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可以推荐的个椅子吗?# Hardware - 计算机硬件
h*o
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Beida101, 您在讨论 80/20 发布的文本的下面这一段时认为他们是撒谎欺骗,
"哈佛大学年初时被教育部调查是否在录取上对亚裔有歧视之嫌,今年亚裔的录取率就
是近年来最高的,比往年增加了15%。"
想跟您请教一下。
首先,撒谎欺骗,对任何个人或团体都是一个非常严重的指控。是不是可以提供一下你
参考的资料,让别人印证一下?
其次,假定你讲的资料是事实,80/20 是资料有误,还是故意撒谎欺骗,这个都是有待
查证的。做这样的指控,是不是可以提供一下你的证据,让别人了解一下,80/20 确实
是在已经知道你所讲的这个“事实”的情况下,还故意撒谎欺骗?
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c*e
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比较舒服的
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B*1
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In furtherance of the above analysis regarding the listing of two facts
together: 1) investigation of Harvard; and 2) increased admission rate for
Asian Americans into Harvard, I did a little research.
The referenced investigation was reported on Feb. 2, 2012. However, more
importantly, on Feb. 17, 2012, the U.S. Department of Education has closed
its investigation into alleged discrimination against Asian Americans in
Harvard’s admissions policies following the withdrawal of the initial
complaint.
Considering that the initiation and the closure of this investigation were
separated by ONLY 15 days, it is highly unlikely that the author who picked
ONLY the initiation of the investigation ACCIDENTALLY missed the end of the
investigation. Rather, the author ignored this fact!
Now it becomes clear not only the so-call investigation has most likely no
effect on the admission rate for Asian Americans into Harvard, it also
points out that author is manipulating the facts to buttress the claim that
80-20 should be credited for the increased admission rate by pressing the
discrimination button!
Further, it is also odd for me to find that the linkage or relationship of
the two seemingly irrelevant events was ONLY mentioned in the Chinese
version of the propaganda materials used by 80-20. Why not present these
two so-called correlated or even causal events in the same sentence in
English? One possible reason lies in the fact, if the author did, he would
be facing a lawsuit from Harvard because he is defaming a prestigious, world
-class university. Consequently, it leads to another question: why the
author used the same linkage in the Chinese version? One possible reason is
that the author thought a Chinese reader is easier to be fooled than an
English reader. Moreover, even if a Chinese reader finds out this pathetic,
ill-devised, defamation attack on Harvard, the same Chinese reader would not
launch a lawsuit against the author!
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w*6
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Herman Miller Aero
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z*0
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80-20根本没有中文版的"号召书",所有他们的文宣只有英文版。你可以去他们网站
看看我说的是否准确。
http://www.80-20initiative.net/
Beida101所引用的话只是一个这里的帖子里楼主的话,根本不是80-20的说法,结果被
他挑出来找刺。他自己明白着呢,就是不肯承认。

【在 h**o 的大作中提到】
: Beida101, 您在讨论 80/20 发布的文本的下面这一段时认为他们是撒谎欺骗,
: "哈佛大学年初时被教育部调查是否在录取上对亚裔有歧视之嫌,今年亚裔的录取率就
: 是近年来最高的,比往年增加了15%。"
: 想跟您请教一下。
: 首先,撒谎欺骗,对任何个人或团体都是一个非常严重的指控。是不是可以提供一下你
: 参考的资料,让别人印证一下?
: 其次,假定你讲的资料是事实,80/20 是资料有误,还是故意撒谎欺骗,这个都是有待
: 查证的。做这样的指控,是不是可以提供一下你的证据,让别人了解一下,80/20 确实
: 是在已经知道你所讲的这个“事实”的情况下,还故意撒谎欺骗?

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c*e
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200以下的

【在 w********6 的大作中提到】
: Herman Miller Aero
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z*0
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这是80-20关于亚裔大学录取受歧视的文章。
原文链接在这里:http://www.80-20initiative.net/wordpress/?p=713
A 450 Point SAT Gap: Large Racial Preferences Hurt All College Applicants,
Including the Intended Beneficiaries
Posted on March 13, 2012 by 8020 initiative
Dear Fellow Asian Americans:
41,483 people have shown the courage of their conviction by taking the 80-20
EF Survey. We need 9,000 more votes to show the INTENSITY of your concerns.
A 50,000 total would impress the Supreme Court, as few issues in the US can
mobilize an equivalent 1 million people when projected to the general
population (of which Asian Americans are 5%) http://admin.80-20nj.info/cgi/80/e?l=8/11e/f&w=no
Send it across the finish line. YOU can do it by ensuring your spouse,
youths, parents, friends, and colleagues all VOTE. (Permanent residents and
citizens only)
Take the Survey NOW! Do Your Part to Improve our Destiny.
Is the racial preferences in college admission merely a “tie breaker”, a
“nudge factor”, and “one in many” consideration?
The “National Study of College Experience” (NSCE) project conducted over
9000 student interviews. Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade performed
rigorous regression analysis on the vast NSCE database and released the
empirical findings in his 2009 book [1], which was widely cited by the news
media: To receive equal consideration by elite colleges, Asian Americans
must outperform Whites by 140 points, Hispanics by 280 points, Blacks by 450
points in SAT (Total 1600). The result is not a simplistic test score
comparison: The differences have been controlled for other variables such as
sex, citizenship, athlete and legacy
status, # of AP tests and SAT II test, GPA, class rank, National merit
scholar status, and high school type.
We believe college admission policy should reflect the common American ideal
of Equal Opportunity, afforded to every individual through the “Equal
Protection Clause” in the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution. The
admission policy should not discriminate against any group of people for
innate collective characteristics, such as race and ethnicity, which an
individual can NOT change. Instead, it should be firmly based on individual
merit, which is to be broadly defined to include academic qualifications
necessary for successful college learning, and personal character strengths
such as perseverance, hardworking ethic, leadership skills, and individual
initiative to overcome adverse conditions, such as those imposed by
socioeconomic status.
Race, ethnicity and national origin ar daf e PROTECTED categories in the US
constitution, for good reasons. In a job interview, if you ask a candidate’
s race, you could be sued and your company could be investigated for racial
discrimination under the “Equal Protection Clause”. Why is college
admission so different? Not only the race question MUST be asked, you MUST
answer (or your last name would be Googled to determine your race), and your
answer MUST be used as the basis for differential treatment. Is this not
institutionalized reverse discrimination?
Furthermore, large racial preferences also hurt the intended beneficiaries.
It imposes an “academic mismatch” among the admitted students, reducing
the efficiency and quality of classroom instruction to all students, and
leading to academically weaker students to self-segregate into less
challenging classes, thereby reducing classroom diversity [2]. The US Civil
Right Commission issued a 2010 report about the disconcerting role of racial
preferences played in undermining minority graduation in science and
engineering programs [3]. In professions where universal qualification exams
are required, such as legal service, higher numbers of “racially preferred
” students entering the law schools did not lead to an increased numbers of
“racially preferred” lawyers because of the high attrition rate [4].
Large racial preferences were also found to hurt the minority pipeline to
academia [5].
It is time to do what every other developed nation does, which is NOT to
even ask the race question in college application.
Please join 80-20 TODAY. Go to http://www.8020initiative.net/membership/join.asp
Or send your check to: 80-20 PAC 13337 South St. #189 Cerritos, CA
90703. Family membership is $50 (two), individual $35, student $15.
Respectfully,
The 80-20 Collective Leadership
References
[1] "No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal: Race and Class in Elite College
Admission and Campus Life" by Thomas Espenshade (Princeton University Press,
2009)
[2] “The Role of Ethnicity in Choosing and Leaving Science in Highly
Selective Institutions”, R. Elliott et. al. 37 Research in Higher Education
681 (1996)
[3] “Encouraging Minority Students to Pursue Science, Technology,
Engineering and Math Careers”, US Commission on Civil Rights, Briefing
Report, Oct 2010.
[4] “Are Black/White Disparities in Graduation and Passing the Bar Getting
Worse, or Better?” by R. Sander. http://www.elsblog.org/the_empirical_legal_studi/2006/09/ sander_2_black_.html
[5] “The Occupational Choices of High-Achieving Minority Students” (
Harvard University Press 2003)

【在 h**o 的大作中提到】
: Beida101, 您在讨论 80/20 发布的文本的下面这一段时认为他们是撒谎欺骗,
: "哈佛大学年初时被教育部调查是否在录取上对亚裔有歧视之嫌,今年亚裔的录取率就
: 是近年来最高的,比往年增加了15%。"
: 想跟您请教一下。
: 首先,撒谎欺骗,对任何个人或团体都是一个非常严重的指控。是不是可以提供一下你
: 参考的资料,让别人印证一下?
: 其次,假定你讲的资料是事实,80/20 是资料有误,还是故意撒谎欺骗,这个都是有待
: 查证的。做这样的指控,是不是可以提供一下你的证据,让别人了解一下,80/20 确实
: 是在已经知道你所讲的这个“事实”的情况下,还故意撒谎欺骗?

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H*l
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500一下的都差不了太多。
直接上Herman Miller Aeron或者embody,用十年足够赚了。这东西上投入是对身体的保
护,比弄个好cpu有用多了

【在 c*****e 的大作中提到】
: 200以下的
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B*1
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主要发起组织80-20亚裔教育基金会向大家介绍了这篇文书的起草和递交的一些具体情
况:
“二月时,美国最高法院同意受理Fisher vs. University of Texas (德州大学) 关于
高校录取学生时把“族裔”作为考量之一这种做法是否违宪。事实上,因为亚裔家庭一
般很重视孩子的教育,所以亚裔孩子普遍比较优秀。于是许多名校一看考生是亚裔就人
为地增高了录取门槛。例如要入同一所名校,亚裔录取生的SAT要比西裔和非裔高三,
四百分。
“80-20基金会今年三月时组织了一个美籍亚裔的民调来考量亚裔是否支持法院来取消
这对亚裔实则有反向歧视的‘族裔优先’的高校录取政策。在一个月左右的时间,我们
争取到了五万签名。其中四万七千有效的美籍亚裔签名里,支持和反对高校取消“族裔
考量”录取政策的比例高达52.4比1。这个数据清清楚楚地表达了亚裔的民意。
“在美国,很多组织都会通过递交‘法律之友’的文件来影响法院在案件上的裁决。在
民调结果的基础上,我们雇了一位和最高法院有过多次成功办案经验的宪法专家犹太律
师来帮我们起草和递交了这份‘法律之友’的文书, 并与Fisher 的律师团合作将亚裔
学生的处境做为推翻2003 Grutter 案例的主要证据之一。这篇‘法律之友’用数据说
明了亚裔学生进入名校的高门槛,也类比了百年前藤校对犹太学生的录取限制和今天名
校对亚裔的限制实际上是如出一辙。我们也找到了三个全美最大的美籍印度裔组织和一
个知名的犹太人权组织来和我们联合递交这份文书。(我们希望这个类比能帮助最高法
院九名大法官中的两位犹太法官更好地理解到我们亚裔考生现在的处境。)
“通过这个案子,我们有可能性限制或推翻高校录取的种族考量政策,不过要取得胜利
是很困难的:德州大学已经花了近百万元聘请了一个很大的 (2000人)律师事务所来
代表他们。他们一定也会号召协调许多组织来发代表学校利益的‘法律之友’。目前已
有五个亚裔组织公开表示他们会递交‘法律之友’坚决支持学校来维持这个实际上对亚
裔录取不利的现状, 更有许多其他亚裔组织在观望。很多亚裔组织因为自己资金来源
等复杂原因而不愿意代表真正的民意来维护我们孩子上理想大学的合理权益表示遗憾。”
亲爱的朋友,周末的时候,我去参加了儿子的钢琴汇报演出。他们那场的21个学生几乎
都是亚裔小朋友,颁奖的时候孩子们几乎也都考上了级。虎妈和财爸们,请问送娃学钢
琴的Return on Investment是多少呢?我先生帮哈佛做录取面试时,发现70%的小中娃
都是钢琴十级,所以大家辛苦供孩子学钢琴的ROI从爬藤的意义来讲其实是小的可怜的
。然而在这个案子上,你的投入应当是有回报的。哈佛大学年初时被教育部调查是否在
录取上对亚裔有歧视之嫌,今年亚裔的录取率就是近年来最高的,比往年增加了15%。
请问当你的孩子或孩子的孩子以后在上大学时,你是否可以自豪地告诉他说, ‘我在帮
你入理想的学校时尽了我的力量呢?”除了80-20,还有哪个组织愿意挑头为大家做这
件事儿呢。如果大家都不吭气,那些支持学校的亚裔组织就已经理直气壮地代表了我们
。如果您愿意支持80-20在这次的努力,请考虑和我一样,花一堂钢琴课的钱支持80-20
促进会(http://www.80-20initiative.net/),
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b*t
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Herman miller不行,根本不舒服

的保

【在 H****l 的大作中提到】
: 500一下的都差不了太多。
: 直接上Herman Miller Aeron或者embody,用十年足够赚了。这东西上投入是对身体的保
: 护,比弄个好cpu有用多了

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z*0
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请你给个链接证明这是80-20正式的宣传资料。

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: 主要发起组织80-20亚裔教育基金会向大家介绍了这篇文书的起草和递交的一些具体情
: 况:
: “二月时,美国最高法院同意受理Fisher vs. University of Texas (德州大学) 关于
: 高校录取学生时把“族裔”作为考量之一这种做法是否违宪。事实上,因为亚裔家庭一
: 般很重视孩子的教育,所以亚裔孩子普遍比较优秀。于是许多名校一看考生是亚裔就人
: 为地增高了录取门槛。例如要入同一所名校,亚裔录取生的SAT要比西裔和非裔高三,
: 四百分。
: “80-20基金会今年三月时组织了一个美籍亚裔的民调来考量亚裔是否支持法院来取消
: 这对亚裔实则有反向歧视的‘族裔优先’的高校录取政策。在一个月左右的时间,我们
: 争取到了五万签名。其中四万七千有效的美籍亚裔签名里,支持和反对高校取消“族裔

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y*i
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1 Herman Miller. 这玩意确实舒服,一天十小时没问题,尤其是夏天男的。以前的公
司和家里都是,现在的公司不是,这差别很大。hm不仅舒服,而且特别结实,用个十年
基本看不出啥,做工非常好。


: Herman Miller Aero



【在 w********6 的大作中提到】
: Herman Miller Aero
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h*o
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首先,多谢你提供这个资料。如果能够直接注明一下这个出处,就更方便读者了。不过
我已经根据你提供的文字找到:
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2012/2/17/admissions-departme
不过,我还是要说,如果没有真凭实据,而只是认为 highly unlikely 他们不知道这
个资料,就做这样一个非常严重的指控,是不够严谨和负责的。
第二,对哈佛的这个调查(Investigation),是否促使哈佛对于招生的政策作了改变
,并无实际的证据。大家所知道的,只有一个结论。事实上是比例改变了。因为这项调
查在前,比例在后不久,是不是也可以说,highly likely 哈佛因为感受到了来到华裔
社区的压力,做了某种表示,改变了比例(尽管调查在仅十五天后就中止)?
第三,我自己不知道为什么,也经常收到 80-20 的邮件(我目前不是会员,也未捐过
款)。80-20 的邮件中,从来都只有英文。他们的网站上,貌似也只有英文。不知道您
有未查证过,这个中文版的来源是什么?谁应该为这个内容负责?
第四,80-20 的那篇原文发在 5 月 21 日:
http://www.8020politicalpower.blogspot.com/2012/05/battles-have
原文有关哈佛这一段是这样写的:
[D] A Silver Lining?
When we begin to fight for ourselves, others may then help as seen in [A
] & [B] above. Others may even respond positively. See below:
A possible exam 5ba6 ple is a 15% increase in Harvard's offer to AsAm
students THIS year (class of 2016) as compared with the past 5 years. See
below:
我有点看不太明白,不过不太象是 80-20 在声称他们的行动直接导致哈佛大学提高了
2012 亚裔升学率,不象是 claim credit。这个您是不是可以评论一下?

picked

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: In furtherance of the above analysis regarding the listing of two facts
: together: 1) investigation of Harvard; and 2) increased admission rate for
: Asian Americans into Harvard, I did a little research.
: The referenced investigation was reported on Feb. 2, 2012. However, more
: importantly, on Feb. 17, 2012, the U.S. Department of Education has closed
: its investigation into alleged discrimination against Asian Americans in
: Harvard’s admissions policies following the withdrawal of the initial
: complaint.
: Considering that the initiation and the closure of this investigation were
: separated by ONLY 15 days, it is highly unlikely that the author who picked

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n*w
14
猫爱不爱抓?

【在 y***i 的大作中提到】
: 1 Herman Miller. 这玩意确实舒服,一天十小时没问题,尤其是夏天男的。以前的公
: 司和家里都是,现在的公司不是,这差别很大。hm不仅舒服,而且特别结实,用个十年
: 基本看不出啥,做工非常好。
:
:
: Herman Miller Aero
:

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B*1
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What they did was just like I said: cover their XXX in English, but fool
Chinese in Chinese.

【在 h**o 的大作中提到】
: 首先,多谢你提供这个资料。如果能够直接注明一下这个出处,就更方便读者了。不过
: 我已经根据你提供的文字找到:
: http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2012/2/17/admissions-departme
: 不过,我还是要说,如果没有真凭实据,而只是认为 highly unlikely 他们不知道这
: 个资料,就做这样一个非常严重的指控,是不够严谨和负责的。
: 第二,对哈佛的这个调查(Investigation),是否促使哈佛对于招生的政策作了改变
: ,并无实际的证据。大家所知道的,只有一个结论。事实上是比例改变了。因为这项调
: 查在前,比例在后不久,是不是也可以说,highly likely 哈佛因为感受到了来到华裔
: 社区的压力,做了某种表示,改变了比例(尽管调查在仅十五天后就中止)?
: 第三,我自己不知道为什么,也经常收到 80-20 的邮件(我目前不是会员,也未捐过

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p*e
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这个问题嘛,取决你与你家猫,似乎和椅子没关系吧,哈哈

【在 n*w 的大作中提到】
: 猫爱不爱抓?
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z*0
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你不用问他,我早就问过。
他没有证据,可就是一口咬定80-20撒谎欺骗.

【在 h**o 的大作中提到】
: 首先,多谢你提供这个资料。如果能够直接注明一下这个出处,就更方便读者了。不过
: 我已经根据你提供的文字找到:
: http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2012/2/17/admissions-departme
: 不过,我还是要说,如果没有真凭实据,而只是认为 highly unlikely 他们不知道这
: 个资料,就做这样一个非常严重的指控,是不够严谨和负责的。
: 第二,对哈佛的这个调查(Investigation),是否促使哈佛对于招生的政策作了改变
: ,并无实际的证据。大家所知道的,只有一个结论。事实上是比例改变了。因为这项调
: 查在前,比例在后不久,是不是也可以说,highly likely 哈佛因为感受到了来到华裔
: 社区的压力,做了某种表示,改变了比例(尽管调查在仅十五天后就中止)?
: 第三,我自己不知道为什么,也经常收到 80-20 的邮件(我目前不是会员,也未捐过

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c*e
18
为啥这货这么贵

的保

【在 H****l 的大作中提到】
: 500一下的都差不了太多。
: 直接上Herman Miller Aeron或者embody,用十年足够赚了。这东西上投入是对身体的保
: 护,比弄个好cpu有用多了

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s*y
19
Chinese又被您老代表了。。。

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: What they did was just like I said: cover their XXX in English, but fool
: Chinese in Chinese.

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B*1
20
Okay, then: TRY to fool Chinese in Chinese.

【在 s*y 的大作中提到】
: Chinese又被您老代表了。。。
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h*o
21
那么,我可不可以问一下,您确实是在 80-20 的网站上看到这个中文版本么?如果是
的话,可不可以提供一下连接,因为我实在是找不到。如果是在别的地方看到这个中文
版本,可不可以也讲一下,为什么能够确认是 80-20 的人发布这个中文版本?

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: What they did was just like I said: cover their XXX in English, but fool
: Chinese in Chinese.

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s*y
22
严格来说,您老只能claim“TRY to fool Beida101 in Chinese”

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: Okay, then: TRY to fool Chinese in Chinese.
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B*1
23
Unfortunately, the post did not address ONLY my ID.


【在 s*y 的大作中提到】
: 严格来说,您老只能claim“TRY to fool Beida101 in Chinese”
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h*o
24
各位同学,可不可以不要歪楼,让我能好好请教 Beida101 ?
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c*z
26
Quote:
Considering that the initiation and the closure of this investigation were
separated by ONLY 15 days, it is highly unlikely that the author who picked
ONLY the initiation of the investigation ACCIDENTALLY missed the end of the
investigation. Rather, the author ignored this fact!
End Quote.
How do you know that? Are you a law major?
Once a rental office owed me deposit and refused to refund me. I had a
lawyer sent a letter asking for it.
The next day, I had it.
I didn't sue the rental office, it is the threat that forced them to
cooperate.
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f*l
27
你引用的这个帖子里引号里面才是80-20的材料,引号外面(含哈佛录取率增加15%这段
)是帖子作者的话。你太激动了导致阅读理解出现问题。
引用帖子的作者的先生帮哈佛做录取面试,所以有可能有些内部消息来源,15%也许不
是空穴来风。
帖子原文:【我先生帮哈佛做录取面试时,发现70%的小中娃都是钢琴十级,所以大家
辛苦供孩子学钢琴的ROI从爬藤的意义来讲其实是小的可怜的。然而在这个案子上,你
的投入应当是有回报的。哈佛大学年初时被教育部调查是否在录取上对亚裔有歧视之嫌
,今年亚裔的录取率就是近年来最高的,比往年增加了15%。】

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Parenting/31921671.html
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y*i
29
本版潜规则:不可以质疑Beida101的任何言论和行为方式,否则就是政治不正确。
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h*o
30
不是这样吧,不然这个贴早要被删了

【在 y****i 的大作中提到】
: 本版潜规则:不可以质疑Beida101的任何言论和行为方式,否则就是政治不正确。
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p*7
31
You should feel shamed to be a Beida member or you may stop using the ID.
Please do something to help not just sit there criticizing.
Critical thining is good but it does not work the way that you are doing.
Thanks!
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