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n*r2006-05-23 07:05

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There is one issue in Foxtrot that I find so vexing that I am afraid that my
Foxtrot will take on a split personality and become schizophreniac. There
appear, at least to me, to be two kinds of counts in Foxtrot. One is the
classical version of QQS as in all the technique books, the other is SQQ which
I often see when I watch the competition videos. The first seems to be
favored by the British, the latter the Italians, and gaining increasing
popularity. I myself is partial to the Italian timing,

l*r2006-05-23 07:05

2 楼

I would say the count really depends on the steps. Can be QQS, SQQ, or QQQQ,
or SS.

m*r2006-05-23 07:05

3 楼

I don't know much about the slow foxtrot history. But it is said that an
earlier version of foxtrot was developed into a slow verion, the slow foxtrot,
and a fast version, the quickstep.
The following is Stephen Cullip's story about the history of the feather step.
It might have something to do with your question. Originally, the feather
step was danced using QQS timing starting with the left foot. It was evolved
into SQQ timing starting with right foot later on. But it is not natural to
start w

【在 n********r 的大作中提到】

: There is one issue in Foxtrot that I find so vexing that I am afraid that my
: Foxtrot will take on a split personality and become schizophreniac. There
: appear, at least to me, to be two kinds of counts in Foxtrot. One is the
: classical version of QQS as in all the technique books, the other is SQQ which
: I often see when I watch the competition videos. The first seems to be
: favored by the British, the latter the Italians, and gaining increasing
: popularity. I myself is partial to the Italian timing,

d*e2006-05-23 07:05

4 楼

i promise you i'll do it sometime this long weekend. i also have lots of
teaching video including theirs which i never watch /blush. i'll tell you next
week on what count they land each step of the feather.
now relax and have a great holiday weekend! this is not an engineering project
!!!!! like i said each beat of music can be further divided and the boundary
can become blurred. a variety of music interpretations also add to the
artistry of dancesport.

d*e2006-05-23 07:05

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what the 2nd version does is use a prep step on the first beat which cuts the
first step of a feather into Q. it still arrives on 2, but has become a Q. it
then takes the third step of a feather, the drifting step, as a S. is it wrong
, no. neither is wrong. each one has his preference. and let me warn you, each
judge has his preference too:p if you take first step of feather like that,
some judges are gonna say your prep is too late.

n*r2006-05-23 07:05

6 楼

Both dancedance and moonraker were saying that both SQQ and QQS versions are
legitimate, but you can't do it at the beginning, if I get the gist right.
This to me then makes for inconsistency in style. That just leaves the
possibility, as I had suggested in jest before, of sneakily openning the dance
with SQQ then switch to QQS right after if you feel like doing the Italian
QQS version.
What I see is when dancers are dancing to QQS timing, they invariably lands
left on count 1 at the very start.

【在 m*******r 的大作中提到】

: I don't know much about the slow foxtrot history. But it is said that an
: earlier version of foxtrot was developed into a slow verion, the slow foxtrot,
: and a fast version, the quickstep.
: The following is Stephen Cullip's story about the history of the feather step.
: It might have something to do with your question. Originally, the feather
: step was danced using QQS timing starting with the left foot. It was evolved
: into SQQ timing starting with right foot later on. But it is not natural to
: start w

d*e2006-05-23 07:05

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what the 2nd version does is use a prep step on the first beat which cuts the
first step of a feather into Q. it still arrives on 2, but has become a Q. it
then takes the third step of a feather, the drifting step, as a S. is it wrong
, no. neither is wrong. each one has his preference. and let me warn you, each
judge has his preference too:p if you take first step of feather like that,
some judges are gonna say your prep is too late.

o*n2006-05-23 07:05

8 楼

a simple question, how do you dance feather and three step?

which
more
instructors

【在 n********r 的大作中提到】

: There is one issue in Foxtrot that I find so vexing that I am afraid that my
: Foxtrot will take on a split personality and become schizophreniac. There
: appear, at least to me, to be two kinds of counts in Foxtrot. One is the
: classical version of QQS as in all the technique books, the other is SQQ which
: I often see when I watch the competition videos. The first seems to be
: favored by the British, the latter the Italians, and gaining increasing
: popularity. I myself is partial to the Italian timing,

n*r2006-05-23 07:05

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The diffference between SQQ and QQS versions are at their most apparent if you
steck the two versions in LR notation and the numeric counts on top of each
other. The R shifts between count 4 and 5, and symmetrically L between count 8
and 1. There is no additional step, as orion claims, if you count only the
periodic 8 beats. The difference is, just as dancedance and FrenchKiss have
pointed out, when you land the third step (right in feather finish and left in
three step).
Do we now have a consen

n*r2006-05-23 07:05

10 楼

We agree there is no prep step in what follows, we write out the explicit beat
number, and denote which foot is landing at which beat by l(left) or r(right)
feather step three step:
SQQ version: 12r3l4r56l7r8l (starting with right foot)
QQS version: 1l2r34r5l6r78l (starting with left foot)
Have you watched the video clip?

the
steps

【在 o***n 的大作中提到】

: a simple question, how do you dance feather and three step?
:
: which
: more
: instructors

o*n2006-05-23 07:05

11 楼

it's hard to put Champion's dance into the textbook frame, this is exactly the
opposite situation that dancedance mentioned about syllabus competition.
so, just tell me how you would dance feather and three step.
for me, it will be, S(starting with the right foot, no prep or prep prep steps
here)QQ SQQ. how would you do it?

just
QQS
by

【在 n********r 的大作中提到】

: We agree there is no prep step in what follows, we write out the explicit beat
: number, and denote which foot is landing at which beat by l(left) or r(right)
: feather step three step:
: SQQ version: 12r3l4r56l7r8l (starting with right foot)
: QQS version: 1l2r34r5l6r78l (starting with left foot)
: Have you watched the video clip?
:
: the
: steps

d*e2006-05-23 07:05

12 楼

i'm with orion. when it's a slow, which has two beats, you move on 1 and
arrive on 2. you don't pause.
ok, that's more technicial discussion that i've participated in the last 4
years combined. you can check history to verify:) enough to make my heads spin
. i'm quitting. you guys have fun with the topic.

o*n2006-05-23 07:05

13 楼

it's hard to put Champion's dance into the textbook frame, this is exactly the
opposite situation that dancedance mentioned about syllabus competition.
so, just tell me how you would dance feather and three step.
for me, it will be, S(starting with the right foot, no prep or prep prep steps
here)QQ SQQ. how would you do it?

just
QQS
by

【在 n********r 的大作中提到】

: We agree there is no prep step in what follows, we write out the explicit beat
: number, and denote which foot is landing at which beat by l(left) or r(right)
: feather step three step:
: SQQ version: 12r3l4r56l7r8l (starting with right foot)
: QQS version: 1l2r34r5l6r78l (starting with left foot)
: Have you watched the video clip?
:
: the
: steps

d*e2006-05-23 07:05

14 楼

i promise you i'll do it sometime this long weekend. i also have lots of
teaching video including theirs which i never watch /blush. i'll tell you next
week on what count they land each step of the feather.
now relax and have a great holiday weekend! this is not an engineering project
!!!!! like i said each beat of music can be further divided and the boundary
can become blurred. a variety of music interpretations also add to the
artistry of dancesport.

n*r2006-05-23 07:05

15 楼

Both dancedance and moonraker were saying that both SQQ and QQS versions are
legitimate, but you can't do it at the beginning, if I get the gist right.
This to me then makes for inconsistency in style. That just leaves the
possibility, as I had suggested in jest before, of sneakily openning the dance
with SQQ then switch to QQS right after if you feel like doing the Italian
QQS version.
What I see is when dancers are dancing to QQS timing, they invariably lands
left on count 1 at the very start.

【在 m*******r 的大作中提到】

: I don't know much about the slow foxtrot history. But it is said that an
: earlier version of foxtrot was developed into a slow verion, the slow foxtrot,
: and a fast version, the quickstep.
: The following is Stephen Cullip's story about the history of the feather step.
: It might have something to do with your question. Originally, the feather
: step was danced using QQS timing starting with the left foot. It was evolved
: into SQQ timing starting with right foot later on. But it is not natural to
: start w

m*r2006-05-23 07:05

16 楼

I don't know much about the slow foxtrot history. But it is said that an
earlier version of foxtrot was developed into a slow verion, the slow foxtrot,
and a fast version, the quickstep.
The following is Stephen Cullip's story about the history of the feather step.
It might have something to do with your question. Originally, the feather
step was danced using QQS timing starting with the left foot. It was evolved
into SQQ timing starting with right foot later on. But it is not natural to
start w

【在 n********r 的大作中提到】

: There is one issue in Foxtrot that I find so vexing that I am afraid that my
: Foxtrot will take on a split personality and become schizophreniac. There
: appear, at least to me, to be two kinds of counts in Foxtrot. One is the
: classical version of QQS as in all the technique books, the other is SQQ which
: I often see when I watch the competition videos. The first seems to be
: favored by the British, the latter the Italians, and gaining increasing
: popularity. I myself is partial to the Italian timing,

n*r2006-05-23 07:05

17 楼

We agree there is no prep step in what follows, we write out the explicit beat
number, and denote which foot is landing at which beat by l(left) or r(right)
feather step three step:
SQQ version: 12r3l4r56l7r8l (starting with right foot)
QQS version: 1l2r34r5l6r78l (starting with left foot)
Have you watched the video clip?

the
steps

【在 o***n 的大作中提到】

: it's hard to put Champion's dance into the textbook frame, this is exactly the
: opposite situation that dancedance mentioned about syllabus competition.
: so, just tell me how you would dance feather and three step.
: for me, it will be, S(starting with the right foot, no prep or prep prep steps
: here)QQ SQQ. how would you do it?
:
: just
: QQS
: by

d*e2006-05-23 07:05

18 楼

i know this sounds very cheap, but do what your primary coach teach you to do,
if you trust him/her to be a good teacher. (if not, change your coach:)
because if you don't, you're gonna be yelled at every time for doing it wrong.
in the end, dancing is an art, not a science. some people count in Q and S,
some people count in 1234, yet some count in &1&2 etc. the ambiguity provides
artists like luca and massimo with room for their artistic expression. we have
to learn to be comfortable with the a

【在 o***n 的大作中提到】

: it's hard to put Champion's dance into the textbook frame, this is exactly the
: opposite situation that dancedance mentioned about syllabus competition.
: so, just tell me how you would dance feather and three step.
: for me, it will be, S(starting with the right foot, no prep or prep prep steps
: here)QQ SQQ. how would you do it?
:
: just
: QQS
: by

n*r2006-05-23 07:05

19 楼

The diffference between SQQ and QQS versions are at their most apparent if you
steck the two versions in LR notation and the numeric counts on top of each
other. The R shifts between count 4 and 5, and symmetrically L between count 8
and 1. There is no additional step, as orion claims, if you count only the
periodic 8 beats. The difference is, just as dancedance and FrenchKiss have
pointed out, when you land the third step (right in feather finish and left in
three step).
Do we now have a consen