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9th Circuit在五壮士案中谴责了奥本推卸责任# EB23 - 劳工卡
j*x
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I am running a special project here at Google to reconnect with some of our
strongest candidates and put them into a streamlined interview process.I am
running a special project here at Google to reconnect with some of our
strongest candidates and put them into a streamlined interview process.
什么事streamlined interview process?会轻松一些吗?
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a*g
2
摘要:
有的学生饭卡上没钱了——
学校不玩大方,被媒体一顿臭骂
学校玩大方的,结果欠一屁股账没人管
Like many parents of school-age children, Frances Frost tries to keep up
with the papers sent home in her daughter Natalie’s backpack. Sifting
through permission slips, picture day fliers, field-trip notices, and other
forms seems like a daily occurrence, and often somewhere lost in the pile is
a reminder to send money to her fifth-grader’s school cafeteria. As the
mother of four, refilling school lunch accounts is second nature by now, but
last week she was caught by surprise. When her youngest went through the
cafeteria line to buy lunch, the cafeteria worker told Natalie she didn’t
have enough money to pay for her food: Her mother had forgotten to make the
last deposit.
The Silver Spring, Maryland, mom says the lunch server graciously let
Natalie keep her selected hot lunch with a reminder to bring money for her
meal account. Still, Frost says a process that subjects children to the
embarrassment of returning their lunch—one that isn’t uncommon in schools
across the country—just isn’t sound. “There should be a way to indicate
before they get into line that they don’t have enough on their account to
save [children] the distress of having to return their lunch,” she said.
A debate on school nutrition—trading pizza, fries, and cookies for whole
grains, fruits and vegetables—has raged for years, while a parallel debate
has gone somewhat unnoticed and unaddressed: What should be the consequence
for children with delinquent school-meal accounts? While the most pressing
issue in some school cafeterias is students tossing healthier school lunches
in the trash, in others it is school employees dumping children’s lunches
in the trash for nonpayment. And the result is hungry children, stunned
parents, and increasing questions about how school districts handle overdue
payments.
Last year in Bedford, Kentucky, parents complained and accused the local
elementary school of “bullying” after a child’s lunch was confiscated and
thrown away in front of her friends for running a negative balance. In
Dowagiac, Michigan, Dominic Gant, a high-schooler, was left embarrassed and
hungry when his lunch was taken and trashed for owing $4.95. A 12-year-old
in Dickinson, Texas had his school breakfast dumped over a 30 cent debt. And
two years ago in Utah, some 40 students had their lunches seized for unpaid
meal debts in a case that caused a national uproar. A parent of one of the
Utah children told the Salt Lake Tribune it was a “despicable” act, and
questioned why children should be “punished or humiliated for something the
parents obviously need to clear up.”
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The notion of taking children’s lunches away and throwing them in the trash
—in some cases, in front of the child and their peers—angers parents and
exposes school officials to scorn. But behind the outrage lurks a larger
issue. Survey data from the advocacy group School Nutrition Association
shows that overdrawn lunch accounts create real financial challenges for
school districts, forced to weigh mounting costs against unsatisfied
students and families.
Findings from the group’s “State of School Nutrition 2014” offers a
glimpse at the scope of the problem for school leaders. In a nationally
representative survey of more than 1,100 school nutrition directors working
in public-school districts, nearly 71 percent of districts reported their
school nutrition program had unpaid student-meal debt at the end of the 2012
-13 school year. The amount of debt varied greatly depending on the size of
the district, with school-lunch debt ranging from $2 among the smallest
jurisdictions to $4.7 million among large districts. And for more than one-
third of districts (38 percent), the number of students who can’t afford to
pay for their lunch is growing, in part an indication of the higher
percentage of children now living in poverty. According to SNA, the
increases are most common in mid-sized school districts, and geographically
concentrated in the Northeast and Southeast.
Parents and school administrators must work together to reach a balance and
develop meal policies “that respect students while preventing escalating
unpaid meal debts,” said Diane Pratt-Heavner, the nutrition association’s
spokesperson. While federal funds cover the cost of school breakfast and
lunch for low-income children, parents “[saddle] the district with a debt
that impacts the quality of meals for all students,” when they fail to
enroll in the program or pay for their children’s full-price meals, Pratt-
Heavner said, adding that school-meal programs typically operate
independently of districtwide budgets and rely on sales to cover food and
labor costs.
The USDA, which oversees school-nutrition programs, says unpaid meals are a
matter of “local discretion,” according to Pratt-Heavner, whose
organization seeks clear and firm federal guidance on how schools should
manage unpaid meal debts. To strike a compromise, many districts establish
policies to feed students unable to pay for a hot school meal. In the SNA
survey, a majority of districts had either a formal policy (46 percent) or
informal procedure (29 percent) for students who lack the funds to pay for
breakfast or lunch. What’s not so easily measured, however, is the
underlying stigma associated with receiving free or reduced-price meals that
might force some families to opt out of the assistance.
While tossing food is not a preferred method, alternatives can be equally
tricky. Substitute meals, which some districts use as a compromise, can also
earn condemnation from students. Earlier this year, an Indiana student took
to social media after witnessing a lunch tray taken away from a classmate
at her high school and replaced with cheese and bread. In a January 5th
Facebook post, Sierra Feitl shared a picture of the sparse lunch, calling it
“absolutely mortifying” that her classmates would receive this as their
daily school meal. On the defensive, the district superintendent countered
that Kokomo School Corporation had more than $50,000 in delinquent meal fees
last year, and the new policy was consistent with neighboring districts.>
“Children shouldn’t be made to go the day without any lunch because of
their parent’s action … it’s the child who suffers the consequences.”
Understanding the impact of these responses to nonpayment is especially
important given how many children suffer from food insecurity. A 2015 online
survey of K-8 teachers, principals, and support staff conducted by the
national anti-hunger organization Share Our Strength found 75 percent of
teachers and 84 percent of principals say their students are coming to
school hungry, and more than half (59 percent) of educators state “a lot or
most” of their students depend on school meals as a primary source of
nutrition.
Similar findings on child hunger have led some urban school districts with
large numbers of low-income families—including Boston, Chicago, and
Baltimore—to bypass the bookkeeping and provide free breakfast and lunch to
all students regardless of financial means. The programs, which are
subsidized by the USDA’s Community Eligibility Program, replace cafeteria
checkout lines and the angst of overdrawn lunch accounts with universal free
breakfast and lunch.
The federal program also helps prevent the side effects of hunger on
education, which research shows can interfere with physical and cognitive
skills, from strength and coordination to concentration and problem-solving.
As the Maryland state lawmaker Keith Haynes explained to the Huffington
Post about Baltimore’s new meal initiative: “Students, whether they can
afford to purchase food or not throughout the school year, now have the same
access to balanced, nutritious meals … it lets students focus on getting
through the day without having to be hungry.”
In trying to see the issue from all perspectives, Frost, the Maryland mom,
settles on what may be the most crucial consideration. “I can imagine it’s
hard for the cafeteria worker that has to retrieve a lunch from a child.
And yes, parents who can afford to do so should be responsible in paying
their child’s lunch fees. Yet children shouldn’t be made to go the day
without any lunch because of their parent’s action … it’s the child who
suffers the consequences.”
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w*i
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请问485 RFE 可以用USPS 的express mail 吗谢谢了
给的邮回地址是P.O. box. 考古发现是可以的,在确认一下,谢谢
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A*Z
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2011年五壮士状告DOS/DHS/USCIS对EB3缺斤少两,行政不作为。最后告到了第9巡回庭。
9th虽然判定五壮士败诉。但是判决书中,panel judge谴责了DOS和USCIS沟通不良。即
便你奥本没发满不犯法,但是只要跟USCIS沟通好了,就不会排期定错。写这个Opinion
的法官目前还在任。
判决书:
cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2013/03/20/11-35412.pdf
关键段落:
Instead, the government erroneously gave these visas to individuals from
other countries, many of whom had been waiting far less time for the same
type of visa than their Chinese counterparts.
...
Plaintiffs, and thousands of others like them, were prejudiced as a result,
in that they were required to wait far longer for their visas than other
individuals who applied at the same time.
...
(对奥本的谴责)
It is clear, moreover, from Plaintiffs' largely uncontested allegations,
that the Visa Office's waiting list was inaccurate, because the Visa Office
lacked adequate information from USCIS. Had the Visa Office simply asked
USCIS for the necessary information regarding pending applications for
immigrant visas—or, conversely, had USCIS simply provided to the Visa
Office the full information that office required to create an accurate
waiting list—the misallocation of visas that Plaintiffs complain of likely
could have been averted.
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o*e
5
应该是吧。 以前虽然被G据的,
也许再apply可以简单一些了。
谢谢分享! 望多Update
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M*s
6
重点?

other
is
but
the

【在 a*****g 的大作中提到】
: 摘要:
: 有的学生饭卡上没钱了——
: 学校不玩大方,被媒体一顿臭骂
: 学校玩大方的,结果欠一屁股账没人管
: Like many parents of school-age children, Frances Frost tries to keep up
: with the papers sent home in her daughter Natalie’s backpack. Sifting
: through permission slips, picture day fliers, field-trip notices, and other
: forms seems like a daily occurrence, and often somewhere lost in the pile is
: a reminder to send money to her fifth-grader’s school cafeteria. As the
: mother of four, refilling school lunch accounts is second nature by now, but

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i*t
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为啥不可以 po box 是 usps的专长啊
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n*y
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so what??
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l*8
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可能就是少面几轮。

our
am

【在 j*x 的大作中提到】
: I am running a special project here at Google to reconnect with some of our
: strongest candidates and put them into a streamlined interview process.I am
: running a special project here at Google to reconnect with some of our
: strongest candidates and put them into a streamlined interview process.
: 什么事streamlined interview process?会轻松一些吗?

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a*g
10
作者的重点——学生有的账上没钱了,学校玩大方,也欠了一屁股账

pile
the
the
’t

【在 M********s 的大作中提到】
: 重点?
:
: other
: is
: but
: the

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A*Z
11
对9th Ciruit的解读:
https://www.nationofimmigrators.com/immigration-reform/immigration-quota-
reform-waste-not-want-not-1/
虽说第9巡回庭认定了这个移民体系的不公平,从根本上只能由Congress来解决。但是
,法庭明显同情中国EB在这个不公平的体系中受到的更不公平待遇。
The three judges deciding the case found themselves powerless to help a
group of plaintiffs born in China who claimed they were the victims of
improper green card allocation by USCIS and the State Department.
Although these agencies reportedly violated a law requiring the conferral of
immigrant visas on a first-come, first-served basis, they instead gave
green cards due the plaintiffs to other foreign citizens. The judges’
response: Too bad, too sad — for Congress created no penalty or remedy
that the courts could apply when immigration officials, however often,
misallocate or waste green cards.
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J*A
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special proj是啥?xlab?
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M*s
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木兰上小学时有时被贴sticker,欠饭费一顿,我赶紧开支票

【在 a*****g 的大作中提到】
: 作者的重点——学生有的账上没钱了,学校玩大方,也欠了一屁股账
:
: pile
: the
: the
: ’t

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a*5
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So after this they didn't short our visa numbers for EB3, that's so what.

【在 n*******y 的大作中提到】
: so what??
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a*g
15
学校承担了太多不应该承担的职责
难怪现在都招不到老师了

【在 M********s 的大作中提到】
: 木兰上小学时有时被贴sticker,欠饭费一顿,我赶紧开支票
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b*r
16
对有些人不用太认真。他们决定让自己称为过客,那我们就没有必要让他们参与其中。
一告顶7年啊!这个告值了!尽管我已经拿到卡了,不过有告USCIS的case,我仍会非常
乐意捐款。

【在 a*********5 的大作中提到】
: So after this they didn't short our visa numbers for EB3, that's so what.
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M*s
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这是两条线,找不到好老师可能是工资待遇低也可能是本学区不好混口碑差,一般水涨
船高老师这活儿属于半义工性质,但混饭吃的人也存在,所以聪明孩子会自学并不完全
依赖老师的好与差

【在 a*****g 的大作中提到】
: 学校承担了太多不应该承担的职责
: 难怪现在都招不到老师了

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s*t
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支持打官司

庭。
Opinion

【在 A****Z 的大作中提到】
: 2011年五壮士状告DOS/DHS/USCIS对EB3缺斤少两,行政不作为。最后告到了第9巡回庭。
: 9th虽然判定五壮士败诉。但是判决书中,panel judge谴责了DOS和USCIS沟通不良。即
: 便你奥本没发满不犯法,但是只要跟USCIS沟通好了,就不会排期定错。写这个Opinion
: 的法官目前还在任。
: 判决书:
: cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2013/03/20/11-35412.pdf
: 关键段落:
: Instead, the government erroneously gave these visas to individuals from
: other countries, many of whom had been waiting far less time for the same
: type of visa than their Chinese counterparts.

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x*8
19
very valuable,
Thank you very much!

庭。
Opinion

【在 A****Z 的大作中提到】
: 2011年五壮士状告DOS/DHS/USCIS对EB3缺斤少两,行政不作为。最后告到了第9巡回庭。
: 9th虽然判定五壮士败诉。但是判决书中,panel judge谴责了DOS和USCIS沟通不良。即
: 便你奥本没发满不犯法,但是只要跟USCIS沟通好了,就不会排期定错。写这个Opinion
: 的法官目前还在任。
: 判决书:
: cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2013/03/20/11-35412.pdf
: 关键段落:
: Instead, the government erroneously gave these visas to individuals from
: other countries, many of whom had been waiting far less time for the same
: type of visa than their Chinese counterparts.

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c*y
20
是的 我询问过前辈 要打官司确实是需要个人受害人的名义去起诉
我们乐见一个人受害人来起诉,我们也会全力配合协助

庭。
Opinion

【在 A****Z 的大作中提到】
: 2011年五壮士状告DOS/DHS/USCIS对EB3缺斤少两,行政不作为。最后告到了第9巡回庭。
: 9th虽然判定五壮士败诉。但是判决书中,panel judge谴责了DOS和USCIS沟通不良。即
: 便你奥本没发满不犯法,但是只要跟USCIS沟通好了,就不会排期定错。写这个Opinion
: 的法官目前还在任。
: 判决书:
: cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2013/03/20/11-35412.pdf
: 关键段落:
: Instead, the government erroneously gave these visas to individuals from
: other countries, many of whom had been waiting far less time for the same
: type of visa than their Chinese counterparts.

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s*t
21
需要受害到什么程度?

【在 c****y 的大作中提到】
: 是的 我询问过前辈 要打官司确实是需要个人受害人的名义去起诉
: 我们乐见一个人受害人来起诉,我们也会全力配合协助
:
: 庭。
: Opinion

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p*6
22
来划重点:
1. 败诉
2. 少发不犯法
谴责有个P用,中国外交部还成天谴责呢。阿Q也要有个限度。
只要不动公务员的铁饭碗,他们还是该吃吃该睡睡
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b*r
23
有个帖子,表格归纳了近10年的EB发卡数量,明显看到2011年大增(好像8000多),然
后每年递减。难不成跟这个官司有关?
如果这样的话,我更赞成出来告DHS/DOS/USCIS!不长记性的一群官僚......
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b*r
24
这种官司多起来后,必定会影响到奥本的仕途!

【在 p*****6 的大作中提到】
: 来划重点:
: 1. 败诉
: 2. 少发不犯法
: 谴责有个P用,中国外交部还成天谴责呢。阿Q也要有个限度。
: 只要不动公务员的铁饭碗,他们还是该吃吃该睡睡

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e*g
25
支持告,虽然我们表面上看不到啥,但不代表那些庸官就不会有心理以及官场的压力,
对他们来说至少是个负面影响、政绩吧,也会被政治对手拿来攻击吧。
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A*Z
26
据我所知,五壮士案之后,奥本开始提供他手上的内部demand数据。虽说现在版上有人
骂奥本的demand数据很烂,但是在那之前,中国EB连烂数据都看不到,只能瞎猜。这个
跟第9巡回庭批评DOS/USCIS数据不透明可能有很大的关系。
仅数据公开这一项就已经很值了,更不要说后面好几年都没少发。奥本和移民局胜诉不
代表他们喜欢挨官司,反正给中国EB多发一个少发一个他们都不会少块肉。烙印叫得凶
,那就把SO全给烙印,中国EB不叫唤就啥也没有。

【在 e*****g 的大作中提到】
: 支持告,虽然我们表面上看不到啥,但不代表那些庸官就不会有心理以及官场的压力,
: 对他们来说至少是个负面影响、政绩吧,也会被政治对手拿来攻击吧。

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l*t
27
照您的意思,埋头当鸵鸟当作不知道少发这回事是最好处置办法?

【在 p*****6 的大作中提到】
: 来划重点:
: 1. 败诉
: 2. 少发不犯法
: 谴责有个P用,中国外交部还成天谴责呢。阿Q也要有个限度。
: 只要不动公务员的铁饭碗,他们还是该吃吃该睡睡

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l*t
28
照您的意思,埋头当鸵鸟当作不知道少发这回事是最好处置办法?

【在 p*****6 的大作中提到】
: 来划重点:
: 1. 败诉
: 2. 少发不犯法
: 谴责有个P用,中国外交部还成天谴责呢。阿Q也要有个限度。
: 只要不动公务员的铁饭碗,他们还是该吃吃该睡睡

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h*a
29
支持上诉
在美国就该用美国的思路 善用法律
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s*t
30
起诉不能只看结果
即便上诉者败诉 被起诉的一方也要应付官司 委托律师 准备法庭文件传唤 疲于应付
何况还被法庭谴责了
谁没事儿也不想找麻烦不是?
为什么房主都怕律师租户?一个道理

【在 p*****6 的大作中提到】
: 来划重点:
: 1. 败诉
: 2. 少发不犯法
: 谴责有个P用,中国外交部还成天谴责呢。阿Q也要有个限度。
: 只要不动公务员的铁饭碗,他们还是该吃吃该睡睡

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s*8
31
说到点子上了!
就是这个理儿!

【在 s****t 的大作中提到】
: 起诉不能只看结果
: 即便上诉者败诉 被起诉的一方也要应付官司 委托律师 准备法庭文件传唤 疲于应付
: 何况还被法庭谴责了
: 谁没事儿也不想找麻烦不是?
: 为什么房主都怕律师租户?一个道理

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b*e
32
支持,虽然我没受影响,但是我支持告DOS和移民局,太孙子了
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m*f
33
能不能再详细点介绍这个案子?比如有几年EB3少发?各少发几个名额?这样才能和现
在比较。
同时谢谢NIU的工作。

庭。
Opinion

【在 A****Z 的大作中提到】
: 2011年五壮士状告DOS/DHS/USCIS对EB3缺斤少两,行政不作为。最后告到了第9巡回庭。
: 9th虽然判定五壮士败诉。但是判决书中,panel judge谴责了DOS和USCIS沟通不良。即
: 便你奥本没发满不犯法,但是只要跟USCIS沟通好了,就不会排期定错。写这个Opinion
: 的法官目前还在任。
: 判决书:
: cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2013/03/20/11-35412.pdf
: 关键段落:
: Instead, the government erroneously gave these visas to individuals from
: other countries, many of whom had been waiting far less time for the same
: type of visa than their Chinese counterparts.

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A*Z
34
五壮士案例如下:
Zixiang Li、Jun Li、Jun Guo、 Shibao Zhang、Ming Chang代表中国大陆的EB3群体
,指控美国政府机构行政过失,导致中国大陆的EB3申请人在2008、2009年度短缺2300
多个名额,违反了移民法中先来后到的公平原则。诉讼还通过审前动议,要求移民局归
还EB3短缺的名额,并补偿其间申请人支付的工卡年检及返美证的申请费用。
诉状指出:职业移民和亲属移民一样,是移居美国的合法渠道之一。EB3每年的名额上
限为2500个。但在2008、2009年度,由于美国政府移民机构行政过失,EB3分别只获得
限额的70%和43%,共短缺2300多个名额,导致中国的第三类职业移民须在他们长达7到8
年的绿卡之路上再多等一年。这种等待,给他们的事业、家庭带来负面影响。

【在 m***f 的大作中提到】
: 能不能再详细点介绍这个案子?比如有几年EB3少发?各少发几个名额?这样才能和现
: 在比较。
: 同时谢谢NIU的工作。
:
: 庭。
: Opinion

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b*e
35
赞许楼主的工作。打官司我愿意捐款
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s*t
36
对于班上说什么已经开始大进了,不要得罪奥本了,晕死,在美国,会哭的孩子有奶吃
好吧,明明受到不公平待遇了,谴责批评都不行了啊,这是要当软柿子么。支持告,虽
然已经绿了,愿意捐款
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t*y
37
敬佩
要是打官司,我也捐款
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n*n
39
输赢不是那么重要
奥本的上司被告,是有奥本失职引起的, 他的日子肯定不会很好过. 至少以后他不太敢
缺我们名额. 再说不缺名额他也不难做到.
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