w*s
2 楼
苹果只是打败了wintel 联盟
对google 还是个守势
google对fb 也是紧追
对icloud 我没太大期望
对google 还是个守势
google对fb 也是紧追
对icloud 我没太大期望
f*8
3 楼
sigh...
s*n
5 楼
What will you do if you are Steve?
make www.me.com free, like google is doing? It sounds to me, Google is
more like a dotcom start-up, while Apple is more like SONY + Microsoft.
make www.me.com free, like google is doing? It sounds to me, Google is
more like a dotcom start-up, while Apple is more like SONY + Microsoft.
s*a
6 楼
谢谢了
ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1279396981&sr=8-1
【在 d****2 的大作中提到】
: http://www.amazon.com/Zyliss-20360-Seafood-Cracker-Red/dp/B000K8ZY1C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1279396981&sr=8-1
ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1279396981&sr=8-1
【在 d****2 的大作中提到】
: http://www.amazon.com/Zyliss-20360-Seafood-Cracker-Red/dp/B000K8ZY1C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1279396981&sr=8-1
a*y
7 楼
what if
iOS 5 will have total Twitter integration
and what if, Apple investe a large percentage in Twitter?
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: 苹果只是打败了wintel 联盟
: 对google 还是个守势
: google对fb 也是紧追
: 对icloud 我没太大期望
iOS 5 will have total Twitter integration
and what if, Apple investe a large percentage in Twitter?
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: 苹果只是打败了wintel 联盟
: 对google 还是个守势
: google对fb 也是紧追
: 对icloud 我没太大期望
a*y
8 楼
苹果还不算打败了Wintel联盟吧。
苹果只是长期保持比Windows PC更高的增长
苹果还是会继续用Intel的处理器的。
对Google，苹果确实缺乏足够的engineer来全面挑战Google的internet service.
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: 苹果只是打败了wintel 联盟
: 对google 还是个守势
: google对fb 也是紧追
: 对icloud 我没太大期望
苹果只是长期保持比Windows PC更高的增长
苹果还是会继续用Intel的处理器的。
对Google，苹果确实缺乏足够的engineer来全面挑战Google的internet service.
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: 苹果只是打败了wintel 联盟
: 对google 还是个守势
: google对fb 也是紧追
: 对icloud 我没太大期望
t*u
9 楼
icloud是什么都还不知到呢
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: 苹果只是打败了wintel 联盟
: 对google 还是个守势
: google对fb 也是紧追
: 对icloud 我没太大期望
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: 苹果只是打败了wintel 联盟
: 对google 还是个守势
: google对fb 也是紧追
: 对icloud 我没太大期望
b*t
10 楼
it's not What if
it's going to be announced next week
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: what if
: iOS 5 will have total Twitter integration
: and what if, Apple investe a large percentage in Twitter?
it's going to be announced next week
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: what if
: iOS 5 will have total Twitter integration
: and what if, Apple investe a large percentage in Twitter?
w*s
11 楼
如果连一个好的internet 产品都没出来过，直接想通过买个twitter 就成功市痴心妄想
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: what if
: iOS 5 will have total Twitter integration
: and what if, Apple investe a large percentage in Twitter?
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: what if
: iOS 5 will have total Twitter integration
: and what if, Apple investe a large percentage in Twitter?
a*y
12 楼
iTunes stores难道不是internet服务？
App Store难道不是？
MobileMe虽然有些方面不如Gmail，客观的说，很多方面还是超越Gmail的。
以前的iCard, .Mac homepage这些也不算差。网络贺卡还流行的时候，很多人发iCard
的。
个人认为苹果要在网络社交媒体上出人头地
除非超强创新，完全很好利用iTunes已有ecosystem，和iOS客户群，否则希望不是很大
。创新外加兼并Twitter或者深度合作，概率大概会高一些。Twitter其实用户数也比
Facebook差多了。
懂网络服务，不代表就可以成功。Google懂吧，Buzz, Wave都是垃圾，失败得比
MobileMe都是多几个数量级。和Ping有的比一。
妄想
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: 如果连一个好的internet 产品都没出来过，直接想通过买个twitter 就成功市痴心妄想
App Store难道不是？
MobileMe虽然有些方面不如Gmail，客观的说，很多方面还是超越Gmail的。
以前的iCard, .Mac homepage这些也不算差。网络贺卡还流行的时候，很多人发iCard
的。
个人认为苹果要在网络社交媒体上出人头地
除非超强创新，完全很好利用iTunes已有ecosystem，和iOS客户群，否则希望不是很大
。创新外加兼并Twitter或者深度合作，概率大概会高一些。Twitter其实用户数也比
Facebook差多了。
懂网络服务，不代表就可以成功。Google懂吧，Buzz, Wave都是垃圾，失败得比
MobileMe都是多几个数量级。和Ping有的比一。
妄想
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: 如果连一个好的internet 产品都没出来过，直接想通过买个twitter 就成功市痴心妄想
w*s
13 楼
mobileme 算很失败了。卖mobileme的sales都抱怨难卖。
app store 和itune 和我们说的internet 服务不太一样。
感觉还是个传统商店上网而已，当然模式上是个革新。
iCard
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: iTunes stores难道不是internet服务？
: App Store难道不是？
: MobileMe虽然有些方面不如Gmail，客观的说，很多方面还是超越Gmail的。
: 以前的iCard, .Mac homepage这些也不算差。网络贺卡还流行的时候，很多人发iCard
: 的。
: 个人认为苹果要在网络社交媒体上出人头地
: 除非超强创新，完全很好利用iTunes已有ecosystem，和iOS客户群，否则希望不是很大
: 。创新外加兼并Twitter或者深度合作，概率大概会高一些。Twitter其实用户数也比
: Facebook差多了。
: 懂网络服务，不代表就可以成功。Google懂吧，Buzz, Wave都是垃圾，失败得比
app store 和itune 和我们说的internet 服务不太一样。
感觉还是个传统商店上网而已，当然模式上是个革新。
iCard
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: iTunes stores难道不是internet服务？
: App Store难道不是？
: MobileMe虽然有些方面不如Gmail，客观的说，很多方面还是超越Gmail的。
: 以前的iCard, .Mac homepage这些也不算差。网络贺卡还流行的时候，很多人发iCard
: 的。
: 个人认为苹果要在网络社交媒体上出人头地
: 除非超强创新，完全很好利用iTunes已有ecosystem，和iOS客户群，否则希望不是很大
: 。创新外加兼并Twitter或者深度合作，概率大概会高一些。Twitter其实用户数也比
: Facebook差多了。
: 懂网络服务，不代表就可以成功。Google懂吧，Buzz, Wave都是垃圾，失败得比
a*y
14 楼
难卖不是因为不好，而是因为太多免费offering了。
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: mobileme 算很失败了。卖mobileme的sales都抱怨难卖。
: app store 和itune 和我们说的internet 服务不太一样。
: 感觉还是个传统商店上网而已，当然模式上是个革新。
:
: iCard
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: mobileme 算很失败了。卖mobileme的sales都抱怨难卖。
: app store 和itune 和我们说的internet 服务不太一样。
: 感觉还是个传统商店上网而已，当然模式上是个革新。
:
: iCard
w*s
15 楼
they didn't figure out a way to do it freely with ads support and premium
subscription earlier.
and lost the market.
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: 难卖不是因为不好，而是因为太多免费offering了。
subscription earlier.
and lost the market.
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: 难卖不是因为不好，而是因为太多免费offering了。
B*s
16 楼
itunes 和 icloud 都是革命性的
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: mobileme 算很失败了。卖mobileme的sales都抱怨难卖。
: app store 和itune 和我们说的internet 服务不太一样。
: 感觉还是个传统商店上网而已，当然模式上是个革新。
:
: iCard
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: mobileme 算很失败了。卖mobileme的sales都抱怨难卖。
: app store 和itune 和我们说的internet 服务不太一样。
: 感觉还是个传统商店上网而已，当然模式上是个革新。
:
: iCard
a*y
17 楼
they did not lose market. they never had the market.
Ad supports, really doesn't sound like Apple.
iAd was created mostly for iOS freeware makers.
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: they didn't figure out a way to do it freely with ads support and premium
: subscription earlier.
: and lost the market.
Ad supports, really doesn't sound like Apple.
iAd was created mostly for iOS freeware makers.
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: they didn't figure out a way to do it freely with ads support and premium
: subscription earlier.
: and lost the market.
j*h
18 楼
This is the actually the key point. It's not about internet, it's about
business model. Google's core model is free
service with ads (hence we are its product instead of customers). Apple's is
to sell hardware by superb software
and UX. Now, online service and cloud sync has become essential part of
mobile platform, I would expect
Apple to get the act together. iCloud could also serve as the backend for
third-party apps for sync - which
reflects Apple's vision on the future of computing, i.e., rich local client
+ seamless cloud sync. This is in
contrast to Chrome OS, which is thin client (cache) + mainframe-like server
. Here I feel Google is attacking
yesterday's IT problem, and Apple's solution more pragmatic.
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: they didn't figure out a way to do it freely with ads support and premium
: subscription earlier.
: and lost the market.
business model. Google's core model is free
service with ads (hence we are its product instead of customers). Apple's is
to sell hardware by superb software
and UX. Now, online service and cloud sync has become essential part of
mobile platform, I would expect
Apple to get the act together. iCloud could also serve as the backend for
third-party apps for sync - which
reflects Apple's vision on the future of computing, i.e., rich local client
+ seamless cloud sync. This is in
contrast to Chrome OS, which is thin client (cache) + mainframe-like server
. Here I feel Google is attacking
yesterday's IT problem, and Apple's solution more pragmatic.
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: they didn't figure out a way to do it freely with ads support and premium
: subscription earlier.
: and lost the market.
a*s
19 楼
Well said.
is
【在 j**h 的大作中提到】
: This is the actually the key point. It's not about internet, it's about
: business model. Google's core model is free
: service with ads (hence we are its product instead of customers). Apple's is
: to sell hardware by superb software
: and UX. Now, online service and cloud sync has become essential part of
: mobile platform, I would expect
: Apple to get the act together. iCloud could also serve as the backend for
: third-party apps for sync - which
: reflects Apple's vision on the future of computing, i.e., rich local client
: + seamless cloud sync. This is in
is
【在 j**h 的大作中提到】
: This is the actually the key point. It's not about internet, it's about
: business model. Google's core model is free
: service with ads (hence we are its product instead of customers). Apple's is
: to sell hardware by superb software
: and UX. Now, online service and cloud sync has become essential part of
: mobile platform, I would expect
: Apple to get the act together. iCloud could also serve as the backend for
: third-party apps for sync - which
: reflects Apple's vision on the future of computing, i.e., rich local client
: + seamless cloud sync. This is in
s*n
20 楼
Apple's vision on the future of computing, i.e., rich local client +
seamless cloud sync.
Is this the same thing MS did with its office live and live.com ?
Apple's is
【在 j**h 的大作中提到】
: This is the actually the key point. It's not about internet, it's about
: business model. Google's core model is free
: service with ads (hence we are its product instead of customers). Apple's is
: to sell hardware by superb software
: and UX. Now, online service and cloud sync has become essential part of
: mobile platform, I would expect
: Apple to get the act together. iCloud could also serve as the backend for
: third-party apps for sync - which
: reflects Apple's vision on the future of computing, i.e., rich local client
: + seamless cloud sync. This is in
seamless cloud sync.
Is this the same thing MS did with its office live and live.com ?
Apple's is
【在 j**h 的大作中提到】
: This is the actually the key point. It's not about internet, it's about
: business model. Google's core model is free
: service with ads (hence we are its product instead of customers). Apple's is
: to sell hardware by superb software
: and UX. Now, online service and cloud sync has become essential part of
: mobile platform, I would expect
: Apple to get the act together. iCloud could also serve as the backend for
: third-party apps for sync - which
: reflects Apple's vision on the future of computing, i.e., rich local client
: + seamless cloud sync. This is in
i*s
21 楼
等着我上市吧
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: 苹果只是打败了wintel 联盟
: 对google 还是个守势
: google对fb 也是紧追
: 对icloud 我没太大期望
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: 苹果只是打败了wintel 联盟
: 对google 还是个守势
: google对fb 也是紧追
: 对icloud 我没太大期望
j*h
22 楼
On the surface yes. But MS's office live is a defensive move to things like
Google Docs. Their core business is
still Windows + Office on PC. iCloud's main purpose is to sell more iPads/
iPhone. Office live would always be
a second class citizen in MS's ecosystem unless Windows mobile gains the
upper hand against Windows PC.
Another difference is the integration with OS and API. iCloud's sync is
combined with automatic saving and
versioning on iOS and Lion. And its API is open to third party apps. Office
live is not a OS level API.
Additionally, Office on PC is unlikely to have automatic version and saving
as default setting - that will upset
too many "enterprise" users who generally oppose major changes of workflow.
Fundamentally MS is unlikely to match Apple's offering, because (a) their
core business model is rigid and
conflicting (b) they are not really good at user experience integration.
See an interesting take on this from Jean-Louis Gassée: http://www.mondaynote.com/2011/06/12/icloud/
【在 s*********n 的大作中提到】
: Apple's vision on the future of computing, i.e., rich local client +
: seamless cloud sync.
: Is this the same thing MS did with its office live and live.com ?
:
: Apple's is
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