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d*y2003-12-03 08:12

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I'm doing my first year Ph.D.in bioscience, and am really interested in JD(IP
field). I'm just wondering which route/path is better, apply to law school
after I got Msc or Ph.D.
I know biothech is such a sophisticated field that need person have both
Ph.D.and JD, but it will take a long long time to get these two "doctor", and
nobody can predict what the patent law job market looks like after 7 or 8
years. On the other side, I have no idea whether it's be possible to find a
job with only Msc+JD

l*y2003-12-03 08:12

2 楼

bio的Ph.D先拿了，如果是名校的话
然后找一个bio的工作，工作期间把patent bar考过
然后联系firm做相关工作
然后如果公司愿意给你出学费，那么好读JD
如果公司不愿意，或者你觉得对这个不感兴趣，那么作罢
名校的Bio Ph.D就是你最重要的edge，获取相关工作经验的
key
JD不JD的没啥希奇

【在 d***y 的大作中提到】

: I'm doing my first year Ph.D.in bioscience, and am really interested in JD(IP
: field). I'm just wondering which route/path is better, apply to law school
: after I got Msc or Ph.D.
: I know biothech is such a sophisticated field that need person have both
: Ph.D.and JD, but it will take a long long time to get these two "doctor", and
: nobody can predict what the patent law job market looks like after 7 or 8
: years. On the other side, I have no idea whether it's be possible to find a
: job with only Msc+JD

d*y2003-12-03 08:12

3 楼

刚才发错了，再发
谢谢你回复
说的有道理，我也看到有professor做patent相关的，
可惜我在个2nd tier的学校里，怕是难走这路。
我还是比较关注JD回国的，只是不清楚情况，现在国内有JD的太少了。
虽然国内基
本没有正儿八经做IP，但我总感觉几年后会好起来把
你觉得呢
还有看你说话，好像你感觉读JD经济成本投入太高的？

JD(IP
and
a
two
give me

【在 l*****y 的大作中提到】

: bio的Ph.D先拿了，如果是名校的话
: 然后找一个bio的工作，工作期间把patent bar考过
: 然后联系firm做相关工作
: 然后如果公司愿意给你出学费，那么好读JD
: 如果公司不愿意，或者你觉得对这个不感兴趣，那么作罢
: 名校的Bio Ph.D就是你最重要的edge，获取相关工作经验的
: key
: JD不JD的没啥希奇

o*e2003-12-03 08:12

4 楼

What Uturn said is very true. most bio patents are filed by bio PhDs, this
requires the drafter to be on the same level of understanding as the
inventors.
another thing is you need to time and guage the market -- 5 year PhD + 3 year
JD, that's 8 years. imagine every year 10% of bio PhDs turn into patent
lawyers, how much room is left after 8 years? how big will the bio industry
be? will there be significantly more investment in this sector or is it going
to stay the same? these are hard que

l*e2003-12-03 08:12

5 楼

What's your interest? law or money? If you are only interested in money, why
not launch a small business? If law is your interest, please go back to china
to improve current legal system in China. A nation with law consciousness will
be more hopeful than that with "officals premise". Good luck

year
going
but
。
所
做I

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】

: What Uturn said is very true. most bio patents are filed by bio PhDs, this
: requires the drafter to be on the same level of understanding as the
: inventors.
: another thing is you need to time and guage the market -- 5 year PhD + 3 year
: JD, that's 8 years. imagine every year 10% of bio PhDs turn into patent
: lawyers, how much room is left after 8 years? how big will the bio industry
: be? will there be significantly more investment in this sector or is it going
: to stay the same? these are hard que

l*y2003-12-03 08:12

6 楼

对，JD回国的虽然这几年多起来了
但是绝对数目还是少
但是更加重要的是国内需求更加少
什么转专业读JD的，就不要想啥回国了，没有太大用处的。
一般都是国内法律本科出来的，在国内的外国所有过经验的
出来读LLM，甚至JD的，回去还有些希望获得发展。
这个是一手的fact，不是啥传言
所以前面的讨论和其他啥地方的信息都表明
要做IP最早获得工作经验越好，但是Ph.D是一个必要条件
是你最重要的专长
而且现在涌入JD的Bio Ph.D也很多了，所以几年之后市场还会不会像目前这样
很难说
而且不太明白JD为啥对你有吸引力？基本都是一个体力活，按照工作小时来平均
其实钱也不多，尤其是要预先投入个几十万RMB的说。

l*y2003-12-03 08:12

7 楼

vely true!

【在 l*********e 的大作中提到】

: What's your interest? law or money? If you are only interested in money, why
: not launch a small business? If law is your interest, please go back to china
: to improve current legal system in China. A nation with law consciousness will
: be more hopeful than that with "officals premise". Good luck
:
: year
: going
: but
: 。
: 所

l*y2003-12-03 08:12

8 楼

Bio盛产Ph.D，呵呵
总之otheme说的很对
你现在如果已经要毕业了，那么当前的任务不是去读什么JD
而是尽快的找到Bio 相关的工作，考Patent bar
获取经验
等你对这个行业了解多了，甚至有实际经验了，再来决定是否读JD

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】

i*y2003-12-03 08:12

9 楼

Even if you are a science student seriously considering law school, it's
really not necessary to restrict yourself to IP before you actually get into
law school.
There are so many interesting practice areas out there that you probably could
never think about ever before you are sitting in the law school classroom.
Don't lament that you have "wasted time" on your science study - what you have
learned is learned. The skills accumulated throughout your study will always
come along with you in a lif

【在 l*****y 的大作中提到】

: 对，JD回国的虽然这几年多起来了
: 但是绝对数目还是少
: 但是更加重要的是国内需求更加少
: 什么转专业读JD的，就不要想啥回国了，没有太大用处的。
: 一般都是国内法律本科出来的，在国内的外国所有过经验的
: 出来读LLM，甚至JD的，回去还有些希望获得发展。
: 这个是一手的fact，不是啥传言
: 所以前面的讨论和其他啥地方的信息都表明
: 要做IP最早获得工作经验越好，但是Ph.D是一个必要条件
: 是你最重要的专长

o*e2003-12-03 08:12

10 楼

hoho, bio PhDs are usually at the bottom of the food chain, regardless of
school ranking. typically they have to do 2-3 years of postdoc before landing
a half decend job. lawyering, compared with bio research, is not a 'labor
task' at all. the industry standard starting salary of 125k for IP associates
would be unimaginable for bio PhDs, and the long working hours for them is
really nothing, cause they are used to staying in the lab 48 hours straight :)
bio phds are typically smart, hardworki

o*e2003-12-03 08:12

11 楼

any work is hard labor if one wants to be good at what he does, my personal
measure is $/hr. a managing partner of a big firm works no less than a 1st yr
associate, but he probably would not complain about the working hours.
and, compared to my 1L experience so far, IP work is so much better - not too
much social burden, staying on top of the latest technologies, the law is less
uncertain, money is good, market barrier is high, and, very importantly, the
firms take you as their asset and want yo

【在 i******y 的大作中提到】

: Even if you are a science student seriously considering law school, it's
: really not necessary to restrict yourself to IP before you actually get into
: law school.
: There are so many interesting practice areas out there that you probably could
: never think about ever before you are sitting in the law school classroom.
: Don't lament that you have "wasted time" on your science study - what you have
: learned is learned. The skills accumulated throughout your study will always
: come along with you in a lif

l*y2003-12-03 08:12

12 楼

这个有道理，bio的确在生物链的底部
pay的太低
但是，如果就是钱的话，有不少其他专业
要比Law好的，而且有的甚至和Bio有那么些相关性
尤其是机会成本不是那么高
我的观点主要在此
如果真的对law感兴趣，那么就是另外一回事情了
但是没有真正从事过law的相关工作之前，所以的兴趣其实都是illusion
很脆弱的

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】

: hoho, bio PhDs are usually at the bottom of the food chain, regardless of
: school ranking. typically they have to do 2-3 years of postdoc before landing
: a half decend job. lawyering, compared with bio research, is not a 'labor
: task' at all. the industry standard starting salary of 125k for IP associates
: would be unimaginable for bio PhDs, and the long working hours for them is
: really nothing, cause they are used to staying in the lab 48 hours straight :)
: bio phds are typically smart, hardworki

m*d2003-12-03 08:12

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I don't where you got your story from, but many bio phds that I knew or heard
of get into very nice companies with big bucks. Only if you want to be
faculty, you go to do a posdoc. Otherwise, it is harder for a 2-3 years
postdoc to find a job in industry.

landing
associates
是REQUIREMENT
国

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a*a2003-12-03 08:12

14 楼

You're kidding, 20k-30k, as far as I know, under 32K per year for a PhD is below
the required payment.
Also, many faculty positions pay very well too. My boss gets 150K, that is 10
month, 1 month a year vacation with pay. Also no one cares how long you work
every week after you get tenure.

【在 m****d 的大作中提到】

: I don't where you got your story from, but many bio phds that I knew or heard
: of get into very nice companies with big bucks. Only if you want to be
: faculty, you go to do a posdoc. Otherwise, it is harder for a 2-3 years
: postdoc to find a job in industry.
:
: landing
: associates
: 是REQUIREMENT
: 国

m*d2003-12-03 08:12

15 楼

It really depends which kind of company you go to. A person I know went to a
pharmaceutical company with a salary about $75K. A friend of mine went to a
biotech company for an intern this summer. She got paid well.
I guess your boss must be very senior. It is not easy for a professor to earn
150K. It is a lot of work to be a professor. My boss always complains to me
that professors are under paid :)

below
10
heard
of
'labor
is
straight
from
go.
get a
that

【在 a***a 的大作中提到】

: You're kidding, 20k-30k, as far as I know, under 32K per year for a PhD is below
: the required payment.
: Also, many faculty positions pay very well too. My boss gets 150K, that is 10
: month, 1 month a year vacation with pay. Also no one cares how long you work
: every week after you get tenure.

a*a2003-12-03 08:12

16 楼

In my department, assistant professors get 45-60K a year, 3-6 years later, get
tenure, 80K-100K, then it really depends. Some get full professor in 1 year,
others never. Full professors get paid >120K, title professors even higher. If
you get connections from industry, the companies pay above 100K a year in addition.
At any rate, there is 5-10% increase in salaries almost every year.
But I know we are among the best paid universities. From what I heard of other
schools, it is not too bad especia

【在 m****d 的大作中提到】

: It really depends which kind of company you go to. A person I know went to a
: pharmaceutical company with a salary about $75K. A friend of mine went to a
: biotech company for an intern this summer. She got paid well.
: I guess your boss must be very senior. It is not easy for a professor to earn
: 150K. It is a lot of work to be a professor. My boss always complains to me
: that professors are under paid :)
:
: below
: 10
: heard

m*d2003-12-03 08:12

17 楼

Professors in medical school are VERY rich.

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me

【在 a***a 的大作中提到】

: In my department, assistant professors get 45-60K a year, 3-6 years later, get
: tenure, 80K-100K, then it really depends. Some get full professor in 1 year,
: others never. Full professors get paid >120K, title professors even higher. If
: you get connections from industry, the companies pay above 100K a year in addition.
: At any rate, there is 5-10% increase in salaries almost every year.
: But I know we are among the best paid universities. From what I heard of other
: schools, it is not too bad especia