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m*s2013-04-17 07:04

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【以下文字转载自 Physics 讨论区】
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s*n2013-04-17 07:04

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听完贝多芬全部曲子的不多吧，一曲不落，85张CD。

i*i2013-04-17 07:04

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【以下文字转载自 Movie 讨论区】
发信人: iwii (猫猫), 信区: Movie
标题: Walking Dead 的姊妹篇出来了！！
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue May 14 23:34:50 2013, 美东)

l*g2013-04-17 07:04

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qiuzhang (aa) 于 (Sun Jun 7 23:42:44 2009, 美东) 提到:
好像版上也有人用手指弹的。不知道哪种更好。
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bluetomato (bluetomato) 于 (Sun Jun 7 23:56:44 2009, 美东) 提到:
各有利弊吧，呵呵
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zooropa (锻炼～锻炼～) 于 (Mon Jun 8 01:23:54 2009, 美东) 提到:
不管手还是拨片，练出来了都牛，
总体来说，绝大多数还是用拨片为主吧

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willywufd (WW) 于 (Mon Jun 8 11:26:11 2009, 美东) 提到:
要想上速度还是拨片有利一些。
手指头的一般老头子多，多半是从小弹木琴弹习

B*G2013-04-17 07:04

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没人讨论？不知道新加入的没有名额限制的一类获得doctorate degree的包括JD不。

Y*o2013-04-17 07:04

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果然是BSO。。。

【在 s****n 的大作中提到】

: 听完贝多芬全部曲子的不多吧，一曲不落，85张CD。

m*n2013-04-17 07:04

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I answered your question in EB23 board.

s*y2013-04-17 07:04

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然后呢？

【在 s****n 的大作中提到】

: 听完贝多芬全部曲子的不多吧，一曲不落，85张CD。

B*G2013-04-17 07:04

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which is wrong.

【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】

: I answered your question in EB23 board.

s*n2013-04-17 07:04

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170张莫扎特，已听了30张了哈哈。

【在 s*******y 的大作中提到】

: 然后呢？

m*n2013-04-17 07:04

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do some basic research
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Juridical_Science
"Doctor of Juridical Science, Doctor of the Science of Law, (in Latin)
Scientiae Juridicae Doctor (sometimes also referred to as a Doctor of Laws),
abbreviated J.S.D. or S.J.D., is a research doctorate in law[1] and
equivalent to the Ph.D."
JD is only professional training in law

【在 B*****G 的大作中提到】

: which is wrong.

s*y2013-04-17 07:04

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嗬嗬，收藏家啊

【在 s****n 的大作中提到】

: 170张莫扎特，已听了30张了哈哈。

B*G2013-04-17 07:04

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repost my thread from eb23
I don't have to argue with you. LOL wiki works for you huh? You want young
guys? here are some:
http://law.fordham.edu/faculty/seanjgriffith.htm
http://law.fordham.edu/faculty/youngjaelee.htm
BTW i am not saying everyone with a JD would easily land a job as law prof.
You said in your post "unless from HYS" right? So you admit JDs from HYS
have ok chance? don't make conclusion if you don't know. qualify your
statement before you post.

),

【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】

: do some basic research
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Juridical_Science
: "Doctor of Juridical Science, Doctor of the Science of Law, (in Latin)
: Scientiae Juridicae Doctor (sometimes also referred to as a Doctor of Laws),
: abbreviated J.S.D. or S.J.D., is a research doctorate in law[1] and
: equivalent to the Ph.D."
: JD is only professional training in law

s*n2013-04-17 07:04

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两位风格太不一样了，一位愤青，一位文青。

m*n2013-04-17 07:04

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发信人: maxmartin (Dean), 信区: EB23
标题: Re: Doctorate Degree
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Apr 17 15:55:21 2013, 美东)
wrong, not sure about medical field, But in law field, JD is only
professional training equivalent to another Bachelor. The first graduate
lever degree in law is LLM. So Bachelor(JD), Master(LLM), Ph.D(JSD) is the
natural sequence in the law field. But due to its practical nature of the
subject, you can teach other people after you received JD. School often hire
famous lawyers to teach students.
Doctor of Juridical Science, Doctor of the Science of Law, (in Latin)
Scientiae Juridicae Doctor (sometimes also referred to as a Doctor of Laws),
abbreviated J.S.D. or S.J.D., is a research doctorate in law[1] and
equivalent to the Ph.D.[2][3] It is offered primarily in the United States,
where it originated, and in Canada. As a research doctorate, it follows
professional training in law (LL.B. or J.D.) and the first graduate-level
training in law (LL.M.), and is primarily aimed at training professors,
legal scientists, and other scholars in law
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Juridical_Science

.

d*a2013-04-17 07:04

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对哪几个曲目印象深点～？
听的时侯有没有睡着过～？

听完贝多芬全部曲子的不多吧，一曲不落，85张CD。

【在 s****n 的大作中提到】

: 听完贝多芬全部曲子的不多吧，一曲不落，85张CD。

B*G2013-04-17 07:04

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and don't be so cocky. ask me to do basic research? lol you assume i don't
know what JSD is? I just started a discussion re. JD/MD would be considered
as "doctorate degree" for the purpose of the proposed new law, and stated
that JD could teach at law school. how eager you are to show off your
knowledge... lame...

),

【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】

s*n2013-04-17 07:04

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老贝那么激越的冬儿，不大会让人犯困吧。而且我都是放车里头听的，更不会睡着，顶
多是心不在焉。
印象深的当然是大部分，包括交响乐，钢琴，提琴。贝9就更不用提了，窃以为它当之
无愧是人类音乐史上最伟大的单幅作品。有几个string quartet,那些爱尔兰苏格兰民
歌，及其它小歌小曲，声情并茂，highly enjoyable,很感意外。唯一觉得boring的是
有些string works。

【在 d***a 的大作中提到】

: 对哪几个曲目印象深点～？
: 听的时侯有没有睡着过～？
:
: 听完贝多芬全部曲子的不多吧，一曲不落，85张CD。

m*n2013-04-17 07:04

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read my post above, you think everything with a D in it, is a doctorate
degree? Keep dreaming LOL

considered

【在 B*****G 的大作中提到】

: and don't be so cocky. ask me to do basic research? lol you assume i don't
: know what JSD is? I just started a discussion re. JD/MD would be considered
: as "doctorate degree" for the purpose of the proposed new law, and stated
: that JD could teach at law school. how eager you are to show off your
: knowledge... lame...
:
: ),

n*s2013-04-17 07:04

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我倒是没想到Songs from the British Isles还这么好听。

【在 s****n 的大作中提到】

: 老贝那么激越的冬儿，不大会让人犯困吧。而且我都是放车里头听的，更不会睡着，顶
: 多是心不在焉。
: 印象深的当然是大部分，包括交响乐，钢琴，提琴。贝9就更不用提了，窃以为它当之
: 无愧是人类音乐史上最伟大的单幅作品。有几个string quartet,那些爱尔兰苏格兰民
: 歌，及其它小歌小曲，声情并茂，highly enjoyable,很感意外。唯一觉得boring的是
: 有些string works。

B*G2013-04-17 07:04

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from wiki? lol save your time for better stuff.

【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】

: read my post above, you think everything with a D in it, is a doctorate
: degree? Keep dreaming LOL
:
: considered

s*n2013-04-17 07:04

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同没想到。所以跟在评家的屁股后有时不靠谱。

【在 n*s 的大作中提到】

: 我倒是没想到Songs from the British Isles还这么好听。

B*G2013-04-17 07:04

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did i say that? feel sorry for you and your professor if you were educated
in law school.

【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】

: read my post above, you think everything with a D in it, is a doctorate
: degree? Keep dreaming LOL
:
: considered

N*R2013-04-17 07:04

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放车里听？难道你的车是jaguar?

m*n2013-04-17 07:04

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That is a question for you, not a statement. Retarded.

【在 B*****G 的大作中提到】

: did i say that? feel sorry for you and your professor if you were educated
: in law school.

m*d2013-04-17 07:04

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为嘛是jaguar？

【在 N***R 的大作中提到】

: 放车里听？难道你的车是jaguar?

B*G2013-04-17 07:04

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hehe, so started personal attack? no better words or argument? you are the
best joke for me on mitbbs today.

【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】

: That is a question for you, not a statement. Retarded.

m*n2013-04-17 07:04

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sorry to break your doctor dream lol
joke is on you, IDIOT

【在 B*****G 的大作中提到】

: hehe, so started personal attack? no better words or argument? you are the
: best joke for me on mitbbs today.

B*G2013-04-17 07:04

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only personal attacks... poor guy.
by the way don't make conclusive statement again before you know. yeah i
really don't need you to worry about my degree and green card application
lol.

【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】

: sorry to break your doctor dream lol
: joke is on you, IDIOT

s*n2013-04-17 07:04

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Probably not. "Doctorate degree" is not well defined in the current proposal
. Some clarification might be added during discussion. Even not, when it is
put into practice, USCIS will do some clarification. I don't think USCIS or
other involved parties will be in favor of including JD and MD as doctorate
degree.
1, JD and MD are professional doctorate degrees. Although they have "doctor"
in the names, they are first professional degrees in their fields. Unlike
PhD, JD and MD are NOT the highest degrees in their fields. I don't think
the lawmakers meant to inlcude JD and MD in the list. As soon as they
realize there is a confusion or loophole on this term, it will be fixed.
2, Internationally, how JD is persued is quite different. In some countries
JD has the same curriculum with LLB; in some countries, JD is considered as
the same level of a master program. In a lot of contries, JD is even not
sufficient for license. I don't think USCIS would bother to differentate JD
levels in foreign countris. They will simply ask for the highest degree of
the field, which is surely not JD.
3, Also in the proposal, right after "(J) Aliens who have earned a doctorate
degree", there is "(K) Alien physicians who have completed the foreign
residency requirements". If (J) included JD and MD those first professional
degress, why the lawmakers bother to include (K) which requires MD plus
several years professional experiences and successful completion of
residency.
By all means, I don't think the lawmaker intend to include JD and MD. As
soon as they realize there is a loophole there, it will be fixed. Just don't
bet on it.

【在 B*****G 的大作中提到】

: 没人讨论？不知道新加入的没有名额限制的一类获得doctorate degree的包括JD不。

L*h2013-04-17 07:04

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almost all law professors only have jd.

【在 B*****G 的大作中提到】

: 没人讨论？不知道新加入的没有名额限制的一类获得doctorate degree的包括JD不。

G*E2013-04-17 07:04

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yep, maxmartin ans syuan explained very clearly

【在 L*********h 的大作中提到】

: almost all law professors only have jd.

B*G2013-04-17 07:04

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this is exactly the point i made at eb23

【在 L*********h 的大作中提到】

: almost all law professors only have jd.

B*G2013-04-17 07:04

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你这个回帖看不懂啊，yep to Leapoffaith's post? 他说的可是几乎所有法学院教授
只有JD，maxmartin可是说no的。

【在 G*******E 的大作中提到】

: yep, maxmartin ans syuan explained very clearly

B*G2013-04-17 07:04

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你说的有些对的，有些值得讨论。不说别的，自己看看下面这个好了
http://apps.americanbar.org/legaled/accreditation/Council%20Sta
当然，ABA的东西，自己的孩子自己疼。哈哈。

proposal
is
or
doctorate
doctor"

【在 s***n 的大作中提到】

: Probably not. "Doctorate degree" is not well defined in the current proposal
: . Some clarification might be added during discussion. Even not, when it is
: put into practice, USCIS will do some clarification. I don't think USCIS or
: other involved parties will be in favor of including JD and MD as doctorate
: degree.
: 1, JD and MD are professional doctorate degrees. Although they have "doctor"
: in the names, they are first professional degrees in their fields. Unlike
: PhD, JD and MD are NOT the highest degrees in their fields. I don't think
: the lawmakers meant to inlcude JD and MD in the list. As soon as they
: realize there is a confusion or loophole on this term, it will be fixed.

B*G2013-04-17 07:04

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而且你的3，关于“Alien physicians who have completed the foreign residency
requirements under sec7tion 212(e)” 貌似你没看懂阿。

proposal
is
or
doctorate
doctor"

【在 s***n 的大作中提到】

B*G2013-04-17 07:04

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接自己的楼，你的帖子说
“3, Also in the proposal, right after "(J) Aliens who have earned a
doctorate
degree", there is "(K) Alien physicians who have completed the foreign
residency requirements". If (J) included JD and MD those first professional
degress, why the lawmakers bother to include (K) which requires MD plus
several years professional experiences and successful completion of
residency.”
你没看明白这里说的意思。原文是Alien physicians who have completed 6 the
foreign residency requirements under section 212(e)。
这里的foreign residency requirements可不是你说的“plus
several years professional experiences and successful completion of
residency”。这里说的是Immigration and Nationality Act, Section 212(e)中关于
J签证的人（俗称访问学者？）回国两年的规定。See http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/info/info_1296.html
"Certain exchange visitors (J-1) are subject to a two-year home-country
physical presence requirement which requires you to return to your home
country for at least two years at the end of your exchange visitor program.
This is also known as the foreign residence requirement under U.S. law,
Immigration and Nationality Act, section 212(e)."
你对这句话的理解应该是错了。

【在 B*****G 的大作中提到】

: 而且你的3，关于“Alien physicians who have completed the foreign residency
: requirements under sec7tion 212(e)” 貌似你没看懂阿。
:
: proposal
: is
: or
: doctorate
: doctor"

G*E2013-04-17 07:04

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I meant o reply the whole thread not his comment. I am in a T20 school, we
hired 4 new faculty last year, 3 of them have JSD, the other one has JD then
Ph.D.in sociology. Majority of profs in my school only have JD, but I do
see the trend changing like maxmartin said.

【在 B*****G 的大作中提到】

: 你这个回帖看不懂啊，yep to Leapoffaith's post? 他说的可是几乎所有法学院教授
: 只有JD，maxmartin可是说no的。

B*G2013-04-17 07:04

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you have your own observation, fair enough. I have mine. My personal feeling
is that if you are foreign and want to teach law in the US you might want
an SJD/JSD (foreign law degree--llm--SJD track). I don't know any american
at my school pursuing SJD/JSD. you can also check Yale's program. None of
the candidates whose info could be accessed is US JD holder, if i did not
miss any.
http://www.law.yale.edu/graduate/jsd_profiles.htm
anyway, SJD/JSD is definitely not "required" or "needed" as maxmartin
claimed in his original post at eb23.

then

【在 G*******E 的大作中提到】

: I meant o reply the whole thread not his comment. I am in a T20 school, we
: hired 4 new faculty last year, 3 of them have JSD, the other one has JD then
: Ph.D.in sociology. Majority of profs in my school only have JD, but I do
: see the trend changing like maxmartin said.

s*n2013-04-17 07:04

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"These Statements are advisory in nature only."
"WHEREAS, the acquisition of a Doctor of Jurisprudence degree requires from
84 to 90 semester hours of post baccalaureate study and the Doctor of
Philosophy degree usually requires 60 semester hours of post baccalaureate
study along with
the writing of a dissertation, the two degrees shall be considered as
equivalent degrees for educational employment purposes;"
1, Bascially, theose statements are advisory and mostly to law schools.
2, The J.D. Degree - Ph.D. Degree Equivalency is for educational employment
purposes. Considering Ph. D. degree requires many hours for research while J
. D. requires none, obviously you can not extend the equivalency to
everywhere. You can get a J.D by passing all required courses while you have
to do and achieve much more beyond this to get a Ph. D.
3, When we talk about immigration, the reasons to eatablish the equivalency
don't stand any more - many oversea JDs don't requires 84-90 semester hours
beyond bachelor degree.
4, ABA admits JD is first professional degree and there are higher degrees.

【在 B*****G 的大作中提到】

: 你说的有些对的，有些值得讨论。不说别的，自己看看下面这个好了
: http://apps.americanbar.org/legaled/accreditation/Council%20Sta
: 当然，ABA的东西，自己的孩子自己疼。哈哈。
:
: proposal
: is
: or
: doctorate
: doctor"

s*n2013-04-17 07:04

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I might misunderstand the term "residency" in the proposal, but my
statements and conclusion are still right since to become physician, you
need get a MD first, then complete 3-5 years (depending on specialty)
residency training program, then pass the USMLE, then complete 0-3 years (
depending on specialty) fellowship training. In short, you need sigificant
time and efforts beyond first professional degree to be qualified under (K).
It is kind of no way that you can be qualified under (J) with a first
professional degree only.

professional

【在 B*****G 的大作中提到】

: 接自己的楼，你的帖子说
: “3, Also in the proposal, right after "(J) Aliens who have earned a
: doctorate
: degree", there is "(K) Alien physicians who have completed the foreign
: residency requirements". If (J) included JD and MD those first professional
: degress, why the lawmakers bother to include (K) which requires MD plus
: several years professional experiences and successful completion of
: residency.”
: 你没看明白这里说的意思。原文是Alien physicians who have completed 6 the
: foreign residency requirements under section 212(e)。

L*P2013-04-17 07:04

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A JD-only attorney will probably laugh if anyone calls him/her, Dr. Counsel.
..
USCIS will unlikely interpretate "doctorate degree" to include JD. In common
sense, doctorate degree means PhD or its equivilants, which do not include
JD. But who knows, someone in USCIS may read "doctorate degree" as literally
as LZ, include JD as a doctorate degree.

).

【在 s***n 的大作中提到】

: I might misunderstand the term "residency" in the proposal, but my
: statements and conclusion are still right since to become physician, you
: need get a MD first, then complete 3-5 years (depending on specialty)
: residency training program, then pass the USMLE, then complete 0-3 years (
: depending on specialty) fellowship training. In short, you need sigificant
: time and efforts beyond first professional degree to be qualified under (K).
: It is kind of no way that you can be qualified under (J) with a first
: professional degree only.
:
: professional

m*n2013-04-17 07:04

43 楼

sadly some people just lack common sense.

Counsel.
common
include
literally

【在 L**P 的大作中提到】

: A JD-only attorney will probably laugh if anyone calls him/her, Dr. Counsel.
: ..
: USCIS will unlikely interpretate "doctorate degree" to include JD. In common
: sense, doctorate degree means PhD or its equivilants, which do not include
: JD. But who knows, someone in USCIS may read "doctorate degree" as literally
: as LZ, include JD as a doctorate degree.
:
: ).

L*P2013-04-17 07:04

44 楼

that is OK, since everyone needs some introduction. let's all be nice. To be
honest, it is truely confusing. A doctorate (JD) degree is a level under a
master degree (LLM).
The JD Degree
The Juris Doctor (JD) degree is required to practice law in the United
States. It is considered the first degree in law. The JD degree is offered
by American Bar Association (ABA)-approved law schools, by law schools that
are not ABA-approved, and by many Canadian law schools.
The Master of Laws (LLM) degree is considered an advanced law certification
that has global credibility. LLM programs offered by US and Canadian law
schools are desirable for international students who wish to gain global
credentials and for JD graduates who desire advanced legal study.
•A first degree in law is required for admission into an LLM program.

【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】

: sadly some people just lack common sense.
:
: Counsel.
: common
: include
: literally

m*n2013-04-17 07:04

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yep you are absolutely right
I also explained pretty clearly in my previous post
发信人: maxmartin (Dean), 信区: EB23
标题: Re: Doctorate Degree
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Apr 17 15:55:21 2013, 美东)
wrong, not sure about medical field, But in law field, JD is only
professional training (almost) equivalent to another Bachelor. The first
graduate lever degree in law is LLM. So Bachelor(JD), Master(LLM), Ph.D(JSD)
is the natural sequence in the law field. But due to its practical nature
of the
subject, you can teach other people after you received JD. School often hire
famous lawyers to teach students.
Doctor of Juridical Science, Doctor of the Science of Law, (in Latin)
Scientiae Juridicae Doctor (sometimes also referred to as a Doctor of Laws),
abbreviated J.S.D. or S.J.D., is a research doctorate in law[1] and
equivalent to the Ph.D.[2][3] It is offered primarily in the United States,
where it originated, and in Canada. As a research doctorate, it follows
professional training in law (LL.B. or J.D.) and the first graduate-level
training in law (LL.M.), and is primarily aimed at training professors,
legal scientists, and other scholars in law
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Juridical_Science

be
a
that
certification

【在 L**P 的大作中提到】

: that is OK, since everyone needs some introduction. let's all be nice. To be
: honest, it is truely confusing. A doctorate (JD) degree is a level under a
: master degree (LLM).
: The JD Degree
: The Juris Doctor (JD) degree is required to practice law in the United
: States. It is considered the first degree in law. The JD degree is offered
: by American Bar Association (ABA)-approved law schools, by law schools that
: are not ABA-approved, and by many Canadian law schools.
: The Master of Laws (LLM) degree is considered an advanced law certification
: that has global credibility. LLM programs offered by US and Canadian law

L*h2013-04-17 07:04

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whats the point of this discusssion?
stop being so nerdy guys

【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】

: sadly some people just lack common sense.
:
: Counsel.
: common
: include
: literally