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l*r2004-01-18 08:01

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_____________________________________________
Digression:
Hehe, I missed this intense discussion a couple of months ago.
"当然是了。。Re: 感觉这里不太友好"
I have a classmate who changed major to EE PhD. He told me chief engineers
would make 200K. It certainly depends on major and market. Most professors in
our biochemistry department make between 120K to 150K, which is close to what
a starting associate in a top100 firm makes in big cities. But if they are
lucky enough to invent something and sell it, they c

p*i2004-01-18 08:01

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ft, so long and in english...

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: _____________________________________________
: Digression:
: Hehe, I missed this intense discussion a couple of months ago.
: "当然是了。。Re: 感觉这里不太友好"
: I have a classmate who changed major to EE PhD. He told me chief engineers
: would make 200K. It certainly depends on major and market. Most professors in
: our biochemistry department make between 120K to 150K, which is close to what
: a starting associate in a top100 firm makes in big cities. But if they are
: lucky enough to invent something and sell it, they c

l*r2004-01-18 08:01

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呵呵，中文输入的速度实在太慢，一个是还在用老古董NJSTAR的全拼，另一个是小学老师
把平卷舌彻底给教糊涂了。在这个BBS写的最长的中文帖子，还是最近在宝宝版写的“宝
宝出生记”---有动力啊:)
这首飘来飘去的罗大佑的歌有一次几乎让我在高速上睡着:(
老兄你还挺游刃有余的。我的一个对我很帮忙的工作了三年的师兄，为了那1950的billab
le hours,每天工作12个小时，他老婆也和他一样在另一firm工作，想来他这种情况不会
有时间来BBS。所以我猜你要么工作体系不一样，要么还是赤条条来去无牵挂:)
资本主义制度那么完善，来美国又晚，还只有学习的经验，想致富不容易啊。想想以前实
验室里的一个老technician说的：If you invent something, you will get rich. 发明
创造而致富的观念真是深入人心啊。这回interview的时候recruiter还问为什么不stay
in science and invent something,只好尽量不卑不亢的应付了过去。
做什么都不是那么容易的，尽管看起来好象很容易。
Partner还是Profe

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: ft, so long and in english...

o*e2004-01-18 08:01

4 楼

hoho, you have already shown more motivation and power of will than most
people here.
this thread is actually showing up on mitbbs's front page, there must be a lot
of PhDs thinking about career change :)

师
宝
老兄你还挺游刃有余的。我的一个对我很帮忙的工作了三年的师兄，为了那1950的billab
会
实
明

【在 l**********r 的大作中提到】

: 呵呵，中文输入的速度实在太慢，一个是还在用老古董NJSTAR的全拼，另一个是小学老师
: 把平卷舌彻底给教糊涂了。在这个BBS写的最长的中文帖子，还是最近在宝宝版写的“宝
: 宝出生记”---有动力啊:)
: 这首飘来飘去的罗大佑的歌有一次几乎让我在高速上睡着:(
: 老兄你还挺游刃有余的。我的一个对我很帮忙的工作了三年的师兄，为了那1950的billab
: le hours,每天工作12个小时，他老婆也和他一样在另一firm工作，想来他这种情况不会
: 有时间来BBS。所以我猜你要么工作体系不一样，要么还是赤条条来去无牵挂:)
: 资本主义制度那么完善，来美国又晚，还只有学习的经验，想致富不容易啊。想想以前实
: 验室里的一个老technician说的：If you invent something, you will get rich. 发明
: 创造而致富的观念真是深入人心啊。这回interview的时候recruiter还问为什么不stay

g*p2004-01-18 08:01

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This is the most exciting post I have seen here on MITbbs for long time. It
talks about something that really concerned by lots of people. Lots of
Chinese students who come from China have the same experience. Career change!
It sounds easy, but after you have done it. It is so hard. Basically
whatever is hot, whatever is easy to find a job. Chinese students would
transfer to that. Among them, there are good ones, or so-so ones. Good
experiences, bad experiences. After all who can we bla

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p*i2004-01-18 08:01

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en, a couple of possibilities: inhouser/laid-off/senior partner (like warren).
hiahia
1950 hours are a lot. normally only nyc firms are that greedy

会

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a*a2004-01-18 08:01

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Not true. I know a patent lawyer in Boston. She started in 96, and became
partner in 2000. In her own words, in 96, very few competition. But now,
thinking about getting partner in 4-5 years is like a dream. Most work
>60h a week to keep the job. Even senior partners have to work on weekends.
Of course, a lot of the hours are not billed.

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: en, a couple of possibilities: inhouser/laid-off/senior partner (like warren).
: hiahia
: 1950 hours are a lot. normally only nyc firms are that greedy
:
: 会

l*r2004-01-18 08:01

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I wonder if it would be easier for people like us to transcend the status of
associateship if we practice in California in the future, at least there are
more Asian inventors/start-ups that may trust us more, or less?;)
Anyway, it is still early, let's first try to get through law shcool sound and
well and be ready to work our asses off for someone after graduation. I
haven't done any exercise for a long time:(
I found out that my legal writing teacher gave me an A for last semester and
that lig

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】

: hoho, you have already shown more motivation and power of will than most
: people here.
: this thread is actually showing up on mitbbs's front page, there must be a lot
: of PhDs thinking about career change :)
:
: 师
: 宝
: 老兄你还挺游刃有余的。我的一个对我很帮忙的工作了三年的师兄，为了那1950的billab
: 会
: 实

l*r2004-01-18 08:01

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Actually I think it is a tough choice for the firm. Unlike in NYC, clients
here generally can't afford high billing rate. So they kind of use the
billable hours to compensate for that.
I think he could have gone to a top20 firm at that time(Mcdermott?). The
reason that he stayed with this firm is probably because his girlfriend (now
wife) took a job here with another top firm---my guess:)
And my guess is that you are an in-house counsel:) Laid-off possibility is
abrogated since somehow I feel th

【在 p*********i 的大作中提到】

: en, a couple of possibilities: inhouser/laid-off/senior partner (like warren).
: hiahia
: 1950 hours are a lot. normally only nyc firms are that greedy
:
: 会

o*e2004-01-18 08:01

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California definately has the most applications, also I feel it is the state
that's the most tolerant to Asians.
Congratulations on your legal writing grade! I still feel that I can't write
well. Being able to "write well" has so many different meanings, and usually
it depends on who you talk to. I think I write OK when it comes down to the
guts of technical disclosures, but I feel inediquate when it comes to bluffing
(or "policy arguement" as they call it in law school). I still can't pict

【在 l**********r 的大作中提到】

: I wonder if it would be easier for people like us to transcend the status of
: associateship if we practice in California in the future, at least there are
: more Asian inventors/start-ups that may trust us more, or less?;)
: Anyway, it is still early, let's first try to get through law shcool sound and
: well and be ready to work our asses off for someone after graduation. I
: haven't done any exercise for a long time:(
: I found out that my legal writing teacher gave me an A for last semester and
: that lig

l*r2004-01-18 08:01

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Hehe, that reminds me those astonishingly beautiful women you mentioned during
your orientation. Were they among "them"? :)

you

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】

: California definately has the most applications, also I feel it is the state
: that's the most tolerant to Asians.
: Congratulations on your legal writing grade! I still feel that I can't write
: well. Being able to "write well" has so many different meanings, and usually
: it depends on who you talk to. I think I write OK when it comes down to the
: guts of technical disclosures, but I feel inediquate when it comes to bluffing
: (or "policy arguement" as they call it in law school). I still can't pict

l*r2004-01-18 08:01

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Actually if you affirm which category you belong, a good argument can always
be made for why it is so:) Lawyers should sit on the fence before deciding
which side he is going to argue for:)
How to make martini pink? I have zero knowledge on cocktail.
Do you know how hard attorneys like those in JonesDay ShangHai office work? I
suppose they are paid similarly?

【在 l**********r 的大作中提到】

: Hehe, that reminds me those astonishingly beautiful women you mentioned during
: your orientation. Were they among "them"? :)
:
: you

o*e2004-01-18 08:01

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hehe, pinkmartini is a band, chicks dig it :)
http://www.pinkmartini.com/

I
doesn't
yet:)

【在 l**********r 的大作中提到】

: Actually if you affirm which category you belong, a good argument can always
: be made for why it is so:) Lawyers should sit on the fence before deciding
: which side he is going to argue for:)
: How to make martini pink? I have zero knowledge on cocktail.
: Do you know how hard attorneys like those in JonesDay ShangHai office work? I
: suppose they are paid similarly?

l*r2004-01-18 08:01

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I just found another thing that I can learn from you:)
Socializations, music and cocktails, man, what a noble life you live:)
Doesn't mean only chicks dig it, does it;)

always
work?
is

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】

: hehe, pinkmartini is a band, chicks dig it :)
: http://www.pinkmartini.com/
:
: I
: doesn't
: yet:)

l*r2004-01-18 08:01

15 楼

Before I finally refrain observing my wife's request:), I am going to make one
more speculation about otheme's ID.
otheme means optical theme. Not sure how to interpret theme here. Optical
song, optical project, optical composition, optical character...:)
In the parentheses comes the great theme:)
Puff the magic dragon, live by the sea, ...

deciding
possibility
hours
(like

【在 l**********r 的大作中提到】

: I just found another thing that I can learn from you:)
: Socializations, music and cocktails, man, what a noble life you live:)
: Doesn't mean only chicks dig it, does it;)
:
: always
: work?
: is

p*i2004-01-18 08:01

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seems law school is endurable - u folks r still watering...

one

【在 l**********r 的大作中提到】

: Before I finally refrain observing my wife's request:), I am going to make one
: more speculation about otheme's ID.
: otheme means optical theme. Not sure how to interpret theme here. Optical
: song, optical project, optical composition, optical character...:)
: In the parentheses comes the great theme:)
: Puff the magic dragon, live by the sea, ...
:
: deciding
: possibility
: hours

l*r2004-01-18 08:01

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I think it is the enduring effect of winter break:)
Also I was here to provide some clapping sound, for it is impossible to make
it with one hand from otheme:)

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: seems law school is endurable - u folks r still watering...
:
: one

o*e2004-01-18 08:01

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dude, i never thought my ID could have so many profound meanings.
as for "puff", that came from one trip to amsterdam :)

one
partner

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o*e2004-01-18 08:01

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how come this board is drying up, although there are quite a few chinese JDs
in this year's class?
littletigger, you are the man, lawschool + family + a new born baby, don't
know how you could pull this off. you have a happy family -- you have already
completed at least 50% of one's mission in life.
this is also good evidence that bio people can kick some butt in law school.

make
Optical

【在 l**********r 的大作中提到】

: I think it is the enduring effect of winter break:)
: Also I was here to provide some clapping sound, for it is impossible to make
: it with one hand from otheme:)

l*r2004-01-18 08:01

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You have to tell me why puff is related to Amsterdam sometime:)
And how about being the magic dragon?:) I like this song.
http://www.smile-a-day.com/puff.shtml

can
office
jobhunter

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】

: dude, i never thought my ID could have so many profound meanings.
: as for "puff", that came from one trip to amsterdam :)
:
: one
: partner

l*r2004-01-18 08:01

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Yes. Quite a number of Chinese JDs must be. We have three in my class here,
rather than the usual one. So my reserved estimation is there are 50 in the
first tier schools in class 2006.
I also took a part-time job here on campus to have the tuition covered. Then
sometime I had to compromise the less important stuffs in life, like this
part-time job:) Don't know how much longer I can held it. It was such a
pain-in-the-neck for me last semester that I sometime regretted that I chose
to go through

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】

: how come this board is drying up, although there are quite a few chinese JDs
: in this year's class?
: littletigger, you are the man, lawschool + family + a new born baby, don't
: know how you could pull this off. you have a happy family -- you have already
: completed at least 50% of one's mission in life.
: this is also good evidence that bio people can kick some butt in law school.
:
: make
: Optical

a*a2004-01-18 08:01

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Well, too late to warn the PhDs. I knew quite a few that are heading this way.
BTW, how did you find the part-time job that got your tuition covered? I am
interested to know. I might not want to go to law school, because I hate
reading and writing (although I am good at logic, like most bio majors, I
guess), I can go somewhere else.

【在 l**********r 的大作中提到】

: Yes. Quite a number of Chinese JDs must be. We have three in my class here,
: rather than the usual one. So my reserved estimation is there are 50 in the
: first tier schools in class 2006.
: I also took a part-time job here on campus to have the tuition covered. Then
: sometime I had to compromise the less important stuffs in life, like this
: part-time job:) Don't know how much longer I can held it. It was such a
: pain-in-the-neck for me last semester that I sometime regretted that I chose
: to go through

a*a2004-01-18 08:01

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You mean just pay the in-state tuition? Can you get that just by living in the
State then?
It is understandable that so many bio majors want to switch to IP. Bio was too
hot in China in the recent years, but actually, bio majors here are not as
easy to find a job as Engineering or Chemistry.
A lot of Americans I know are heading this way too. If you read the job
prospect report, that is due to growth in IP. My friend went to a law school
and said that 1/3 of his classmates have PhD degree alread

o*e2004-01-18 08:01

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Amsterdam is famous for its "coffee shops", where people from all over the
world come to puff.

make
Optical

【在 l**********r 的大作中提到】

: You have to tell me why puff is related to Amsterdam sometime:)
: And how about being the magic dragon?:) I like this song.
: http://www.smile-a-day.com/puff.shtml
:
: can
: office
: jobhunter

a*a2004-01-18 08:01

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Did you also visited the "pretty woman" or women there too?

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】

: Amsterdam is famous for its "coffee shops", where people from all over the
: world come to puff.
:
: make
: Optical

o*e2004-01-18 08:01

26 楼

I went window shopping... it kind of reminds me of the reptile section of a
zoo, where everything is behind a glass.

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: Did you also visited the "pretty woman" or women there too?

a*a2004-01-18 08:01

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I guess it is fine when you are single. Otherwise, easy to get into trouble.

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】

: I went window shopping... it kind of reminds me of the reptile section of a
: zoo, where everything is behind a glass.

o*e2004-01-18 08:01

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dude i was only window shopping, didn't buy anything :)

a

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: I guess it is fine when you are single. Otherwise, easy to get into trouble.

l*r2004-01-18 08:01

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Many schools have such tuition waiver, usually when you find a RA/TA/PA on
campus. Some are better than others. For example, in Texas, if your spouse is
a graduate assistant in any UT campus, you automatically pay in-state tuition.
After doing it, I can't say I would recommend it. There is just no enough time
to do everything well. It will affect your professional study.

zero-interest
school
heading
and

l*r2004-01-18 08:01

30 楼

I see. Those people hadn't done enough importing opium into China. Now they
are still intoxicating themselves. Good for them.

live:)
argument
before

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】

: Amsterdam is famous for its "coffee shops", where people from all over the
: world come to puff.
:
: make
: Optical

l*r2004-01-18 08:01

31 楼

hehe, good analogy. Beauty-Lady-Snake in a zoo;) And it is hot and humid.
Reminds me Bourbon street in New Orleans. Walking on the street, you can see
the shadow of a female dancing behind the glass.

the

【在 o****e 的大作中提到】

: I went window shopping... it kind of reminds me of the reptile section of a
: zoo, where everything is behind a glass.