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Phone conversation with O# EB23 - 劳工卡
x*u
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I called O this morning asking him to clarify a couple of things.
Downgraded EB2 cases were indeed being counted towards EB3 so no worries
there. He said the Chinese bloggers were clueless about what they were
talking about and they were raising expectations and making false
speculations because they don't have the data he has to make a legit
argument.
I said as a government agency these data should be made available to the
public so others can look at it themselves. Then he said the agency didn't
have the time to do so because they devote their resources and time to
calculate the data and publish the visa bulletins. He said there were many
variables that should be taken into consideration when projecting the
movement. And he is the only one who has all the information about these
variables.
It doesn't sound like he would continue to move EB3 drastically. And he said
he had already been very generous to China EB2. He said the best way to
predict the movement is to look at the "visa availabilities in the coming
months" section in the Visa Bulletin.
I was being very polite to him the entire time. He is a bit rude and
condescending. He asked me to stop talking several times and hung up on me
once. I called back and talked to him for about 20-30 minutes in total.
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f*r
2
问候奥本全家,感谢热心的楼主。
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s*3
3
Good job. You should ask him to FXXX himself in the ending of the talk.
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m*r
4
大家都可以去打电话吗?
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l*n
5
打电话去骂他吗?这样visa bulletin就会前进了吗?

【在 m*******r 的大作中提到】
: 大家都可以去打电话吗?
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s*g
6
eb3也不会再大踏步前进了么?
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t*n
7
不骂就前进了么?把他激怒可能还有机会,要少了名额,就可以sue他了,现在就是让
他打完左脸再把右脸升过去

【在 l*******n 的大作中提到】
: 打电话去骂他吗?这样visa bulletin就会前进了吗?
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N*7
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Thank you for the effort.
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a*0
9
chinese blogger is clueless是啥意思?

【在 l*******n 的大作中提到】
: 打电话去骂他吗?这样visa bulletin就会前进了吗?
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m*8
10
感谢你的努力!

【在 x*****u 的大作中提到】
: I called O this morning asking him to clarify a couple of things.
: Downgraded EB2 cases were indeed being counted towards EB3 so no worries
: there. He said the Chinese bloggers were clueless about what they were
: talking about and they were raising expectations and making false
: speculations because they don't have the data he has to make a legit
: argument.
: I said as a government agency these data should be made available to the
: public so others can look at it themselves. Then he said the agency didn't
: have the time to do so because they devote their resources and time to
: calculate the data and publish the visa bulletins. He said there were many

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f*r
11
说的是老赫?

【在 a*0 的大作中提到】
: chinese blogger is clueless是啥意思?
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z*y
12
意思就是这版上面的我们没数据瞎TM的猜个鸟。
我们被鄙视了。

【在 a*0 的大作中提到】
: chinese blogger is clueless是啥意思?
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o*4
13
是怕公布了数据他的job security就完蛋了吗……
也是,data一公布他这个工作自动化被一个程序取代掉也就是分分钟的事
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F*3
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谢谢ximigou!
恭喜你被O骂和被hung up,you are starting to asking the right questions that
hurt!

He said there were many
variables that should be taken into consideration when projecting the
movement.

We want to know the list of variables available to him every month through
FOIA. And then we FOIA request those variable each month. No excuse and no
exemption!
I don't know why he doesn't want to share information with us.
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b*h
15
lol 老赫被点名批评了

【在 a*0 的大作中提到】
: chinese blogger is clueless是啥意思?
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l*p
16
It doesn't sound like he would continue to move EB3 drastically. And he said
he had already been very generous to China EB2.
看来放水就别指望了

【在 x*****u 的大作中提到】
: I called O this morning asking him to clarify a couple of things.
: Downgraded EB2 cases were indeed being counted towards EB3 so no worries
: there. He said the Chinese bloggers were clueless about what they were
: talking about and they were raising expectations and making false
: speculations because they don't have the data he has to make a legit
: argument.
: I said as a government agency these data should be made available to the
: public so others can look at it themselves. Then he said the agency didn't
: have the time to do so because they devote their resources and time to
: calculate the data and publish the visa bulletins. He said there were many

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l*p
17
拍脑袋就像出来的事情被他说的这么复杂

that

【在 F****3 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢ximigou!
: 恭喜你被O骂和被hung up,you are starting to asking the right questions that
: hurt!
: “
: He said there were many
: variables that should be taken into consideration when projecting the
: movement.
: ”
: We want to know the list of variables available to him every month through
: FOIA. And then we FOIA request those variable each month. No excuse and no

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a*g
18
可EB2的排期眼看就要到2010年5月了,过了这个时间点他怎么办?继续4-6
周的爬行?从最近报绿的来看集中在2010-2011这一块,说明这部分EB2能
上EB3的几乎都上了。明目张胆的浪费EB2C的名额吗?

said

【在 l**p 的大作中提到】
: It doesn't sound like he would continue to move EB3 drastically. And he said
: he had already been very generous to China EB2.
: 看来放水就别指望了

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c*k
19
感谢楼主询问。
问几个新手问题。
什么是demand?
是不是说eb2交了485算EB2 demand?
还是说奥本手中的数据是说下个月有多少EB2 PD available.
如果说当前available的EB2没交485(可能降级交了EB3的485),那还算噢本的demand吗?
是不是eb2降级eb3的以后的A number没变? 如果没变,是不是可以要求噢本把已经交
了EB3的485的人从EB2的demand里面去掉?

【在 a***g 的大作中提到】
: 可EB2的排期眼看就要到2010年5月了,过了这个时间点他怎么办?继续4-6
: 周的爬行?从最近报绿的来看集中在2010-2011这一块,说明这部分EB2能
: 上EB3的几乎都上了。明目张胆的浪费EB2C的名额吗?
:
: said

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b*g
20
看来EB3已死,EB2当立。
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a*g
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试着回答以下你的问题
demand就是485已经顺利通过,等待发放绿卡的人数
刚刚递交的485需要一段时间才能进入demand
没交485的显然不算在demand里

吗?

【在 c******k 的大作中提到】
: 感谢楼主询问。
: 问几个新手问题。
: 什么是demand?
: 是不是说eb2交了485算EB2 demand?
: 还是说奥本手中的数据是说下个月有多少EB2 PD available.
: 如果说当前available的EB2没交485(可能降级交了EB3的485),那还算噢本的demand吗?
: 是不是eb2降级eb3的以后的A number没变? 如果没变,是不是可以要求噢本把已经交
: 了EB3的485的人从EB2的demand里面去掉?

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R*R
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老O这个傻逼真不是东西。人家楼主一个小姑娘客客气气和他讨论问题,问的全是非常
中规中矩的问题,这傻逼竟然挂人家楼主的电话。
谢谢楼主。
问候老O全家。
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j*1
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谢谢楼主!!
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a*g
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这帮人就像旧时当铺掌柜的,吃穷人、喝穷人、还把穷人不当人,说出话来气死人

【在 R*R 的大作中提到】
: 老O这个傻逼真不是东西。人家楼主一个小姑娘客客气气和他讨论问题,问的全是非常
: 中规中矩的问题,这傻逼竟然挂人家楼主的电话。
: 谢谢楼主。
: 问候老O全家。

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f*c
25
谢谢lz
这都算对EB2很大方了,他没搞错吧,去年算上FFA还少给了400多,都还没EB3批得多,
现在每月报绿人数10来个,这都算很大方,我都怀疑他数据作假,他这不是完全黑箱操
作吗,反过来还要怪我们没有数据,他倒是把数据公开阿
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t*p
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奥傻凭什么说 he's been generous to china EB2? most of EB2s during 2011 and
early 2012 have downgraded so where the demand comes from?
if he says chinese bloggers are speculating. show us the evidence that there
are enough demand!!!
This is full of bureaucracy.
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R*R
27
我以前在NIH做过,见识过政府部门的人的黑心。
老O这烂货绝对对中国人有成见。
处处卡我们。

【在 f*c 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢lz
: 这都算对EB2很大方了,他没搞错吧,去年算上FFA还少给了400多,都还没EB3批得多,
: 现在每月报绿人数10来个,这都算很大方,我都怀疑他数据作假,他这不是完全黑箱操
: 作吗,反过来还要怪我们没有数据,他倒是把数据公开阿

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z*i
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喜欢这id的名字,前两天吃饭才重温了2集神龙斗士

【在 x*****u 的大作中提到】
: I called O this morning asking him to clarify a couple of things.
: Downgraded EB2 cases were indeed being counted towards EB3 so no worries
: there. He said the Chinese bloggers were clueless about what they were
: talking about and they were raising expectations and making false
: speculations because they don't have the data he has to make a legit
: argument.
: I said as a government agency these data should be made available to the
: public so others can look at it themselves. Then he said the agency didn't
: have the time to do so because they devote their resources and time to
: calculate the data and publish the visa bulletins. He said there were many

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y*2
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感谢努力

【在 x*****u 的大作中提到】
: I called O this morning asking him to clarify a couple of things.
: Downgraded EB2 cases were indeed being counted towards EB3 so no worries
: there. He said the Chinese bloggers were clueless about what they were
: talking about and they were raising expectations and making false
: speculations because they don't have the data he has to make a legit
: argument.
: I said as a government agency these data should be made available to the
: public so others can look at it themselves. Then he said the agency didn't
: have the time to do so because they devote their resources and time to
: calculate the data and publish the visa bulletins. He said there were many

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x*u
30
Thx! 米够米够变!

【在 z***i 的大作中提到】
: 喜欢这id的名字,前两天吃饭才重温了2集神龙斗士
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n*0
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感谢感谢! 应该继续收集证据,有理有力的和他对抗.千万不能现在就示弱.在美国不可
怜弱者的。Keep up the good work.

【在 x*****u 的大作中提到】
: I called O this morning asking him to clarify a couple of things.
: Downgraded EB2 cases were indeed being counted towards EB3 so no worries
: there. He said the Chinese bloggers were clueless about what they were
: talking about and they were raising expectations and making false
: speculations because they don't have the data he has to make a legit
: argument.
: I said as a government agency these data should be made available to the
: public so others can look at it themselves. Then he said the agency didn't
: have the time to do so because they devote their resources and time to
: calculate the data and publish the visa bulletins. He said there were many

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l*y
32
谢谢LZ努力!
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z*i
33
哈哈,赞喜庆的西米够,转你一个包子

【在 x*****u 的大作中提到】
: Thx! 米够米够变!
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z*g
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感谢楼主。
看来下个月EB3的排期玄了,会不会原地不动啊?
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b*g
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谁也不知道,但是EB2应该马上要开闸了。

【在 z****g 的大作中提到】
: 感谢楼主。
: 看来下个月EB3的排期玄了,会不会原地不动啊?

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z*g
36
唉,还盼着下个月能推进到12年呢

【在 b*******g 的大作中提到】
: 谁也不知道,但是EB2应该马上要开闸了。
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H*i
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你跟他谈数据他说你clueless, 你跟他谈法规他跟你谈variables, 你叫他公布数据他
说没有时间,你问他中国EB2还剩多少人他说多得很,你写下面这一段给他问怎么可能
还有很多他就不言语了。
Dear Mr. Oppenheim,
The last time when you published Demand Data it was Feb 7, 2014. There were
a total accumulated demand of 3,425 China EB2. One year has passed and the
visa bulletins allows only very few China EB2 to submit I-485 because these
few China EB2 missed the window in 2012 to submit their I-485. It would be
a very fair guess that 300 new China EB2 could have been added to the 3,425
accumulated demand, making it about 3,800. From Feb 2014 to January 2015
you have allocated about 3,500 visa numbers to China EB2, leaving only a few
hundred in your Demand data. Could you take a look at China EB2 demand and
let us know how soon do you think the China EB2 demand will be exhausted?
Thank you!

【在 x*****u 的大作中提到】
: I called O this morning asking him to clarify a couple of things.
: Downgraded EB2 cases were indeed being counted towards EB3 so no worries
: there. He said the Chinese bloggers were clueless about what they were
: talking about and they were raising expectations and making false
: speculations because they don't have the data he has to make a legit
: argument.
: I said as a government agency these data should be made available to the
: public so others can look at it themselves. Then he said the agency didn't
: have the time to do so because they devote their resources and time to
: calculate the data and publish the visa bulletins. He said there were many

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R*R
38
奥傻就是在装疯卖傻而已。有句话叫欲加之罪,何患无辞?
他的目的就是要卡住中国人,让烙印多吃名额。
奥傻这煞笔早晚会有报应。

were
the
these
be
425
2015

【在 H******i 的大作中提到】
: 你跟他谈数据他说你clueless, 你跟他谈法规他跟你谈variables, 你叫他公布数据他
: 说没有时间,你问他中国EB2还剩多少人他说多得很,你写下面这一段给他问怎么可能
: 还有很多他就不言语了。
: Dear Mr. Oppenheim,
: The last time when you published Demand Data it was Feb 7, 2014. There were
: a total accumulated demand of 3,425 China EB2. One year has passed and the
: visa bulletins allows only very few China EB2 to submit I-485 because these
: few China EB2 missed the window in 2012 to submit their I-485. It would be
: a very fair guess that 300 new China EB2 could have been added to the 3,425
: accumulated demand, making it about 3,800. From Feb 2014 to January 2015

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a*c
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昨晚发帖被删了,Eb2亲属移民算eb2名额吗?配偶是,子女父母xdjm是吗?
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p*s
40
和我感觉一样,老赫和niu 和奥本根本就不在一个page 上,鸡同鸭讲

★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.6

【在 f*******r 的大作中提到】
: 说的是老赫?
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a*c
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奥傻就是赤果果的嫉妒,再加上对女士态度粗鲁,典型的人渣做派。
[在 prairieoaks (绿绿绿绿绿绿绿绿) 的大作中提到:]
:和我感觉一样,老赫和niu 和奥本根本就不在一个page 上,鸡同鸭讲

:...........
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B*l
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人家作为公务员肯和你们说话就不错了, 要是在中国早就把你抓起来了, 算啦。
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w*i
43
他的工资都是我们pay的,跟我们通个话就他妈要谢主隆恩了?比议员总统架子还大。

【在 B*****l 的大作中提到】
: 人家作为公务员肯和你们说话就不错了, 要是在中国早就把你抓起来了, 算啦。
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c*g
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说实话,对比中国的国家公务员,已经很好了。不过在自由民主的美帝,那就不够好。
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p*s
45
奥巴马工资也是你们pay的,你看他和你通话么?

★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.6

【在 w********i 的大作中提到】
: 他的工资都是我们pay的,跟我们通个话就他妈要谢主隆恩了?比议员总统架子还大。
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w*i
46
人议员还给催催绿呢。

【在 p*********s 的大作中提到】
: 奥巴马工资也是你们pay的,你看他和你通话么?
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.6

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p*s
47
那是他的工作

★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.6

【在 w********i 的大作中提到】
: 人议员还给催催绿呢。
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