.net前途如何？# DotNet - 窗口里的风景
d*e
1 楼
windows三天两头出个病毒安全漏洞什么的，对潜在用户的心理打击还是有一点巴
.NET好像还是瞄准small
business，不知道象银行医院什么的有没有用的。好像citibank曾经宣布和MS合作搞了。
难怪citi的网站老似出问题。
.NET好像还是瞄准small
business，不知道象银行医院什么的有没有用的。好像citibank曾经宣布和MS合作搞了。
难怪citi的网站老似出问题。
st
2 楼
ebay works with IBM java, still having problems all the time.
as long as M$ lives and supports .net, it should have many people using it.
【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: windows三天两头出个病毒安全漏洞什么的，对潜在用户的心理打击还是有一点巴
: .NET好像还是瞄准small
: business，不知道象银行医院什么的有没有用的。好像citibank曾经宣布和MS合作搞了。
: 难怪citi的网站老似出问题。
as long as M$ lives and supports .net, it should have many people using it.
【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: windows三天两头出个病毒安全漏洞什么的，对潜在用户的心理打击还是有一点巴
: .NET好像还是瞄准small
: business，不知道象银行医院什么的有没有用的。好像citibank曾经宣布和MS合作搞了。
: 难怪citi的网站老似出问题。
l*r
3 楼
昨天上可将J2EE, EJB, 老师提了一下.net,
并企图攻击microsoft，结果没想到大家对.net兴趣浓厚，追着老师问，呵呵。
了。
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: ebay works with IBM java, still having problems all the time.
: as long as M$ lives and supports .net, it should have many people using it.
并企图攻击microsoft，结果没想到大家对.net兴趣浓厚，追着老师问，呵呵。
了。
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: ebay works with IBM java, still having problems all the time.
: as long as M$ lives and supports .net, it should have many people using it.
st
4 楼
speed, IDE are the advantages of .net
【在 l*********r 的大作中提到】
: 昨天上可将J2EE, EJB, 老师提了一下.net,
: 并企图攻击microsoft，结果没想到大家对.net兴趣浓厚，追着老师问，呵呵。
:
: 了。
【在 l*********r 的大作中提到】
: 昨天上可将J2EE, EJB, 老师提了一下.net,
: 并企图攻击microsoft，结果没想到大家对.net兴趣浓厚，追着老师问，呵呵。
:
: 了。
g*g
5 楼
No, marketing. M$ is best in marketing.
Whether .net is faster remains a mystery.
.Net should succeed in small to medium scale projects,
but if reliable and security is important, people tend
to stay away from it.
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: speed, IDE are the advantages of .net
Whether .net is faster remains a mystery.
.Net should succeed in small to medium scale projects,
but if reliable and security is important, people tend
to stay away from it.
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: speed, IDE are the advantages of .net
st
6 楼
~~~no mystery, IMHO.
wrong, it can fulfill large scale project, just sentimental decisions
hinder that.
well, well, well, that depends on who you talk to.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: No, marketing. M$ is best in marketing.
: Whether .net is faster remains a mystery.
: .Net should succeed in small to medium scale projects,
: but if reliable and security is important, people tend
: to stay away from it.
g*g
7 楼
I am still awaiting a truly large scale .net project,
It may not be the .net itself, it's windows that sucks.
【在 st 的大作中提到】
:
: ~~~no mystery, IMHO.
: wrong, it can fulfill large scale project, just sentimental decisions
: hinder that.
: well, well, well, that depends on who you talk to.
f*r
8 楼
no really large scale project yet,
.net needs to prove itself
【在 st 的大作中提到】
:
: ~~~no mystery, IMHO.
: wrong, it can fulfill large scale project, just sentimental decisions
: hinder that.
: well, well, well, that depends on who you talk to.
.net needs to prove itself
【在 st 的大作中提到】
:
: ~~~no mystery, IMHO.
: wrong, it can fulfill large scale project, just sentimental decisions
: hinder that.
: well, well, well, that depends on who you talk to.
st
9 楼
how large is large?
hmm.... let's say, if cbsmarketwatch.com website uses .net in near future,
is that considered large enough?
【在 f*r 的大作中提到】
: no really large scale project yet,
: .net needs to prove itself
hmm.... let's say, if cbsmarketwatch.com website uses .net in near future,
is that considered large enough?
【在 f*r 的大作中提到】
: no really large scale project yet,
: .net needs to prove itself
g*g
10 楼
ebay is large, google is large, amazon is large.
I also consider all banking systems large.
Don't know much about CBS MarketWatch, but we
all know it's about how many concurrent online
users in peak hour and how critical is the security
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: how large is large?
: hmm.... let's say, if cbsmarketwatch.com website uses .net in near future,
: is that considered large enough?
I also consider all banking systems large.
Don't know much about CBS MarketWatch, but we
all know it's about how many concurrent online
users in peak hour and how critical is the security
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: how large is large?
: hmm.... let's say, if cbsmarketwatch.com website uses .net in near future,
: is that considered large enough?
p*n
11 楼
JCache 出来以后J2EE的整体速度不知会不会强一些.
J2EE阵营里的BEA现在出的WORKSHOP也挺不错的.
听说当时VS.NET有好一堆投奔BEA,整出来这么个
玩艺儿.
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: speed, IDE are the advantages of .net
J2EE阵营里的BEA现在出的WORKSHOP也挺不错的.
听说当时VS.NET有好一堆投奔BEA,整出来这么个
玩艺儿.
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: speed, IDE are the advantages of .net
p*n
12 楼
how about a telecom company portal like Verizon or Bellsouth?
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: ebay is large, google is large, amazon is large.
: I also consider all banking systems large.
: Don't know much about CBS MarketWatch, but we
: all know it's about how many concurrent online
: users in peak hour and how critical is the security
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: ebay is large, google is large, amazon is large.
: I also consider all banking systems large.
: Don't know much about CBS MarketWatch, but we
: all know it's about how many concurrent online
: users in peak hour and how critical is the security
j*g
13 楼
london stock exchange
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: ebay is large, google is large, amazon is large.
: I also consider all banking systems large.
: Don't know much about CBS MarketWatch, but we
: all know it's about how many concurrent online
: users in peak hour and how critical is the security
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: ebay is large, google is large, amazon is large.
: I also consider all banking systems large.
: Don't know much about CBS MarketWatch, but we
: all know it's about how many concurrent online
: users in peak hour and how critical is the security
m*d
14 楼
We cannot deny that the most successful language that we have seen in the
commercial software industry is the Java language and JVM. But MS is
positioning .NET as the next big thing.
Talking about reliability, .NET also requires type safety, error-handling
mechanism, garbage collection, etc. in the CLR. .NET also provides a number of
security features. For example, unlike traditional security support in which
only access to the executable is protected, .NET goes further to protect
access to spec
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: No, marketing. M$ is best in marketing.
: Whether .net is faster remains a mystery.
: .Net should succeed in small to medium scale projects,
: but if reliable and security is important, people tend
: to stay away from it.
commercial software industry is the Java language and JVM. But MS is
positioning .NET as the next big thing.
Talking about reliability, .NET also requires type safety, error-handling
mechanism, garbage collection, etc. in the CLR. .NET also provides a number of
security features. For example, unlike traditional security support in which
only access to the executable is protected, .NET goes further to protect
access to spec
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: No, marketing. M$ is best in marketing.
: Whether .net is faster remains a mystery.
: .Net should succeed in small to medium scale projects,
: but if reliable and security is important, people tend
: to stay away from it.
st
15 楼
how about HSBC, deutch(?) bank etc?
their portal and some other stuff is supported by pcor's pc cluster.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: ebay is large, google is large, amazon is large.
: I also consider all banking systems large.
: Don't know much about CBS MarketWatch, but we
: all know it's about how many concurrent online
: users in peak hour and how critical is the security
their portal and some other stuff is supported by pcor's pc cluster.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: ebay is large, google is large, amazon is large.
: I also consider all banking systems large.
: Don't know much about CBS MarketWatch, but we
: all know it's about how many concurrent online
: users in peak hour and how critical is the security
h*d
16 楼
Java has some pretty cool IDEs, like Intellij...
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: speed, IDE are the advantages of .net
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: speed, IDE are the advantages of .net
st
17 楼
not really that nice, IMHO, well, it's getting close though.
【在 h**d 的大作中提到】
: Java has some pretty cool IDEs, like Intellij...
【在 h**d 的大作中提到】
: Java has some pretty cool IDEs, like Intellij...
h*d
18 楼
Most of the companies are trying to use both now...
Because .NET is from MS, MS is too strong
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: ebay is large, google is large, amazon is large.
: I also consider all banking systems large.
: Don't know much about CBS MarketWatch, but we
: all know it's about how many concurrent online
: users in peak hour and how critical is the security
Because .NET is from MS, MS is too strong
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: ebay is large, google is large, amazon is large.
: I also consider all banking systems large.
: Don't know much about CBS MarketWatch, but we
: all know it's about how many concurrent online
: users in peak hour and how critical is the security
h*d
19 楼
I have used Intellij for about 3 years.
有了ant和intellij,横扫j2ee,hehe
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: not really that nice, IMHO, well, it's getting close though.
有了ant和intellij,横扫j2ee,hehe
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: not really that nice, IMHO, well, it's getting close though.
st
20 楼
//sigh, ant script is quite messy, if you compare that to .net
debugging, you would see .net has the IDE advantage... hehe.
【在 h**d 的大作中提到】
: I have used Intellij for about 3 years.
: 有了ant和intellij,横扫j2ee,hehe
debugging, you would see .net has the IDE advantage... hehe.
【在 h**d 的大作中提到】
: I have used Intellij for about 3 years.
: 有了ant和intellij,横扫j2ee,hehe
h*d
21 楼
Maybe I'm too used to Intellij leh...the debug tool is quite good...
the remote debug tool is cool also...the only problem is intellij uses
a lot of memory...sometimes it's slow
曾经考虑过如果换公司还接着玩java,自己买个intellij license:)
只是简单参加过.net training,不是很熟，也许用一段时间会改变看法:)
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: //sigh, ant script is quite messy, if you compare that to .net
: debugging, you would see .net has the IDE advantage... hehe.
the remote debug tool is cool also...the only problem is intellij uses
a lot of memory...sometimes it's slow
曾经考虑过如果换公司还接着玩java,自己买个intellij license:)
只是简单参加过.net training,不是很熟，也许用一段时间会改变看法:)
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: //sigh, ant script is quite messy, if you compare that to .net
: debugging, you would see .net has the IDE advantage... hehe.
m*d
22 楼
I used Borland JBuilder a year and half ago. Is that popular right now?
【在 h**d 的大作中提到】
: Java has some pretty cool IDEs, like Intellij...
【在 h**d 的大作中提到】
: Java has some pretty cool IDEs, like Intellij...
S*g
23 楼
I like eclipse.
But, M$ Visual Studio is a much stronger IDE.
【在 h**d 的大作中提到】
: Maybe I'm too used to Intellij leh...the debug tool is quite good...
: the remote debug tool is cool also...the only problem is intellij uses
: a lot of memory...sometimes it's slow
: 曾经考虑过如果换公司还接着玩java,自己买个intellij license:)
: 只是简单参加过.net training,不是很熟，也许用一段时间会改变看法:)
But, M$ Visual Studio is a much stronger IDE.
【在 h**d 的大作中提到】
: Maybe I'm too used to Intellij leh...the debug tool is quite good...
: the remote debug tool is cool also...the only problem is intellij uses
: a lot of memory...sometimes it's slow
: 曾经考虑过如果换公司还接着玩java,自己买个intellij license:)
: 只是简单参加过.net training,不是很熟，也许用一段时间会改变看法:)
w*n
24 楼
.Net design model looks a little bit different. I am trying to be
familiar with that.
【在 h**d 的大作中提到】
: Maybe I'm too used to Intellij leh...the debug tool is quite good...
: the remote debug tool is cool also...the only problem is intellij uses
: a lot of memory...sometimes it's slow
: 曾经考虑过如果换公司还接着玩java,自己买个intellij license:)
: 只是简单参加过.net training,不是很熟，也许用一段时间会改变看法:)
familiar with that.
【在 h**d 的大作中提到】
: Maybe I'm too used to Intellij leh...the debug tool is quite good...
: the remote debug tool is cool also...the only problem is intellij uses
: a lot of memory...sometimes it's slow
: 曾经考虑过如果换公司还接着玩java,自己买个intellij license:)
: 只是简单参加过.net training,不是很熟，也许用一段时间会改变看法:)
st
25 楼
~~~~~~~~~~that's important ah, those java IDE
are usually slow... hehe.. some time I just lose patience... xixi.
【在 h**d 的大作中提到】
: Maybe I'm too used to Intellij leh...the debug tool is quite good...
: the remote debug tool is cool also...the only problem is intellij uses
: a lot of memory...sometimes it's slow
: 曾经考虑过如果换公司还接着玩java,自己买个intellij license:)
: 只是简单参加过.net training,不是很熟，也许用一段时间会改变看法:)
e*g
26 楼
for scheduling .net is not No.1 priority of MS now.
the .net hype has been there for 2 years, and nothing yet.
give it at least another 4 years before it indeed becomes
a significant rival. meanwhile good luck for find a .net job.
【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: windows三天两头出个病毒安全漏洞什么的，对潜在用户的心理打击还是有一点巴
: .NET好像还是瞄准small
: business，不知道象银行医院什么的有没有用的。好像citibank曾经宣布和MS合作搞了。
: 难怪citi的网站老似出问题。
the .net hype has been there for 2 years, and nothing yet.
give it at least another 4 years before it indeed becomes
a significant rival. meanwhile good luck for find a .net job.
【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: windows三天两头出个病毒安全漏洞什么的，对潜在用户的心理打击还是有一点巴
: .NET好像还是瞄准small
: business，不知道象银行医院什么的有没有用的。好像citibank曾经宣布和MS合作搞了。
: 难怪citi的网站老似出问题。
L*r
27 楼
well. Slow is ok. The differnece is "acceptable slow" or "unacceptable slow".
I think JBuilder and Eclipse are ok.
But Netbeans is too bad.
【在 st 的大作中提到】
:
: ~~~~~~~~~~that's important ah, those java IDE
: are usually slow... hehe.. some time I just lose patience... xixi.
I think JBuilder and Eclipse are ok.
But Netbeans is too bad.
【在 st 的大作中提到】
:
: ~~~~~~~~~~that's important ah, those java IDE
: are usually slow... hehe.. some time I just lose patience... xixi.
st
28 楼
jbuilder has improved a lot, it's pretty nice now.
【在 L*******r 的大作中提到】
: well. Slow is ok. The differnece is "acceptable slow" or "unacceptable slow".
: I think JBuilder and Eclipse are ok.
: But Netbeans is too bad.
【在 L*******r 的大作中提到】
: well. Slow is ok. The differnece is "acceptable slow" or "unacceptable slow".
: I think JBuilder and Eclipse are ok.
: But Netbeans is too bad.
L*r
29 楼
I just heard that C# is used to write next version windows. (Although I think
the core of the OS is still written by C/C++. I don't think C# could write
kernel.)
了。
【在 e***g 的大作中提到】
: for scheduling .net is not No.1 priority of MS now.
: the .net hype has been there for 2 years, and nothing yet.
: give it at least another 4 years before it indeed becomes
: a significant rival. meanwhile good luck for find a .net job.
the core of the OS is still written by C/C++. I don't think C# could write
kernel.)
了。
【在 e***g 的大作中提到】
: for scheduling .net is not No.1 priority of MS now.
: the .net hype has been there for 2 years, and nothing yet.
: give it at least another 4 years before it indeed becomes
: a significant rival. meanwhile good luck for find a .net job.
L*r
30 楼
//hand 师兄
slow".
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: jbuilder has improved a lot, it's pretty nice now.
slow".
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: jbuilder has improved a lot, it's pretty nice now.
st
31 楼
hoho, which year ah? where r u now? :D
【在 L*******r 的大作中提到】
: //hand 师兄
:
: slow".
【在 L*******r 的大作中提到】
: //hand 师兄
:
: slow".
L*r
32 楼
Visual Studio .Net 2003 is good. But I am not getting used to its modeling
intergration. code generation and its reverse side work not very well.
JBuilder enterprise works better.
Borland C# enterprise architect may be a good choice. But I haven't tried yet.
intergration. code generation and its reverse side work not very well.
JBuilder enterprise works better.
Borland C# enterprise architect may be a good choice. But I haven't tried yet.
L*r
33 楼
not very young le. 94
Pittsburgh.
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: hoho, which year ah? where r u now? :D
Pittsburgh.
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: hoho, which year ah? where r u now? :D
st
34 楼
nice place. :D about to finish your PhD soon le bah.
【在 L*******r 的大作中提到】
: not very young le. 94
: Pittsburgh.
【在 L*******r 的大作中提到】
: not very young le. 94
: Pittsburgh.
L*r
35 楼
Is it better than Eclipse?
L*r
36 楼
hehe, C#'s property is handy. especially for IDE.
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: //sigh, ant script is quite messy, if you compare that to .net
: debugging, you would see .net has the IDE advantage... hehe.
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: //sigh, ant script is quite messy, if you compare that to .net
: debugging, you would see .net has the IDE advantage... hehe.
L*r
37 楼
no la. just finish master and doing job hunting now.
worked two years in China.
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: nice place. :D about to finish your PhD soon le bah.
worked two years in China.
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: nice place. :D about to finish your PhD soon le bah.
st
38 楼
ic. good luck, job market has improved a little this year.
【在 L*******r 的大作中提到】
: no la. just finish master and doing job hunting now.
: worked two years in China.
【在 L*******r 的大作中提到】
: no la. just finish master and doing job hunting now.
: worked two years in China.
c*t
39 楼
I LOVE IntelliJ IDEA. Unmatched refactoring tools (that's all
I wanted) and very good integration with Ant. Outstanding CVS
support. Although I wish it could have the ability to add
variables/functions in the structure view like in VS.NET, but
I guess that it is good enough.
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: not really that nice, IMHO, well, it's getting close though.
I wanted) and very good integration with Ant. Outstanding CVS
support. Although I wish it could have the ability to add
variables/functions in the structure view like in VS.NET, but
I guess that it is good enough.
【在 st 的大作中提到】
: not really that nice, IMHO, well, it's getting close though.
c*t
40 楼
Way better.
1. Eclipse support for ant is not that good. You also need to separately
find an Ant plugin (though it is going to be included).
2. Eclipse refactoring facilities are not as complete as IntelliJ IDEA,
which also tightly couples with CVS.
3. IntelliJ has better window arrangements and auto close features that
don't take too much space.
4. It tracks everything, such as imports (so you know which are used and
which are not necessary), variables (class, instances, local). H
【在 L*******r 的大作中提到】
: Is it better than Eclipse?
1. Eclipse support for ant is not that good. You also need to separately
find an Ant plugin (though it is going to be included).
2. Eclipse refactoring facilities are not as complete as IntelliJ IDEA,
which also tightly couples with CVS.
3. IntelliJ has better window arrangements and auto close features that
don't take too much space.
4. It tracks everything, such as imports (so you know which are used and
which are not necessary), variables (class, instances, local). H
【在 L*******r 的大作中提到】
: Is it better than Eclipse?
L*r
41 楼
refactoring tools, integration with Ant, Outstanding CVS support.
You can use third-party addin to have all these functionalities in JBuilder.
free. And all these funcitonalities are in Eclipse.
Anything special in IntelliJ?
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: I LOVE IntelliJ IDEA. Unmatched refactoring tools (that's all
: I wanted) and very good integration with Ant. Outstanding CVS
: support. Although I wish it could have the ability to add
: variables/functions in the structure view like in VS.NET, but
: I guess that it is good enough.
You can use third-party addin to have all these functionalities in JBuilder.
free. And all these funcitonalities are in Eclipse.
Anything special in IntelliJ?
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: I LOVE IntelliJ IDEA. Unmatched refactoring tools (that's all
: I wanted) and very good integration with Ant. Outstanding CVS
: support. Although I wish it could have the ability to add
: variables/functions in the structure view like in VS.NET, but
: I guess that it is good enough.
p*n
42 楼
the only thing i saw in IntelliJ is that is runs a little
faster than JB or Eclipse. functionality wise, i didn't
see much difference.
【在 L*******r 的大作中提到】
: refactoring tools, integration with Ant, Outstanding CVS support.
: You can use third-party addin to have all these functionalities in JBuilder.
: free. And all these funcitonalities are in Eclipse.
: Anything special in IntelliJ?
faster than JB or Eclipse. functionality wise, i didn't
see much difference.
【在 L*******r 的大作中提到】
: refactoring tools, integration with Ant, Outstanding CVS support.
: You can use third-party addin to have all these functionalities in JBuilder.
: free. And all these funcitonalities are in Eclipse.
: Anything special in IntelliJ?
L*r
43 楼
Hehe, downloading plugins is fine for me.
The most important part of Eclipse is it's just a framework. You have source
and the whole framework is configurable. You have source of framework, too.
I may agree 3, 4. But not 1, 2 and 5. :) Eclipse is more open and you can do
anything you want.
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Way better.
: 1. Eclipse support for ant is not that good. You also need to separately
: find an Ant plugin (though it is going to be included).
: 2. Eclipse refactoring facilities are not as complete as IntelliJ IDEA,
: which also tightly couples with CVS.
: 3. IntelliJ has better window arrangements and auto close features that
: don't take too much space.
: 4. It tracks everything, such as imports (so you know which are used and
: which are not necessary), variables (class, instances, local). H
The most important part of Eclipse is it's just a framework. You have source
and the whole framework is configurable. You have source of framework, too.
I may agree 3, 4. But not 1, 2 and 5. :) Eclipse is more open and you can do
anything you want.
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Way better.
: 1. Eclipse support for ant is not that good. You also need to separately
: find an Ant plugin (though it is going to be included).
: 2. Eclipse refactoring facilities are not as complete as IntelliJ IDEA,
: which also tightly couples with CVS.
: 3. IntelliJ has better window arrangements and auto close features that
: don't take too much space.
: 4. It tracks everything, such as imports (so you know which are used and
: which are not necessary), variables (class, instances, local). H
L*r
44 楼
I C. Thanks.
I can't make JBuilder faster. But I can make Eclipse faster.
You can delete all the packages you don't want to make it faster. And you can
configure the starting packages. I made an small IDE for our research using
Eclipse.
Eclipse is really a great project.
JBuilder.
【在 p***n 的大作中提到】
: the only thing i saw in IntelliJ is that is runs a little
: faster than JB or Eclipse. functionality wise, i didn't
: see much difference.
I can't make JBuilder faster. But I can make Eclipse faster.
You can delete all the packages you don't want to make it faster. And you can
configure the starting packages. I made an small IDE for our research using
Eclipse.
Eclipse is really a great project.
JBuilder.
【在 p***n 的大作中提到】
: the only thing i saw in IntelliJ is that is runs a little
: faster than JB or Eclipse. functionality wise, i didn't
: see much difference.
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