? "这个ESI-MS spectrum不清楚,你既不能断定是melamine,也不能断定不是。你怎么知 道ESI不是Melamine,这个是你的猜测,你又把你的猜测当成你的证据了,这个太可怕 ,你要是能猜对所有事情,可以不做试验直接在家写paper了。有些ESI没调好,分辨率 搞得差,导致broad peak 完全有可能的,你应该是要求提供high resolution 的ESI- MS spectrum, 然后再说这个是不是melamine" I am sure that the Chemistry Major undergraduate students will not write these sentences. The claims can be found in http://www.mscience.org/bbs/showpost.aspx?id=61891 (1) Using the solution stabilized with 1 micro M melamin
【在 b*******g 的大作中提到】 : 3点 一点都不在理,我如果是stang,估计快疯了。。。 : 说人剽窃就要拿出证据,从哪里剽窃的,怎么剽窃,证据是什么。哪些是证据,哪些是你的个人猜测,这才是科学的态度。 : “I deeply believe ”这种话就是废话,我还deeply believe你是作者的死对头,有意要搞臭作者呢。别整天臆想。没有证据就是Stang相信你说的,他也不敢随便撤paper : 你真的想要搞掉这篇paper,你就必须: : 1.拿出人家剽窃的证据,没有证据最多是有剽窃嫌疑,嫌疑永远是嫌疑,Stang 永远不会撤paper。 : 2. 针对文章的问题,你应该要求作者提供新的实验数据和解释。比如,为什么NMR跟文献不符,提供高分辨的ESI-MS,等等,而不是像你这么个说法: : (2) The reported compound MTT was not fully characterized and the provided proton NMR is inconsistent with the literature (Ma, M. et al. J. Am. Chem. Soc. 2008, 130, 14456-1
【在 d****2 的大作中提到】 : Any expert can give Mass Spectroscopy lesson here? : "这个ESI-MS spectrum不清楚,你既不能断定是melamine,也不能断定不是。你怎么知 : 道ESI不是Melamine,这个是你的猜测,你又把你的猜测当成你的证据了,这个太可怕 : ,你要是能猜对所有事情,可以不做试验直接在家写paper了。有些ESI没调好,分辨率 : 搞得差,导致broad peak 完全有可能的,你应该是要求提供high resolution 的ESI- : MS spectrum, 然后再说这个是不是melamine" I am sure that the Chemistry Major : undergraduate students will not write these sentences. : The claims can be found in : http://www.mscience.org/bbs/showpost.aspx?id=61891 : (1) Using the solution stabilized with 1 micro M melamin
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I wish that you were not the so-called MS expert who ran the ESI-MS. I can tell you that these are not real ESI-MS spectroscopic data but some graphs made-up by some one. In addition, I have solid evidences to prove that all data in ja9037017 were fictionalized. I will try all my ways to have the paper be withdrawn and to have these unethical authors be punished.