x*g
2 楼
why? how?
which area? still Bio?
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: next few years will be good.
which area? still Bio?
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: next few years will be good.
o*e
3 楼
EECS. Everyone is hiring, in both litigation and prosecution. Based on the
Loyola job fair, the upswing is inevitable. International IP litigation is
also growing fast.
But, firms are still being picky. Average tech background (e.g., BS in EE/CS)
does not go very far. MS degree, or patent-related work experience, are very
desirable.
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】
: why? how?
: which area? still Bio?
Loyola job fair, the upswing is inevitable. International IP litigation is
also growing fast.
But, firms are still being picky. Average tech background (e.g., BS in EE/CS)
does not go very far. MS degree, or patent-related work experience, are very
desirable.
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】
: why? how?
: which area? still Bio?
j*i
4 楼
Sounds like true. I talked with a few 2Ls today and they all say that with MS
in CS and 4 yrs engineer work experience, I'm pretty much set, which really
makes me feel good... although still anxious about the first year classes.
EE/CS)
very
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: EECS. Everyone is hiring, in both litigation and prosecution. Based on the
: Loyola job fair, the upswing is inevitable. International IP litigation is
: also growing fast.
: But, firms are still being picky. Average tech background (e.g., BS in EE/CS)
: does not go very far. MS degree, or patent-related work experience, are very
: desirable.
in CS and 4 yrs engineer work experience, I'm pretty much set, which really
makes me feel good... although still anxious about the first year classes.
EE/CS)
very
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: EECS. Everyone is hiring, in both litigation and prosecution. Based on the
: Loyola job fair, the upswing is inevitable. International IP litigation is
: also growing fast.
: But, firms are still being picky. Average tech background (e.g., BS in EE/CS)
: does not go very far. MS degree, or patent-related work experience, are very
: desirable.
t*a
5 楼
有个朋友
找2L的summer associate
这个星期都在面试
平均一天五个
感觉好象工作机会很多似的
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: next few years will be good.
找2L的summer associate
这个星期都在面试
平均一天五个
感觉好象工作机会很多似的
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: next few years will be good.
l*r
6 楼
一天五个？？Georgetown的OCI(>800firms)？我们学校就壹佰个firms过来，也就有几个
我觉得去比较合适，别人还不见得给interview.
我个人觉得ECE的IP市场还不错，其他如Bio/Chem的也就是维持现状罢了。
你这个朋友是什么背景呢？
：
【在 t*a 的大作中提到】
: 有个朋友
: 找2L的summer associate
: 这个星期都在面试
: 平均一天五个
: 感觉好象工作机会很多似的
我觉得去比较合适，别人还不见得给interview.
我个人觉得ECE的IP市场还不错，其他如Bio/Chem的也就是维持现状罢了。
你这个朋友是什么背景呢？
：
【在 t*a 的大作中提到】
: 有个朋友
: 找2L的summer associate
: 这个星期都在面试
: 平均一天五个
: 感觉好象工作机会很多似的
j*i
7 楼
I talked with a few partners at local IP boutiques last week. Their feeling is
that if you want to do IP prosecution, then there are lots of opportunities
out there. But usually people are getting so bored at drafting patents ten
hours a day, so many, who work in IP field, do a mixed work load with both
litigation and prosecution. And sometimes it is not so well balanced due to
the nature of litigation and you'll get toast when doing both together.
个
【在 l**********r 的大作中提到】
: 一天五个？？Georgetown的OCI(>800firms)？我们学校就壹佰个firms过来，也就有几个
: 我觉得去比较合适，别人还不见得给interview.
: 我个人觉得ECE的IP市场还不错，其他如Bio/Chem的也就是维持现状罢了。
: 你这个朋友是什么背景呢？
:
: ：
that if you want to do IP prosecution, then there are lots of opportunities
out there. But usually people are getting so bored at drafting patents ten
hours a day, so many, who work in IP field, do a mixed work load with both
litigation and prosecution. And sometimes it is not so well balanced due to
the nature of litigation and you'll get toast when doing both together.
个
【在 l**********r 的大作中提到】
: 一天五个？？Georgetown的OCI(>800firms)？我们学校就壹佰个firms过来，也就有几个
: 我觉得去比较合适，别人还不见得给interview.
: 我个人觉得ECE的IP市场还不错，其他如Bio/Chem的也就是维持现状罢了。
: 你这个朋友是什么背景呢？
:
: ：
l*r
8 楼
Well, that just leads us back to the bottom line---there is essentially no
occupation in the US by which you can make easy money. I think I have
mentioned this ShiXiong who had to struggle with a goal of 1950 billable hours
as a patent prosecutor. Although I think very highly of myself, I seriously do
not think I will be able to handle that challenge any better. It could
conceivably be more difficult for me if the fact that he did much better than
me in law school is given full consideration...
【在 j****i 的大作中提到】
: I talked with a few partners at local IP boutiques last week. Their feeling is
: that if you want to do IP prosecution, then there are lots of opportunities
: out there. But usually people are getting so bored at drafting patents ten
: hours a day, so many, who work in IP field, do a mixed work load with both
: litigation and prosecution. And sometimes it is not so well balanced due to
: the nature of litigation and you'll get toast when doing both together.
:
: 个
occupation in the US by which you can make easy money. I think I have
mentioned this ShiXiong who had to struggle with a goal of 1950 billable hours
as a patent prosecutor. Although I think very highly of myself, I seriously do
not think I will be able to handle that challenge any better. It could
conceivably be more difficult for me if the fact that he did much better than
me in law school is given full consideration...
【在 j****i 的大作中提到】
: I talked with a few partners at local IP boutiques last week. Their feeling is
: that if you want to do IP prosecution, then there are lots of opportunities
: out there. But usually people are getting so bored at drafting patents ten
: hours a day, so many, who work in IP field, do a mixed work load with both
: litigation and prosecution. And sometimes it is not so well balanced due to
: the nature of litigation and you'll get toast when doing both together.
:
: 个
l*r
9 楼
hours
do
than
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hehe, I mean, after you get on the boat to become a lawyer---from an academic
track---you just have to go forward. There are certainly exceptions. I read
this story where the attorney who's involved in a famous case quit and became
a medical doctor.
Whether the IP market, or at least part of it, is turning back, is another
matter.
feeling
opportunities
to
有
【在 l**********r 的大作中提到】
: Well, that just leads us back to the bottom line---there is essentially no
: occupation in the US by which you can make easy money. I think I have
: mentioned this ShiXiong who had to struggle with a goal of 1950 billable hours
: as a patent prosecutor. Although I think very highly of myself, I seriously do
: not think I will be able to handle that challenge any better. It could
: conceivably be more difficult for me if the fact that he did much better than
: me in law school is given full consideration...
o*e
10 楼
the number 1950 itself is not the real issue. the issue is the cap of each
application. if the cap is at 12k, and your billing rate is at $250, then you
can't spend more than 40 hours per case (considering partner review time,
secretary work, etc.)
for someone with little drafting experience, spending only 40 hours per case
and still producing good quality work is nearly impossible. so what happens
is you end up working more hours on a case, say 60, and then having to write
off anything abov
【在 l**********r 的大作中提到】
:
: hours
: do
: than
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: Hehe, I mean, after you get on the boat to become a lawyer---from an academic
: track---you just have to go forward. There are certainly exceptions. I read
: this story where the attorney who's involved in a famous case quit and became
: a medical doctor.
: Whether the IP market, or at least part of it, is turning back, is another
application. if the cap is at 12k, and your billing rate is at $250, then you
can't spend more than 40 hours per case (considering partner review time,
secretary work, etc.)
for someone with little drafting experience, spending only 40 hours per case
and still producing good quality work is nearly impossible. so what happens
is you end up working more hours on a case, say 60, and then having to write
off anything abov
【在 l**********r 的大作中提到】
:
: hours
: do
: than
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: Hehe, I mean, after you get on the boat to become a lawyer---from an academic
: track---you just have to go forward. There are certainly exceptions. I read
: this story where the attorney who's involved in a famous case quit and became
: a medical doctor.
: Whether the IP market, or at least part of it, is turning back, is another
l*r
11 楼
How many Chinese JD students are there in your school's class 2007? We have 4.
Up from 1 in class 2004.
I guess one reason is that more and more high-LSAT-scorers applied, the other
is that Americans think China's economic success will continue.
you
no
read
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: the number 1950 itself is not the real issue. the issue is the cap of each
: application. if the cap is at 12k, and your billing rate is at $250, then you
: can't spend more than 40 hours per case (considering partner review time,
: secretary work, etc.)
: for someone with little drafting experience, spending only 40 hours per case
: and still producing good quality work is nearly impossible. so what happens
: is you end up working more hours on a case, say 60, and then having to write
: off anything abov
Up from 1 in class 2004.
I guess one reason is that more and more high-LSAT-scorers applied, the other
is that Americans think China's economic success will continue.
you
no
read
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: the number 1950 itself is not the real issue. the issue is the cap of each
: application. if the cap is at 12k, and your billing rate is at $250, then you
: can't spend more than 40 hours per case (considering partner review time,
: secretary work, etc.)
: for someone with little drafting experience, spending only 40 hours per case
: and still producing good quality work is nearly impossible. so what happens
: is you end up working more hours on a case, say 60, and then having to write
: off anything abov
o*e
12 楼
Not sure about incoming JDs, but there are many LLMs who plan to go back.
So far I know Orrick and WSGR are hiring Chinese IP litigators -- there is a
big influx of litigation from China/Taiwan, and they simply don't have enough
people who has a tech/law/language combination.
4.
other
each
case
happens
write
a
lower,
essentially
billable
better
another
【在 l**********r 的大作中提到】
: How many Chinese JD students are there in your school's class 2007? We have 4.
: Up from 1 in class 2004.
: I guess one reason is that more and more high-LSAT-scorers applied, the other
: is that Americans think China's economic success will continue.
:
: you
: no
: read
So far I know Orrick and WSGR are hiring Chinese IP litigators -- there is a
big influx of litigation from China/Taiwan, and they simply don't have enough
people who has a tech/law/language combination.
4.
other
each
case
happens
write
a
lower,
essentially
billable
better
another
【在 l**********r 的大作中提到】
: How many Chinese JD students are there in your school's class 2007? We have 4.
: Up from 1 in class 2004.
: I guess one reason is that more and more high-LSAT-scorers applied, the other
: is that Americans think China's economic success will continue.
:
: you
: no
: read
l*r
13 楼
Let me ask you an interview question since you have done so many:) Please
answer in the way that you really believe rather than the way you would have
answered the interviewers---who cares, if they are going to hire you, this
will not be the decisive question.
Do you have any preference to work for GP's IP department or an IP Boutique,
(suppose you have no prior experience with IP whatsoever, which is apparently
not true for you, but...)?
Seemingly there are at least two factors here: 1) money m
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: Not sure about incoming JDs, but there are many LLMs who plan to go back.
: So far I know Orrick and WSGR are hiring Chinese IP litigators -- there is a
: big influx of litigation from China/Taiwan, and they simply don't have enough
: people who has a tech/law/language combination.
:
: 4.
: other
: each
: case
: happens
answer in the way that you really believe rather than the way you would have
answered the interviewers---who cares, if they are going to hire you, this
will not be the decisive question.
Do you have any preference to work for GP's IP department or an IP Boutique,
(suppose you have no prior experience with IP whatsoever, which is apparently
not true for you, but...)?
Seemingly there are at least two factors here: 1) money m
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: Not sure about incoming JDs, but there are many LLMs who plan to go back.
: So far I know Orrick and WSGR are hiring Chinese IP litigators -- there is a
: big influx of litigation from China/Taiwan, and they simply don't have enough
: people who has a tech/law/language combination.
:
: 4.
: other
: each
: case
: happens
o*e
14 楼
I think first one has to decide whether to do prosecution or litigation. But
the difficult part to that is that you never know until you try. Economically
speaking, prosecution is a fast track to cash for individuals -- you can
accelerate the process by going solo or joining a boutique early, and can
become an ~employer~ instead of an employee. However, prosecution is not
workable for large, GP firms.
Right now I think I still want to do prosecution, purely for economic reasons.
But, I also w
【在 l**********r 的大作中提到】
: Let me ask you an interview question since you have done so many:) Please
: answer in the way that you really believe rather than the way you would have
: answered the interviewers---who cares, if they are going to hire you, this
: will not be the decisive question.
: Do you have any preference to work for GP's IP department or an IP Boutique,
: (suppose you have no prior experience with IP whatsoever, which is apparently
: not true for you, but...)?
: Seemingly there are at least two factors here: 1) money m
the difficult part to that is that you never know until you try. Economically
speaking, prosecution is a fast track to cash for individuals -- you can
accelerate the process by going solo or joining a boutique early, and can
become an ~employer~ instead of an employee. However, prosecution is not
workable for large, GP firms.
Right now I think I still want to do prosecution, purely for economic reasons.
But, I also w
【在 l**********r 的大作中提到】
: Let me ask you an interview question since you have done so many:) Please
: answer in the way that you really believe rather than the way you would have
: answered the interviewers---who cares, if they are going to hire you, this
: will not be the decisive question.
: Do you have any preference to work for GP's IP department or an IP Boutique,
: (suppose you have no prior experience with IP whatsoever, which is apparently
: not true for you, but...)?
: Seemingly there are at least two factors here: 1) money m
l*r
15 楼
Sounds like a good plan. So I guess you are aiming at firms like Kirkland,
Sidley, Wilmer and JonesDay right now:) The higher the ranking, the snobbish
they get about school and class rankings. It is just an easy rule any idiot
can apply.
Though I think a number of boutiques also do very good litigation work, as
sophisticated as those done by the big-name GP firms. I believe it is the
Asian companies which have the preference for those GP firms. Because they pay
even more attention to rankings,
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: I think first one has to decide whether to do prosecution or litigation. But
: the difficult part to that is that you never know until you try. Economically
: speaking, prosecution is a fast track to cash for individuals -- you can
: accelerate the process by going solo or joining a boutique early, and can
: become an ~employer~ instead of an employee. However, prosecution is not
: workable for large, GP firms.
: Right now I think I still want to do prosecution, purely for economic reasons.
: But, I also w
Sidley, Wilmer and JonesDay right now:) The higher the ranking, the snobbish
they get about school and class rankings. It is just an easy rule any idiot
can apply.
Though I think a number of boutiques also do very good litigation work, as
sophisticated as those done by the big-name GP firms. I believe it is the
Asian companies which have the preference for those GP firms. Because they pay
even more attention to rankings,
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: I think first one has to decide whether to do prosecution or litigation. But
: the difficult part to that is that you never know until you try. Economically
: speaking, prosecution is a fast track to cash for individuals -- you can
: accelerate the process by going solo or joining a boutique early, and can
: become an ~employer~ instead of an employee. However, prosecution is not
: workable for large, GP firms.
: Right now I think I still want to do prosecution, purely for economic reasons.
: But, I also w
o*e
16 楼
you are absolutely right about the sobbishness of these higher-ranked GP
firms. I actually wasn't targetting those top tens. The fact is, these firms
are almost exclusively focused on corp finance, the few that have an IP group,
only acquired these groups a couple of years ago, and their IP practice is not
as streamlined as other guys who have been doing it for a while. Most of my
call backs came from Loyola and SF patent job fair, and those big firms simply
don't show up at these fairs. The
【在 l**********r 的大作中提到】
: Sounds like a good plan. So I guess you are aiming at firms like Kirkland,
: Sidley, Wilmer and JonesDay right now:) The higher the ranking, the snobbish
: they get about school and class rankings. It is just an easy rule any idiot
: can apply.
: Though I think a number of boutiques also do very good litigation work, as
: sophisticated as those done by the big-name GP firms. I believe it is the
: Asian companies which have the preference for those GP firms. Because they pay
: even more attention to rankings,
firms. I actually wasn't targetting those top tens. The fact is, these firms
are almost exclusively focused on corp finance, the few that have an IP group,
only acquired these groups a couple of years ago, and their IP practice is not
as streamlined as other guys who have been doing it for a while. Most of my
call backs came from Loyola and SF patent job fair, and those big firms simply
don't show up at these fairs. The
【在 l**********r 的大作中提到】
: Sounds like a good plan. So I guess you are aiming at firms like Kirkland,
: Sidley, Wilmer and JonesDay right now:) The higher the ranking, the snobbish
: they get about school and class rankings. It is just an easy rule any idiot
: can apply.
: Though I think a number of boutiques also do very good litigation work, as
: sophisticated as those done by the big-name GP firms. I believe it is the
: Asian companies which have the preference for those GP firms. Because they pay
: even more attention to rankings,
l*r
17 楼
Hehe, my philosophy is that if they overlook me, I will do just the same, as
relentless as possible:) Of course they have nothing to lose because it is now
the firms' market and their demands are more than amply met.
Moreover, as you said, IP department is by no means the most profitable
department in those top20 firms. Therefore, even if they "show mercy" and give
us offers, I can hardly see how happy I will be working for them. I assume the
feeling would be that you are somehow inferior to tho
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: you are absolutely right about the sobbishness of these higher-ranked GP
: firms. I actually wasn't targetting those top tens. The fact is, these firms
: are almost exclusively focused on corp finance, the few that have an IP group,
: only acquired these groups a couple of years ago, and their IP practice is not
: as streamlined as other guys who have been doing it for a while. Most of my
: call backs came from Loyola and SF patent job fair, and those big firms simply
: don't show up at these fairs. The
relentless as possible:) Of course they have nothing to lose because it is now
the firms' market and their demands are more than amply met.
Moreover, as you said, IP department is by no means the most profitable
department in those top20 firms. Therefore, even if they "show mercy" and give
us offers, I can hardly see how happy I will be working for them. I assume the
feeling would be that you are somehow inferior to tho
【在 o****e 的大作中提到】
: you are absolutely right about the sobbishness of these higher-ranked GP
: firms. I actually wasn't targetting those top tens. The fact is, these firms
: are almost exclusively focused on corp finance, the few that have an IP group,
: only acquired these groups a couple of years ago, and their IP practice is not
: as streamlined as other guys who have been doing it for a while. Most of my
: call backs came from Loyola and SF patent job fair, and those big firms simply
: don't show up at these fairs. The
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