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p*o2012-05-15 07:05

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今天和recruiter聊了一下on-site的安排，她给了三个组让我选：Software Engineer,
Software Engineer/SRE, 和 Software Deployment Engineer。从兴趣讲我个人的第
一选择是SDE，然后是SRE, 最后是SWE。SDE的职位我本来不知道（我只看了google在我
们本地的openning），今天电面我的engineer是这个组的，他给recruiter建议我去这
个组。但是SDE要去google总部，而另两个职位我家附近就有。如果选SDE，就可能要跟
家人分开一阵。
我是纯理科千老，没有很强的CS背景，虽然用Linux系统很多年，但对系统深层结构还
不是很了解。如果选择SRE的话，面试的时候是不是有可能因为答不上系统问题影响最
终成绩？
SWE我觉得可能面试的问题我会应付的好一点，但是竞争是不是相对大一些？另外两个
组都需要额外的skill set，可能qualified的人会相对少一些。
如果仅仅从拿到offer的角度讲，我应该选哪个组去面试？希望有经验的给些建议。

w*x2012-05-15 07:05

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啥区别??????????

p*o2012-05-15 07:05

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我的问题基本就是三个组的面试有啥区别？我自己猜SRE会问一些我不太懂的系统问题
，想问问去G面试过的人是不是这样。

【在 w****x 的大作中提到】

: 啥区别??????????

h*s2012-05-15 07:05

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sre swe和sde有啥区别？
分别是什么的缩写啊

Engineer,

【在 p*****o 的大作中提到】

: 今天和recruiter聊了一下on-site的安排，她给了三个组让我选：Software Engineer,
: Software Engineer/SRE, 和 Software Deployment Engineer。从兴趣讲我个人的第
: 一选择是SDE，然后是SRE, 最后是SWE。SDE的职位我本来不知道（我只看了google在我
: 们本地的openning），今天电面我的engineer是这个组的，他给recruiter建议我去这
: 个组。但是SDE要去google总部，而另两个职位我家附近就有。如果选SDE，就可能要跟
: 家人分开一阵。
: 我是纯理科千老，没有很强的CS背景，虽然用Linux系统很多年，但对系统深层结构还
: 不是很了解。如果选择SRE的话，面试的时候是不是有可能因为答不上系统问题影响最
: 终成绩？
: SWE我觉得可能面试的问题我会应付的好一点，但是竞争是不是相对大一些？另外两个

p*o2012-05-15 07:05

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SRE = Software Engineer in the Site Reliability Engineering team, partly
software engineer duty, partly google.com site reliability duty;
SDE = Software Deployment Engineer, overseeing the deployment of software at
google.com;
SWE = traditional Software Engineer.

【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】

: sre swe和sde有啥区别？
: 分别是什么的缩写啊
:
: Engineer,

m*p2012-05-15 07:05

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sde = software design engineer??

at

【在 p*****o 的大作中提到】

: SRE = Software Engineer in the Site Reliability Engineering team, partly
: software engineer duty, partly google.com site reliability duty;
: SDE = Software Deployment Engineer, overseeing the deployment of software at
: google.com;
: SWE = traditional Software Engineer.

z*42012-05-15 07:05

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developing

【在 m*p 的大作中提到】

: sde = software design engineer??
:
: at

p*o2012-05-15 07:05

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都不是，就是deployment。

【在 z****4 的大作中提到】

: developing

g*y2012-05-15 07:05

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site reliability和deployment，有点太偏实际，你真的会喜欢吗？我碰到过这种工
程师，据说平时都不太用coding，主要管实际的调度。个人以为这种方向很窄，将来不
是很好换工作。

at

【在 p*****o 的大作中提到】

m*p2012-05-15 07:05

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deployment is just one step of the software engineering process. i don't
understand why goog named those engineers this way. do they deploy a lot to
production?

【在 p*****o 的大作中提到】

: 都不是，就是deployment。

p*o2012-05-15 07:05

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Recruiter 给我说site reliability适合我的职位是以software engineering 为主，
和系统维护大概各50%。 Deployment我专门问她是不是QA，她说不是，大约60%-70%的
时间做code developing。
不过谢谢你的意见，如果真的是以系统维护为主我肯定不会喜欢的。我喜欢这两个职位
主要是都以se为主，但是又可以学到不同的东西，工作上也可以有些不同的职责调剂。

【在 g**********y 的大作中提到】

: site reliability和deployment，有点太偏实际，你真的会喜欢吗？我碰到过这种工
: 程师，据说平时都不太用coding，主要管实际的调度。个人以为这种方向很窄，将来不
: 是很好换工作。
:
: at

p*o2012-05-15 07:05

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It's a small team. Here is an excerpt from the job description:
Google.com engineers are expert coders with a strong understanding of
algorithms and data structures. In the Google.com Deployment role you will
create configuration tools that help Google engineers launch ground-breaking
new products and features to millions of users worldwide while ensuring a
high level of scalability, uptime, and responsiveness in every product.
All team members must have strong analytical and troubleshooting skills,
fluency in coding, good communication skills, and most of all enthusiasm for
tackling the complex problems of scale which are uniquely Google. We tackle
challenging, novel situations every day, and work with just about every
other engineering and operations team at Google in the process.

to

【在 m*p 的大作中提到】

: deployment is just one step of the software engineering process. i don't
: understand why goog named those engineers this way. do they deploy a lot to
: production?

h*e2012-05-15 07:05

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你做过SDE的活吗？如果做过又感兴趣的话，可以面这个。如果
没有做过的话，我觉得这类活和SRE差不多，挺繁琐的，系统有了
什么问题要有很强的trouble-shooting的能力，编程而言可能
以scripting为主吧，应该不太需要系统编程的。我觉得可能还要带
pager。
SWE的活就比较传统。

m*p2012-05-15 07:05

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so, that the QA job at Amazon, and similar to SDET at bing.

breaking
for
tackle

【在 p*****o 的大作中提到】

: It's a small team. Here is an excerpt from the job description:
: Google.com engineers are expert coders with a strong understanding of
: algorithms and data structures. In the Google.com Deployment role you will
: create configuration tools that help Google engineers launch ground-breaking
: new products and features to millions of users worldwide while ensuring a
: high level of scalability, uptime, and responsiveness in every product.
: All team members must have strong analytical and troubleshooting skills,
: fluency in coding, good communication skills, and most of all enthusiasm for
: tackling the complex problems of scale which are uniquely Google. We tackle
: challenging, novel situations every day, and work with just about every

p*o2012-05-15 07:05

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多谢。这是我第一次找industrial工作，基本没什么概念。所有知识都是从recruiter
那里来的。这两个职位都有on call duty。
SDE应该是以scripting为主，面我的工程师想让我去的一个原因是因为我会python。
看来还是传统的se现在比较适合我，第一份工参与一些完整的project 可能更好一些。

【在 h****e 的大作中提到】

: 你做过SDE的活吗？如果做过又感兴趣的话，可以面这个。如果
: 没有做过的话，我觉得这类活和SRE差不多，挺繁琐的，系统有了
: 什么问题要有很强的trouble-shooting的能力，编程而言可能
: 以scripting为主吧，应该不太需要系统编程的。我觉得可能还要带
: pager。
: SWE的活就比较传统。

p*o2012-05-15 07:05

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Thanks. does this involve a lot of development? or it's mostly debugging?
The recruiter assures me that much coding will be involved. I'm just not
sure.

【在 m*p 的大作中提到】

: so, that the QA job at Amazon, and similar to SDET at bing.
:
: breaking
: for
: tackle

m*p2012-05-15 07:05

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i've been involved in some serious platform backend deployment projects that
have 50K+ users. most of your time is spent on parsing the log, using
scripting.
well, lots of creativity is required too coz the log is TB/day.

【在 p*****o 的大作中提到】

: Thanks. does this involve a lot of development? or it's mostly debugging?
: The recruiter assures me that much coding will be involved. I'm just not
: sure.

p*o2012-05-15 07:05

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Thanks a lot for this info. It seems more so that I should stay with
traditional SE. I love scripting, but I don't want it to be the major part
of my job.

that

【在 m*p 的大作中提到】

: i've been involved in some serious platform backend deployment projects that
: have 50K+ users. most of your time is spent on parsing the log, using
: scripting.
: well, lots of creativity is required too coz the log is TB/day.

l*s2012-05-15 07:05

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大多数it公司都有专门的deployment部门的，版本控制，change control等等。

to

【在 m*p 的大作中提到】

: deployment is just one step of the software engineering process. i don't
: understand why goog named those engineers this way. do they deploy a lot to
: production?

q*s2012-05-15 07:05

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No offense. I dont know much of difference either, but I could share one of
my friends' experience with you. He failed an interview of SE at Google, but
they eventually gave him a SRE offer anyway.