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r*c2007-05-13 07:05

1 楼

Deal all,
I am a PhD working for a big company R&D in the NYC area My background is EE
(which became biomedical engineering) and my work experience is in the
intersection of EE and pharm/biotech. I obtained my green card.
I realized a limit in my upward mobility and became aware that it is
possible to change career to IP or Corp. attorney, where my experience can
be better leveraged. I also realized an IP attorney's writing capability is
not too much different from what I have possessed already.

n*e2007-05-13 07:05

2 楼

you are doing well already. patent attorney is a trash job compared to what
you have. And for sure you have a lot of leverage for corporate attorney
since you are such a young fellow.
The best advice I can give: go to harvard or yale considering your
distinguished track record. I agree Fordham is totally not worth it as it
will taint your resume. Columbia and NYU are not prestigious enough. DC
schools are only for losers.

h*22007-05-13 07:05

3 楼

NCODE您真是我的呕像，patent law是trash，DC的法学院里面都是loser，您太厉害了。
请问您一年挣多少？也让我们敬仰敬仰。
不过，你要是真的那么成功，还跟这儿跟我们这帮十来二十万的loser混，简直就是浪
费您的时间。您的公司什么时候上市啊？

what

【在 n***e 的大作中提到】

: you are doing well already. patent attorney is a trash job compared to what
: you have. And for sure you have a lot of leverage for corporate attorney
: since you are such a young fellow.
: The best advice I can give: go to harvard or yale considering your
: distinguished track record. I agree Fordham is totally not worth it as it
: will taint your resume. Columbia and NYU are not prestigious enough. DC
: schools are only for losers.

h*22007-05-13 07:05

4 楼

OK，NCODE如果是说反话，就当我说了个笑话。大家多包涵。

n*e2007-05-13 07:05

5 楼

I was just trying to follow lz's logic in his post - he would probably think
what I wrote if he knew a few facts about law schools.

n*e2007-05-13 07:05

6 楼

usually harvard and yale graduates have hard time answering the question "
where did you go for college?" I've heard "a school in New Haven" and "just
a school in Boston" I'm sure there won't be a difficulty for LZ to answer
the question and this is part of the reason I urged him to go one of these
places.

h*e2007-05-13 07:05

7 楼

Eh...actually, for mot Wharton kids, their vocabulary contains only the term
"Wharton"; "Upenn" is not even on their radar. Upenn is a disgrace to
Wharton kids and they'd be happy to go their separate way.

c*d2007-05-13 07:05

8 楼

You guys are killing me. LOL I think LZ is CaliCat's twin brother.

D*s2007-05-13 07:05

9 楼

Her majesty's evil twin?

【在 c**d 的大作中提到】

: You guys are killing me. LOL I think LZ is CaliCat's twin brother.

D*s2007-05-13 07:05

10 楼

Your writing reeks the arrogance of elitism.

EE
is

【在 r*******c 的大作中提到】

: Deal all,
: I am a PhD working for a big company R&D in the NYC area My background is EE
: (which became biomedical engineering) and my work experience is in the
: intersection of EE and pharm/biotech. I obtained my green card.
: I realized a limit in my upward mobility and became aware that it is
: possible to change career to IP or Corp. attorney, where my experience can
: be better leveraged. I also realized an IP attorney's writing capability is
: not too much different from what I have possessed already.

h*a2007-05-13 07:05

11 楼

这个帖子真是太entertaining 了，看的俺心花怒放，哈哈。

h*a2007-05-13 07:05

12 楼

LOL @@

【在 D**********s 的大作中提到】

: Her majesty's evil twin?

d*y2007-05-13 07:05

13 楼

大家似乎有点儿过于mean了吧，至少反应有点激烈，可能是因为近来这里一些争执的原因
我看lz就是不熟悉bbs提问方式，如果她的PhD就是从harvard或者MIT拿的，她那么问似
乎也不能说是arrogant，只能说没考虑到广大仰视top school的同学的心情
从lz的文字，和其对版面的考古，我直觉lz是女的，所以我用了“她”

n*e2007-05-13 07:05

14 楼

仨螺丝同学：建议您再读nemo的帖子. 俗话说书读百遍其意自见。还有，不知道您说的
mentality是个什么讲法？让某甲百思不得其解。

d*y2007-05-13 07:05

15 楼

美国的recruiters那些洋鳖也特别看重学校，特别是街上的，一样找intern，名校的很
快给interview了，非名校的连个屁都等不到
还有networking就更别提了，那些top b-school的学生别的不干成天就知道social，不
就是为了将来找工作的时候从alumni打开缺口
说名校无用的，不过是酸葡萄罢了，虽然大家都会说关键还是看人本身

d*y2007-05-13 07:05

16 楼

Jobseeking is a part of our ordinary life ah~~~
hehe, 我就是generally speaking，咱们闲人不为难闲人（才刚发现的）

h*e2007-05-13 07:05

17 楼

In the legal profession, "where you went for under" and "where you went for
law school" are definitely among the first 10 questions people ask.
Pathetic but so what. Where you are from defines you when people don't know
you. A Santa Clara student could make partner in a biglaw, but then everyone
would add Oh he beats the odds.
B-school graduates are 10x worse. Their whole purpose of life is to network
till their heads fall off. And what's networking w/o the prestige of your
elite schools.
And y

h*22007-05-13 07:05

18 楼

学校这玩意也就是找面试的时候管用，你开始上班了谁管你是YHS还是santa clara，一
两个job就试出来了
到了第二年以上，你住什么房子，开什么车比你上什么学校重要多了。一个是开着贴着
YHS sticker 的 camry，另一个是辆S500，你尊重哪个？
YHS的学生统计上来说比较聪明，这不假。但是，聪明和赚钱没有必然联系。上了YHS，
结果还是给别人打工，那才是真正的loser。

for
know
everyone
network
from

【在 h**********e 的大作中提到】

: In the legal profession, "where you went for under" and "where you went for
: law school" are definitely among the first 10 questions people ask.
: Pathetic but so what. Where you are from defines you when people don't know
: you. A Santa Clara student could make partner in a biglaw, but then everyone
: would add Oh he beats the odds.
: B-school graduates are 10x worse. Their whole purpose of life is to network
: till their heads fall off. And what's networking w/o the prestige of your
: elite schools.
: And y

c*d2007-05-13 07:05

19 楼

"到了第二年以上，你住什么房子，开什么车比你上什么学校重要多了。一个是开着贴
着 YHS sticker 的 camry，另一个是辆S500，你尊重哪个？"
LOL. ROFL. LMAO.

n*e2007-05-13 07:05

20 楼

the problem is that if one goes to for example an alaska county law school (
for the sake of not offending anybody here) his chance of getting a good
paying job which allows him to drive a S500 in the next few years is much
slimmer. also a lot of doors will be virtually closed for him, like becoming
a supreme court justice, or even a circuit judge, or a professorship in a
top law school.
sure he can still make millions by practicing law or doing business of some
sort. if he really makes it and

b*e2007-05-13 07:05

21 楼

What do you really want to do a couple of years down the road?
If you intend to specialize in patent prosecution and stay with your current
employer, I highly doubt the 4-year part-time law school investment would
make ANY sense to you, both career and financial wise. Of course, it is a
different story if doing patent prosecution is your childhood dream.
If you plan to become a IP litigation attorney, then staying in-house at the
early stage of your legal career would be detrimental to the long-

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c*d2007-05-13 07:05

22 楼

I second that reminder.

,$

【在 b******e 的大作中提到】

: What do you really want to do a couple of years down the road?
: If you intend to specialize in patent prosecution and stay with your current
: employer, I highly doubt the 4-year part-time law school investment would
: make ANY sense to you, both career and financial wise. Of course, it is a
: different story if doing patent prosecution is your childhood dream.
: If you plan to become a IP litigation attorney, then staying in-house at the
: early stage of your legal career would be detrimental to the long-

z*e2007-05-13 07:05

23 楼

How did you guys do at LSAT? Where did the OP state that he is inclined to
stay with his current employer AFTER LS? What prohibits him from getting
into biglaw upon graduation?
I found this whole thread mean-spirited, without offering any help of
substance whatsoever. The concern of OP is valid given his/her circumstances
and does not deserve the undue sarcasm.

current
the
,$

【在 b******e 的大作中提到】

z*e2007-05-13 07:05

24 楼

I will try to offer my 0L's 2 cents.
If the circumstance dictates that you have to go PT and allows you to move
from NYC, then probably it is better to find employment with a law firm in
DC area willing to sponsor you through law school while working full time.
That way you can go to Georgetown, which although perennially hanging at the
very bottom of T14 by USNews is still T14 since it matters to you.
If you would like to take the plunge to go with the FT route, then you can't
go wrong with NYU

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c*d2007-05-13 07:05

25 楼

I agree. There are obviously some xoxo'ers trying to pass the xoxo mentality
over to this board. I, too, sometimes go overboard, and I apologize. But
Babeface has always been helpful.

【在 z***e 的大作中提到】

: I will try to offer my 0L's 2 cents.
: If the circumstance dictates that you have to go PT and allows you to move
: from NYC, then probably it is better to find employment with a law firm in
: DC area willing to sponsor you through law school while working full time.
: That way you can go to Georgetown, which although perennially hanging at the
: very bottom of T14 by USNews is still T14 since it matters to you.
: If you would like to take the plunge to go with the FT route, then you can't
: go wrong with NYU

h*e2007-05-13 07:05

26 楼

I like xoxo, hoho.
Just don't take things so seriously. Part of my and my colleages' daily life
is pick on each other and that's fun.

n*e2007-05-13 07:05

27 楼

some mild xoxo spice is a good thing for this board. i don't think it's "
mean-spirited" by poking some fun to a provoking post. not everyone is
entitled help. he earns it.
czjd - why would you apologize? because certain someone think you are not
nice enough? you are a flip-flop. haha

z*e2007-05-13 07:05

28 楼

xoxo spice is ok so long as GTO did not lose his job over it. Also I found
even those "bored, taking ?s" threads tend to be more useful and to receive
more responses than pure spice without any meat in it.
The OP seems to me a person having given a lot of thoughts to where he/she
wants to be career wise and has done due diligence in researching the
schools and legal market. I failed to see how his/her post is "provoking".
No one would deny Fordham is one if not two levels down from NYU/CLS in
te

【在 n***e 的大作中提到】

: some mild xoxo spice is a good thing for this board. i don't think it's "
: mean-spirited" by poking some fun to a provoking post. not everyone is
: entitled help. he earns it.
: czjd - why would you apologize? because certain someone think you are not
: nice enough? you are a flip-flop. haha

n*e2007-05-13 07:05

29 楼

I said "mild" xoxo spice, not the discriminating, sexist, racist types of
spices.
If I graduate from Harvard/MIT or whatever "elite" schools and now I want to
go for law school, I will probably have similar thought process like op's,
but I'd keep it to myself when I am seeking advice from people who I don't
know and all I can rely upon is their kindness. I think that makes a
difference. Sometimes being a fake is better than being straight.
respect is also to be earned, not automatically granted.

【在 z***e 的大作中提到】

: xoxo spice is ok so long as GTO did not lose his job over it. Also I found
: even those "bored, taking ?s" threads tend to be more useful and to receive
: more responses than pure spice without any meat in it.
: The OP seems to me a person having given a lot of thoughts to where he/she
: wants to be career wise and has done due diligence in researching the
: schools and legal market. I failed to see how his/her post is "provoking".
: No one would deny Fordham is one if not two levels down from NYU/CLS in
: te

z*e2007-05-13 07:05

30 楼

hehe, what's wrong with that after all? OP seems to have grounded confidence
that he/she can ace LSAT and his/her credentials would give him/her a fair
shot at NYU/CLS. The "arrogance" perceived by many here is so much different
from what CaliCat transpired a few weeks ago. So long as he/she can back it
up, I am not easily provoked by that statement.

h*22007-05-13 07:05

31 楼

well said, ncode. nobody is entitled to anything. the really annoying
thing about OP is that em was actually trying to sound sincere when em said
"I am used to having elite schools on my resume." what a bunch of crap.

to
,
t

【在 n***e 的大作中提到】

: I said "mild" xoxo spice, not the discriminating, sexist, racist types of
: spices.
: If I graduate from Harvard/MIT or whatever "elite" schools and now I want to
: go for law school, I will probably have similar thought process like op's,
: but I'd keep it to myself when I am seeking advice from people who I don't
: know and all I can rely upon is their kindness. I think that makes a
: difference. Sometimes being a fake is better than being straight.
: respect is also to be earned, not automatically granted.

O*g2007-05-13 07:05

32 楼

Does the arrogance bother you guys? I only find it amusing.

said

【在 h******2 的大作中提到】

: well said, ncode. nobody is entitled to anything. the really annoying
: thing about OP is that em was actually trying to sound sincere when em said
: "I am used to having elite schools on my resume." what a bunch of crap.
:
: to
: ,
: t

z*e2007-05-13 07:05

33 楼

I guess people do look at the same thing hrough different lenses. Remind me
of the recently top10 post about a project manager reminding someone
personal hygiene issues, which is perceived about many as insult while by
the others as being candid and with good faith.
In OP's case, I don't see much arrogance, maybe some naiveness, but mostly
candidness, trying to layout his/her thought process in front of you to seek
advice.

to
,
t

【在 n***e 的大作中提到】

n*e2007-05-13 07:05

34 楼

even though op think fordham isn't good enough for him, he is asking fordham
's alum/student to help him out. I was thinking, wow! if I happens to be a
fordham guy, what would I respond to him? Obviously looking up xoxo's
classic acidic language will be very helpful.

D*s2007-05-13 07:05

35 楼

Many people on this board are not in his so called "elite" schools. Why
would they even bother to give advice to him if he is only used to elite
schools? The sense of inferiority of other schools is so consipicous, or
even blatant.
I am not sure about your usage of "transpire". It doesn't seem right.

confidence
fair
different
it

【在 z***e 的大作中提到】

: hehe, what's wrong with that after all? OP seems to have grounded confidence
: that he/she can ace LSAT and his/her credentials would give him/her a fair
: shot at NYU/CLS. The "arrogance" perceived by many here is so much different
: from what CaliCat transpired a few weeks ago. So long as he/she can back it
: up, I am not easily provoked by that statement.

D*s2007-05-13 07:05

36 楼

"I am used to elite schools", in other words " I am uncomfortable with the
presence of a non-elite school".
Many people just don't want to make him uncomfortable.

me
seek

【在 z***e 的大作中提到】

: I guess people do look at the same thing hrough different lenses. Remind me
: of the recently top10 post about a project manager reminding someone
: personal hygiene issues, which is perceived about many as insult while by
: the others as being candid and with good faith.
: In OP's case, I don't see much arrogance, maybe some naiveness, but mostly
: candidness, trying to layout his/her thought process in front of you to seek
: advice.
:
: to
: ,

h*e2007-05-13 07:05

37 楼

Oh all you elists would you please spare some mercy. Coming from an non-
accredited law school I'm happy just doing doc review for all my career. And
which ass said "doc review? I'd rather eat my shoe!"