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feel so frustrated!# Environmental - 环境科学与工程

s*d2007-12-05 08:12

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国内本科和硕士的给排水，2年前美国的博士学位，刚拿到PE,但没有工作过。研究方向
主要是环境化学。现在在做博后。基本已放弃学术界的想法，一直在找环境咨询公司的
位置。但前后一年多，简历也投了几百份，但还是一点回音都没有。我也尽力想修改简
历，但博士期间的研究确实很理论，并且都是偏化学，很难跟实际的一些项目联系起来
，并且也没有任何的实际经验。说实话本人还是蛮自信的，觉得只要有机会，肯定能干
得挺好，但现在连电话面试都没有。不知版上的朋友能不能给提些建议建议或者帮忙推
荐一下。真的是不胜感激。

o*e2007-12-05 08:12

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find an intern first

z*o2007-12-05 08:12

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cft，你的情况确实比较难些，PhD + PE = higher salary。但是又没有经验，今年经
济形势又这么差，所以。。。
建议楼主先想想自己到底想在哪个方向工作,然后把自己所以的经历往这里套,让简历更
有针对性,不相关的就不要放在上面.既然本硕都是给排水,如果不是特别讨厌做这个,可
以考虑从这里开始.公司里软件用得比较多,可以自学一些.
还有一点，你是什么身份？

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: 国内本科和硕士的给排水，2年前美国的博士学位，刚拿到PE,但没有工作过。研究方向
: 主要是环境化学。现在在做博后。基本已放弃学术界的想法，一直在找环境咨询公司的
: 位置。但前后一年多，简历也投了几百份，但还是一点回音都没有。我也尽力想修改简
: 历，但博士期间的研究确实很理论，并且都是偏化学，很难跟实际的一些项目联系起来
: ，并且也没有任何的实际经验。说实话本人还是蛮自信的，觉得只要有机会，肯定能干
: 得挺好，但现在连电话面试都没有。不知版上的朋友能不能给提些建议建议或者帮忙推
: 荐一下。真的是不胜感激。

a*a2007-12-05 08:12

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I can tell why environmental consulting firms hesitate to give you a shot.
With PhD and PE licenses, you should be at least hired as a mid-level
engineer. Since you do not have much hands-on experience, you may have to
start as an entry level engineer in any firm. Generally speaking, the
consulting firm will not offer you the entry level salary based on your
background. However, in the consulting firm, to meet the high chargeable
ratio of the engineers and the target project profit (normally

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Z*X2007-12-05 08:12

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I would suggest that you focus on local companies. If your city is small,
move to larger cities.
Also, ask your friends and or your professors to refer you to some firms.
Meanwhile, apply for green card as soon as possible. Once you at least have
485-pending EAD, you do not need H1 sponsorship, which will make companies
more willing to hire you.
Brush up your resume, try to list some "engineering projects" based on your
BS/MS/PhD education. You may not need to mention PhD if you think it is a
bu

B*n2007-12-05 08:12

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you may want to try functional resume instead of a chronicle one.
drop off some research experience/publications and focus more on what can
you do in an environmental co.

s*d2007-12-05 08:12

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Thanks for all the suggestions!

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: you may want to try functional resume instead of a chronicle one.
: drop off some research experience/publications and focus more on what can
: you do in an environmental co.

z*e2007-12-05 08:12

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看这位前辈说的情形,我都不知道该不该继续申请了.我也是本科给排水,不同的是工作
了三年,给排水设计.现在准备APPLY呢.直接申硕士,能给奖学金吗?

c*g2007-12-05 08:12

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为何要放弃学术界？

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m*e2007-12-05 08:12

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说实话，我觉得楼主还是比较适合搞学术。。
但如果还是喜欢工业界，就两点建议：
1。利用一切办法建立人际网络，比如年会上和公司的人混脸熟。只要一切能结识工业
界人士的机会都不要放过。
我个人的例子，就是学校系里弄得一个小小的poster展上10分钟的presentation给两个
公司的员工留下了比较好的映像，带来面试机会。后来面试的时候他们都提到，一个外
国人能够做到outgoing他们会觉得很不容易。
之前没有点接触就直接乱投简历的，除了那种长在鸟不拉屎地方的小公司，基本没戏
2。就是把英语练好再练好。
我回头总结一下自己找工作的经历，想想自己的长处，绝对不是个人学术能力镇服别人
（像我这种没事就跑fashion灌水的人，说我学术我要笑死），我觉得我是占到口语好
的优势。也是人家在面试和后来透露出来的想法，就是口语说的地道，不仅以后工作不
会存在障碍，更重要是他们会assume这个人有特别的能力。
好吧，就说这么多，要是谁看了不顺眼觉得我在BSO就忽略吧。我只是把自己经验说出
来，希望楼主好运。

s*d2007-12-05 08:12

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Actually, I do like the academia. But have tried it for 2 years and got no
luck at all. I am long distance with LD and the kid. It's really so tough to
not see loved ones everyday.

c*n2007-12-05 08:12

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If you are going for a consulting firm, be prepared for low pay and high-
paced working environment. Unlike the consulting firm in China, it is a
very challenge business with less income.
Consulting firm, not matter how national it is, it is still small. Small
firm usually aims high profit to grow faster. There is no such "PRODUCT"
that the firm produces. The firm makes profit by selling service. (There is
no solid price for the service! Clients may not agree with the PRICE you
asked.)
In add

p*u2007-12-05 08:12

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我得情况和你相识
FRESH PHD+PE POST DOC 一年,刚刚拿了个OFFER
我觉得身份是个很大的问题,连F1都不如,如果有可能
先搞定绿卡,找工作就容易的多.

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c*n2007-12-05 08:12

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my company will not hire anyone who needs sponsorship. Sorry I cannot help
you.
But, if you are a geologist, they may consider sponsorship.
Being a geologist, you need to be experienced and work very hard.

H*02007-12-05 08:12

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That sounds interesting, I am working in environmental subject, I just got a
geologist lisence, my major area is hydrogeology and have both research (
long) and consulting (short) experience. Because I don't have green card, I
am still stuck in school. In waiting for GC, I have not start applying
consulting or government agency jobs. would you mind to post the website
with job annoucement? How likely a consulting firm will sponsor a H1B?

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: my company will not hire anyone who needs sponsorship. Sorry I cannot help
: you.
: But, if you are a geologist, they may consider sponsorship.
: Being a geologist, you need to be experienced and work very hard.

s*d2007-12-05 08:12

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Actually, I don't expect to be paid like the experienced engineer. I am fine
to start from the entry level. I've tried consulting firms, manufactures,
still got no lucky. I even took PE off my resume. And currently I don't need
H1 sponsorship since I've got EAD.
Can anybody give me a refer? or help me refine my resume? Thanks,

g*r2007-12-05 08:12

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do you have any interviews? If not, you probably need work more on your
resume and cover letter.Also, find network to refer you.
If you do get interviews, you need work more on your communication: how to
effectively deliver yourself. a strong interest on the firm, honesty, easy-
going, smart and hard work, plus your academia background are the points the
interviewers looking for, I think.
From my personal experience, communication is very important for us. It does
not mean to require us to speak

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: Actually, I don't expect to be paid like the experienced engineer. I am fine
: to start from the entry level. I've tried consulting firms, manufactures,
: still got no lucky. I even took PE off my resume. And currently I don't need
: H1 sponsorship since I've got EAD.
: Can anybody give me a refer? or help me refine my resume? Thanks,